I went to paul's house "loudas.com" and took no quarter, his computer picked up a small vocal file behind the surronding sounds... We deleted all the remaining (perpusly placed) disturbance and turned up what was left. Still a barly audiable vocal message, it inface starts 10 seconds into the song, and finish's 10 seconds before the end of the song, but because of the quality of the audio file, it only picked up around 30 seconds of it between "6:39 - 7:10" - and it goes alittle something like this...
"Jésus est mon ami, il a besoin de moi tandis que j'ai besoin de lui. C'est un cercle de la vie. no-one is comeing home tonight, so go and steal my soul, and make it numb, jesus is me, and i am him"
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Re: i know the subliminal message...
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Originally posted by numb...
"Jésus est mon ami, il a besoin de moi tandis que j'ai besoin de lui. C'est un cercle de la vie. no-one is comeing home tonight, so go and steal my soul, and make it numb, jesus is me, and i am him"
I figured i would be nice enough and for my first post translate the french for those of you who don't speak it (mainly did it for me because I don"t speak French either)
The full text would read something like this:
Jesus is my friend, he needs me while I need him. It is a circle of the life. No-one is coming home tonight, so go and steal my soul, and make it numb, jesus is me, and I am him.
By the way what program did you use to get this message out if you dont mind giving such info out. I was very very curious.
This song always struck me as odd by the way, I never thought Tool would remake a song. Atleast that is without adding something to give it a more powerful meaning.
Damn, why must I have to be responsible on the night I gleam this and can't get stoned and check that out. It would have been so cool to stumbled upon that stoned. Oh well C'est la vive say the old folks, no? Good job whoever translated that and went to the effort.
Yea, we used 2 networked computers, one was windows and the other was mac, he used linux but god knows what he did to the audio file, he saved onto his laptop and then screwed around with a french canadian version of an audio-coder (used for producen songs). and then when only the drums were left he pluged in a computer equilizer, and screw with the settings till you could only just hear maynard. Then we turned it up on a recording studio amp. And you heard it as clear as day. And I realise its in FREAKEN french,
anyone else got any requests for song screwing around with, there is heaps of freaky shit in tool songs, i will find it for ya???
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I realize you knew it was in french. I just translated with Babel Fish for those who don't speak french (mainly for myself). So yes I knew that you knew it was in french. And no it wasn't any great effort put into translation just babel fish.
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Has anyone else noticed similar hidden whispers hidden in hooker with a penis. Under headphones at reasonable volumes you can hear it start right after the first chorus. It doesn't sound like just muffled words but whispers simialr to thaat of no quarter. The whispers end with the normal lyrics.
Originally posted by numb... I went to paul's house "loudas.com" and took no quarter, his computer picked up a small vocal file behind the surronding sounds... We deleted all the remaining (perpusly placed) disturbance and turned up what was left. Still a barly audiable vocal message, it inface starts 10 seconds into the song, and finish's 10 seconds before the end of the song, but because of the quality of the audio file, it only picked up around 30 seconds of it between "6:39 - 7:10" - and it goes alittle something like this...
"Jésus est mon ami, il a besoin de moi tandis que j'ai besoin de lui. C'est un cercle de la vie. no-one is comeing home tonight, so go and steal my soul, and make it numb, jesus is me, and i am him"
or sin..
its amazing!!! I cant believe it!! You worked it out just like they do in the movies, I wish I had a magical computer to performn miracles of sound.
Did you also use an enchanted sound card?
Maybe Harry Potter could help you work out some more stuff!!
Originally posted by crow011 im trying to show you how big your brain is, but youre not paying attention . . .
peace and blessed be . . .
crow011 . . .
Ha ha ha ha.....no wait ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .....ha ha ha ha......wait theres more......hahahahahahahahahaha......ha.. hahahahaha.......ha........hm......huh.....mm. . .h?
Hey, numb.. Could you do the same thing with Hooker with a penis? I've only managed to amplify the beginning of the whispering.. "Comsume, be fruitful and multiply, God(?)..."
