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seems like yousendit is just to send to one person. I'd be happy to do that, if you intend to make it public to everyone. I need an e-mail to send it to, however. If I'm missing something or you know of a public place to upload, let me know.
yousendit is public and private

after you upload it it will send the link to an email address as well as give you a link to post here

post that link and anyone will be able to DL it
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seems like yousendit is just to send to one person. I'd be happy to do that, if you intend to make it public to everyone. I need an e-mail to send it to, however. If I'm missing something or you know of a public place to upload, let me know.
yousendit is public and private

after you upload it it will send the link to an email address as well as give you a link to post here

post that link and anyone will be able to DL it
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I've listened to the mixed version about five or 6 times. I will say it starts out slightly jarring, but as I said before, it gets more and more coherent and dramatic as it progresses. The two tracks play off the one at very key moments in lyrics and composition. When the slowed down "alien" voice utters something that sounds like "assisco," it is directly in between lyrics in 10,000 days.

Here's the link: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...6539A43F650724

By the way, this is a 7 day upload access. So anyone who is interested, get it while it's hot.
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I've listened to the mixed version about five or 6 times. I will say it starts out slightly jarring, but as I said before, it gets more and more coherent and dramatic as it progresses. The two tracks play off the one at very key moments in lyrics and composition. When the slowed down "alien" voice utters something that sounds like "assisco," it is directly in between lyrics in 10,000 days.

Here's the link: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...6539A43F650724

By the way, this is a 7 day upload access. So anyone who is interested, get it while it's hot.
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yeah it sounds a little better

but the commonality here is that whichever part has viginti tres over it doesnt sound horrible and the other part does.

nice try though, but the more i listen the more im clearly seeing that these songs arent supposed to be overlayed.

next thing to try would be VT looped over the entire wings 1 and 2 as one 17:30 track.
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yeah it sounds a little better

but the commonality here is that whichever part has viginti tres over it doesnt sound horrible and the other part does.

nice try though, but the more i listen the more im clearly seeing that these songs arent supposed to be overlayed.

next thing to try would be VT looped over the entire wings 1 and 2 as one 17:30 track.
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Heh. Try.

My favorite parts of it are before Viginti starts. Maybe my tastes are just a little more eclectic.
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Heh. Try.

My favorite parts of it are before Viginti starts. Maybe my tastes are just a little more eclectic.
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perhaps

it also could just be that im used to hearing them one way that any other way sounds wrong

this just doesnt sound intentional to me... especially once the guitars come in. just too much meandering and that makes it hard to follow. the vocals playing simultaneous speaks for itself... i either hear one song overpowering the other or a garbled mix. the wings for marie heavy part comes in during the buildup of 10,000 days... this also sounds unbearable to me as it all but removes half of the most emotional part of the song.

VT over anything sounds like it fits... maybe that's the significance of it (23, synchronicity, etc) , why not try having VT looped over the whole album from start to finish.
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perhaps

it also could just be that im used to hearing them one way that any other way sounds wrong

this just doesnt sound intentional to me... especially once the guitars come in. just too much meandering and that makes it hard to follow. the vocals playing simultaneous speaks for itself... i either hear one song overpowering the other or a garbled mix. the wings for marie heavy part comes in during the buildup of 10,000 days... this also sounds unbearable to me as it all but removes half of the most emotional part of the song.

