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Old 04-20-2006, 12:09 PM   #1
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7:45

OK, I don't know if this was mentioned or not but at around 7:45 there's a steady pulse that comes in that is exactly like that on The Grudge at around 7:37. Just an observation and further coincides with various theories about the song being flown around here. It sounds like clapping/shucking.
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Its sped up, but its the same thing. Just like how the riff from H is used, but sped up in the song.

More proof its a decoy.
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:16 PM   #3
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Re: 7:45

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Its sped up, but its the same thing. Just like how the riff from H is used, but sped up in the song.

More proof its a decoy.
Not only is the H. riff sped up, I believe it's in a different time signature, not that it matters. But about the decoy: If it is a decoy then Tool did a bang up job disguising it. I personally think 10,000 days is the real deal, but Tool could deffinately be pulling a fast one on everyone.
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Re: 7:45

Dream Theater and other progressive bands constantly re-use riffs as a tribute to earlier work or to suggest thematic continuity.

It is in no way proof of a decoy.
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Its sped up, but its the same thing. Just like how the riff from H is used, but sped up in the song.

More proof its a decoy.
No, it's a flashback!!!
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:20 PM   #6
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No, it's a flashback!!!
an awsome flashback
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Re: 7:45

Dream Theater tend not to disguise the reuse of the riff in the way Tool have tried. Which to me infact hints just the opposite than you - I think it does hint at a hoax. Tool have poorly redone their riffs. Dream Theatre do them more obviously, and usually better, and the 'theme' is obvious, whereas this is rehash. That's why I think it would make sense if it were a hoax - I think these four musicians have more taste. However, I am enjoying 10,000 Days, and I wouldnt be disappointed if (or when) this turns out to be real, but I equally won't be suprised if (or when) it turns out to be a decoy.
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Re: 7:45

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Its sped up, but its the same thing. Just like how the riff from H is used, but sped up in the song.

More proof its a decoy.
I don't know about proof, but it sure makes me wonder...
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what are you people talking about
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Re: 7:45

Having said that, the bit on 6:01 is also taken from H, even with the same tinkley percussion sound on the right. This bit is really great, I love this reworking. Oh yeah, and the clicking percussion from The Grudge, that's cool too.

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Are you people serious
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Please, don't tell me you're kidding yourself this is original material? It's done all the way through the album. I'm not suggesting this is good or bad, it's clearly the songwriting theme.
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Old 04-20-2006, 02:46 PM   #13
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Are you people serious
serious about what?
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Old 04-20-2006, 04:48 PM   #14
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Its sped up, but its the same thing. Just like how the riff from H is used, but sped up in the song.

More proof its a decoy.
you mean at 6:10 or another part? I haven't noticed the H part (other than the 6:10 part).
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Are you people serious

Yes, they are.
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Los paranoias, come on and join us.

If u guys think this a decoy, ur not tool fans.
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Re: 7:45

I have to agree with those that say they hear similarities to earlier works. I noticed that right off the bat too. I do believe musicians themselves do hold on to certain riffs or rhythms, drumming patterns, etc throughout their musical careers or just jamming. They develop a style that is a base(so to speak) and that base expands and evolves in all different directions. I believe TOOL has more than one base though. I don't think its odd or disappointing to hear similarites, but if this is a hoax I say to TOOL....touche'. No one mentioned lyrics! Why use decent lyrics on a hoax cd. Double Disc?

Oh yeah, at 10:29 on Rosetta Stone, I hear Pigmy Love Circus influence into a Aenima influence to close the song.
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