Hey man, I believe that the message is what you say it is, but for the love of GOD man, we all need to hear it. I must hear it, it's literally driving me nuts. So, please either post t here, make a litte site or something for it, or put in on Kazaa or some shit but get it out there. And if not at least tell me what program u used to get the single vocal stream so I can do it myself. Either one would be much appreciated.
The reason why none of you will ever hear this garble is because it is all bullshit. French? Jesus? He is me and i am Him? Sounds like a load to me. I don't mean to knock it down, because it would be a juicy piece of meat to tear through, but the message isn't that long and the idea that it is French is Absurd. How many French TOOL fans are there? Why would they make the message so indecipherable when it is impossible to hear without going through all this sound equalizing and separating mumbo jumbo. And from what I have heard, it is in plain old english. Whoever it was that brought this to light is trying to lead you little sheep astray.
Baaaaaaaah!
It's funny, cause all I need to do is push a small black button on my stereo normally for voice reduction for his voice to rise above all of the other intruments at the point of 5:30 in the song. It also muffles the guitar and a bit of the cymbal work after 4:30.
The message is meant for me and me alone, so rest assured, you little hooligans, that it doesn't concern you, and if you are concerned with it all it will do is lead you to blowing what he says way out of proportion. i.e. finding some kind of hidden poetic and incoherent message or inexplicable thought to tie it to. (not to discourage everyone's reaching or anything).
The message is about watching someone in utter despair and self loathing who wants to die. Lock the door, kill the light, No one's coming home tonight refers to staying the night in a place that won't let you leave, so you're disappointed and fearful parents stay up and wait or fret about your whereabouts.
In this holding cell (you got put in for breaking into your best friend's girlfriend's house when she wasn't home to smoke a joint in the living room when the neighbor saw and called the cops) you feel intensely disappointed in yourself and intensely suicidal, longing for a departure from these CHAINS that bind you from pursuing your DREAMS. <---run on sentence, its 2:00AM and im pissed off that fans of this band are so ignorant sometimes, as am I...sometimes.
At one point a dirty piece of Fuzz (cop) came when I was trying to figure out if I could hang myself from the ceiling light with my plastic and felt "blanket." He threatened me and told me if I didn't calm down he'd put me in the little "timeout, dunse hat, criminally insane, small observation chamber"
So anyhoo, the only thing that truly keeps you from taking your own life in the next coming week, before everything is smoothed over and lalala-life goes on, is love, respect, and caring for those who mutually feel the same way.
Look at the live video on www.lachrymology.com. During the end of the "quiet" beautiful part, before the "dum-duddle-um" and the following rush of melancholy emotion, Maynard says in a similar voice to how he whispers in the studio version, "Something you hold deep inside, it would have killed your whole family." "dum-duddle-ump" I could be wrong, but this thread is horseshit anyway so I'm gonna spout it my way. Correct me if I am not rite. This is a blatant summary of what is hard to hear on Salival.
One day I was sitting in my art school's drawing class listening to the song when the thought dawned on me to scope out the track length. Knowing what I already associated the song with, I watched as it etched and crept towards a number that made my stomach light up and my knees bounce repeatedly. (I have had this suspicion of being watched by Hubert for a ways back, now. I have my reasons). 11:00. Wow. What a coincidence. Now this idea was forming in my mind. Listen to the whispers. You already know he says Kill Yourself in the beginning, I thought. So I go home and later that night smoke a joint, or a halfa-doob. (I was alone.) Go inside while I'm home alone and paranoid as hell. Turn on track 7, and the 'binaural waves' begin to calm and set in the shiver.
another fun fact about this night (A great TOOL experience, mind you) is that the heat wasn't working. It was fall.
This song is by no means positive (-), neither was the experience I relate it too.
