Yeah, thats what i hear too, and it makes sense

Terry, I have to go with Blanket on this one. He's already changing lyrics live, as far as I can tell. During "The Pot," on the first "kangaroo" line, it sounds an awful lot like "juror" on the record, but at Street Scene he clearly said "jury."

And as for the eyes, it's "damn," dammit.

Yes, I won't explain the live thing agan. He might change jury and juror but some stuff people say is making me wanna break stuff.

I understand. I don't think he said "damn" in the studio and then decided to change it to "damp" and "dim" and "jam" live. But I still think it's "damn."

Oh, and on the 'damp' idea: Since we have established that other than for dramatic effect Maynard used the English language well and properly.

So it would be 'Dampen my eyes' and not 'Damp my eyes' - Damp is a descriptor, dampen is a verb.

And this is the creedance that I lend to it *not* being 'damp my eyes', not the definition or the interpretation - it's just bad grammer.

I hear "kneeling." It makes sense in the theme of Provincial Jambi, as Sultan Taha was put in the position of deciding whether or not to swear fealty to the Dutch- an action which requires kneeling as a sign of submission. Given that ancestral homelands are often central to the spiritual beliefs of nations, swearing fealty to the Dutch could mean exactly that- "kneeling away my center . . . " Also, this could be another anti-Christian invective, as swearing fealty to European imperialists often includes acknowledging the truth of the god of Christianity.

Funny - I've seen it several times that by correcting somebody else the word "grammer" is used.

It's grammar.

But for your thing, I've already said this several times:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2425

I do hear that sometimes, too.

Yeah, the other funny part is that grammar and spelling have nothing to do with one another, though they are often associated because of their role in written language. And the illustration was not that I used proper grammar/spelling (though I typically do) - it was that Maynard does.

I looked it up. 'Damp' has no verb definition - that's 'dampen'. The article you cited is simply using more bad grammar. "Damp my eyes" or "Damp forest fires" is incorrect grammar.

Terry -- I'm just checking here -- do you really think it's "damp," or are you just playing devil's advocate?

No, I do not think it's damp. It's totally sarcastic because it's bloody fucking obvious that it's either dim or damn or JAMBI.

No I am fucking serious.

a little input... regarding people's interpretations..

SHAFTED/TEMPTED/SHOUT TO the devil.

I personally think it sounds most like "Shafted".. though I haven't seen that submitted by anyone anywhere... but I don't believe Maynard would use that word.. so I doubt it's that. I can hear why people think "shout to the devil" as well... but unlikely as well... it's probably "tempted"..

the next line also sounds like .. . "and got what I wanted all ALONE."
though, all "along" would be the assumed word in context.


*probably the most significant detail/word people are mistaking is...

"tempted the devil with my SONG."

It's PSALM.

Tempted the devil with my PSALM.


no PROMISE YOU could hold, sway, or justify my... giving away my center.

can you hold a promise?

you're my peace of mind, my all, my Saturn

damn my eyes
jam my eyes
dim my eyes

5:38, SHINED on forever.. (not shine)


one key to figuring out meaning/intent in this song is getting all the tenses correct.

Meh.
I think Maynard is neither equating nor would equate his works as Psalms. He is not making music in service to any God or ultimacy or what-have-you. He sold his soul to make a record, remember.

I'm not generally a huge fan of phoenetics, but "PROMISE YOU" just doesn't fit in the space provided between "no" and "could." Furthermore, what does that even mean? I just don't think that is a complete thought.

Anyway, I hear pressure, and I think that the meaning is pertinent. No pressure could hold sway, or justify my kneeling away my center. No pressure can sway my strength of purpose, and that not-withstanding, neither could such justify my kneeling in a sympolic gesture of subservience when the price is my center. So if I could I'd wish it all away . . .

You're my peace of mind, my Ohm, my center.

Center versus Saturn is debateable, and I personally favor center while conceding the possibility that it could be Saturn. However, I am very swayed by the Indonesian theme of the song, and I really think that it's "Ohm" and not "home."

