Lateralus = Mushrooms

[alexboche]

For a long time, I didn't like tool. In fact, I even DISLIKED tool to a great degree. I thought they were just a heavy band, and according to many of their idiot fans, they are. I knew several idiots who liked tool simply because they were heavy, so it ruined it for me. Even after I met cool people who liked tool for a good reason, i still couldn't grasp it.

However, I ate mushrooms 6 times over about a 4 month period last year and some this year, and I was awakened. Tool suddenly moved me almost to tears. I remember reading somewhere on this site (the faq,perhaps?) that maynard used to do a lot of mushrooms but now does not because he can reach that state through meditation. I can see exactly how that works. Ever since I ate them, I have had a deeper connection to rhythm, the earth and the way my own mind works. I can more easily reach the vast, hidden corners of my mind and push my own evolution (my big thing is playing the guitar, which I have VASTLY improved on since my experiences) higher and higher.

I believe what maynard is referring to in this song is the deep connection to all life, the earth, ourselves and the need to reach out to all possibilities and create our own evolution because we CAN.

I am not advocating using mushrooms, nor am I saying that mushrooms alone provide this wisdom, but rather that they showed me (and my assumption is maynard as well) that life is not confined to one way of thinking, one way of doing, but that we can sense and feel ANYTHING WE WANT. The mushrooms could not make me experience anything I was not already capable of experiencing on my own.

Meditate on this.

[mne pohuy]

The reason you feel like that is because when you trip on mushrooms, it causes cells in your brain to "open up" per say and that gives you the "in touch with nature/music" feeling. However, those cells never really "close" all the way back up. So all the things you are feeling are probably residue of the trips.

[The Fugue]

I know what you mean.I too had recently my first experience
with mushrooms.It was incredible!Beautiful trips!Sometimes drugs
really help to understand things better,deeper.I find mushrooms
to be ideal for those purposes!

[minusrestraint]

mushrooms have made a lot of things clearer for me. i know myself a lot better than i ever have. and knowing yourself, and pushing yourself beyond your personal boundaries is all it takes to evolve. but, i always have a thought when i trip. what if one day, i journey too far? could i get lost? the things ive found within myself sometimes are so mesmerizing, and the emotions so intense that i never want it to end. but is there a limit to the mind's endurance? there has to be some shock that once the trip ends, the person who began it is dead and someone new is in his place. i also feel reborn coming out of a trip, like i have all the answers and a few of the universe.

[alexboche]

Originally posted by mne pohuy
The reason you feel like that is because when you trip on mushrooms, it causes cells in your brain to "open up" per say and that gives you the "in touch with nature/music" feeling. However, those cells never really "close" all the way back up. So all the things you are feeling are probably residue of the trips.

Actually, this is quite "fuzzy" science you are using here. Cells can't "open up" as you claim, nor do they "close". But in any case, the more perspectives from which you view the world, the more you know about it.

[chewy]

Originally posted by alexboche
Actually, this is quite "fuzzy" science you are using here. Cells can't "open up" as you claim, nor do they "close". But in any case, the more perspectives from which you view the world, the more you know about it. Well played my man. That's exactly it. Taking mushrooms allows you to see the world in a way you neer have been able to before. This can be exciting, humbling or terrifying, depending on a lot of things. The fact that you can see the world in a way which you might not normally opens your eyes to a lot of different perspectives. Never will you hear of a person on mushrooms grabbing something completely out of the dark or learning something completely new, they all come back and say that they see the same things that they used to, only in a completely different way now. Pretty amazing stuff.

[Stinkarm]

Originally posted by minusrestraint
mushrooms have made a lot of things clearer for me. i know myself a lot better than i ever have. and knowing yourself, and pushing yourself beyond your personal boundaries is all it takes to evolve. but, i always have a thought when i trip. what if one day, i journey too far? could i get lost? the things ive found within myself sometimes are so mesmerizing, and the emotions so intense that i never want it to end. but is there a limit to the mind's endurance? there has to be some shock that once the trip ends, the person who began it is dead and someone new is in his place. i also feel reborn coming out of a trip, like i have all the answers and a few of the universe.

I think ive pushed my limit, i've been struggling just to feel the things i used to feel.

[megadan]

i agree with alexboche about the fuzzy logic - let's be clear about this sort of thing.

Psilocybin, or 3-[2-(Dimethylamino)ethyl]-1H-indol-4-ol dihydrogen phosphate ester, is a chemical found in musrooms such as the liberty head. When mushrooms are taken orally, the active ingrediant, psilocybin, is absorbed into the blood stream through the stomach, or if held in the mouth, through the mucous membranes in the mouth. It flows to the brain, where it interacts with the most complex computer known to man...

and my research ends there. Lot's of info on how it's taken, why it's taken, how long it lasts, how it's absorbed, it's chemical forumlas and LD50 and scientific names and standard dosages.

But what happens when it gets there? The most important part. Brain cells do not "open up", as alexboche said.
The problem of course, is the truth, as usual. The truth is that the halicinations are a result of our body attempting to fight off a poison, just like when we're sick and have a fever. Obviously the side effects of this can be positive. But when it cmoes down to it, it's our immune systems that are the source of these visions and ideas... mushrooms merly trigger the insticts our bodys all ready contain... there is no truth in the chemicals, the are merly a happy coicidence, whilst our bodys attempt to fight the poisen we injest, we fall into a state of hallicunations. and since we're all high when it happens, who's to say we haven't merly conviced ourselves that we've learned the truth?

(note i'm an intelligent open minded and generally pro-drug person, i just like to play devils advocate)

[flipmojo]

Answer: Because the person is not sober. They are not under the same consciousness that is educated, skeptical, and cynical.

You used the word "truth" when you should have used "fact". They are very different things. Fact is physical proof, while Truth is spiritual insight, a holy understanding.

When I took mushrooms, I did it by myself. I laid on the floor in my office and... existed. I listened to my breathing, juices moving inside my GI tract, my heartbeat, etc. My 2 dogs were huddled around me sleeping. I was listening to various CD's, including Tool. There was this light feeling that came over me and I felt like I couldn't get close enough to the earth (I was laying on the ground and I felt like part of the ground). Towards the end of the night, I was laying in the fetal position listening to Tool, with my eyes closed. Thats when I got a new appreciation for Alex Grey's artwork. The CEV (closed-eye visuals) were very similar to his work. The sounds from Tool would grow and then subside like they were bending and growing in size. At this point, my wife woke up to check on me. She came in the office and touched my leg. When she touched me, I jolted and semi-yelled "Ahh!". I did that because I was so far away, so when she touched me it zapped me back to the room. I opened my eyes and began laughing. She too began laughing and asked if she had scared me. I told her yes but only because I had forgotten about my body. After that, I relaxed again, continued listening to music and eventually fell asleep.

The thing I took with me is a new connection to my mortal body. Most importantly, the connection to my senses. I was able to use my senses in a new way, and it showed me how silly we can be when perceptions are developed solely from our 5 senses.

[akinoyugure]

Answer: Because the person is not sober. They are not under the same consciousness that is educated, skeptical, and cynical.

You used the word "truth" when you should have used "fact". They are very different things. Fact is physical proof, while Truth is spiritual insight, a holy understanding.

The thing I took with me is a new connection to my mortal body. Most importantly, the connection to my senses. I was able to use my senses in a new way, and it showed me how silly we can be when perceptions are developed solely from our 5 senses. [/QUOTE]

What I think is interesting about "Truth" is that education has done much to make it questionable. Agreed, once you are on your substance you lose your education/skepticism. You feel the Truth. Religious zealots feel this same Truth. Many, if not all of these are lacking in the education/skepticism Dept. If religion can convince people of some absurd "Truth", why can't a drug do the same? Both are limiting skepticism and education, as you put it.


By the way, he was ok with his words. The word "truth" is a conformity to fact or actuality. As far as I know, what he said is both truth and fact - The hallucinations are caused by chemicals. The word "Truth" as you put it, is "That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence."

[kill_me]

As I'm sure everyone knows by now that acid is quite dangerous in its long term effects. However, seeing as how this subject seems to be on the whole drugs/music thing I've decided to voice my humble opinions.. after all, that's what this is for.. The very first time I tried acid, I continually listened to tool all the albums from opiate to lateralus and even some soundtracks with tool on it.. I also listened to a bit of nine inch nails, but this is a tool page so I'll stay on subject. I have been aware that acid can take you to other worlds and other conciousnesses.. (at least, it has for me) but i've never had an experience like I did that night. I've known quite a few people (stupid people.. but people nonetheless) that just do acid to get high.. for me, its always been a more spiritual experience.. The whole night, I wrote in a book of mine and for some wierd reason (most likely because I was on a psychoactive) the music made me extremely motivated and gave me the inspiration I always wanted.. I don't recommend acid.. but I do encourage those of you that want an intellectual high to try it..

thats all I've got for now

[Jizzlobber]

Can anyone please tell me the difference between the feeling of tripping on pot than tripping on mushrooms? I’ve smoke some pot to tool before and felt that listening tool had enhance however I really don’t want to get into drugs but I always like to know what it feels like.
Can anyone give me some in site?

And just for the record what is your favourite Tool song to trip to. Schism is mine and so as the patient. I haven’t heard Aenima tripped but again as I said I don’t want to get into drugs, I can like and listen to tool sober.

[sinthasis]

While pot can plunge you into a mental state of awareness(or cause you to completely lose yourself in a song), shrooms enhances the trip visually. The things you are thinking may appear before you as a reality for that moment. Depending on your dosage, you could either feel yourself slowly falling into the spiral of Lateralus, or, on a less peaceful trip, actually see and feel the "bright and blue and shimmerin'" face of your third eye. If you can get these effects without the use of drugs, more power to you. But, if you aren't ready, don't take the risk.

[flipmojo]

What I think is interesting about "Truth" is that education has done much to make it questionable. Many, if not all of these are lacking in the education/skepticism Dept. If religion can convince people of some absurd "Truth", why can't a drug do the same? Both are limiting skepticism and education, as you put it.

By the way, he was ok with his words. The word "truth" is a conformity to fact or actuality. As far as I know, what he said is both truth and fact - The hallucinations are caused by chemicals. The word "Truth" as you put it, is "That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence." [/B][/QUOTE]

This reply is for akino...

Your first sentence says it all. Education has done much to make EVERYTHING questionable. It gives us a certain arrogance. It makes us feel powerful. What is our education really? It is man's reality, of written and verbal communication, that has been recorded over years and years. It is also based in the physical world.

