the more I read and listen, it seems that you guys might be right. at least some of the drugs involved here might be given by the doctors to shut him up once they've heard his story. and his story might be the "situation" that the nurse speaks of.

yes, I think so..

i dont buy into it.
people have already made up the mp3s and combined them and it just sounds like garbage.

i did a lot of acid a few years back, never shit the bed. but i did see my eyeballs about 3 feet infront of my eye holes on shrooms. how is that possible? i have no idea.

brilliant!

The only way I could see Lipan connected to these two is if instead of acid you assume Lipan is about the natve american ritual of taking Peyote which is also a psychedelic. SO if oyu assume that then the rest can all fit together as a guy who takes peyote and freaks out. Honestly though I don't even believe that I think Lipan is its own song apart from Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned.

Why would someone who didn't graduate high school be given the opportunity to take part in a shamanic ritual with a native american tribe?

This may be a little late to clarify why I orignally thought the three went to together.... but if anyone is still paying attention maybe I can elucidate. The Rosetta Stone was in three different types of script. Hieroglyphs, less formal Egyptian language, and Greek. So, I think for the reference to the stone to be more accurate, there have to be three parts. I don't see "Intension" as part of the trilogy, though. I see it as more of a prelude to "Right in Two." "intension" has some serious Kubrick/"Space Oddysey" undertones, where "Right in Two" is sort of the continuance of that same idea. So, I'm sticking with "Lipan" as the third part, because originally they could not decipher the hieroglyphs on the stone. Maybe it's a statement that "Lipan" is either A, untranslatable, or B, more complicated than you think. Granted, this is all supposition and might maintain some serious stretching of the intended purpose, but I don't think it's that far off.

Rosetta = one song.

LK + lipan + 23 = vacant space

Wait, they check if you have a diploma?

Err.. of course Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned are linked/one song. It's a transcension both lyrically AND musically (don't even know if it can be called a transcension). Those who cannot hear that should probably go back to Westlife or something, seriously.

Another thing: listen to "the guy's" breathing in the end of Lost Keys. It's sounds just as he's gonna start speaking. Oh wait! He does! In Rosetta Stoned. Same song.

However Lipan Conjured is in my opinion not connected to LK-RS at all, seems like wild speculations/link-everything to me.

yeah they do actually, but it's ok, i used a fake one all the time before i graduated and they let me in. they are sooooo stupid

I agree with Stumble, well said. Fairly related story-when at the Berlin, Germany show, a friend and i met up with 3 Germans; Igor, Evon and Tanya. Igor got punched in the gut on the first song (Lost Keys) a security officer confused him with a guy starting a fight and kicked him out. He called at the end of the show to tell us to look for his LOST KEYS, how funny-he lost his keys during Lost Keys. Very humorous, we never found them.

YOUR capslock button is stuck!

I just read an interview of M in a local publication, in which he states more than once that he thinks it's funny that so many people look at him as some kind of authority when he does not have much of a formal education, or job history.


me, the chosen one...


LMAO


As for which songs go with which, I don't know, the whole gol dern album kinda flows for me, but I do believe there are vingettes and major and minor themes allusions and connections throughout.

Yes. Chief Black Kettle had nothing to do with the Lipan Apache Indians.

I can't make the connection between Lipan and Lost Keys/Rosetta. I just think Lipan is really cool filler. Lost Keys and Rosetta are linked together, though. I'm almost sure of it.

I read in an interview that rosetta stoned is about how people use psychadelics in the wrong way, as in just for kicks instead of using it for personal gain and exploration of your own psyche. So I think that Lipan conjuring is connected because of the distorted voice in the chant. It starts out with how the chant should be and then you can hear maynards chant which is very off and almost sounds like its mocking the native americans.
All three are connected and are about the mis-use of drugs.

I'm seeing Tool in DC. I'd rather they didn't play Lost Keys. It's a waste of 3:46. Go ahead and bash me, I couldn't give a fuck anyway. I'm a big Tool fan, just not a blind appologist like many. "You just don't get it dude.....", yea, whatever. I'm not a big fan of 10k/wings either. I'd rather they played Right in two. Pretty good album over all however.

