http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ut/ToolPoster/

Pictures of the poster, the individual pictures, and the new shit I noticed that weren't on the CD case.

I know some of them are blurry, but it was the best I could do with my camera. Also, the one of the symbols in Maynard's picture is really hard to get because they're on the back of the woman's thigh.

Hope this helps, especially those of you that didn't get the poster.

PEACE

maybe if it wasn't sideways. thanks for the pics though. interesting to finally see these symbols that probably mean nothing.

Fixed. Sorry, I got lazy.

I thought that, too. I'm not familiar enough with it to make any kind of guesses, though.

Thanks for the pictures sir.

Quick question for ya, mourningxair. Where in Justin's picture is his symbol exactly? Someone else in another thread referred to it being 'next' to him, I'm guessing on his right? I'd appreciate your input.

The Ace of Swords has come up in Blairs posts over the past 2 - 3 years. Not necessarily often, but there has been reference to this particular card, and I somehow keep ending up at the following page.

http://www.learntarot.com/sa.htm

When reading about the card it seems obvious why. It's like the 'Superman card', truth justice, etc.

Past ignorances on my part had prevented me from ever really learning anything about Tarot; I dismissed it as being for new age jerks who lived a life of constant denial of self evidence. That was back in my 'set in my ways' days. So I'm playing catch up here.

Ma'am. ;) You're welcome.

And in Justin's picture the symbol is in the smoke up above him. Like, directly above the space between his head and the wings.

Thank ya ma'am

Here is something for anyone interested:

http://www.the-book-of-thoth.com/sec...rticles-7.html

Has anyone noticed the nifty little design in the empty space on Danny's desk?

I'm guessing another picture is in order...

OK the books on dannys desk are going to tell us what these symbols are about.
Does any one have any idea what they all are?

If you go to Danny Carey's website it will help. There is a catalog of all of Blair and Danny's collection of first edition Crowleys, including cover photos and some photos of the spines.

A few of the books on the desk do not seem to be included there, however.

i guess a clue is needed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cuneiform_signs

looking at the four corners, notice that top right and bottom left are the same... know any four letter words where letters 2 and 3 are the same?

I'm guessing its ancient Sumerian instead of Babylonian

tool? :D

I think that poster looks lame.

I'm bored with this.
Year Zero Merch/Online Story is much more interesting, and actually makes sense. I'm still going ot buy a poster when I see them in A/C though.

who is this guy?
holy shit
:}

hmm
tool?
fool?

Those 'sword/dagger' things are actually from Crowley's Dagger Alphabet font.

We deduced on the TA site that it's the band member's initials in their individual pics, T-O-O-L in the 4 corners of the poster, an 'X' at the top center, 'TOOL' at the bottom center, and an 'F U' inside the 1st circle of the TOOL logo.

Link to the Dagger alphabet is here:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/daggers.htm


Cheers!
J

Well very fucking clever. But what the fuck do those symbols have to do with the original album shots? Although that is fucking funny. "Alright, so they believed me about the stupid puzzle idea - alright, here ya go, here's your fucking puzzle."

Got the poster last night at the Fort Worth show and the first thing I noticed was the tool logo in the middle. This is the only occurence of the logo that I remember having the extra lines at the bottom of the 't' and the 'l'. Making it look clearly like it says "fool".

There I solved it :)

honestly
if the solution to the problem is the frickin band name
i quit!

Who said what about abbey road being the last Beatles album? Uh-oh.

please, could somebody upload some good pictures of that poster with its symbols? i mean not some blurry, wiggly, yellow, and light reflecting ones... is it so hard to shoot some decent photos?
nobody got a digital mirror reflex cam? ;)

halleluja, i think i got it (again) :P

ok, i just checked the dagger alphabet from crowley and it seems as if it fits.
while closely examining the symbols in band member's pictures and the other ones i made some discoveries:
the letters are written over each other. therefore the symbols represent the initials of the band members MERGED ( again ;) )

http://www.afternight.com/runes/a-dagg.gif

look for yourself: Maynard James Keenan MJK, Adam Jones AJ, Justin Gunnar Walte Chancellor JGWC (i didnt know Justin has 2 bynames but he also has the most complex symbol), Daniel „Danny“ Edwin Carey DEC... additional i should mention that i think some of the daggers are mirrored vertically. but there could be more behind that...

secondly, the symbol at the bottom center reads the letter symbols of the corners "TOOL" merged ( one symbol written over each other )

sooooo, i guess my try of MERGING the pictures in the first place wasnt so wrong after all when you consider these two facts! the daggers are merged, the songs are merged, the stereoscopic pics are merged, THE BAND MEMBERS ARE MERGED!

anyone contra? ;P

What is the "AD" for in the logo?

isnt it a FU?

hm, maybe "fuck you" or a hint to "the fool" tarot card... i dunno :)

^^^^

Yeah, it's definitely 'F U' as in F**k You.