Truth has no definition. It is felt spiritually. You can only discuss truth in its simplest form. Once you start to elaborate, you begin to drain truth of its energy and it becomes man's manipulated, lifeless answer.

The question you had, about religion and drugs being capable of convincing people, was a good one. The answer lies in our emotions. Consciousness is lost in thoughts and the acting on of emotions, unless you understand the effects they have on your consciousness. You become convinced of something when you CHOOSE to surrender to it. If you are aware of your emotions and thoughts then you know why you chose to be convinced. This is all something that happens to all human beings. But not all people can understand or realize these events when they take place. When I took mushrooms, I took the same consciousness/same person into the drug. I was aware of the different feelings and thoughts I was having. Therefore, I will not be convinced of anything from that experience unless I choose to. It was just a new perspective for me. An alteration of my senses that I had never experienced before.

Truth is not defined. Open your heart and you will find truth.

[tiki_god7]

alright I'm new here, I tried posting a follow up in this thread, accidently started my own, so yeah that shrooms thread is supposed to be in here, sorry....

[akinoyugure]

Reply to Flipmojo
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Truth is not defined. Open your heart and you will find truth.
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I disagree. My first sentence does not say it all. In fact, education has done much to make some things questionable and some other things appear more valid. Floods, earthquakes, volcanoes. All of these have been proven through education to be a result of physical forces, not processes of divine intervention. So, keep in mind that these forces originally were considered to be part of some greater "Truth".
I think education has done some good things for us, I really do. If you don't think education has done some good things for us, I think you should take all your words, all your thoughts, all your books and burn them. You know why? The people who have said and written those things that have enhanced your lives throughout the years...Well anyway. My point is that historically what men have considered the "Truth" has been disproven time and time again. Look at religion as an example.

I believe there is a distinction between feeling "emotion" and what you call the "Truth". Accepting some "Truth" or believing you know the ultimate meaning of reality is a bit extreme. However, feeling emotion is just being human. Knowing yourself, and knowing other people is something that may be hard to do because of our culture. If mushrooms help you to come into contact with a lost part of yourself, then more power to them. However, I don't think any truth is found intrinsically with them, and if there is truth it is not necessarily an objective one. If you speak of a subjective truth, a self-actualization, then I can see what you mean. I am always open to seeing new parts of myself.

The word "Truth"is too vague. I prefer to say "find myself", or find whatever it is I am seeking. If Truth is subjective then that makes sense to say. If Truth is objective then I need some evidence to accept that Truth anyway. After all, look how many objective Truths have been proven unlikely.

Anyway, My goal is to search for happiness, to understand myself, understand other people, understand the Universe (if I get lucky).. If that is what you are saying, then I agree 100%.

-at autumn dusk

[flipmojo]

I dont think you understand where I am coming from.

Its not something physical so I cannot give you the evidence you are requesting. A volcano doesn't errupt just because we know how/why a volcano errupts. You seem very "book smart" and knowledgable, so I would suggest you think on that last sentence until you get tired, and then feel on it. Maybe that would help you see where I am coming from??

One last thing, I didn't say I got some kind of enlightenment from mushrroms. It was just a way for me to see how the world appeared, when my senses were meshing together, and the different emotions that ran through me, as a result of the intoxication. Anyway, it was good talking. Best Wishes.

-flip

[flipmojo]

Thanks again akino. I believe a few of my own questions were answered during our exchange.

[Mister]

well theres a lot of talk here about trips and mushrooms.....and a bit of lively debate too about other things besides. ive taken acid before and it can trigger all sorts of things and sometimes if you are with friends you can really lock minds and be exactly on the same wavelength. and its great but.....i dunno, one can only do it for so long, and i think some people tend to over-emphasise the whole subjective experience aspect, you know....cause if you just take acid and experience things and you're in your room well then you may well be mistaking an introspection journey for some sort of revelatory experience. theres a scene in terence malick's the thin red line where the narrator makes an observation: "....everyone looking for salvation by themselves". we might do well to keep that in mind.........

[holy reality]

about shrooms.... what exactly are the kind you're supposed to take? I hear (at least from my parents) that certain kinds are poisonous.....

Like I said somewhere else, I'm interested in all this tripping stuff. I don't want to do something that is potentially dangerous though, or has long term side effects. Shrooms seem like a good option since they are part of nature and I doubt anything they have in them would stay in my system for ages.

The problem is I can't really research this as my dad's computer logs all the sites visited through our network, and he might get suspicious...... so if anyone has any information they could post, like where to get them, what kind of dosages etc. it would be appreciated.

[Psilo]

I posted this on another couple messageboards when the mushroom topic came up. I've always been very interested in them. Maybe some info will be helpful to those who are looking to experience a new reality:

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I remember the first time I did shrooms. My friend called me up in the morning and asked me if i wanted to do em and my heart was instantly going crazy. This was in 10th grade btw, near the middle/end of the school year. So I get up to his house and there are like 4 other friends who had already eaten theirs... i took my half eighth and chomped em down. To this day I still enjoy the taste of raw mushrooms (only Psilocybin though, nevermind those store bought ones).

The first thing youll notice is a mysterious "energy" heading towards your brain. Itll take 20-40 minutes to first feel these effects. Its like theres a tube from your stomach to your brain and theres a special power pushing "Energy" into your head. I recommend sitting around at a cool place during this time in the trip. Ill explain why in a bit.

After 45 mins or so, you will usually be officially "shrooming". One time it took me 15 mins to reach this point, and one time it took almost 90 mins. It all depends on a few factors, but it doesnt matter - you're gonna get to that point anyway right?

You wont ever see pink elephants. You wont ever see fat woman charging at you in a swirl of colors. All those myths about "realistic" visuals are bullshit. Visually, what you MAY see, is bright colors, items around you looking like mushrooms, objects seeming alive (I once saw a tree that had a face and he was trying to tell me something.). You might close your eyes and see swirling psychadelic patterns, which is where fractal/hippy art comes from anyway. Well, both shrooms and acid led to that.

The whole trip is mental. Your brain will be in its own world and the outside world is just a small part of life. You will realize how small you are in the huge crazy world, and you will understand the social ways of the world.

You might "feel" colors. Example: I was shrooming at my high school Grad Night with my friend. There was a red room and a blue room right next to each other. We stepped into the blue room from the outside and instantly everything became cold and dark. I literally felt the color of blue flow into my skin, molding me into the surroundings around me. I then walked into the next room which was red. It became hot and fiery and everything was so vibrant. The people moving around me were all on a mission to "get to their destination" and I realized the movement would never stop. People will always be walking towards a goal, then walking back, and other people will follow. Its hard to explain, but in the end you just think "why does anyone move at all?".

But nothing I just explained is "uncomfortable". Bad shroom trips are much harder to get than bad Acid trips. But I guess there are some parts of the duration of the trip where stuff feels fucking weird - weirder than usual that is.



Dont do them *too* much. Even I know that they have a physical effect on the brain. More than 4-5 times a year is probably not good.. 5 is my limit, preferably 4.


Alright, im not gonna get into the scientifical aspects on what "exactly" they do to your brain, but in general, check this out: They will have no harmful effects on you at all if you do them once. Or twice. Or 10 times. The only people I've seen get fucked up lives from shrooms are the hippies who did them every day/every week, back in the 60's 70's. Their brains are a lil slow :).

The next morning you will wake up refreshed, and you will feel like you are more wise. I love the feeling of waking up after a day of tripping.

Take 1/2 an eighth, To, A full eighth, your first time. No more than 1/8. Even after numerous times, I still think the best and most enjoyable trip is a little less than one full eighth. It makes you think instead of sending you to Mars, lol!


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Any more questions feel free to ask, it seems tons of people on these boards know what theyre talking about... obviously :)

[EuphoricBlue]

Im so glad someone posted that before I had too. I could almost swear Lateralus was about the perspective obtained by mushrooms. Acid is cool and all but no spirituallity. Mushrooms are God's flesh/bread. To listen to TooL on any kind of medium is to understand where Maynard is really coming from. I cant imagine why even though he can meditate why he wouldn't still do them. He better blaze it...lol
Listen to the slow part on Lateralus. To "feel" any of those things he talking about is to experience the vast world of the brain we were given taken apart by the mushroom and confronting yourself. Evolution through mushrooms my friend. Terrance McKenna ------------ Nuf Said


Blue

[twix elbert]

nice. i really like this thread. a while back when i was thinking about the true inspiration of lateralus i was completely convinced that it was about DMT, a tryptamine just like shrooms, but sorta shamed myself out thinking this way(a long boring story). my opinion sways but i think the song does grasp elements of psychedelics btw if you don't know much about DMT i recommend the book DMT: the spirit molecule, it'll blow your mind.

anyways.... (pardon me if this has been mentioned in other posts)
at the start of the track you get a feeling as though he's trudging through life. simple, narrow-sighted, head down. then as he sees more colours, he becomes more alive. the energy of the music expresses this

"black then white are all i see..." i thinkis to do with limited awareness of thiings, no doubt this is mentioned in other threads, then more colours come, thus a greater awareness. i don't think this has to do with tripping, more to do with growing up, changing and leanring more.

"As below, so above and beyond, I imaginedrawn beyond the lines of reason.Push the envelope. Watch it bend"

you can take it as a metaphor and also take it literally. tripping on any substance, is beyond reason, in that it's a new world that doesn't seem to fit into our paradigm of what is and isn't the true nature of things. tripping takes things right to their limits (push the envelope) then it takes them even further (watch it bend)-- the only limitation on things is our own imgination, our own locked minds. it's a realisation about the beauty of existence that is beyond our understanding, but doesn't have to be induced by entheogens..

".......Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines."

lateralus is also about "feeling the moment" -- maynard thinks/thought too much, i think we can all identify with this, but he also says he needs to understand the way things are so he can appreciate his daily experiences more. this is a crude explanation...it's like... why should we exist, why should we bother experiencing things at all? for what reason should i be enjoying this? it's one thing to see a flower and say it's pretty, it's another to look into a grain of sand and see the universe.

maynard wants a blanace between the two: to experience things but also be aware eof the divine nature of the thing he's experiencing --- "swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human."

the times i;ve wept at the beauty of this song during the slow bit.... i love it
trippy music throughout, then the final bit for some reason juust makes be feel as though it refers to tripping, especially on DMT. "with my feet upon the ground" - i'm firmly grounded with reality, and this is THE WAY IT IS

"I lose myself between the sounds " - sounds = vibrations = energy. DMT anecdote:

"suddenly i began to hear a loud, moderately high-pitched carrier wave. immediately, the room started vibrating in sympathy. the pattern on the wall hangings oscillated madly in time to the buzzing that overlaid the carrier wave's fundamental tone."