Okay, refrence to a "blotter" doesn't necesarily entail LSD. A blotter is just a little piece of paper meant to absorb some kind of liquid [def. for blotter dictionary.com], a.k.a. the administration for a drug that can be absorbed <i>like</i> LSD. Now, a tab of LSD is commonly referred to as a "blotter", but other drugs <i>are</i> administered in this way. In the beginning of the song (from the "official lyrics" posting), J. Doe tells his tale:

"Alrighty, then ... picture this if you will. 10 to 2 AM, X, Yogi DMT, and a box of Krispy Kremes, in my "need to know" pose, just outside of Area 51..."

Okay, DMT is the first thing that stands out to me here. DMT is dimethyltryptamine, a highly psychoactive chemical found in various plants as well as right in each of us, in the center of our brains, secreted from the pineal gland [Transfigurations, Alex Grey; DMT, Wikipedia.com; DMT, Erowid.com]. If you follow tales of DMT, they typically correspond with those alien abductions. From what I can gather, this correlates best in my mind. And the "X", I assume, anyway, is Ecstasy, or MDMA (ususally). MDMA is a beautiful precursor for a trip, putting the user in very uplifting mindset for to voyage into the void of the self. So I related to this, personally.

Now, I heard speculation that Rosetta Stoned was about an experience out in Landers, CA, by Joshua Tree National forest. I heared that it was supposed to be about an experience out near the Integretron built by Geroge Van Tessel [labyrinthina.com/rock; integratron.com], at the giant rock out there. There are countless correlations between Van Tesslel and aliens as well. There's certainly some correlation, IMO.

This idea just came to me reading through this topic --> what if all the material songs ("filler") are in some way connected with one another, but they break them up throughout the album(s) to both lessen the annoying factor and as a device to split the album(s) up into acts/sections. Possibly they have been doing so since the introduction of the material songs on Aenima. I doubt that they are connected from one album to the next, but conceivably within a single album they all form a common theme together. Perhaps when I have less of a headache I'll try testing this. Thoughts? Have I just not had enough sleep lately?

if you've ever tried it , or actually , even really thought about it , that would make one long, LONG, song that would be so nonsensical that it would be legally banned from most countries.

I always put "Lipan/Keys/Rosetta" together as one song... I think of the chant as being out with some Apaches in the desert, leads to tripping out on one of the hallucinogens they use in helping their visions, to the guy going out and tripping somewhere (possibly made it up to Area 51, possibly just imagined he was there), and ultimately waking up in a hospital.

I actually put "Third Eye" in after "Lipan" and followed it with "Faaip De Oiad" and it made for an interesting story.

I don't really care if that's how Tool intended it or not, but it does work together quite interestingly.

I didn't interpret that as mocking, but maybe a guy that's indulged a little too much and is overly enthusiastic, but tone deaf. Like when my dad sings along to his Rolling Stones CDs.

I really like the idea of Lipan Conjuring being the trip that the guy goes on prior to Lost Keys + RS. That kinda sets up the whole situation, and would give Lipan Conjuring a more important role among the other songs.

I kinda like to think that most--if not all--of the songs on the album are linked in some way. I was reading through this thread, but the whole time, I kept thinking about the possible connection that exists between Lost Keys, Rosetta, and possibly even Intension and Right in Two as well. In Rosetta, the narrator is given a 'message' by his abductors, not so? Yet, as he wakes up in the hospital bed, he is immensely distraught in that he cannot remember what said message was. Perhaps (and this may be going somewhat out on a limb here, but just perhaps) the message that would be one 'of hope to those that chose to hear it and a warning to those who do not' is revealed to us through the Intension/Right in Two suite? For are not aliens generally perceived to be more enlightened than we ourselves? Would they not see warfare as something illogically destructive that man would be better off without?
As I've said, it may well be a stretch, but I'd like to think that that was the case.

hahahahhahaha, shut down
!!!

I thought that too when i first got the album as well!! xp