But does the past tense, shined, agree with forever? Forever suggests without begining and without end, and thus, it seems to me that the past tense has no reference. When a condition is "forever," it would seem most appropriate to reference it in the present tense. No sale. Shine on forever.

i wanted to point out i think he sings "Accepted the devil with my song and got what i wanted all along"
i can hear the 'acc' bit slightly before the "epted" bit and it certainly makes narrative sense don't it? accepted the devil and got what he wanted all along? my logic is undeniable people.
the interpretation of the sound itself might be off, but the lyric makes the most sense it ever has in this case.

The lyric could be saying "shine down forever" instead of "shined on forever."
It is NOT "shine on forever" at 5:42. It's either "Shined on forever" or "Shine down forever."

Psalms makes sense... look it up if you need to.
It's not "song." You can hear the "psALM".

and since you want to be a dick ... like Maynard would refer to a Tool track as "my song."

But he likely would personalize a song referring to it as his Psalm. The meaning is HIS... the song itself, isn't. A Psalm can be defined as a sacred song. Sacred doesn't have to be synonomous with God or a God.

can't hear "promise you"? Oh well. He says it quickly.

It's certainly NOT "pressure" like you think it is. No "pressure" could hold, sway or justify my giving away my center. haha.



You ask how "promise" would even make sense.. or "what that even means?"

The song is about Maynard no longer being swayed by temptation / "the devil" in his life. Probably due the birth of his son who "changed this all for me... lifted me up turned me 'round."

So despite any "promises" made by the devil... there WILL BE NO MORE SELLING HIS SOUL TO MAKE A RECORD. He will no longer succumb to superficial "wants and needs" because he has a different appreciation and perspective for life now.. relative to the past.

So that's how "promise" makes sense... No promise you could hold... as in the devil HOLDING his promise that he'll get this and that.. material shit.. houses... cars.. women.. in exchange for his soul.... but he rejects that notion now... nothing could sway his feelings at this point... no promise the devil could possibly make would be enough to justify him trading what he has now.. which is benevolence, optimism, a son, peace of mind and hope... personally and for humanity.

"No promise you could hold, sway, or justify my giving away my center." That line is spoken to temptation's face... aka, the devil.

Shine on benevolent Sun. The Sun being a metaphor for a source of strength, kindness, perpetuity and warmth.. for human beings.

It's also not coincidental that exactly half way through the song, 3:44... "the 2nd half" of the song begins... different music, vibe and tone. Symbolic of the change he's made approximately half way through his life.

Silence leech and stay out of my way... which means he's no longer listening to the leech, aka, the devil... and stay out of my life.

I'm 90% sure it's tempted. I thought it was something with s when he sang it live, but on another recording he definately sings tempted. And if somebody wants to say now that live he changes lyrics, my argument is, wouldn't it be a strange coincidence that what I definately hear live is from a guess made by hearing the studio version?

OK. Way to ignore the point. You make this condescending statement about how understanding tenses is the key to understanding meaning, and then you suggest "shined on forever?" First of all, the only meaning for "shined" is the past tense for polishing something (shined my shoes, eg). When you convert "shine" (as in the way the sun shines- like in your explanation of the lyric) to the past tense, it becomes "shone," not "shined." So again, I dismiss your claim to having mastered verb tense. And since you see verb tense understanding going hand in hand with lyrical understanding, judged by your standard, you must not understand meaning very well at all.

As to your claim that it could be "shine down" the whole way through, I urge you to give another listen. The second half of these stanzas (if you will) says, "Shine down upon the (broken/severed), shine on 'til the two become one." At the beginning of this reccurring line, he says "shine down," and it sounds completely different from the beginning of the first half of the stanza. When he says "shine on," there is no "ow" sound in the second word, but when he says "shine down," there blatantly is such a sound there.

So, since "shined on forever" would imply that the speaker was having trouble removing tarnish form the silver, and "shine down forever" rules itself out phoenetically, it would seem that we're left with "Shine on forever."

I suppose you have a bit of a point here, "psalm" doesn't have to refer to deity, but it is a word with certain historical context. The original Book of Psalms (the first use of the word, historically) was writen by King David of Israel (as legend has it) around three thousand years ago. Maynard is a well-read person (or so I infer), and probably knows if a word he learned in church so long ago has a religious connotation, and thus he probably wouldn't use it outside of such a context. So I guess the psalm/song thing comes down to inferred context. If these were Vegas odds, I'd have to say "Pick 'em."