"and open wide to suck it in" - smoking DMT? or maybe just breathing in the essence of our existence.

but then again, maybe i'm looking at things too hard. fantastic song anyway.

Originally posted by EuphoricBlue
I cant imagine why even though he can meditate why he wouldn't still do them. He better blaze it...lol
Listen to the slow part on Lateralus. To "feel" any of those things he talking about is to experience the vast world of the brain we were given taken apart by the mushroom and confronting yourself. Evolution through mushrooms my friend. Terrance McKenna ------------ Nuf Said


Blue


awesome, another mckenna follower. "evolution through mushrooms" indeed. for people who don't know of him, mckenna is pro mushrooms because it dissolves the ego so you no longer identify yourself as being separate from the rest of the universe but consider youself as part of the whole, making you less of a selifish bastard, respect Mother Nature etc. ie separation is an illusion. from my shroom trips, i've experienced this and agree.

that being said, meditation can help you attain the same mystical states that shrooms/psychedelics offer and much more. i don't meditate much so i'm obviously talking out of my ass but a funny story to show the similarities is when a colleague of timothy leary went to the himalayas to give monks real high doses of acid to gauge experiences... one said it was good but not as good as meditation, the other said it just gave him a headache. later on, he gave a 60+ y.o. monk over 900mcg (most trips these days are 50-200mcg) of acid and nothing happened. not a giggle, no confusion, no nothing, which convinced him enough to stop taking acid, change his name to Ram Dass and convert to mysticism.

i've gone off topic but yes, i think there's a point where you've leanred enough from drugs that you no longer need them for the rest of your journey. this is the deciding factor when it comes to whether or not you're taking them just to get high or learn something... on the other hand also believe in needing to be "reminded" of the lessons learnt from drugs.


+ one more thing, about the discussion of truth.
"we never see things as they truly are, we see things as we are" - some wise dude. i think the only certain truth that mushrooms show you is reality is infinite, beautiful and far beyond our comprehension. for the scientific minds a good book about reality based on evidence from quantum physics, parapsychology, neuroscience, religion, drugs... etc is The Holographic Universe.

[tiki_god7]

do any of you think that when under the influence of mushrooms that you are using a larger amount of your brain? or different parts that we're not used to normally using? I've wondered this a lot and tried finding more info about it but it seems that nobody really knows much about our brain or exactly what psychedelics do to induce that state of thinking

[JFREDSKINS]

I do not use Mushrooms or any other drugs for that matter. But listening to Tool makes me feel high as a kite.

[Thunderbutt]

You nailed it JFRED, the music can take you to those places. No side effects to boot!!

[Cheesegreater]

Wow. Such a great thread. I wish a lot of the guys who were posting five years ago could still post.

I've had some very profound experiences on shrooms. It's unfortunate a lot of people regard it as a 'party drug.' When you are ready to trip, be not afraid to take the journey. Shrooms can open up a lot of new perspectives. Everyone's trip is always different, but I will say that shrooms have the potential to enlighten you to whatever you are ready for. One man's "Truth" may not be the same for another. The experience is all very subjective, and "Truth" is really relative in it's nature. I think most of us that have tripped will agree it's not so much the message or epiphanies we have, more so it's the journey you take while tripping.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Wow. Such a great thread. I wish a lot of the guys who were posting five years ago could still post.

I've had some very profound experiences on shrooms. It's unfortunate a lot of people regard it as a 'party drug.' When you are ready to trip, be not afraid to take the journey. Shrooms can open up a lot of new perspectives. Everyone's trip is always different, but I will say that shrooms have the potential to enlighten you to whatever you are ready for. One man's "Truth" may not be the same for another. The experience is all very subjective, and "Truth" is really relative in it's nature. I think most of us that have tripped will agree it's not so much the message or epiphanies we have, more so it's the journey you take while tripping.

All hail the prophet Cheese

[K4E2V0]

not that i need drugs to appreciate tools music or any other bands stuff,but ill have to say that drugs can enhance ones listening pleasure.in terms of a NATURAL substance,mushrooms would be the best choice for those looking to stay away from man made narcotics.my personal drug of choice for re-visiting my fav bands is exstacy.for me it goes well with all genres of music,for too long its had the stigma of only being a soother sucking/glowstick twirling raver drug.for anyone looking to take any substance for the first time,do some research,try to find a reliable source[a reputable dealer],NEVER trip alone,and everything in moderation.

[slamminsalmon]

this thread made me lol

[johnnyq 451]

I've always been on the fence with drugs. The only drugs I would ever think about taking were marijuana, mushrooms or LSD. Those three seem to be the ones that give you an in intelligent high. But I'm worried because I see all the people who do drugs at my school (I'm only 15) and I think to myself, " Am I really going to turn out this way?" I don't want to be one of those braindead morons who can't even spell half of the words they speak. Also I'm afraid it would interfere with school. I want to make good grades to get a college scholarship to further educate myself because our family can't afford. Also I'm worried about the risk of addiction. I know most people say pot isn't but I'm not sure. Any advice or help?

[ufopancakes]

I'm convinced that there is something about hallucinogenics that is other worldly, or other-dimensional. I'm not the only one who has tripped and thought "holy fuck, there is so much more to life then I've ever seen." It seems that these kinds of drugs have led alot of people back to the true understanding that we are all one, and that we are percieving a very small portion of the whole of reality.

One hallucination that was recurrent in my shroom trips was geometry. I would see various geometrical patterns everywhere. I find that very interesting that it led me down a path to learn what these symbols actually mean, and how they are a blueprint for the universe, and represent the interconnectedness of life and all that springs out of it.

[ufopancakes]

I've always been on the fence with drugs. The only drugs I would ever think about taking were marijuana, mushrooms or LSD. Those three seem to be the ones that give you an in intelligent high. But I'm worried because I see all the people who do drugs at my school (I'm only 15) and I think to myself, " Am I really going to turn out this way?" I don't want to be one of those braindead morons who can't even spell half of the words they speak. Also I'm afraid it would interfere with school. I want to make good grades to get a college scholarship to further educate myself because our family can't afford. Also I'm worried about the risk of addiction. I know most people say pot isn't but I'm not sure. Any advice or help?

First of all, it is extremely important to educate yourself about any drug that you take. Mushrooms can give a person a very eye-opening, spiritually enlightening experience. But it can also take a person to the worst depths of hell imaginable. Usually, the negitive attributes of these drugs are associated with people who jump into it without having any idea what they are in for. Its all in your surroundings, your mindset, and your disposition to mental illness. Pot can make a person very creative, but it can also make person very lazy if you let it.

Also it is important to understand that too much of ANY drug will make you feel like shit. You smoke too many cigarrettes... you'll feel like shit. You drink too much alcohol, God, you will feel like shit. You eat too much acid... you will make a memorable trip to fucking HELL. Just be careful, and responsible with whatever you do.

Don't be in a rush to experiment. Those days will come. If you want to open your eyes in different ways, pick up a book... or research on the web. I recommend You-tubing "Sacred Geometry" for a lot of eye opening philosophies on the true laws of nature.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I've always been on the fence with drugs. The only drugs I would ever think about taking were marijuana, mushrooms or LSD. Those three seem to be the ones that give you an in intelligent high. But I'm worried because I see all the people who do drugs at my school (I'm only 15) and I think to myself, " Am I really going to turn out this way?" I don't want to be one of those braindead morons who can't even spell half of the words they speak. Also I'm afraid it would interfere with school. I want to make good grades to get a college scholarship to further educate myself because our family can't afford. Also I'm worried about the risk of addiction. I know most people say pot isn't but I'm not sure. Any advice or help?

Ignore Noose, he has this almighty complex all in his petty brain. Some real advice for ya' is probably not to do them at all but I won't be a hyopcrite and I will say that none of the 3 are addictive...if anything, marijuana for some people very slightly but nothing like where you hear of getting hooked on. However, I must disagree about weed giving you an "intelligent high" it'll usually just make you want to sit on your ass and watch Tv and play a game and eat a lot. It's cool but if you're truly looking for an experience LSD, shrooms or mescaline are the way to go. It's a feeling that can be somewhat scary at first if you don't just relax and go with the flow. But it is almost beyond comprehension what it can do for you and the way it changes everything and the way you perceive things. If you're going to try it, it is practically necessary to do with at least one friend and in a cool chill environment like out in the woods or in your own home. I tend to prefer outside as it feels much more natural and earthy. Some people can go just about anywhere tripping and be around a ton of people but I would highly recommend you don't especially on your first time until you've familiarized yourself with the experience. But it can be well worth it. The most important thing is not to fight the feeling and to keep in mind that eventually you WILL return to earth.

DISCLAIMER***IF YOU HAVE DEPRESSION ISSUES, MENTAL ISSUES, ANGER PROBLEMS OR ARE IN ANY WAY UNSTABLE....DO NOT TAKE ANY FORM OF HALLUCINOGENS - IT COULD GO VERY BADLY

[johnnyq 451]

Ignore Noose, he has this almighty complex all in his petty brain. Some real advice for ya' is probably not to do them at all but I won't be a hyopcrite and I will say that none of the 3 are addictive...if anything, marijuana for some people very slightly but nothing like where you hear of getting hooked on. However, I must disagree about weed giving you an "intelligent high" it'll usually just make you want to sit on your ass and watch Tv and play a game and eat a lot. It's cool but if you're truly looking for an experience LSD, shrooms or mescaline are the way to go. It's a feeling that can be somewhat scary at first if you don't just relax and go with the flow. But it is almost beyond comprehension what it can do for you and the way it changes everything and the way you perceive things. If you're going to try it, it is practically necessary to do with at least one friend and in a cool chill environment like out in the woods or in your own home. I tend to prefer outside as it feels much more natural and earthy. Some people can go just about anywhere tripping and be around a ton of people but I would highly recommend you don't especially on your first time until you've familiarized yourself with the experience. But it can be well worth it. The most important thing is not to fight the feeling and to keep in mind that eventually you WILL return to earth.