I listen for these whispers and sure enough they are there. But I can only catch the first few line. The rest seems so substantial I need to find another way. I look to see if they are coming out of one speaker in particular. No. I turn up the volume so loud I hear buzzing in my ears showering the next morning (especially from what later happens.) Nothing seems to be working. I push my karoake button. Ahh..everything seems to go down a tad but the whispers. I rewind and rewind...I still don't know the last thing he says before...oh my god. This shit hit my STONED bitch ass like a ton of fucking bricks. No joke homes. RADICAL REASONS, YOU WOULD DEFY MY MY ONLY REASON FOR BEING, BUT YOU ARE NOT MY LAMB AND MARTYR, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE. SO MANY LIVES, SO MANY MINDS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT. THERE IS NO MISSION, THERE IS NO SERVANT NEEDED...after that what I have is clearly biased and foolish, but I think it goes...You wrote me a letter and waited for me to respond for weeks and weeks...I don't like you.
After this the drums are hitting too hard to understand, but before the descent to "lock the door, kill the light" (which sounds extra creepy in K-mode, btw) he says something that sounds to me like "...because afterall..."
I hated maynard after I digested this. Of course, it took me many listens to understand it all. Though it is up front, it is still hard to hear at points. He speaks in a way that lowers the phonetics or consonant sounds and such, so its hard to hear. But it ain't French, I know that. Some silly-ass Canadian told you that bull.
What also strange, and an excuse to smash down my whole theory, is that the song was written and even released about a month before my whole incident. I have a theory about this too. I don't care to release it at this point. I need to keep my horses on their reins. To make a long story short, Maynard or someone related (not blood, of course) to him, but I'm pretty sure it is him because of content in APC. Very juicy stuff there. (but I see through it all and see you?3libras...Lying all alone and restless. Unable to lose this image, tuggin' a rhythm to the vision within my head, tuggin a beat to the SIGHT OF YOU LYING? Thinking of you. Then there's Thomas- Hoping to reeeeeeconnect to you or into one. Here's Tom with the weather. Watch the weather change.) Am i getting through? Sorry if I'm pissing anyone off, its just this fantasizing about these overwhelming coincidences has been a-plaging me for a while now, but has thankfully been a-hush for a while now. I would love to know for certain, for peace of mind. Fuck-it. I'm Chevy Chase. That's my story and Im stickin-to-it.
-Larry the Lurking Lurker
P.S. at 8:58 in the song he does say Tom...its cleverly disguised, There's more where all this came from. I will rant because these are my two favorite things and how they relate to each other, and I'm not the kind of prick ass loser dreamer ****** tall-tale person who would dream up this kind of crap. I wish it didn't exist, as a matter of fact...no, tats a lie.
__________________ "Brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, vibrations in the mind of the one true god whose name is Love.." -William Melvin Hicks
This is no sound magic either. If you can fish that out of my hazy mess of letters and spaces and words. I push a button. The discovery was destiny, what can I say.
Maynard is a ritual magician. One who performs certain actions such as meditation in conjunction with other ingredients in order to achieve a desired result.
What if, stepping into the shoes of one who practices such things, you stumbled upon a recipe that let you see key or highly emotional moments in another person's life? would you not pursue it further? See if there is a lesson to be learned. What if this is the most remarkable and profound tranzient experience he has dealt with? Put yourself in the shoes I just described and tell me it is not so difficult to imagine. There is much more to this world than the average person is aware of. I knew this before I knew that. I hoped it anyway. If anyone is curious, I could take a spin on almost every little thing. Fuck it, I'll do some whether you are or not.
H. - Without the skin here, beneath the storm. Under these tears now, the walls came down.
Third Eye- Today a young man on acid,...here's tom with the weather.
Disposition - Mention this to me. Mention something, mention anything. Mention this to me and watch the weather.
Change.
Stinkfist (extended) - Normally says relax. Sometimes will say: Come on tommy. You can't hold out on me. You know I love you too much baby... Why can't you see, what yo're doin to me. You know I love you too much baby.
