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Old 04-23-2006, 03:42 AM   #1
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Drummers. Help?!

Rhythm theory noob. Please help me out. Starts in 4/4, goes to 10/4, um..

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Old 04-23-2006, 04:36 PM   #2
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Re: Drummers. Help?!

No drummers?
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Old 04-23-2006, 05:38 PM   #3
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Sounds more like 5/8.
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Old 04-26-2006, 10:14 AM   #4
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Old 04-26-2006, 11:01 AM   #5
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Sounds more like 5/8.
+1.... Four bars of 5/8 works out the same, note-value-wise, as a bar of 10/4, but it's the feel that's important, here. The pulse is in 5/8 - ie, where the pattern "repeats" or whatever... at 1:40, the little breakdown between drums and bass - that sounds like a 10/8 pattern (could be written as two bars of 5/8, but the pattern is over 10), then it goes back to 5/8, and then 10/8 again, and so forth....

Speaking of counting and patterns, how about the little "snare w/ no strainer" fill that starts at 3:01-ish... ;) Cute little Carey riff....
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Old 04-26-2006, 11:40 AM   #6
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Ok, I went through it, and this is what I hear.

It starts in 4/4, then alternates between 4/4 (verses) and 5/8 (chorus). If you keep counting the same tempo from the 4/4 part, it keeps going at the same speed but in 5, so it could be interpreted as 5/4, too.

At 2:23, I hear one bar 9/8, one bar 10/8, one bar 7/8, and one bar 11/8, then 3 bars of 9/8 and one bar of 12/8. At 2:43, there are 8 bars of 5/8 (or 4 bars of 5/4).

At 2:57 it goes into 11/8 (counted 1-2-3-4-5-6, 1-2-3-4-5), until 3:56, which has two bars of 5/8, then back into 11/8 until 4:47, another two bars of 5/8. Back into 11/8 to 5:40, where there are 3 bars of 5/8 and one bar of 7/8. It then returns to 5/4 til 6:02 where it goes into 3/4 (listen to the hihat).

At 7:03 there 9 bars of 15/4 going on until 8:13, where it goes back into 3/4. At 9:16 it goes back into 5/8.

At 9:37 the "Goddamn, shit the bed" part is 7/8. 9:40 goes into 3/4, 9:52 is 11/8 for 2 bars, 3/4 for 4 bars, and alternates like that until 10:16, where it's 11/8 until 10:28. Then it's 5/8 until the end.

I've checked each part and it all counts right; though some parts are tricky, if you count it all the way through the ways I've described, it should sound right.

Hope it helps :)

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Ok, At 2:23, I hear one bar 9/8, one bar 10/8, one bar 7/8, and one bar 11/8, then 3 bars of 9/8 and one bar of 12/8. At 2:43, there are 8 bars of 5/8 (or 4 bars of 5/4).

Hope it helps :)
You definitely seem to know your theory (although I haven't checked yet), Although 10/8 is typically transcribed as 5/4... but still, it's good to see a musician on this forum.
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You definitely seem to know your theory (although I haven't checked yet), Although 10/8 is typically transcribed as 5/4... but still, it's good to see a musician on this forum.
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Thanks. I could be wrong in a couple parts (especially the part you quoted... could be 3 bars 9/8, one in 10/8) but it all works when it's counted out. If you find any mistakes, let me know.

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Cool I'll have to listen through with your timings. Thanks! :)
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I'll see if I can find a minute to double check, sounds right to me, though. They go through a bunch of time sigs on this tune...

BTW - in most of the music I've seen written (ie, not tabs put together by netizens, but honest-to-God sheet music), stuff with this 8th note pulse is written in x/8, rather than combining two bars to x/4... just for whatever that's worth. It's obvious in the music when the pulse is in quarter notes, and if it is, it's written as x/4. In this case, it's not - but some folks might get lazy and write in x/4 cause it's easier for them - also, it can be easier to read, if you're switching back and forth between 4/4 and other meters....
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I'll see if I can find a minute to double check, sounds right to me, though. They go through a bunch of time sigs on this tune...

BTW - in most of the music I've seen written (ie, not tabs put together by netizens, but honest-to-God sheet music), stuff with this 8th note pulse is written in x/8, rather than combining two bars to x/4... just for whatever that's worth. It's obvious in the music when the pulse is in quarter notes, and if it is, it's written as x/4. In this case, it's not - but some folks might get lazy and write in x/4 cause it's easier for them - also, it can be easier to read, if you're switching back and forth between 4/4 and other meters....
Correct, and it should be written in x/8. For example, a 12/8 feel has a completely different feel than 6/4.
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