DISCLAIMER***IF YOU HAVE DEPRESSION ISSUES, MENTAL ISSUES, ANGER PROBLEMS OR ARE IN ANY WAY UNSTABLE....DO NOT TAKE ANY FORM OF HALLUCINOGENS - IT COULD GO VERY BADLY
Well I know my brother smoked pot for a few months then quit, you could call him "lazy" (he's 22 and still hasn't had a job). As for the depression and anger I've had those emotions recently but I've always managed to control them and never let them make me do something stupid. If I did do any of the drugs I'd get one of my friends to just sorta "watch" over me, make sure I don't do anything stupid and I'd definitely take out anything that could I could hurt myself with. I plan to do what Maynard did and try to reach that same state through meditation and other techniques not involving drugs. I've already practiced meditation and lucid dreaming and managed to reach a relaxed state but nothing more so far. Im also planning to have Tool playing in the background especially Lateralus and 10.000 days and just laying down and let the drug take me wherever it wants to. Thanks for the help.

[ufopancakes]

Ignore Noose, he has this almighty complex all in his petty brain. Some real advice for ya' is probably not to do them at all but I won't be a hyopcrite and I will say that none of the 3 are addictive...if anything, marijuana for some people very slightly but nothing like where you hear of getting hooked on. However, I must disagree about weed giving you an "intelligent high" it'll usually just make you want to sit on your ass and watch Tv and play a game and eat a lot. It's cool but if you're truly looking for an experience LSD, shrooms or mescaline are the way to go. It's a feeling that can be somewhat scary at first if you don't just relax and go with the flow. But it is almost beyond comprehension what it can do for you and the way it changes everything and the way you perceive things. If you're going to try it, it is practically necessary to do with at least one friend and in a cool chill environment like out in the woods or in your own home. I tend to prefer outside as it feels much more natural and earthy. Some people can go just about anywhere tripping and be around a ton of people but I would highly recommend you don't especially on your first time until you've familiarized yourself with the experience. But it can be well worth it. The most important thing is not to fight the feeling and to keep in mind that eventually you WILL return to earth.

DISCLAIMER***IF YOU HAVE DEPRESSION ISSUES, MENTAL ISSUES, ANGER PROBLEMS OR ARE IN ANY WAY UNSTABLE....DO NOT TAKE ANY FORM OF HALLUCINOGENS - IT COULD GO VERY BADLY

You said ignore me, yet you just repeated everything I just said. Get the fuck off your soap box already. Get laid or something.

[ufopancakes]

Well I know my brother smoked pot for a few months then quit, you could call him "lazy" (he's 22 and still hasn't had a job). As for the depression and anger I've had those emotions recently but I've always managed to control them and never let them make me do something stupid. If I did do any of the drugs I'd get one of my friends to just sorta "watch" over me, make sure I don't do anything stupid and I'd definitely take out anything that could I could hurt myself with. I plan to do what Maynard did and try to reach that same state through meditation and other techniques not involving drugs. I've already practiced meditation and lucid dreaming and managed to reach a relaxed state but nothing more so far. Im also planning to have Tool playing in the background especially Lateralus and 10.000 days and just laying down and let the drug take me wherever it wants to. Thanks for the help.

One problem that people often have that hasn't really been discussed yet, is that people tend to forget that a drug is effecting them. You start thinking that this is the way you are now, and you're always going to be like this. You might find yourself reassuring yourself that it is only a drug effecting you.

For every good trip that I've had, I always set up my surroundings first. For example, if there was anything creative I wanted to do (Play guitar, draw, paint) I would have everything neatly set up and ready to go... so that I don't have to handle the complexities of plugging in a guitar while experiencing the mentality of a 3 year old.

There was one time I was tripping so hard that I couldn't figure out how to get my amp to turn down. I turned all the knobs down and it was still loud as fuck. I also found myself getting very frustrated with my surroundings if it was messy and disorganized (but thats just me).

I also recommend that you watch every Tool video there is (DVD quality of course).

Lets see, is there anything else...

oh yeah! Ice cream. Pick up a shitload of ice cream.

[johnnyq 451]

One problem that people often have that hasn't really been discussed yet, is that people tend to forget that a drug is effecting them. You start thinking that this is the way you are now, and you're always going to be like this. You might find yourself reassuring yourself that it is only a drug effecting you.

For every good trip that I've had, I always set up my surroundings first. For example, if there was anything creative I wanted to do (Play guitar, draw, paint) I would have everything neatly set up and ready to go... so that I don't have to handle the complexities of plugging in a guitar while experiencing the mentality of a 3 year old.

There was one time I was tripping so hard that I couldn't figure out how to get my amp to turn down. I turned all the knobs down and it was still loud as fuck. I also found myself getting very frustrated with my surroundings if it was messy and disorganized (but thats just me).

I also recommend that you watch every Tool video there is (DVD quality of course).

Lets see, is there anything else...

oh yeah! Ice cream. Pick up a shitload of ice cream.
Well the first thing I plan on doing is listening to Disposition, Intension, and Lateralus. I said to myself if I ever started drugs that I would first listen to those three songs. They've always hit me the hardest and sometimes when I close my eyes I can see blurs moving to the music. As for the videos, I only have Vicarious on dvd and the rest are recorded from youtube on my computer and aren't as good of quality.

[ufopancakes]

Well the first thing I plan on doing is listening to Disposition, Intension, and Lateralus. I said to myself if I ever started drugs that I would first listen to those three songs. They've always hit me the hardest and sometimes when I close my eyes I can see blurs moving to the music. As for the videos, I only have Vicarious on dvd and the rest are recorded from youtube on my computer and aren't as good of quality.

Do you draw/paint/ anything like that? What are your hobbies?

[johnnyq 451]

Do you draw/paint/ anything like that? What are your hobbies?
I do play drums, but I plan on going to a friends house whenever I do take mushrooms, my parents are too nosey. And I can't really take my drum set with me.

[TheDude420]

yea you will certainly want to not be around any authority figures if u trip, as a matter of fact, if there is the slightest bit of fear someone of importance will interrupt you while tripping, dont do it there, it only takes a small event to set you off on a really bad situation. Also, turn your phone off and have an experienced, sober sitter. Mostly go into it with an open mind (dont "expect" to learn anything profound), a good setting, both physical and mental, and go with the flow of the moment.

[ufopancakes]

lol. The only time I've ever talked to a cop while trippin was scary as fuck. I couldn't understand what he was saying, and the worst thing to do is look a cop dead in the face and say "uhhh what?"

[johnnyq 451]

lol. The only time I've ever talked to a cop while trippin was scary as fuck. I couldn't understand what he was saying, and the worst thing to do is look a cop dead in the face and say "uhhh what?"

Ya thats another thing I'm worrying about. Any advice on how to possibly ignore running into a cop?

[TheDude420]

do not put yourself in a position where you might POSSIBLY run into a cop, this will be one of the most puzzeling stiuations ever

[TheDude420]

the first time i tripped shrooms we had a sober driver that was an experienced psychonaut and we were going out in the back country to a place called red bluff, a HUGE red and purple clay bluff around where i live; this all took place on the same day as a cop convention at a guys ranch right up the road from red bluff. so there we were riding around with cops from all over the state in cars, trucks, motorcycles, the works; they werent worried about us at all, but that didnt go the same way for us. we got out at red bluff and were walking around, and this is at the end of a dead end road, and up pulls like 4 cops on Harleys; roaring sounds of thunder echo throughout the place and im trippin hard now. that got toooo heavy so our sitter suggested we go back, but going back meant going by the cops, we almost made it when i felt the need to stare directly into the chrome of the bike for i dont know how long and the cop was steadily talkin to me and all i could remember to say was im glad they dont issue yall trikes...they had a good laugh and we made it uot unscathed.

[johnnyq 451]

the first time i tripped shrooms we had a sober driver that was an experienced psychonaut and we were going out in the back country to a place called red bluff, a HUGE red and purple clay bluff around where i live; this all took place on the same day as a cop convention at a guys ranch right up the road from red bluff. so there we were riding around with cops from all over the state in cars, trucks, motorcycles, the works; they werent worried about us at all, but that didnt go the same way for us. we got out at red bluff and were walking around, and this is at the end of a dead end road, and up pulls like 4 cops on Harleys; roaring sounds of thunder echo throughout the place and im trippin hard now. that got toooo heavy so our sitter suggested we go back, but going back meant going by the cops, we almost made it when i felt the need to stare directly into the chrome of the bike for i dont know how long and the cop was steadily talkin to me and all i could remember to say was im glad they dont issue yall trikes...they had a good laugh and we made it uot unscathed.
Looks like you got pretty lucky. There was one spot about 20 minutes away from my town. Its a small little town with like 4 buildings and an old school spread out about 5 miles. Its mostly just woods and farmland and I don't think theres really a police force there, I think its just covered by state troopers. I suppose I could get my brother to sit me, even tho it would be kinda akward to bring up. Also I was wondering if I would need a sitter for marijuana, since it mostly just relaxes you.

[ufopancakes]

Looks like you got pretty lucky. There was one spot about 20 minutes away from my town. Its a small little town with like 4 buildings and an old school spread out about 5 miles. Its mostly just woods and farmland and I don't think theres really a police force there, I think its just covered by state troopers. I suppose I could get my brother to sit me, even tho it would be kinda akward to bring up. Also I was wondering if I would need a sitter for marijuana, since it mostly just relaxes you.

I agree with 420. Don't put yourself in a position where you could possibly run into a cop. When you're trippin, and the slightest bit of adrenaline runs through you, it amplifies your trip by a billion. no joke. So don't think you can play it off in front of your parents or police...

[eulogy508]

this thread totally morphed into self-med material

[Inner_Eulogy]

You said ignore me, yet you just repeated everything I just said. Get the fuck off your soap box already. Get laid or something.

Yeah, I guess you're right...I guess it was your final statement about You-Tubing Sacred Geometry that I felt took it a little too far. In the past you've been overtly expressive of the new age psychic mystical third eye crap in the past.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I also recommend that you watch every Tool video there is (DVD quality of course)..

I'll tell ya' what, if you have the Vicarious DVD, stare at the main screen...I swear it'll freak you out. I saw all kinds of shit going down on there last I tried Mescaline

[Inner_Eulogy]

I do play drums, but I plan on going to a friends house whenever I do take mushrooms, my parents are too nosey. And I can't really take my drum set with me.

Even if you don't normally draw, I highly recommend bring a pad of paper and some colored pencils or even in the least just a pen. You'll be amazed by what you can draw...and it'll move around and have a life of it's own. Although I've found that the next day I've looked at something I drew while tripping and wondered what in the fuckin hell was that.