Other things are strewn about in songs such as 46&2, The Patient, The Grudge, and Schism that I can identify with all too well. It makes the music bedazzling though.
APC:
Orestes - Gotta cut away, clear away, snip away and sever this umbilical residue keeping me from killing you. I can almost hear you scream, one more medicated peaceful moment, and I don't want to feel this hole around me.
Three Libras - (basically the whole song, taken word for word and without reading between lines on this one) Threw you the obvious, and you flew with it on your back, a name in your recollection, thrown down among a million same. Difficult not to feel a little bit disappoint and passed over when I LOOK RIGHT THROUGH, and see you naked but OBLIVIOUS. And you don't see me. You'll never see me. You won't see me at all. (how disappointing, m! Oh, thanks for the compliment on the eyes. Tragic but trudging on and hopeful for the future.)
The video for this song also speaks a colon's full. Take note of the little boy...hmmm.
Speaking of colons....
Thinking of You - Lying all alone and restless. unable to lose this image. Sleepless unable to focus on, anything but your SURRENDER. Tuggin a rhythym to the vision thats in my head. Tuggin a beat to the sight of you lyin'. So delighted with your new understanding. Somehting about a little lever that makes that unmistakable noise I was hearing, unmistakable sound I know so well. Spent and sighing with the look in your eyes, spent and sighing with that look on your face like...Thinking of you, thinking of you.
Note the first line. Its a ringer.
For those too dull or unfortunate to make conjectures, the song is a first person account of him as he does whatever he does, and lays back, closes his eyes and finds his unsuspecting pet is rummaging in his butthole (curiousity) with a screw driver, or lever. (lol) Moment Dubbed a surrender to homosexuality. This is not the case. Trust me,
Thomas - Illuminate me. I'm just praying for you to show me where I'm to begin. Hoping to Reconnect to you. (into one)
(Lots of inaudible garble at the end there. As it ends I can make out "dig my diction," and its sounds like a bunch of eager cries, saying "Tommy")
Over - Live Version. The original is likely about what he and I share in this intermittent relationship. Going over and over what you know and have experienced, the ins and outs :). TO the point where it becomes exaustive and overbearing, entrapping, that same old shit, basically. The line "Been over this before" should, in my opinonion, be taken as saying both "been done with this" or what not, and "Gone over this b4." The live version goes a little something like this: Lodidee, Lodidee-da. (could be "follow me") Say what you've gotta say. Be like you want to meet me. Say what you gotta say, put it on the floor. Been over and over this before. So Over this! I've been over this before.
Great song, this live version by the way.
I got hooked by the supernatural beauty of the music and found something entirely more supernatural, and seemingly real. Let me know how you feel.
__________________ "Brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, vibrations in the mind of the one true god whose name is Love.." -William Melvin Hicks
What about what I have said seems dillusional or drug influenced?
I let all the thoughts flow out and thus made a pretty confusing post at times. Fuckit. This is all true and from my heart, none of it is that far fetched if you have lived my life or experienced what I have.
I do like drugs.
Unfortunately, I have been incredibly sober for quite a while now...maybe 1 and a half years now, except for the occassional doobie snack. This does nothing but calm me down, so maybe it's the lack there of. Beats me. Too bad you can't see it for what its worth. Its all real, nothing is fabricated.
If you could pick yourself up from your ignorant position and go through and check it out, you might find yourself outsmarted. Maybe not. Maybe there's no hope in my theory as far as other people realizing its true. It is. Hopefully its not and I'm an obsessive dillusional cling-on looking for a strong sense of identity or destiny. Maybe I have done too many drugs. I've only smoked crack once, though. Oh wait, twice. Shit.
11/23/00 shortened when carving painted cement with a key becomes 11-00.
Live long and prosper. and don't be ignorant.
__________________ "Brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, vibrations in the mind of the one true god whose name is Love.." -William Melvin Hicks
I have heard and do know these things as factual. I am the key to the linking of them
they saw it, and they are trying to reach me on this level. Call it a side project.