VT over anything sounds like it fits... maybe that's the significance of it (23, synchronicity, etc) , why not try having VT looped over the whole album from start to finish.
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omg this sync theory stuff is a bunch of bullsh..
not 1!! version I heard is sync, not even with a wild imagination
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omg this sync theory stuff is a bunch of bullsh..
not 1!! version I heard is sync, not even with a wild imagination
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the first sync makes the most sense tho and does kinda work (VT+wings pt1 over 10000 days) the second one (wings pt1+VT over 10000 days) doesnt work, its just garbled
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the first sync makes the most sense tho and does kinda work (VT+wings pt1 over 10000 days) the second one (wings pt1+VT over 10000 days) doesnt work, its just garbled
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i love the whole 23 theory... keep it up! (i'm listening to the song right now)
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i love the whole 23 theory... keep it up! (i'm listening to the song right now)
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Ok...im loving these theories, it gives me something to puzzle over. I have tried mixing, but im limited to Windows sound recorder. I dont know if i have done it properly but i opened Wings pt1 then said mix with pt2 and then mixed that with VT. Im not sure i like how it sounds. The background of Pt2 is quite effective with Pt1, in my opinion. But anyway, did i open them in the correct order or does it not matter?
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Ok...im loving these theories, it gives me something to puzzle over. I have tried mixing, but im limited to Windows sound recorder. I dont know if i have done it properly but i opened Wings pt1 then said mix with pt2 and then mixed that with VT. Im not sure i like how it sounds. The background of Pt2 is quite effective with Pt1, in my opinion. But anyway, did i open them in the correct order or does it not matter?
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Someone might have posted this before, but i found something that might add some clues to the hidden track / fibonacci serie theory...

If we add the track lengths of 10 000 days together, with separate columns for minutes and seconds you get:

7+7+6+11+6+1+3+11+7+8+5 minutes
this is 72 minutes / 1h and 12 minutes

6+28+11+13+21+11+46+11+21+55+2 seconds
this is225 seconds / 3 minutes and 45 seconds

If you write this out together you get 1,1,2,3,4,5
Now I know this isn't the fibonacci sequence, but what if the "4" means the hidden track between tracks 4 and 5?

Or maybe the total length of 10000 days including the gaps between the songs (haven't had the time to see for myself) is exactly 1h,12minutes + 3minutes and 50 seconds, then we have 1,1,2,3,5,(0)...

This is probably the definition of Pareidolia...heh
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Re: Solution to Puzzle = Hidden Track?

Someone might have posted this before, but i found something that might add some clues to the hidden track / fibonacci serie theory...

If we add the track lengths of 10 000 days together, with separate columns for minutes and seconds you get:

7+7+6+11+6+1+3+11+7+8+5 minutes
this is 72 minutes / 1h and 12 minutes

6+28+11+13+21+11+46+11+21+55+2 seconds
this is225 seconds / 3 minutes and 45 seconds

If you write this out together you get 1,1,2,3,4,5
Now I know this isn't the fibonacci sequence, but what if the "4" means the hidden track between tracks 4 and 5?

Or maybe the total length of 10000 days including the gaps between the songs (haven't had the time to see for myself) is exactly 1h,12minutes + 3minutes and 50 seconds, then we have 1,1,2,3,5,(0)...

This is probably the definition of Pareidolia...heh
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this is how i am spending my friday at work... listening to this over and over and trying to sync it up perfectly... what i have found so far is that the order must be VT the WMPT2. this is because at about 9:14 (as previously mentioned) the music gets extremely similar. the lyrics are almost identical. ( i think at one point they something different, but dont quote me on that) people who are saying that this is in no way possible to hear this... u really need to look at it again... cuz it kicks in hard and u can tell that this was purposly planned and not a crazy theory. good luck and peace
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Re: Solution to Puzzle = Hidden Track?

this is how i am spending my friday at work... listening to this over and over and trying to sync it up perfectly... what i have found so far is that the order must be VT the WMPT2. this is because at about 9:14 (as previously mentioned) the music gets extremely similar. the lyrics are almost identical. ( i think at one point they something different, but dont quote me on that) people who are saying that this is in no way possible to hear this... u really need to look at it again... cuz it kicks in hard and u can tell that this was purposly planned and not a crazy theory. good luck and peace
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lol well i have put some time in it too... but sometimes i doubt it... if this was meant to be we have to be able to sync them perfectly, and not "some pieces" it's tool, if they did this on purpose they had it done more sync and better...

although i want to make a very important statement for those who try to sync it...