[Inner_Eulogy]

yea you will certainly want to not be around any authority figures if u trip, as a matter of fact, if there is the slightest bit of fear someone of importance will interrupt you while tripping, dont do it there, it only takes a small event to set you off on a really bad situation. Also, turn your phone off and have an experienced, sober sitter. Mostly go into it with an open mind (dont "expect" to learn anything profound), a good setting, both physical and mental, and go with the flow of the moment.

I've never actually ever had a "sitter", I don't think it's necessary but it wouldn't be a bad idea for some people.

[Inner_Eulogy]

lol. The only time I've ever talked to a cop while trippin was scary as fuck. I couldn't understand what he was saying, and the worst thing to do is look a cop dead in the face and say "uhhh what?"

Haha, that would suck so bad.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ya thats another thing I'm worrying about. Any advice on how to possibly ignore running into a cop?

Stay in a room or find a good forest somewhere you can chill

[Inner_Eulogy]

the first time i tripped shrooms we had a sober driver that was an experienced psychonaut and we were going out in the back country to a place called red bluff, a HUGE red and purple clay bluff around where i live; this all took place on the same day as a cop convention at a guys ranch right up the road from red bluff. so there we were riding around with cops from all over the state in cars, trucks, motorcycles, the works; they werent worried about us at all, but that didnt go the same way for us. we got out at red bluff and were walking around, and this is at the end of a dead end road, and up pulls like 4 cops on Harleys; roaring sounds of thunder echo throughout the place and im trippin hard now. that got toooo heavy so our sitter suggested we go back, but going back meant going by the cops, we almost made it when i felt the need to stare directly into the chrome of the bike for i dont know how long and the cop was steadily talkin to me and all i could remember to say was im glad they dont issue yall trikes...they had a good laugh and we made it uot unscathed.

That's scary as fuck, but pretty funny too....

[Inner_Eulogy]

Also I was wondering if I would need a sitter for marijuana, since it mostly just relaxes you.

Not at all, it's nothing at all similar to a hallucinogen, you'll be fine. Much more fun to do with someone else though.

[eulogy508]

hahah, word

[TheDude420]

my situation was funny as hell, but not until after i came down and realized it. Also that same trip my buddy was trippin and had become encapsulated in the Dire Straits cd playing and was hangin out the window leaning out singing and taking in the energy and had his eyes closed and a fucking truck was coming the other way and i snatched him in just in time before the side mirror of the truck took his head off. And im serious, if i had not jerked him into the truck, his head would have been taken off and his dead decapitated body would have been laying in my lap all the while peaking on mushrooms, im pretty sure that would have been something i would have never recovered from.

I wouldn't have done it without a sitter because we were riding around and none of us could have drove, now had we been sitting at a house or out in the woods (i live in south mississippi, so woods are not something that i couldn't have found to chill in) i may not have needed one, but being as it was my first time, i was glad i had one in retrospect because the cop thing could have gone very bad.

[Inner_Eulogy]

octuple post

Inner: SHUT THE FUCK UP ONCE IN A WHILE, DAMN

What's that supposed to mean?

[TheDude420]

and no johnny you will not need a sitter for MJ unless u want someone to keep you from eating everything in sight, but if its the first time u smoke, you may not get very high

[slamminsalmon]

octuple post

Inner: SHUT THE FUCK UP ONCE IN A WHILE, DAMN

grudge supported

[Inner_Eulogy]

Just what it means

damn, man

Well fuck, I had something to say about each one. *shrug*

[Inner_Eulogy]

grudge supported

Hey now. I'll slam your salmon

[eulogy508]

fail

[Inner_Eulogy]

fail

Who failed what?

[slamminsalmon]

*tissue*

[Inner_Eulogy]

you

life

Not really, and why the sudden hosility?

[eulogy508]

Aw you're so innocent

[eulogy508]

haha I ain't got time for such petty punkass mothafuckas

[eulogy508]

Yo Inner Eulogy
You stole half my name, you a pussy hack and a disgrace
Who the fuck'd kiss that disfigured lump you call a face?
Face it, you be TDN's all-time worst
You one octuple post away from the next Fred Durst
And rantin bout Sacred Geometry? Mothafucka you a joke
You more than one toke ova the line, keep it up an this'll be yo last toke
Oh I'm sorry, were your sensitive sensibilties offended?
My apologies, but yo reasoning capabilities seem ta be suspended
You say, "without a little evil, good would never exist"?
Well I'm the former you the latter, say hello to my fist

[Inner_Eulogy]

Yo Inner Eulogy
You stole half my name, you a pussy hack and a disgrace
Who the fuck'd kiss that disfigured lump you call a face?
Face it, you be TDN's all-time worst
You one octuple post away from the next Fred Durst
And rantin bout Sacred Geometry? Mothafucka you a joke
You more than one toke ova the line, keep it up an this'll be yo last toke
Oh I'm sorry, were your sensitive sensibilties offended?
My apologies, but yo reasoning capabilities seem ta be suspended
You say, "without a little evil, good would never exist"?
Well I'm the former you the latter, say hello to my fist

Yeah all this comin' from some pranksta wanna' be Jimi Hendrix
yet the minute you ain't typing you like "ey' lemme suck some dicks"
You ain't even in the mix yo', your threads remind me Styx
and those wack ass lyics you come up with even make your momma sick
This ain't a lump on my face homie, it's your dumbass lookin in the mirror
how else can I explain it to you ta' make it any clearer?
Your rap style sucks dawg but that shit fits you perfect,
I left my zipper unzipped for ya' so you can come and work it.
Sacred Geometry?, bitch I'm a monopoly, no way that you can topple me
so you best put away that baby rattle the next time you come ta' battle

[eulogy508]

Yeah all this comin' from some pranksta wanna' be Jimi Hendrix
yet the minute you ain't typing you like "ey' lemme suck some dicks"
You ain't even in the mix yo', your threads remind me Styx
and those wack ass lyics you come up with even make your momma sick
This ain't a lump on my face homie, it's your dumbass lookin in the mirror
how else can I explain it to you ta' make it any clearer?
Your rap style sucks dawg but that shit fits you perfect,
I left my zipper unzipped for ya' so you can come and work it.
Sacred Geometry?, bitch I'm a monopoly, no way that you can topple me
so you best put away that baby rattle the next time you come ta' battle

Hah hah now please excuse me while I try to stop laughin
Yo flow is gayer than Larry Craig, yo rhymes whiter than Aspen
It hard for me to actually call that shit you spit rap
More like a string of cliches, I been there, heard that
Cause if any sucka ever asked me how to tell a true MC from a hoax
I'd say the latter aint got shit except retarded dick jokes
So if ya really wanna give hip hop music a glimpse of hope
Make the next thing you type up yo own suicide note

[TheDude420]

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH SON

[Inner_Eulogy]

Hah hah now please excuse me while I try to stop laughin
Yo flow is gayer than Larry Craig, yo rhymes whiter than Aspen
It hard for me to actually call that shit you spit rap
More like a string of cliches, I been there, heard that
Cause if any sucka ever asked me how to tell a true MC from a hoax
I'd say the latter aint got shit except retarded dick jokes
So if ya really wanna give hip hop music a glimpse of hope
Make the next thing you type up yo own suicide note

Dude, you ain't got shit....you're way out of place
you call yourself legit but you're a fucking disgrace
talking big like you some Jimmy Hoffa but
I've heard some better shit come from Betty Crocker
You best ta' get out your sissy ass slump punk
looking like some dumb chump runnin' like Forrest Gump
I'm surprised you can even fuckin' spell cliche
with the way your brother Ray turned you gay
Sorry if I offended you with the dick jokes Sally
try not to choke on this while you down in Cali
You can't kill an MC like this dawg I'm all about survival
fuck a suicide note you can find me in the bible

[eulogy508]

Dude, you ain't got shit....you're way out of place
you call yourself legit but you're a fucking disgrace
talking big like you some Jimmy Hoffa but
I've heard some better shit come from Betty Crocker
You best ta' get out your sissy ass slump punk
looking like some dumb chump runnin' like Forrest Gump
I'm surprised you can even fuckin' spell cliche
with the way your brother Ray turned you gay
Sorry if I offended you with the dick jokes Sally
try not to choke on this while you down in Cali
You can't kill an MC like this dawg I'm all about survival
fuck a suicide note you can find me in the bible

Listen up mothafucka so I can spit ya some truth
Yo game still more outdated than a telephone booth
Didn't ya hear me the first time I said yo rhymes was stolen?
Well I'm bout ta crush yo ass like Adolf did to Poland
Your shit's downright nonsensical, worse than imaginable
Shittier than the shittiest rap, into the realm of the unfathomable
I'm the king of brevity, keep my raps just as concise as they should be
Your rhymes a loose floppy mess just like yo mommas pussy
And you in the bible? Shit, ain't a surprise
Can I call you Sodom? Cause you just been lyrically sodomized

[Inner_Eulogy]

Listen up mothafucka so I can spit ya some truth
Yo game still more outdated than a telephone booth
Didn't ya hear me the first time I said yo rhymes was stolen?
Well I'm bout ta crush yo ass like Adolf did to Poland
Your shit's downright nonsensical, worse than imaginable
Shittier than the shittiest rap, into the realm of the unfathomable
I'm the king of brevity, keep my raps just as concise as they should be
Your rhymes a loose floppy mess just like yo mommas pussy
And you in the bible? Shit, ain't a surprise
Can I call you Sodom? Cause you just been lyrically sodomized

Haha, that was good

[Inner_Eulogy]

Listen up mothafucka so I can spit ya some truth
Yo game still more outdated than a telephone booth
Didn't ya hear me the first time I said yo rhymes was stolen?
Well I'm bout ta crush yo ass like Adolf did to Poland
Your shit's downright nonsensical, worse than imaginable
Shittier than the shittiest rap, into the realm of the unfathomable
I'm the king of brevity, keep my raps just as concise as they should be
Your rhymes a loose floppy mess just like yo mommas pussy
And you in the bible? Shit, ain't a surprise
Can I call you Sodom? Cause you just been lyrically sodomized

The truth? Your whole life's a blasphemous lie
don't quit your day job son, I'd rather watch ya' die
Supercalifrajalisticexpialadocious your rhymes be so atrocious
if lyrics were tangible you'd be soundin' like shit an' smellin' like halitosis
Best to get out the kiddie pool son cuz' youz' about ta' drown
I been getting down since before you could even make out sounds
You ain't no king homie youz' a broke ass pawn
finish up your rhyme bendayjo and then go finish up my lawn
Ya see I knew you was into sitcking your dick where it doesn't belong
it's no wonder your girlfriend caught you wearing her grandmas thong

[ufopancakes]

Yeah, I guess you're right...I guess it was your final statement about You-Tubing Sacred Geometry that I felt took it a little too far. In the past you've been overtly expressive of the new age psychic mystical third eye crap in the past.


