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Old 05-02-2006, 09:53 PM   #1
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Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

To me, it seems the song climaxes ("details of our ending" part) and hits a logical end by 9 minutes and 39 seconds in, and then it kicks back in and goes on for another useless minute and half. For some reason this really frustrates me every time I listen to it. When Maynard screams right after, it always pisses me off, and I don't really know why. I just feel they overextended an otherwise good song. Sure, a little part of that last 1.5 minutes is OK, but it starts to get really repetitive and I would like the song a lot more had they trimmed it a bit. Any thoughts?

If you need to get the gist of what I'm saying, listen from 7:20ish to 9:39. Maybe I'm alone on this.

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Old 05-02-2006, 10:03 PM   #2
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

if TOOL wanted the song to end at 9:39 they would have.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:06 PM   #3
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

Fair enough. But I can critique it if I want. That's why this forum is here, to discuss the song. And I think it fucking sucks that the song goes on too long, in my humble opinion.
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

Sadly, I don't agree. I think the stop-startishness of this fits perfectly with the song's mood and I don't find what comes after your suggested end to be repetitive or boring. In fact, when Adam comes in with that new riff and the band races toward that frenzied close, well, that just gives me chills.

We've all got our points of view though, so I'm not saying I'm right.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:09 PM   #5
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

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Fair enough. But I can critique it if I want. That's why this forum is here, to discuss the song. And I think it fucking sucks that the song goes on too long, in my humble opinion.
yea that is why the forum is here... but i just hate when people act like they know EXACTLY what the band should have done... like TOOL fuckin owes you something i mean shit the whole song is bad ass
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Old 05-03-2006, 02:18 PM   #6
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

9:40.
At nine forty is the best answer to:
Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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To me, it seems the song climaxes ("details of our ending" part) and hits a logical end by 9 minutes and 39 seconds in, and then it kicks back in and goes on for another useless minute and half. For some reason this really frustrates me every time I listen to it. When Maynard screams right after, it always pisses me off, and I don't really know why. I just feel they overextended an otherwise good song. Sure, a little part of that last 1.5 minutes is OK, but it starts to get really repetitive and I would like the song a lot more had they trimmed it a bit. Any thoughts?

If you need to get the gist of what I'm saying, listen from 7:20ish to 9:39. Maybe I'm alone on this.

I agree with you. The "Overwhelmed..." part is the climax of the song... it should have ended shortly after. I would of loved to see it go into a cool drum solo to end it. That would have rocked.

I feel the last minute and a half was kind of anti-climatic.

Still a great song, though.
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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I agree with you. The "Overwhelmed..." part is the climax of the song... it should have ended shortly after. I would of loved to see it go into a cool drum solo to end it. That would have rocked.

I feel the last minute and a half was kind of anti-climatic.

Still a great song, though.
If the song ended at 9:35, 9:39, whatever, it wouldn't be 11:11.
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Yeah dude, but imagine... instead of that screaming and repeating sh|t, imagine a minute and a half drum solo to close out the song? That would be awesome.

I mean, yeah, I'm sure the band had some reason to do what they did with the song. I realize it's their song, but I'm just saying, a drum solo there would have been cool.
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Old 05-04-2006, 03:27 PM   #10
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

The part around 9:39 with the screaming is too awesome... also the ending at 11:11 is great, so I guess the answer is no.
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

I love the ending, and the somewhat disjointed ending fits with the whole mind frame of the character. So, my answer is no.
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Yeah dude, but imagine... instead of that screaming and repeating sh|t, imagine a minute and a half drum solo to close out the song? That would be awesome.

I mean, yeah, I'm sure the band had some reason to do what they did with the song. I realize it's their song, but I'm just saying, a drum solo there would have been cool.
No. A minute and a half of drum solo would not be cool to end this song.
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

I gotta disagree, although I see where you are coming from.
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:44 PM   #14
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

I think it should end at 11:13...wait...it does

Oh noes!

Shit the bed!
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Old 05-04-2006, 11:53 PM   #15
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Re: Does anyone else think this song should end at 9:39?

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I think it should end at 11:13...wait...it does

Oh noes!

Shit the bed!
It ends at 11:11.

10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2) ends at 11:13.
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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To me, it seems the song climaxes ("details of our ending" part) and hits a logical end by 9 minutes and 39 seconds in, and then it kicks back in and goes on for another useless minute and half. For some reason this really frustrates me every time I listen to it. When Maynard screams right after, it always pisses me off, and I don't really know why. I just feel they overextended an otherwise good song. Sure, a little part of that last 1.5 minutes is OK, but it starts to get really repetitive and I would like the song a lot more had they trimmed it a bit. Any thoughts?

If you need to get the gist of what I'm saying, listen from 7:20ish to 9:39. Maybe I'm alone on this.
i actually went back and paid attention to the song at 9:39... i have no idea why you wouldn't want the rest of the track... there's two different breakdowns in the last 1.5 mins that are bad ass. id have to say that the last 1.5 mins are more than just "OK"
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Old 05-05-2006, 07:45 AM   #17
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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To me, it seems the song climaxes ("details of our ending" part) and hits a logical end by 9 minutes and 39 seconds in, and then it kicks back in and goes on for another useless minute and half. For some reason this really frustrates me every time I listen to it. When Maynard screams right after, it always pisses me off, and I don't really know why. I just feel they overextended an otherwise good song. Sure, a little part of that last 1.5 minutes is OK, but it starts to get really repetitive and I would like the song a lot more had they trimmed it a bit. Any thoughts?

If you need to get the gist of what I'm saying, listen from 7:20ish to 9:39. Maybe I'm alone on this.
I know people are relating songs on this CD to other songs way too much, but I really do think of this song as another kinda of third eye. The length I think is important to its performativity. In a way this song, like third eye, is about and stylisticly made to be like an acid trip. An important part about thos eexperiences i s their overwhelming nature and duration. I must admit that later in the song (I think about 10:30) the song changes style, but then comes right back in to it and then it seems like less of a interruption and more of the chaotic nature of the whole experience. As far as length in general, I have no problem with very long songs, it one thing tool is amazing at doing well too, with great creshendos and build ups and ease downs
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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To me, it seems the song climaxes ("details of our ending" part) and hits a logical end by 9 minutes and 39 seconds in, and then it kicks back in and goes on for another useless minute and half. For some reason this really frustrates me every time I listen to it. When Maynard screams right after, it always pisses me off, and I don't really know why. I just feel they overextended an otherwise good song. Sure, a little part of that last 1.5 minutes is OK, but it starts to get really repetitive and I would like the song a lot more had they trimmed it a bit. Any thoughts?

If you need to get the gist of what I'm saying, listen from 7:20ish to 9:39. Maybe I'm alone on this.
Just goes to show that if anyone but TOOL were TOOL, TOOL would suck.
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Re: Does anyone else this song should end at 9:39?

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I agree with you. The "Overwhelmed..." part is the climax of the song... it should have ended shortly after. I would of loved to see it go into a cool drum solo to end it. That would have rocked.

I feel the last minute and a half was kind of anti-climatic.

Still a great song, though.

Why should something end right after the climax?

You ever trip?
It doesn't end right after you peak, that's for damn sure.

I'd say this is one of the more perfect TOOL songs ever recorded.
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