DON'T USE MP3S!!!!!!!!!!! USE WAVE FILES!!!!!!!!!!!

a friend of my and i had to try this one too, but we both got others track durations (although i'm speaking about less than a second, but there's a difference) when we ripped the music to wav files we got EXACTLY the same tracks, with those mp3 versions we both got different times and stuff, so don't use them...

also we saw something very very strange... i have a copy of 10,000 days, my friend has one... (both got original ones, so don't bother mentioning that) and or trackduration of wings pt1 en pt2 were exactly the same:

Wings4marie pt1::
6:11,440000

10,000 days::
11:13:773333

but for Viginti Tres it seems we have different versions...

Viginti Tres (my version)::
5:02,640000

Viginti tres (friends version)::
5:02,786666/7

the difference is very small, but there is a difference, while those other songs are exactly the same...

Maybe this can help to solve the wings puzzle ;)
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lol well i have put some time in it too... but sometimes i doubt it... if this was meant to be we have to be able to sync them perfectly, and not "some pieces" it's tool, if they did this on purpose they had it done more sync and better...

although i want to make a very important statement for those who try to sync it...

DON'T USE MP3S!!!!!!!!!!! USE WAVE FILES!!!!!!!!!!!

a friend of my and i had to try this one too, but we both got others track durations (although i'm speaking about less than a second, but there's a difference) when we ripped the music to wav files we got EXACTLY the same tracks, with those mp3 versions we both got different times and stuff, so don't use them...

also we saw something very very strange... i have a copy of 10,000 days, my friend has one... (both got original ones, so don't bother mentioning that) and or trackduration of wings pt1 en pt2 were exactly the same:

Wings4marie pt1::
6:11,440000

10,000 days::
11:13:773333

but for Viginti Tres it seems we have different versions...

Viginti Tres (my version)::
5:02,640000

Viginti tres (friends version)::
5:02,786666/7

the difference is very small, but there is a difference, while those other songs are exactly the same...

Maybe this can help to solve the wings puzzle ;)
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omg this sync theory stuff is a bunch of bullsh..
not 1!! version I heard is sync, not even with a wild imagination
did you listen to the one at www.myspace.com/illustrated_man ?

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omg this sync theory stuff is a bunch of bullsh..
not 1!! version I heard is sync, not even with a wild imagination
did you listen to the one at www.myspace.com/illustrated_man ?

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here Tiva's friend =)

R= where music stops, E = where file ends
Viginti Tres
E5:5:02,786666 = R5:5:02,786644 + 22

Wings4marie pt1::
E6:11,440000 = R6:11,439977/8 + 22

10,000 days::
E11:13,773333= R11:13,773311 + 22

VT + WFM = 11:14.226666 (E) > 11:14.226622 (R) > 11:13.773333 (E)


in each case: length(VT + WFM ) > length(Wings pt2).

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here Tiva's friend =)

R= where music stops, E = where file ends
Viginti Tres
E5:5:02,786666 = R5:5:02,786644 + 22

Wings4marie pt1::
E6:11,440000 = R6:11,439977/8 + 22

10,000 days::
E11:13,773333= R11:13,773311 + 22

VT + WFM = 11:14.226666 (E) > 11:14.226622 (R) > 11:13.773333 (E)


in each case: length(VT + WFM ) > length(Wings pt2).

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Viginti Tres (my version)::
5:02,640000

Viginti tres (friends version)::
5:02,786666/7
okay i've checked my original copy of 10kd, and Viginti Tres is 5:02,786667..
now if anyone can tell me how did you sync it up?

i tried audacity, imported those 3 songs, placed cursor at the end of VT, pasted WFM, then just checked, obviously 10KD was NOT of the same length, and the supposed "9:14-perfect-sync" did not sync..

so.. i don't believe this theory anymore ;)
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DON'T USE MP3S!!!!!!!!!!! USE WAVE FILES!!!!!!!!!!!