Doesn't surprise me, it fits w/ Tool's humor. Plus, they're great friends w/ The Melvins, and when I saw them on the 2003 Ipecac Geek Tour, Buzzo & Kevin Rutmanis were wearing shirts w/ 'F' and 'U'. Hilarious!

Cheers!


PS - Has it been metioned, or has anyone else noticed in Justin's pic it looks like the way the 5 tables/sets of candles are placed to make a pentagram, with him in the center?

PS - Has it been metioned, or has anyone else noticed in Justin's pic it looks like the way the 5 tables/sets of candles are placed to make a pentagram, with him in the center?[/QUOTE]


It has been mentioned, but that is as far as anyone got with it, I believe.

^^^^^^

Cool, thanks!

Remember the posting by Blair not too long ago regarding 'TOOL' being spelled out using the tarot card & dagger handle in Danny's pic? Have any others out there tried finding the word 'TOOL' in the other photos in a similar manner??

I sort of saw a similar scenario in Adam's photo (or, the close-up before his pic). It's a stretch, but could be seen w/ the part of the Oxygen tank gauges being the 'T', the tops of the 2 beakers could be the 'O's, and that black firecracker-snake-looking-thingee could curve just enough to be the 'L'.

Or, in Maynard's photo, the opened box could be the 'T', the 2 tops of the wine glasses 'O's, and the lady's hand (in the mirror) bending to form the 'L'.

...Like I said, it's a bit of a stretch (which means, even though I pointed it out, I don't believe it either....)

But, like all the other theories, any of them could be true if you read into them enough.

Just throwin' food out there for thought.

.......Now, to get the thread back on topic.

Re: Tool Poster

In Danny's pic, anyone else notice the faint, yellow curved line above Danny's head (it's visible on the CD pics, but you have to be in good light....probably have good vision, too! *L*)

The curved line looks as if it'd be the outline for the mirror in Maynard's photo.

So.......taking a cue from the others who've tried merging the pics.

I tried doing the technique where you cross your eyes & focus on the 3rd image in the middle (the same technique for those 3-D Magic-Eye posters and the pics on Adam's MySpace page).

What I noticed w/ Danny & Maynard's, like most have already pointed out, they themselves physically overlap into one, and the light coming from the skull does look like it appears to shoot straight to the top of the building. Also, it looks as if Danny's right hand is holding one of the telephones instead of the top of the skull.

No offense to the person who posted the merged images in another thread, but combining the 2 pics in this fashion did make their argument more feasible. The images they posted don't work as well as it does with the poster (plus, considering the pics are also bigger, at 14"H x 10 3/4" W.)

Adam & Justin's pics didn't seem to synch up as neatly as Danny & Maynard's, But there were a few things I noticed that haven't caused me to dismiss this theory as complete ballyhoo, either. Main thing you notice is how Justin overlaps where the skeleton is standing perfectly.


..Hmmmmm.............

you can do a lot of experimenting with the scanned pics...
who tells you that they should be _exactly_ one over another. some moving brings more light in it. but it's hard to get a "final" set up...
anyway: arent the poster pics differenty cropped? maybe this ( on the poster) is the way how they should overlap? if somebody would finally scan these pics..... that would be really nice. you see, i dont wanna wait till i'm able to drive all the way up to frankfurt to go to a concert i've already seen two times, to buy that poster. i'm not THAT kind of fan :D

so again, please, someone scan these pics :)

peace

^^^^^^^^^^^

Yepperz, I remember reading some of it. I wanted to re-iterate it here to provide more validity to the theory.

Also, the comment posted after my last one makes a good point, too.

Cheers!
J

I suppose that if it were true that the puzzle could be solved with the poster alone, and the solution involved merging the pictures, and knowing that the pictures have been cropped seemingly independant of one another, giving us different aspect ratios than the album art, then wouldn't working further under this notion of merged pictures inherently involve doublethink?