I'm not going to analyze your interpretation here, because I would prefer to attack the source. When I asked after the meaning of your lyrical assertion, I meant that your posit lacks proper, grammatical, sentence structure. The way that you array the punctuation, "hold, sway, or justify" becomes a string of three verbs that permutates to the following meaning: No promise you could hold, no promise you could sway, or no promise you could justify . . . But then, where does it go from there? No promise you could hold, no promise you could sway, or no promise you could justify my kneeling away my center. That is not a complete sentence- it is two independent clauses that lack a connection, and when a statment is composed of two, unconnected, independent clauses . . . IT HAS NO MEANING!

Don't apply your poor punctuation and grammar to my assertion. Again, since you obviously missed it the first time:

No pressure could hold sway, or justify my kneeling away my center.

Note the placement of the commas. Now let's break it down like I broke yours down. No pressure could hold sway, or no pressure could justify my kneeling away center. See, unlike yours, mine expands into a complete and meaningful sentence. No pressure could hold sway over my course of action, and no pressure could justify sacrificing my center. I feel that I shoud also add that I could juxtapose "pressure" with "prize here." It changes the context only slightly. With "pressure," the narrator is saying that threats will not change his mind, while with "prize here," the narrator is saying that incentives will not change his mind.

As for "giving away" vs. "kneeling away," the word following "justify my" starts with an "N" sound and has an "L" sound at the middle. There is no hard "G," and there is no "V."

And now, back to this:

Golf clap for your stunning and illumnating wit, Mr. Pot, but when you pissed all over my black kettle . . .

Every one of your posts that I have ever read is teeming with smarmy sarcasm and imbued with an overdeveloped, self-satisfied, superiority complex. You don't participate in diplomatic debate; rather you tell everybody that they are wrong and that they are stupid for not seeing things your way. Normally I would ignore that (as I have ignored you since joining this forum), but when somebody talks some kind of hot-shit, grammarian talk, and then walks me through some of the most piss-poor grammar I've seen in a good long while (no offense to K IN YO MOUF)- and does so while exhibiting such unmitigated dickheadery- I just can't resist. In summation (of this point, anyway), I wish to impart upon you some third-grade wisdom that you seem to have missed in your coming of age: If you can't take it, don't dish it. And if you're gonna dish it, quit your whining when you take it.

*longasspost* I'M COOL BECUZ I'M LIEK MNRD divide the schism into divine pieces,

I said understanding tense is ONE key to understanding a song. So if you're going to attempt to use my thoughts as condescending ammo... at least get it right. I never said I am the "master" or "mastered" verb tense. I said it's ONE key.

At 5:42, he does say "SHINE DOWN FOREVER"... you want to take it up with Maynard, go ahead. I am merely telling you what's being said.

Shine, shone. He's not literally taking about rays of sunshine. It's metaphorical.

Maybe you should write Maynard and break him down about Sober's lyrics. "Why can't we not be sober." See any problems with that grammatically, grammar boy?

Oh, and since YOU ignored the question. Would Maynard refer to a song of Tool's as "my song?"

When did I say it was "shine down" the "whole way through?"

"Shined down forever" doesn't really make sense gramatically... true. I also conceded it may not be "shined down forever." I said "shine down forever" after listening to it further.
It certainly doesn't rule itself out phonetically. Maybe you've ruled it out.

PSALM.
So now Maynard only uses words in the most basic form of meaning, connotation, understanding and association? Incorrect, sir.
Yeah, he must be concerned that the kids won't understand... unless of course, he only uses the simplest meanings and associations for the words he chooses.

Inention, Intension. Different words, but similar concept. Opiate.

I was at the Meadowlands awhile back. A horse named PSALM went off at 1-9.
He won easily.

As for "No promise you could hold, sway, or justify my giving away my center."
You do have a point there... and I could possibly have the commas in the wrong position.. But those commas may be correct, and I may just have the wrong word(s).
So I concede it may not be "promise." Not due to anything you've said... I'm just not steadfast about that particular word because it is fuzzy. I will give more thought to this particular sentence. I assure you it's not "pressure" though. So you can go through a list of words that might make grammatical sense to satisfy the rest of the sentence if you'd like... it does no good when it's the wrong word, even if it makes grammatical sense.