I swear to god dude, you spew more ad hominum fallacies than Fundimentalist christians.

I've seen Tool promotional artwork with the Flower of Life on it... and if you go to dissectional, its very obvious they are strongly influenced by sacred geometry... They have the page with the Flower of Life, Metitron's Cube, and the Unicursal Hexigram as links to other pages. Is that just to look pretty? Have you ever even looked into it?

Fucking Jackass.

[ufopancakes]

Fuck it, I'm going to play along.

Inner, no one should listen to you because you're stupid and your colin stinks.

Its easy to put a person down rather than to actually think about what they are saying, doing your own research, and drafting your own conclusions. I have one word for people like you... hopeless.

[ufopancakes]

Sorry to break the irrelivent "flowing".

[Tool_Is_Sick]

The truth? Your whole life's a blasphemous lie
don't quit your day job son, I'd rather watch ya' die
Supercalifrajalisticexpialadocious your rhymes be so atrocious
if lyrics were tangible you'd be soundin' like shit an' smellin' like halitosis
Best to get out the kiddie pool son cuz' youz' about ta' drown
I been getting down since before you could even make out sounds
You ain't no king homie youz' a broke ass pawn
finish up your rhyme bendayjo and then go finish up my lawn
Ya see I knew you was into sitcking your dick where it doesn't belong
it's no wonder your girlfriend caught you wearing her grandmas thong

Ownage!!


Supercalifrajalisticexpialadocious.....is that the correct spelling??

[Inner_Eulogy]

I swear to god dude, you spew more ad hominum fallacies than Fundimentalist christians.

I've seen Tool promotional artwork with the Flower of Life on it... and if you go to dissectional, its very obvious they are strongly influenced by sacred geometry... They have the page with the Flower of Life, Metitron's Cube, and the Unicursal Hexigram as links to other pages. Is that just to look pretty? Have you ever even looked into it?

Fucking Jackass.

Yes I've looked into it dumbfuck, I never said they weren't influenced by these things, in fact, I agreed with that. But it's the people like you that try to obsessively make this shit into the Holy Grail that just don't "get it".

[Inner_Eulogy]

Ownage!!


Supercalifrajalisticexpialadocious.....is that the correct spelling??

I have no idea

[Inner_Eulogy]

Fuck it, I'm going to play along.

Inner, no one should listen to you because you're stupid and your colin stinks.

Its easy to put a person down rather than to actually think about what they are saying, doing your own research, and drafting your own conclusions. I have one word for people like you... hopeless.

And yes, I've read into all the things that they reference out of my own curiousity. But I also take the music and lyrics for what they are and I don't sit there and treat it like it's the fucking bible. That doesn't mean I don't have an appreciation any more or less then you do, you just need to chill the fuck out or start your own little cult to make yourself feel validated.

[EGG-MAN]

From the octuple post on this thread got very funny... I found myself sitting at work singing outloud those rap battle lyrics and laughing at how funny they were... As an unofficial judge personally i liked euology508s raps better. They flowed better and were consistently more funny.....

"And you in the bible? Shit, ain't a surprise
Can I call you Sodom? Cause you just been lyrically sodomized"

Classic.

[ufopancakes]

Yes I've looked into it dumbfuck, I never said they weren't influenced by these things, in fact, I agreed with that. But it's the people like you that try to obsessively make this shit into the Holy Grail that just don't "get it".

I suggested that this person looked into such things rather than doing drugs. Are you suggesting that opening one's mind is more negitive than polluting it with drugs? You're a typing contradiction.

[Inner_Eulogy]

From the octuple post on this thread got very funny... I found myself sitting at work singing outloud those rap battle lyrics and laughing at how funny they were... As an unofficial judge personally i liked euology508s raps better. They flowed better and were consistently more funny.....

"And you in the bible? Shit, ain't a surprise
Can I call you Sodom? Cause you just been lyrically sodomized"

Classic.

Yeah, I never claimed to be a good rapper. It was all in fun.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I suggested that this person looked into such things rather than doing drugs. Are you suggesting that opening one's mind is more negitive than polluting it with drugs? You're a typing contradiction.

Did I say ANYthing about taking drugs? Where do you get this shit? My comments had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not to use drugs. You're really making a stretch for the sake of argument here aren't you?

[Yast3r]

I say we let Inner and Noose go at it in the Octagon. Three, five minute rounds to settle this.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I say we let Inner and Noose go at it in the Octagon. Three, five minute rounds to settle this.

That would be horribly unfair to him

[Yast3r]

I'd agree, but I don't count everyone out. Possibly he will enter the Merkaba light vehicle and warp into Egypt or something...

[Inner_Eulogy]

I'd agree, but I don't count everyone out. Possibly he will enter the Merkaba light vehicle and warp into Egypt or something...

Haha, that'd be his best bet if he was in the octagon with me

[Yast3r]

Here's the thing about that though. Actually, 2 things.

1. Lachrymology
2. Just because the band believes it doesn't mean it's true.

In regards to your second point Rivek:

While true, I'd consider the whole sacred geometry practice to be a part of a new age religion. You can't debase anything being said as it is all about self-discovery and finding answers for yourself. I think people that are interested in this type of thing are drawn to Tool the way Christians would be to a Christian rock band. Of course the latter's forum would have some regular people, it will also be filled with people only focusing and dissecting the bands Christian messages.

Thus the things Tool preach are kind of a part of a collective bible. Maybe that's why there are so many crazies joining and being overly obsessed with it. They also feel inclined to push it upon people just because we are fans of Tool and it is in their music. Hence the whole "Hey stop being so egotistical" and people like iAMTHEMa.

That's my two cents.

[Inner_Eulogy]

In regards to your second point Rivek:

While true, I'd consider the whole sacred geometry practice to be a part of a new age religion. You can't debase anything being said as it is all about self-discovery and finding answers for yourself. I think people that are interested in this type of thing are drawn to Tool the way Christians would be to a Christian rock band. Of course the latter's forum would have some regular people, it will also be filled with people only focusing and dissecting the bands Christian messages.

Thus the things Tool preach are kind of a part of a collective bible. Maybe that's why there are so many crazies joining and being overly obsessed with it. They also feel inclined to push it upon people just because we are fans of Tool and it is in their music. Hence the whole "Hey stop being so egotistical" and people like iAMTHEMa.

That's my two cents.

I agree, and those are also the nuts that aren't all quite there in the head either...which is usually why I give them a hard time. It's one thing to read into and learn the different aspects of what they put into their music, it's all interesting stuff and they think it's cool not very well known stuff which brings about a bit of the mystique...but you have these fucking idiots who get ahold of this "light reflection" information and just start bible thumping it like it's the next cult religion.

Ever seen that cartoon where there's this big dog that just walks around the streets and there's that little hyper puppy that just follows him everywhere, huh huh are ya, what's that, hey hey let's do this, do ya' wanna huh huh....it's like smack that little fucker down, SHUTUP DOG

[Yast3r]

I agree, and those are also the nuts that aren't all quite there in the head either...which is usually why I give them a hard time. It's one thing to read into and learn the different aspects of what they put into their music, it's all interesting stuff and they think it's cool not very well known stuff which brings about a bit of the mystique...but you have these fucking idiots who get ahold of this "light reflection" information and just start bible thumping it like it's the next cult religion.

Ever seen that cartoon where there's this big dog that just walks around the streets and there's that little hyper puppy that just follows him everywhere, huh huh are ya, what's that, hey hey let's do this, do ya' wanna huh huh....it's like smack that little fucker down, SHUTUP DOG

And that's why I've also joined you in making their lives miserable. Although iAMTHEMa did defeat me as I was forced to toggle his status over to ignored.

[ufopancakes]

Here's the thing about that though. Actually, 2 things.

1. Lachrymology
2. Just because the band believes it doesn't mean it's true.

You're right. Just because Tool says it is, does not make it so... But there actually happens to be geometrical patterns in creation... Trust me, I didn't just take their word for it.

It’s not just those two things either... Danny Carey specifically recommended that his fans delve into sacred geometry to further understand the symbols they present and the music they make. Is this the answer to the universe? No, but it sure as hell gives you a deeper perspective into their art... Sadly, a small percentage of Tool fans actually look into it.

So I'm not trying to push this like it’s the meaning of life or the "Holy Grail" as fuck-face put it... However, I do find it very interesting... as would just about anyone that listens to Tool's music.

[ufopancakes]

Did I say ANYthing about taking drugs? Where do you get this shit? My comments had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not to use drugs. You're really making a stretch for the sake of argument here aren't you?



Did I say that you said anything about drugs? The thread we are posting on happens to be originated by the idea of taking mushrooms in case you forgot. The comment I made towards the thread poster was something interesting to occupy his time... that is all. And you blew it up into this whole stupid thing like you always do.

Let me just say, that its really easy to talk shit online, but I don't have shit to prove to you... but with every post of yours... all I'm reading is "Hey, look! See! I've got balls! Look at them! They have hair too! See?! Three hairs! Look!" It’s a dead giveaway of a coward in person.

You constantly misinterpret people and try to condescend... when you are never in a position to speak. Going on 30 and still posting on Internet Forums? I'm guessing Saturn's Return wasn't very light on you.

And no, just to clarify for your simple mind. I'm not pushing the Saturn Return Theory. I'm using a figure of speech we can all understand.

[ufopancakes]

In regards to your second point Rivek:

While true, I'd consider the whole sacred geometry practice to be a part of a new age religion. You can't debase anything being said as it is all about self-discovery and finding answers for yourself. I think people that are interested in this type of thing are drawn to Tool the way Christians would be to a Christian rock band. Of course the latter's forum would have some regular people, it will also be filled with people only focusing and dissecting the bands Christian messages.

Thus the things Tool preach are kind of a part of a collective bible. Maybe that's why there are so many crazies joining and being overly obsessed with it. They also feel inclined to push it upon people just because we are fans of Tool and it is in their music. Hence the whole "Hey stop being so egotistical" and people like iAMTHEMa.

That's my two cents.

My point still remains that most Tool fans are unaware of these things. I don't [intentionally] PUSH it on people... I just try to let them see it. I've encountered many tool fans and shown them the syncronicities and layered possible meanings in their songs that they would have never seen otherwise. Its all about sharing experience and perspective... not pushing belief.