I commend sicbanana for their (I no longer presuppose gender here) work on this concept, bringing the similarities to light, etc, and I think the people who have doubted, even lambasted, this idea are looking for for the wrong thing. The pictures aren't going to merge into a mind blowing new picture, much like merging wings, 10KD, and VT does not provide for a new song, but there are coincidences that probably should be considered, in both cases.

It seems Danny's picture may be the, forgive the expression, Rosetta Stone of sorts, providing similarities to all three other pictures, stemming from the light beam thingy [i.e. through the skeleton (A), tracing up around the bird (J), to the elbow of the woman holding the top of the building (M)]. The location of the symbols on the poster, save for Dannys, also seem to fit right in this line created by said light thingy. As the drummer, he does provide a foundation for the whole of the band.....

This afternoon I am going to buy some poster board and break out the trusty protractor to see if I can't map the similarities of what we think we know, without all of the distractions in the pictures. With luck, maybe I can actually add something other than long winded doubt and/or reiteration to this forum. We can only hope.

Carry on....

Very well put. Accolades all around.

I never thought about the locations of the dagger symbols on the poster. Starting w/ Maynard's in the top right corner, the symbols do slowly get higher & follow the path of the light thing-a-majig.


Nice find!

Now where does that leave Danny's symbol? And do you, or anyone, have an opinion on whether the symbol in Danny's picture is on a mirror or a key ring? I think that is very important and we should try to build a consensus. I personally think it's a key ring, but sometimes I see it just right and it looks like a mirror. Both objects carry some symbolism in general, and symbolism directly related to Tool, i.e. mirrors and reflection references in lyrics over most of their albums, and references to lost keys on the new album.

It should be noted that Blair made a somewhat random comment about mirror images and things written in reverse once upon a time, during the height of his fake clue mindfuck period right before and after the album came out. I don't think anyone has ever found anything in reverse or mirror images, though I don't know how you would go about looking through the lenses into a mirror. Thoughts?


Frivolous Sidebar:
I just took a few preliminary measurements of the cd photos, for my aforementioned project. This is probably nothing, but I thought I would post it for any of you mathemagicians out there. I thought maybe phi would be involved, but not quite, although the difference between the ratio of an individual photo and of an individual pair of photos is about 7.5 ten-thousandths of an inch. The ratio of the overall picture pair yielded a strange number, 0.697368421. Strange in that every digit is represented, except 5, and 6 is there twice. Keep in mind I didn't send it to Rotoscope for the measurements, I eyeballed them, in 1/16th of an inch increments. Maybe the metric system would yield a more accurate result, but I can't see things that small, my glasses are in the shop (seriously, weekend concert related incident) Please don't get sidetracked on this, just thought I'd share.

Hmmm...I'll have to check the pics when I get home.

I've never heard about the mirror/key ring debate, although I was looking at it the other day not sure if it was the back of a mirror, or a polished black mirror. Crazy, must be that lattice of coincidence or collective unconscious thing happening again! *L*

In response to Danny's symbol, it's location could represent the starting point.

Also, like some others previously mentioned, what of the symbol on the table top of Danny's desk??

"If you look at the cycles of the moon, it starts as a thin crescent and then gradually waxes until it becomes full; then it gradually wanes back into another crescent and then it is gone. The moon reflects sunlight like humans reflect information. We wax and wane and when we become full moons, our egos are full. We think we have this knowledge when in fact, the information we have is pure. And how it reflects or shines off of us, is something we take credit for as though the moon could take credit for its brightness when, in fact, it is only reflecting light from the sun. We have to understand that we are ego-less just as the moon is without light. It and we are simply reflectors. The ego is not responsible for the information. It can reflect the information in creative ways, but the information itself is pure".


this is an excerpt from an interview with maynard. (the interviewer asked him about the lateralus song "reflection") and i think it fits great in this debate about reflection and mirroring...
i suppose the mirror has a very important meaning to 10,000 days. wouldnt be surprised if this could be the key: where, between black and white ( polarities in general ) is a mirror located? what is danny mirror reflecting?
well, overlapped, the stereo-googles on adams desk are directly in this little mirror.....
...pieces everywhere, i guess they will fit :)

Possible that the Tool and F X U means literally that... Tool F X U (Tool Affects You).

Or maybe the X is where your supposed to pin the poster lol