Viginti Tres (my version)::
5:02,640000

Viginti tres (friends version)::
5:02,786666/7
okay i've checked my original copy of 10kd, and Viginti Tres is 5:02,786667..
now if anyone can tell me how did you sync it up?

i tried audacity, imported those 3 songs, placed cursor at the end of VT, pasted WFM, then just checked, obviously 10KD was NOT of the same length, and the supposed "9:14-perfect-sync" did not sync..

so.. i don't believe this theory anymore ;)
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I support this theory. Lots of people say that Tool or Maynard or anyone in the band wouldnt do that. But i think this is the big bang they would give for the final album. This is the album that will make us go back for more for years to come.
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I support this theory. Lots of people say that Tool or Maynard or anyone in the band wouldnt do that. But i think this is the big bang they would give for the final album. This is the album that will make us go back for more for years to come.
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okay i've checked my original copy of 10kd, and Viginti Tres is 5:02,786667..
now if anyone can tell me how did you sync it up?

i tried audacity, imported those 3 songs, placed cursor at the end of VT, pasted WFM, then just checked, obviously 10KD was NOT of the same length, and the supposed "9:14-perfect-sync" did not sync..

so.. i don't believe this theory anymore ;)
well that's the problem, if we do this really mathematic, there is no sync... like chrestos said, whatever you do, the wings pt1 en VT are always a bit longer, even if it's only 0,4 seconds, but when the album got mastered that wouldn't be hard to edit the times that it would be perfect... so i don't know anymore... in my eyes it sounds too good at some parts to be coincidence, but wathever, atleast there are a lot of theorys aroudn this album again... who knows, maybe we find something some day, and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
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okay i've checked my original copy of 10kd, and Viginti Tres is 5:02,786667..
now if anyone can tell me how did you sync it up?

i tried audacity, imported those 3 songs, placed cursor at the end of VT, pasted WFM, then just checked, obviously 10KD was NOT of the same length, and the supposed "9:14-perfect-sync" did not sync..

so.. i don't believe this theory anymore ;)
well that's the problem, if we do this really mathematic, there is no sync... like chrestos said, whatever you do, the wings pt1 en VT are always a bit longer, even if it's only 0,4 seconds, but when the album got mastered that wouldn't be hard to edit the times that it would be perfect... so i don't know anymore... in my eyes it sounds too good at some parts to be coincidence, but wathever, atleast there are a lot of theorys aroudn this album again... who knows, maybe we find something some day, and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
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and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
well whatever, i can make the "synced" version myself, thing is that these 3 songs DO NOT SYNC as they are supposed to. the times are supposedly equal, but actually they are different.

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and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
well whatever, i can make the "synced" version myself, thing is that these 3 songs DO NOT SYNC as they are supposed to. the times are supposedly equal, but actually they are different.

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Could somone answer? Does it matter which order i open the files in? I thought i read somewhere that it does make a difference, but i cant remember where to go looking.

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Could somone answer? Does it matter which order i open the files in? I thought i read somewhere that it does make a difference, but i cant remember where to go looking.

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Could someone repost links to this mixed version of the song?
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Could someone repost links to this mixed version of the song?
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It sounds like shite, it only syncs up for 20 seconds and the contrast in lyrics at the end of each was intentional because THIS IS ONE SONG, split into two because the singers disposition of the event helps him cope.

This was not Tool's intention, if it was, they got some pretty stupid ideas.
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It sounds like shite, it only syncs up for 20 seconds and the contrast in lyrics at the end of each was intentional because THIS IS ONE SONG, split into two because the singers disposition of the event helps him cope.

This was not Tool's intention, if it was, they got some pretty stupid ideas.
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perhaps

it also could just be that im used to hearing them one way that any other way sounds wrong

this just doesnt sound intentional to me... especially once the guitars come in. just too much meandering and that makes it hard to follow. the vocals playing simultaneous speaks for itself... i either hear one song overpowering the other or a garbled mix. the wings for marie heavy part comes in during the buildup of 10,000 days... this also sounds unbearable to me as it all but removes half of the most emotional part of the song.

VT over anything sounds like it fits... maybe that's the significance of it (23, synchronicity, etc) , why not try having VT looped over the whole album from start to finish.