[ufopancakes]

That would be horribly unfair to him

I know you are but what am I?

OOOOOHHHH! I got you with your own Kindergarden Komeback! HAhAH!! BURN BITCH!!!

[Yast3r]

My point still remains that most Tool fans are unaware of these things. I don't [intentionally] PUSH it on people... I just try to let them see it. I've encountered many tool fans and shown them the syncronicities and layered possible meanings in their songs that they would have never seen otherwise. Its all about sharing experience and perspective... not pushing belief.

I wasn't saying you were pushing things onto people Noose, no need to get defensive with me. I was talking about people such as iAMTHEMa who quote Tool's songs like the bible. You seem to have a knowledge of this stuff beyond what Tool has told. You are a true fan of the occult as opposed to someone posing as one simply because they like Tool.

You have spoken alot about it, but with the correct demographic reading. Other guys just kind of ramble in every thread about it when to all of us it is obvious. (See iAMTHEMa).

[ufopancakes]

I wasn't saying you were pushing things onto people Noose, no need to get defensive with me. I was talking about people such as iAMTHEMa who quote Tool's songs like the bible. You seem to have a knowledge of this stuff beyond what Tool has told. You are a true fan of the occult as opposed to someone posing as one simply because they like Tool.

You have spoken alot about it, but with the correct demographic reading. Other guys just kind of ramble in every thread about it when to all of us it is obvious. (See iAMTHEMa).

I wasn't really referring to you... Inner thinks I'm a New Age Thumper. But he also doesn't know what it means to have your "Nuts Drop"

[Yast3r]

I wasn't really referring to you... Inner thinks I'm a New Age Thumper. But he also doesn't know what it means to have your "Nuts Drop"

I just read that thread and have voiced my opinion on it. I think you're really doing nothing for your credibility as a member of the community with your little tirades. I thought at first that you were kind of a... on-topic, creative intellectual, but my opinion drastically shifted within the past 2 days.

[ufopancakes]

I just read that thread and have voiced my opinion on it. I think you're really doing nothing for your credibility as a member of the community with your little tirades. I thought at first that you were kind of a... on-topic, creative intellectual, but my opinion drastically shifted within the past 2 days.


I've been bored. And I'm not posting on here for my credibility or ego. I'm on topic when I want to be, its just difficult to take anything seriously when dickheads use these boards to talk down to people to inflate their own ego. Condescending fucks annoy me, so I put them in their place. Thats all.

I acknolwedge the fact that I am no better than him by firing back at him...

[Yast3r]

I've been bored. And I'm not posting on here for my credibility or ego. I'm on topic when I want to be, its just difficult to take anything seriously when dickheads use these boards to talk down to people to inflate their own ego. Condescending fucks annoy me, so I put them in their place. Thats all.

I acknolwedge the fact that I am no better than him by firing back at him...

You've gone from firing back at him to creating the confrontations three quarters of the times. :P

[ufopancakes]

I'd say thats stretching it... Maybe you're not reading the entire threads.

[Yast3r]

Nope I generally just read the page that the thread is on when I click to view the newest post. You may be correct, but I did see him just talking about nothing at all, then you quote and slander him.

[ufopancakes]

Look, I know all about the geometrical patterns in geometry. How the fibonacci spiral repeats itself in either numbers of things or actual geometric representations. yeah, I know.

And actually... wait, what am I arguing here? I read and am intrigued by writings about sacred geometry, though I don't buy into it. It's the New Age culture that surrounds such concepts that pisses me off.


So you disagree that there are many patterns in nature that can be represented by geometrical symbols? I'm not trying to argue that God is a Flower Of Life.

[Inner_Eulogy]

You're right. Just because Tool says it is, does not make it so... But there actually happens to be geometrical patterns in creation... Trust me, I didn't just take their word for it.

It’s not just those two things either... Danny Carey specifically recommended that his fans delve into sacred geometry to further understand the symbols they present and the music they make. Is this the answer to the universe? No, but it sure as hell gives you a deeper perspective into their art... Sadly, a small percentage of Tool fans actually look into it.

So I'm not trying to push this like it’s the meaning of life or the "Holy Grail" as fuck-face put it... However, I do find it very interesting... as would just about anyone that listens to Tool's music.

Fuck you pussy face......and I find it all interesting too...I've read into a lot of it myself and am thoroughly knowledgable of it all. Interesting yes, life changing, no. And I wasn't talking to you anyways. =-P

[Inner_Eulogy]

Did I say that you said anything about drugs? The thread we are posting on happens to be originated by the idea of taking mushrooms in case you forgot. The comment I made towards the thread poster was something interesting to occupy his time... that is all. And you blew it up into this whole stupid thing like you always do.

Let me just say, that its really easy to talk shit online, but I don't have shit to prove to you... but with every post of yours... all I'm reading is "Hey, look! See! I've got balls! Look at them! They have hair too! See?! Three hairs! Look!" It’s a dead giveaway of a coward in person.

You constantly misinterpret people and try to condescend... when you are never in a position to speak. Going on 30 and still posting on Internet Forums? I'm guessing Saturn's Return wasn't very light on you.

And no, just to clarify for your simple mind. I'm not pushing the Saturn Return Theory. I'm using a figure of speech we can all understand.

I post during my lunch time usually while I eat lunch in my office. Only an idiot like yourself would use my age is an inappropriate sign for forum posting. My age doesn't matter. I'm not some kid that goes out every night and after I read the news during lunch I post here because god forbid if I were too old to be a fan of Tool. Dickwad

[Inner_Eulogy]

I wasn't really referring to you... Inner thinks I'm a New Age Thumper. But he also doesn't know what it means to have your "Nuts Drop"

I guess not since the fall was cusioned by your chin.

[ufopancakes]

I post during my lunch time usually while I eat lunch in my office. Only an idiot like yourself would use my age is an inappropriate sign for forum posting. My age doesn't matter. I'm not some kid that goes out every night and after I read the news during lunch I post here because god forbid if I were too old to be a fan of Tool. Dickwad

You guys hear that? It sounds like a really REALLY loose asshole expelling air... or perhaps an open window?

[Liqufeest]

To All with the Shrooms/Acid/Pot/drugsofallsorts posts,

I do not approve or condemn the use of drugs, however I will say this much: in my opinion, there are many ways other than drugs to reach a state of pure, mind-opening bliss. I read most of the posts, and forgive me for not remembering who posted what - someone made reference to the fact that MJK finds his spirituality through meditation. Lateralus (not just the song, but CD, too) came to light around the same time his views on religion were more openly discussed. Coincidence? I think not.

I know I'm going to get slammed for this post, and I'll go ahead and say fuck off to all of you that can't handle it, but for all of you people with the opinion that drugs can put you on such a high plain have simply not opened themselves up to the absolute simplistic beauty of life. You can get the same effect of drugs just by fasting - keep that in mind the next time you puff puff.

[eulogy508]

pwnt

[Tool_Is_Sick]

Im enjoying this thread...really, I am.

[Tool_Is_Sick]

Dont let it get to your head there big boy.

[Th@ Guy]

well this is my first post and i thought id begin by chatting about something i know a bit about - basically i smoked green (weed) for about 8 years and had to quit at christmas as the bad times were outweighing the good... this was all internal and mental... what i mean by that was, when i was high my head was not a cool place to be. so it does have its effects although i think that you'll find this is subjective and changes person to person as i know far more long term marijuanna smokers than i know people who have to quit because of issues. MDMA is probably my second favourite behind shrooms as the high you get is absolute and is just pure contentment. many tool dissents have had their minds turned around by listening to lateralus whilst high... also dropping is the only time now that i will toke... as its a guaranteed happy place and it rounds the high off nicely.

I'm not condoning all drugs as i have had more than my fair share of bad experiences but those have all been on others that i havent mentioned and wont as they seem irrelevant. shrooms however... the best way to describe them is vivid and luminous, colours are brighter and shimmering.

the closest that i have can describe coming up is if you take a deep breath in whilst listening to the point in Aenima where it breaks, and the wash of sound flows over you. after caning the MAD for far too long i can now almost achieve that same feeling just by listening to that song.

Sorry about the length of this post... but i thought why not go over board with the first one.
nicely

[Th@ Guy]

hahahah i just noticed my status - lurker... amazing, the greatest lurker in the business is Mr Bruce Buffer himself.... a master of the lurk.

apologies for the double post

[Sublimity]

I will try to get the same experience without using drugs. I think that will be more rewarding in the end for me.

[0.618]

All those pathetically eager acid
freaks who thought they could buy
Peace and Understanding for three
bucks a hit. But their loss and
failure is ours too. What Leary
took down with him was the central
illusion of a whole life-style that
he helped create...

... a generation of permanent
cripples, failed seekers, who never
understood the essential old-mystic
fallacy of the Acid Culture: the
desperate assumption that somebody...
or at least some force -- is
tending the light at the end of the
tunnel.

[TheDude420]

gonzo baby

BTW: I get the same effect from fasting as i do smoking weed, im incredibly hungry and will eat everything in sight

[eulogy508]

gonzo baby

BTW: I get the same effect from fasting as i do smoking weed, im incredibly hungry and will eat everything in sight
LOL

[0.618]

I did not find that snippet funny, actually, I think there is something truth to it.

I think ive pushed my limit, i've been struggling just to feel the things i used to feel.

I have to agree on this on some limits. I do not mind someone eating mushrooms or whatever to get into some certain state of mind, or whatever he/she is seeking for. However, the level of recommendations and actually giving it more meaning than what it actually is - supprised me.

People usually tend to balanced negative and positive sides of their doings, and I thought I would give some information/thoughts to consider, as in Sherlock Holmes style. Just dropping things to discuss ?

Well first, some posts claim drugs actually expanding the use of brain and using parts that are not "normally" active. That is not true by a long term [ http://www.amenclinics.com/bp/atlas/ch15.php ], which states SPECT brain images of abusers have several damage on their brain. "The study with heavy marijuana usage shows marked overall decreased activity", "In general, the SPECT Scan studies look less active, more shriveled, and overall less healthy. A "scalloping effect" is common amongst drug abusing brains. Normal brain patterns show smooth activity across the cortical surface. Scalloping is a wavy, rough sea-like look on the brain's surface. I also see this pattern in patients who have been exposed to toxic fumes or oxygen deprivation. My research assistant says that the drug brains she has seen look like someone poured acid on the brain. Not a pretty site.".