So you had all this pent up anger with me from previous posts... so you thought you'd jump me when you saw that I finally left an opening for you? Very mature and noble, teach.

Maybe I'm Mr. Pot.

You're Mr. Hypocrite.

By the way, Ohm, Home, All. I am not certain about that... just like I am not certain about "promise."

But let me get it straight before I leave this apparent diplomatic debate.. so Maynard probably wouldn't use the word Psalm, unless it's used in a religious connotation. However, he WOULD use a very rare definition and connotation of the word "Ohm!"

Now I know.

While this song does seem to be about general "repentance" if you will. I strongly disagree with the thought of Jambi being about his/a child. Having kids is great, I have 2 and am expecting... however children bring with them the feeling of meaning, strength and purpose, and less of remorse or guilt, or anything of that nature. It sure seems to me to be more of a love song than anything else, as he sings "So if I could I wish it all away, if I thought tomarrow..." sounds more like what you'd say to the woman you hold dear. Espescially(sp) when we know he's talking about "treasures of flesh..." and all. As I say, kids don't make you "feel bad" exactly about your past, such as, maybe a woman would. Furthermore, for said female, a man is sure to "wish this all away" (meaning his past premiscuas(sp) behaviour) Something that children do not really make you feel. Furthermore again, Maynard sings of making 2 become 1. That's selfexplainitorilly pretty grose. Also I didn't see anywhere posted that, at 2:13 he sings "BRAVE like a myrter dusk 'till dawn" it's the brave part that I didn't see anywhere, and to me it's pretty clear. You have to remember that "dusk 'till dawn" is the same thing as "all night long" and so I feel he's comparing the two not as opposites but the same (brave like myrter-beg like a hooker) AANND!! it's dim my eyes! Damnit when Maynerd says Damn there's no mistaking it.

I don't agree with too much you have to say other than it could be "brave" like a martyr... I teetered on that myself.

I just listened to the "no promise/prize/pressure/price (you) could hold sway" line for about an hour straight... haha... and I am more unsure now about every word in that whole sentence than ever before...

the only part I really know is correct is, "or justify my.."

I am gonna figure it out though-

You're my peace of mind, my Ohm, my center.

Ohm? An ohm is a unit of electrical resistance. A word that implies resistance does not belong in between the words "peace of mind" and "my center." Enlighten me, how does the word "ohm" tie in with the "Indonesian theme" of the song? I can't think of a single way, other than it's the sound you make in yoga class during mediation. And I suppose you could associate that sound of the word “ohm” with an "Indonesian theme," if you associate yoga and meditation with Indonesia or something wacky like that. So, stretch it that far, say it's "ohm," ... (which isn't ever capitalized, by the way, unless it begins a sentence). The word “ohm” makes absolutely no sense. It’s not a proper noun or some Indonesian thing. Is it?

What else about this song, besides the title, is screaming out Indonesia? I'm just not sure. Maybe I'm missing it all together. I don't think there is an Indonesian theme simply because the title is a city in Indonesia.

Psalm? I think that's possible.

Let's roll with your Indonesian theme for a second…

In Indonesian life, religion is omnipresent. Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population in the world. Approximately 80 percent of all Indonesians are devout Muslims. In general, Indonesia is a deeply religious nation. Religion is a HUGE part of Indonesain culture.

So, he wouldn't use the word psalm because of the religious connotation? But, he would base an entire song on some “Indonesian theme.” That correct?

“Tempted the devil with my psalm.”

A psalm is a poem of praise. The song is about no longer wanting to succumb to temptation and also no longer wanting to give praise to his own darkest desires, to pay homage to 'the devil.' He will no longer succumb to the superficial. To give into ‘the devil’ and to enjoy the material things/the superficial, is to praise the devil, in essence to worship the devil. So, why not use a word with religious connotation? It doesn’t have to imply a book of the bible. The devil himself is certainly associated with religion, guess that was a bad choice as well if there are no religious connotations allowed. Your own “Indonesian theme” doesn’t work if there are no religious connotations allowed, and neither does psalm.

