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aentix
12-03-2003, 11:20 PM
The song Lateralus is a jewel from the lyric point of view up to the musical and philosophical point of view.
In the lyric - musical part one finds an incredible structure that is not read of traversed as the words that I put, let's say that there is a connection with the following line, word or poem, as in the rhythmic one of the song it is listened.
Later I put an example of the poetry of a grand song done in Mexico, country in which many folklore rhythms are compound rhythms as it happens in Lateralus and his 5/4 6/8 7/8 etc ... the letter of the song that I put later is called " That bury my body "

" THAT BURY MY BODY "

THAT BURY MY BODY
CLOSE TO THE WINDOW
THAT MY GIRL FRIEND HAS
LOOKING IT WAS DOING OUT
AND TO HER THAT THEY SAY TO HIM
THAT IN THE MORNING
PLANT THERE SAME
CLOSE TO THE WINDOW
A FEW HUMID ROSES
AND A CREEPER.

FOR WHEN I DIE
I WANT THAT MY GRAVE
THAT MY GRAVE SMELLS
SMELLS TO SPRING.

THAT BURY MY BODY
CLOSE TO THE WINDOW
THAT MY GIRL FRIEND HAS
LOOKING IT WAS DOING OUT
AND TO HER THAT THEY SAY TO HIM
THAT IN THE MORNING
PLANT THERE SAME
CLOSE TO THE WINDOW
A FEW HUMID ROSES
AND A CREEPER.
FOR WHEN I DIE
I WANT THAT MY GRAVE
THAT MY GRAVE SMELLS
SMELLS TO SPRING.

THAT OF THE ORANGE TREES
ORANGE BLOSSOMS ARE CUT
CUT POPPIES
IN ROYAL BUNCHES
AND WATER WITH HONEYS
OF MY APIARIES
CARPETS OF ORANGE BLOSSOMS
FOR MY WHITE KISSES
AND THE POPPIES
FOR MY RED KISSES.

FOR WHEN I DIE
I WANT THAT MY GRAVE
THAT MY GRAVE SMELLS
SMELLS TO SPRING.

THAT OF THE ORANGE TREES
ORANGE BLOSSOMS ARE CUT
CUT POPPIES
IN ROYAL BUNCHES
AND WATER WITH HONEYS
OF MY APIARIES
CARPETS OF ORANGE BLOSSOMS
FOR MY WHITE KISSES
AND THE POPPIES
FOR MY RED KISSES.

FOR WHEN I DIE
I WANT THAT MY GRAVE
THAT MY GRAVE SMELLS
SMELLS TO SPRING.

FOR WHEN I DIE
I WANT THAT MY GRAVE
THAT MY GRAVE SMELLS
SMELLS TO SPRING.

But my theory is that the Mexican music, in someone regions, it play with a called rhythm " sesquialtera " that it is one 6/8 altered as it happens in many parts of Lateralus, and since the poetry of the song is very similar to the Mexican poetry, I believe that it is related in something, since this alone "sesquialtera" exists in Mexico

aentix
12-03-2003, 11:56 PM
The word "sesquialtera" means six that it alters, and is something like one 6/8 shaken ... it is something difficult of explaining ... but just listen to it well in the song Lateralus in the minute 4:56 in the part where it enters the Hi-Hat of the drums, here the sesquialtera is listened very much with the figure that the Hi-Hat of the drums does ... indescribable rhythms...

aentix
12-04-2003, 12:59 AM
Correction of the song " That they bury my body "

"That they bury my body"

That they bury my body
close to the window
that my girlfriend has
looking it was doing out
and to her that they say
to him that in the morning
it should plant there same
close to the window
a few humid roses
and a creeper.

For when I die
I want that my grave
my grave smells
smells to spring.

That they bury my body
close to the window
that my girlfriend has
looking it was doing out
and to her that they say
to him that in the morning
it should plant there same
close to the window
a few humid roses
and a creeper
For when I die
I want that my grave
my grave smells
smells to spring.

Of the orange trees
orange blossoms are cut
poppies are cut
in royal bunches
and water with honeys
of my apiaries
carpet of orange blossoms
for my white kisses
and the poppies
for my red kisses.

For when I die
I want that my grave
my grave smells
smells to spring.

Of the orange trees
orange blossoms are cut
poppies are cut
in royal bunches
and water with honeys
of my apiaries
carpet of orange blossoms
for my white kisses
and the poppies
for my red kisses.

For when I die
I want that my grave
my grave smells
smells to spring.

For when I die
I want that my grave
my grave smells
smells to spring.

AllforUnity
12-04-2003, 07:47 AM
aentix...that's an intresting fact.

reedc33
12-04-2003, 09:52 AM
The word "sesquialtera" means six that it alters, and is something like one 6/8 shaken ...


Is there any relation to flamenco?

Anyways, nice post and interesting observation, but I'd like to know more...I think the word might refer to a Spanish baroque dance(???).

Another definition or use: The ratio 3:2. This ratio was used often in Medieval music theory.

It's also an organ stop.

aentix
12-04-2003, 11:50 PM
Is there a relation with the flamenco?
The surest thing is that if
The principal musical influence in Mexico and Latin America comes from Spain.
Now, this that I mention of the "sesquialtera", in the actuality is not present in any music of the world, only in the musical so called genre " Son abajeño ", that principally it spreads over the region of Michoacán in Mexico.
But the curious thing is that many influence in this one " Son abajeño ", in addition to the already mentioned Spanish influence, it is the influence of the Indians of north américa.
Not if it is a coincidence, but the poetry of Lateralus is extremely similar to the Mexican poetry, and the compound rhythms and the "sesquialtera" are a part of the so called genre " Son abajeño ".
If some of you wants to listen to something of " Son abajeño ", it can leave to me a post here and I order them an example in MP3.
But it is necessary to have high criterion on having listened to this one " Son abajeño ", since as I mention, principally seemed with Tool, specifically with the song Lateralus, it is the rhythm and the poetry...
Do not go away to think that " Son abajeño " it sounds Tool, because it does not have anything of seemed in the harmony, the music etc...