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it also could just be that im used to hearing them one way that any other way sounds wrong

this just doesnt sound intentional to me... especially once the guitars come in. just too much meandering and that makes it hard to follow. the vocals playing simultaneous speaks for itself... i either hear one song overpowering the other or a garbled mix. the wings for marie heavy part comes in during the buildup of 10,000 days... this also sounds unbearable to me as it all but removes half of the most emotional part of the song.

VT over anything sounds like it fits... maybe that's the significance of it (23, synchronicity, etc) , why not try having VT looped over the whole album from start to finish.

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Did no one notice this was mentioned in the May newsletter?

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You'd be unwise to buy into the other ideas mentioned there, which doesn't look too good for this theory.

However, I do like the way the ending lyrics sync up. That might have more to do with the writing style than intentional synchronicity though...
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Did no one notice this was mentioned in the May newsletter?

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Granted, these people of relative affluence might not 'know' that 10.000 Days is merely a decoy album like you do, or that "Wings for Marie", "10,000 Days" and "Viginti Tres" are meant to be synched (played together) to make a super 'hidden' track, or that a very limited number of copies of the live DVD were released on 6.6.06 but can only be purchased by those giving the correct password (or is it a special handshake?) to sales clerks in certain record stores, but still, let's not conclude that they're not TRUE fans.
You'd be unwise to buy into the other ideas mentioned there, which doesn't look too good for this theory.

However, I do like the way the ending lyrics sync up. That might have more to do with the writing style than intentional synchronicity though...
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i forgot this thread existed => theres no hidden track
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i forgot this thread existed => theres no hidden track
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July '06 Newsletter:
"Q: "And When Combining Wings, and Viginti Tres, their time combined matches that of 10,000 Days (Wings PT. 2), is there any particular reason for this?"

A: It's either just a coincidence or the clue to a super 'hidden' track."

The way I read this is that the songs, when synched, without further manipulation by the user, provide clues to be applied elsewhere. That the 'solution' is not to mix the songs together to make a new song to spank it to, but to apply the synchronicities that DO occur in the 'synch' elsewhere.

Perhaps clues to unlocking the message in VT? I.E. a key to unraveling the math used to speed up and slow down the prevalent voice(s) in the track. I don't know, but that is my two cents. Makes as much sense as eating a cookie.

Also, the sound at the beginning of VT, which someone mentioned as 'fluttering wings,' when sped up sounds like a gas powered toy helicopter, to me at least.

I posted this here because this is one of the better threads on the topic, with some very well reasoned posts and very few pissing contests, a rarity these days.

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July '06 Newsletter:
"Q: "And When Combining Wings, and Viginti Tres, their time combined matches that of 10,000 Days (Wings PT. 2), is there any particular reason for this?"

A: It's either just a coincidence or the clue to a super 'hidden' track."

The way I read this is that the songs, when synched, without further manipulation by the user, provide clues to be applied elsewhere. That the 'solution' is not to mix the songs together to make a new song to spank it to, but to apply the synchronicities that DO occur in the 'synch' elsewhere.

Perhaps clues to unlocking the message in VT? I.E. a key to unraveling the math used to speed up and slow down the prevalent voice(s) in the track. I don't know, but that is my two cents. Makes as much sense as eating a cookie.

Also, the sound at the beginning of VT, which someone mentioned as 'fluttering wings,' when sped up sounds like a gas powered toy helicopter, to me at least.

I posted this here because this is one of the better threads on the topic, with some very well reasoned posts and very few pissing contests, a rarity these days.

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I know this thread is really old now but i thought u might like to hear my take on it.

Iv been coming up with a fairly similar theory to this actually. but this one's been missing a vital bit of info which links it all together.

A lot of things in the album (both music and artwork) are made from 3 things joining together to make 1 thing. eg the three faces on the album cover to make the 1 head and the 3 tracks to make the 1 song (even if it does sound a bit dodgy..)