The message runs where apparent to the naked ear from 4:30 pr 4:35 until 6:20. If anything comes after or before this, I am oblivious to it.
Could someone at least moderately intelligent respond to what I have written?
Look at about 5:33 and listen for "so many lives, so many minds that are more important......(5:41) there is no mission, there is no servant needed." its there. Open your fuckin ears and quit listening to canadians.
btw, Eulogy goes like this:
4:30 you could be the one to save me from my own existence
4:47 above the crowd, your so scared. I'm scared without him too (or down)
5:20 I'm too smart when your invisible by the bone and the symbol on you, so he bashes his skull through the window overlooking the sea. Twilight amber ego. We were amused by this.
Ooooh Standing above the crowd....
I didn't get this myself, it was on a msg board. I think it fits pretty damn well. Checka checka check it out.
I suppose this is also open to massive interpretation. I think we need to accept that the artist's alone, maybe along with some close confidants, are the only one's who know such things.
The song is a little scary when you're tall, and when you write big long passages like I have.
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I just might be feeding the troll here, but anyway..
tomatoms, I suggest you talked someone about all those things you've experienced. Maybe someone professional. It may seem like the Tool stuff was written directly about your life, but believe me(no pun intented), those guys aren't able to read your or anyones mind. They are not able to see the future or any of that shit. Look, for example Patient could be written directly about me.
I don't believe the things that numb posted, not until he shows us some proof. However, I am curious about that stuff.
Originally posted by tomatoms What about what I have said seems dillusional or drug influenced?
I let all the thoughts flow out and thus made a pretty confusing post at times. Fuckit. This is all true and from my heart, none of it is that far fetched if you have lived my life or experienced what I have.
I do like drugs.
Unfortunately, I have been incredibly sober for quite a while now...maybe 1 and a half years now, except for the occassional doobie snack. This does nothing but calm me down, so maybe it's the lack there of. Beats me. Too bad you can't see it for what its worth. Its all real, nothing is fabricated.
If you could pick yourself up from your ignorant position and go through and check it out, you might find yourself outsmarted. Maybe not. Maybe there's no hope in my theory as far as other people realizing its true. It is. Hopefully its not and I'm an obsessive dillusional cling-on looking for a strong sense of identity or destiny. Maybe I have done too many drugs. I've only smoked crack once, though. Oh wait, twice. Shit.
11/23/00 shortened when carving painted cement with a key becomes 11-00.
Live long and prosper. and don't be ignorant.
i don't think your on drugs, if you were perhaps these connections would be greater and even more complex. i think many fans recognize similar themes, i know everything you said does not seem that far from what i've thought all along. i occasionaly use chemicals to enhance the experience, to me that in no way negates the power of the music and the connections. On the other hand, i too have become obsessed with the power and beauty of this art, and have had to over listen to point of sickness, to try and curb this beast..we are all so amayzed~ by this "supernatural" meaning. When there is nothing odd about what is happening, I imagine TOOL the band as a long book, each album a chapter of course there are connections. most of us havn't experienced art this deeply before. That's all it is, ART you are meant to contemplate the meaning...Don't lose yourself in an idea, use those ideas to create your own art and life...over listen, over thinking ,you know the rest, what's that about leaving opportunities behind. retreat , relax , vacate, vacant, it's becoming you you will lose yourself to the art of regular people. they are talented but not gods..the real message has an opposite affect , effect, sorry if this makes no sense it's what i feel, sunday 7:oo am 2/16/03
there is another interesting thing that has happened with salival. A friend of mine burned his store bought version of Salival and the tracks at the end were totally different. I think, Track 8 was maynards dick, no LAMC, then track 9 was a cover of comfortably numb with no lyrics and the last track was an interview with Adam talking about how he can go out and watch thier opening act with the crowd and not be noticed, and how great that is becuase it shows that they sell their art, not thier images. This odd playlist only registered on one of his CD players, it was an really old and cheap Magnovox stereo.