However, mushrooms ( psilocybin hallucinogen ) do not have long term affects by this study [ http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/magic_mushroom.shtml ]
" The researchers also noted no permanent brain damage or negative long-term effects stemming from use of psilocybin. ". " The researchers used psychological questionnaires and found that 22 of the 36 volunteers had a “complete” mystical experience after taking psilocybin – far more than the four who reported this type of experience after taking Ritalin :)."

And the effects [ http://www.shroomery.org/6265/Physical-Effects-of-Mushrooms ], " heavy philosophical rambling, like you're a college professor talking to a room full of students, especially profound with high doses.". Heh, well, I guess this goes for the meaning of what the situation really is. The visual and audial experiences, feelings and all that, are effects of the substance. The most common thing i get from reading the posts here is, you have assumption of something you want and you receive the experience by taking some substance that takes you there. For me, the basic idea is to gain something - usually something positive. I, however enjoy treating my brain ( it is a organ ) by keeping it healthy. It is not much of an rocket science, but it is long lasting. What comes to mushrooms, however it seems it is NOT that harmfull, what some government sites claim it to be. There are very good sides for using it too. It does not help that drugs are demonised, but it does not help either to give false information from any side.

Here is some good history about hallucinogenic mushrooms [http://web.archive.org/web/20060116104741/www.samorini.net/doc/sam/sah_int.htm ].

I found it interesting that most of the experiences here are positive, and mind opening. For most of I know, it has not been so. A great experience, but a third eye in the forehead ? no. I have for a long time wanted to get a long lasting feeling of high, and enjoy the moments. Music does it, alcohol does it and many other things, but I get used to it and it is not there when I would really need it. I found my way by appreciating friends and closed ones, because when you see others feeling good you get the same. And you are connected with others, and the difference between spiritual and earthly connectivity is, when you support others by really doing concrete favours, you change their life too. About spiritual side, well, I have am short on time so maybe i think about that when i get the boring moments.

So yeah, I am not spiritually awakened. Its funny to think, that if you would take a cat ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o i-have-my-mind-expanded-cat ), drug it - it would be more spiritually awakened than me, but he would still be a cat and probably get its best joy from eating all the squirrels from the trees. I think, everything you now have is able to get everything out from your life - and anyone saying otherwise is lacking it himself. It is relaxing to eagerly stop seeking, its nice to notice everything comes naturally.

For some reason there are a lot of stuff about discovering your potential energy and all that. I think they are doing a great job, but why everything is made so complicated ? I get to feel good when I receive new perspective on things, but yet at the same time i am distracted from something far more simple. Distract body from the mind - how did i get carried away :)

Anyway, this is my second post and hello to everyone.

[Inner_Eulogy]

I did not find that snippet funny, actually, I think there is something truth to it.



I have to agree on this on some limits. I do not mind someone eating mushrooms or whatever to get into some certain state of mind, or whatever he/she is seeking for. However, the level of recommendations and actually giving it more meaning than what it actually is - supprised me.

People usually tend to balanced negative and positive sides of their doings, and I thought I would give some information/thoughts to consider, as in Sherlock Holmes style. Just dropping things to discuss ?

Well first, some posts claim drugs actually expanding the use of brain and using parts that are not "normally" active. That is not true by a long term [ http://www.amenclinics.com/bp/atlas/ch15.php ], which states SPECT brain images of abusers have several damage on their brain. "The study with heavy marijuana usage shows marked overall decreased activity", "In general, the SPECT Scan studies look less active, more shriveled, and overall less healthy. A "scalloping effect" is common amongst drug abusing brains. Normal brain patterns show smooth activity across the cortical surface. Scalloping is a wavy, rough sea-like look on the brain's surface. I also see this pattern in patients who have been exposed to toxic fumes or oxygen deprivation. My research assistant says that the drug brains she has seen look like someone poured acid on the brain. Not a pretty site.".

However, mushrooms ( psilocybin hallucinogen ) do not have long term affects by this study [ http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/magic_mushroom.shtml ]
" The researchers also noted no permanent brain damage or negative long-term effects stemming from use of psilocybin. ". " The researchers used psychological questionnaires and found that 22 of the 36 volunteers had a “complete” mystical experience after taking psilocybin – far more than the four who reported this type of experience after taking Ritalin :)."

And the effects [ http://www.shroomery.org/6265/Physical-Effects-of-Mushrooms ], " heavy philosophical rambling, like you're a college professor talking to a room full of students, especially profound with high doses.". Heh, well, I guess this goes for the meaning of what the situation really is. The visual and audial experiences, feelings and all that, are effects of the substance. The most common thing i get from reading the posts here is, you have assumption of something you want and you receive the experience by taking some substance that takes you there. For me, the basic idea is to gain something - usually something positive. I, however enjoy treating my brain ( it is a organ ) by keeping it healthy. It is not much of an rocket science, but it is long lasting. What comes to mushrooms, however it seems it is NOT that harmfull, what some government sites claim it to be. There are very good sides for using it too. It does not help that drugs are demonised, but it does not help either to give false information from any side.

Here is some good history about hallucinogenic mushrooms [http://web.archive.org/web/20060116104741/www.samorini.net/doc/sam/sah_int.htm ].

I found it interesting that most of the experiences here are positive, and mind opening. For most of I know, it has not been so. A great experience, but a third eye in the forehead ? no. I have for a long time wanted to get a long lasting feeling of high, and enjoy the moments. Music does it, alcohol does it and many other things, but I get used to it and it is not there when I would really need it. I found my way by appreciating friends and closed ones, because when you see others feeling good you get the same. And you are connected with others, and the difference between spiritual and earthly connectivity is, when you support others by really doing concrete favours, you change their life too. About spiritual side, well, I have am short on time so maybe i think about that when i get the boring moments.

So yeah, I am not spiritually awakened. Its funny to think, that if you would take a cat ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o i-have-my-mind-expanded-cat ), drug it - it would be more spiritually awakened than me, but he would still be a cat and probably get its best joy from eating all the squirrels from the trees. I think, everything you now have is able to get everything out from your life - and anyone saying otherwise is lacking it himself. It is relaxing to eagerly stop seeking, its nice to notice everything comes naturally.

For some reason there are a lot of stuff about discovering your potential energy and all that. I think they are doing a great job, but why everything is made so complicated ? I get to feel good when I receive new perspective on things, but yet at the same time i am distracted from something far more simple. Distract body from the mind - how did i get carried away :)

Anyway, this is my second post and hello to everyone.

It's at least nice to see somebody finally say something with substance on here, whether I agree with it or not.

I think the use of any drugs is to each their own, I've tried many myself in my lifetime as a teenager. I think hallucinogens definately DO help people on a personal level. For me, it did open my mind so so many different perspectives in life and a self realized spirituality; even if back then I used them with disregard. But I think that's the whole point is not to be stupid about it and use things as such like a party drug (ie: Rosetta Stoned) and try to actually gain some understanding through the experience that will carry over into your daily life. I know I did. I'm not pro or anti, I think it's up to the individual but, at least be smart enough to know what you're getting into and have the common sense to gain something from it.

As far as your scientific results that were listed, I've gone over those before. Each subject they used were chronic abusers. Too much of ANYthing will damage your brain. Another lopsided result but, nonetheless, factual...don't over do it ya' dumbasses.

Case and point....


what was I saying again?

[gonzo]

Eating some mushrooms that are of the magic variety a few times won't do much to your synapses, really, besides opening them up. Eating cold cuts and shit made by Maple Leaf Foods would be far, far worse. Discern what you put into you, and always moderation.
Tool is excellent shroomin' music.
Perhaps, a bi-annual ritual.

[eulogy508]

buh bye

[Inner_Eulogy]

buh bye

?

[gonzo]

?

I shouldn't have interrupted.

[Inner_Eulogy]

*shrug*....oh well, carry on

[eulogy508]

It was directed at this guy but he was banned, hence why you can't see the post.

[Kasadian]

this entire album helped me piece my life bakc together after a mushroom trip gone bad but in a good way. long story involving a shimmering vortex of purple and green eyes blinding me from this reality, all i could see was this infinitely large lliving alex grey painting (long before i knew of alex grey outside the album cover) and also i bought undertow when it first came out, couldnt get into it and it took me until 2004 around the time of the bad trip/eye vortex for me to get into tool, talk about a sanity/life saver

[NMoB]

yea, ok....jesus fucking christ.

"i am so like, totally mystical"

fuck yourself with a plastic spoon. while your mom plays violin.

[EyeFlys]

fuck inner_eulogy
fuck nmob

[AbsoluteJesus]

The only time ive eaten mushrooms since i started listening to tool i listened to this album and it was one of my favorite trips, im not saying "go eat some mushrooms" but if you do i recommend listening to lateralus

[Inner_Eulogy]

fuck inner_eulogy
fuck nmob

Fuck you too

[gonzo]

Fuck you too

hey bro, that quote gets said round here a lot, but it reads:

Fuck U2.

some of my buddies really, really hate U2.

[0.618]

hey bro, that quote gets said round here a lot, but it reads:

Fuck U2.

some of my buddies really, really hate U2.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst

[gonzo]

yeah to that ^ link.

how to dismantle an atomic bomb? don't make it in the first place.

[Inner_Eulogy]

hey bro, that quote gets said round here a lot, but it reads:

Fuck U2.

some of my buddies really, really hate U2.

I'm not fond of the band either

[Inner_Eulogy]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst

Haha, nice!

[Inner_Eulogy]

'Bout time you changed your avatar by the way =-P

[Rolo]

'Bout time you changed your avatar by the way =-P

Only to copy the one of a mod that can use his abbility to banhammer! You've got some balls 0.618

[Rolo]

fuck inner_eulogy
fuck nmob

Fuck aliases.

[0.618]

'Bout time you changed your avatar by the way =-P

i'm having identity crisis

[gonzo]

I'm not fond of the band either

if i was gonna take some 'shrooms i definitely WOULD NOT be listening to U2.

i would listen to Tool, or Yes, or ELP. maybe the Who.

but regardless, i do not think that lateralus=mushrooms. i think it sounds good on them.

let me meditate on this a while...

[marcus]

Please keep in mind that the Albums section is not the bin and that some level of civility is expected.

This is not a debate.

[Inner_Eulogy]

Only to copy the one of a mod that can use his abbility to banhammer! You've got some balls 0.618

By the way, I dig your new avatar though Rolo

[Inner_Eulogy]

Fuck aliases.

Yup....

[Rolo]

By the way, I dig your new avatar though Rolo

Thanks :)