Heres where it gets VITAL! :P Judith Marie was a christian and this album was dedicated to her. In the christian faith, God is a being made from 3 different entities AKA the holy trinity: the father the son and the holy ghost (fetch me the spirit the son and the father). Thus further backing up the 3 into 1 theory for the basis of the puzzle.

Its pretty easy to tell that the album is about christianity really with songs like right in two.
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I know this thread is really old now but i thought u might like to hear my take on it.

Iv been coming up with a fairly similar theory to this actually. but this one's been missing a vital bit of info which links it all together.

A lot of things in the album (both music and artwork) are made from 3 things joining together to make 1 thing. eg the three faces on the album cover to make the 1 head and the 3 tracks to make the 1 song (even if it does sound a bit dodgy..)

Heres where it gets VITAL! :P Judith Marie was a christian and this album was dedicated to her. In the christian faith, God is a being made from 3 different entities AKA the holy trinity: the father the son and the holy ghost (fetch me the spirit the son and the father). Thus further backing up the 3 into 1 theory for the basis of the puzzle.

Its pretty easy to tell that the album is about christianity really with songs like right in two.
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Damn, i guess this isn't over, but you're clearly on the right track... Keep digging.
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Damn, i guess this isn't over, but you're clearly on the right track... Keep digging.
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that has no relevance whatsoever
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that has no relevance whatsoever
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it certainly could but since judith was christain, not muslim, i would guess it was about christianity.
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it certainly could but since judith was christain, not muslim, i would guess it was about christianity.
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and yes im pretty sure
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You have some incredible arguments and you seem to have used all the "keys" very well. I think you may be onto something. I said this once before somewhere and you probably are aware of this anyways but... The Rosetta Stone was a carved piece of rock that had heiroglyphics, greek and latin on it. The greek and latin translations were used to decipher the heiroglyphs. In this case the pictures 2 become 1, the lyrics etc all hint to a combination and your math seems to indicate that you are using the right tracks. "Viginti Tres" and "Wings For Marie Pt. 1 " sound good together too. Shine On
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You have some incredible arguments and you seem to have used all the "keys" very well. I think you may be onto something. I said this once before somewhere and you probably are aware of this anyways but... The Rosetta Stone was a carved piece of rock that had heiroglyphics, greek and latin on it. The greek and latin translations were used to decipher the heiroglyphs. In this case the pictures 2 become 1, the lyrics etc all hint to a combination and your math seems to indicate that you are using the right tracks. "Viginti Tres" and "Wings For Marie Pt. 1 " sound good together too. Shine On
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well that's the problem, if we do this really mathematic, there is no sync... like chrestos said, whatever you do, the wings pt1 en VT are always a bit longer, even if it's only 0,4 seconds, but when the album got mastered that wouldn't be hard to edit the times that it would be perfect... so i don't know anymore... in my eyes it sounds too good at some parts to be coincidence, but wathever, atleast there are a lot of theorys aroudn this album again... who knows, maybe we find something some day, and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
Thank you, i have also done this sync and there is no common timing, on top of that it sould like its junking up wings in certain places.
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well that's the problem, if we do this really mathematic, there is no sync... like chrestos said, whatever you do, the wings pt1 en VT are always a bit longer, even if it's only 0,4 seconds, but when the album got mastered that wouldn't be hard to edit the times that it would be perfect... so i don't know anymore... in my eyes it sounds too good at some parts to be coincidence, but wathever, atleast there are a lot of theorys aroudn this album again... who knows, maybe we find something some day, and hey, i still have the "synced" mp3 just for the parts that does sound good...
Thank you, i have also done this sync and there is no common timing, on top of that it sould like its junking up wings in certain places.
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What none of us have looked at is what each table does not have. Mabey tool left out certain things from each pic.
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What none of us have looked at is what each table does not have. Mabey tool left out certain things from each pic.
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that would be why blair said its easy for him to see the puzzle, i think the quote was "saw it immediately" or something like that
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that would be why blair said its easy for him to see the puzzle, i think the quote was "saw it immediately" or something like that
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all the mixes I've heard sound like utter shit.
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all the mixes I've heard sound like utter shit.
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