OK then, lay off the crack. What the fuck is tomatom talking about, those words are not frightening or shocking. What's he talking about? I really can't make sense of anything tardo is saying, maybe someone could interpret his drugged jargon. He'll probably call me a complacent sheep because I don't understand his rant, but hey, I'M NOT FUCKING INSANE. So if anyone else could interperet a word that ass-clown said, it would be very appreci8ed. Oh ya, someone else either backup the french story or the ass-clown's cause I would like to know what the hell he's saying.
i think tom is just refusing to believe that tool would say something like
"Jesus is my friend, he needs me while I need him. It is a circle of the life. No-one is coming home tonight, so go and steal my soul, and make it numb, jesus is me, and I am him."
it must really suck to have your beliefs shattered.. wait, you can always ignore the truth, you can always attack a messenger..
tomtoms, I recall someone else (hopefully not you) saying he said kill yourself.... so if thats so then I believe you sort of..... but I don't want to believe maynard would put a damn subliminal message that says kill youself in a song..... but then you stated rambling about a letter or something....... and i thought well maybe someone wrote him a letter saying how he was gonna kill himself or something, maybe someone maynard knew, maybe a fan that wouldn't leave him alone, maybe this person had been bugging maynard for a long time and was crying for a response to this letter, and this message int he song was his response "kill yourself" "i read your letter" or whatever you said he says....
I don't know, I don't want to think maynard is that kind of an asshole that would tell someone to do that (and not say "just.....kidding") let alone hide it in a song where it could affect the subconcious.....
anyway I listened to this song for the first time yesterday and the whispers were so blatantly there, they weren't hidden very well at all, the only problem is i couldn't for the life of me make out what he was saying...... still I think with some very careful listens maybe I can, and really i'm much more perplexed with the whispers in the left channel of hooker, not the be fruitful and multiply, but after that, throughout the rest of the song, there is whispering, the faq says maybe he is reading a list of items....
oh and i swear i heard whispers in you lied, during the middle, in time with what he is singing, very sublte, possibly just weird delay
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Crack is where it's at, Tomatoms smoked some crack
Anyway, if anyone wouldnt mind checking well... everysong :) that would be cool. Supposedly Tool has been doing this since like Undertow from what I've heard.
Ok... I just reread tomatoms posts for the 8th time and I think I understand crack fiend now. And I have one thing to say... what in the hell were you thinking my friend. You need some help fast. Not in an insulting way, but I'm serious you need to settle down.
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. RADICAL REASONS, YOU WOULD DEFY MY MY ONLY REASON FOR BEING, BUT YOU ARE NOT MY LAMB AND MARTYR, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE. SO MANY LIVES, SO MANY MINDS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT. THERE IS NO MISSION, THERE IS NO SERVANT NEEDED- tomatoms
I can clearly make out the Radical reasons part by unplugging my headphones alittle, it sounds creepy as hell, the rest sort of fits too, but could you please make a clearer post. I am so close
i know this is a no quater post, but were on the topic of sublimianls and such. i have been working around with reholder from APC and if you reverse the song around with an audio program (sound forge 6 does the trick) about 21 seconds into the song maynard talks, and it sounds like he is saying "do you hear me? do you hear me? do you?" i was jsut wondering if anyone else has heard that or for those who haven't heard it you now know about it, but does anyone know what he says for sure?
if you didn't know renholder was named after danny lohner when he sent them an e-mail, they replied re: dlohner take out the space and the colon and you have renholder spelled backwards. supposedly renholder was danny lohner's favorite song, so they named it with him in mind. and the backwards spelling is what got me intrigued into trying the song out backwards and hearing this
Actually, I have Renholder backwards, and he says "Danny Lohner" backwards if you're listening to the song normally. It's pretty easy to pick out in the version I have. I downloaded it, so I don't know how it was done or anything.