The thing is, religious connotations are fine. He is ‘religious’ when it comes to his desire to overcome this temptation, so why not use 'religious' words to describe the way his state of mind has changed from the way 'the devil' held him down to the way his "center" lifts him up.

No profit / prophet could hold sway, or justify my giving away my center.

Here from the king's mountain view...
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan I do
on treasures and flesh never few

But I,
I would
wish it all away if I thought I'd lose you... just one day

The devil and his had me Doubt..

In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
but you changed that all for me
lifted me up, turned me 'round.

So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
wish this all away.

Brave like a martyr dusk till dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my PSALM
and got what I wanted all along

But I
and I would
if I could
'n I would
wish it away
Winch it away
wish it all away
wanna wish it all away
no Profit/Prophet could hold sway or justify my giving away my center

so if I could I'd wish it all away
if I thought tomorrow would take you away
you're my peace of mind, my all, my saturn
I'm just trying to hold on one more day..

damn my eyes
jam-bi eyes
dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum.
Wanton needs divide me then I might as well be gone...

Shined on forever
Shine on benevolent Sun
Shine down upon the broken, shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever. Shine on benevolent Sun.
Shine down upon the severed, shine until the two become one.

Divided I'm withering away.
Divided I'm withering away.

Shine down upon the many, light our ways, benevolent Sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

PRAY in union

so,
as one,
survive another day and season

silence legion, save your poison
silence legion, stay out of my way.

Ha Ha, after listening too for hours on I that phrase, it unmistakingly sounds again and again like "No prize you could hold, sway or justify..."
But thats just an incomplete sentance. Therefore, I tend to think "pressure" fits better than "prize you"

Try "prize here". I hear the "I," too, but it seems like it could be misleading. However, if it is an "I" sound, then "prize here" does better to fit the template set by "pressure."

What the hell is going on with this site?!

If it ain't broke....

Ohm<< I think he was refering to either Aum or Om, the Hindu and Buddhist words (respectively) representing the sound of the vibration of the universe. It is the root word in many/most mantras and is considered the core sound at the heart of reality. It would refer to the heart of his being.

Saturn/Center<< My vote is with 'center' - he references his 'fulcrum' later, which is another way of saying 'center' Whereas, 'Saturn' could not hold anything but a negative connotation by any metaphor I've ever heard tied to it.

Sheltered/Shouted/Tempted<< I actually hear 'sceptered', but this is not a certainty and may likely be something different; but, phonetically I hear 'sceptered'.

Pressure/Prize here/Prophet<< 'Prize here' sounds more like it phonetically and 'prize here' would denote that nothing worldly, no prize that he could hold here on Earth could justify him kneeling away the heart of his being. - I just listened to it again and I can hear the 'Z' sound of 'prize' very clearly. It contrasts the other sounds going on in the song at that moment. Try headphones.

Kneeling/Giving<< I'm all for different points of view, but I can't even hear 'giving' if I try to. I hear the 'N' and 'L' sounds of 'kneeling' perfectly with no effort whatsoever.

Wanton needs/Wants and needs<< I will concede that it may be 'wanton needs' but I think it is 'wants and needs' - Perhaps stating that if obligations (needs) and desires (wants) take him in different directions then he is no good and might as well not be there in the first place. Although, 'wanton needs' could mean something along the same lines. This is simply a case of phonetics; literally it could be either.

Shined on/Shine on<< Should go without saying. 'Shined on' is just poor English. Period. I don't think Maynard would do it. It's an imperative statement, not a narrative. He's commanding (literally) the sun/son to shine down. He's not telling us the story of how the sun shined down, in which case it would be 'shone down' - Yeah, 'shined down' isn't really even an option.

There are more, but I've got other things to tend to for the moment. If anyone has any rational, logical, well-expressed arguments against any of the points I've raised I'd love to compare notes.

Kneeling/Giving. It's close. I can hear why people think it's kneeling... but I can also hear giving. Considering that "kneeling away my center" doesn't really make sense unless you really stretch... well, then it still doesn't.
Also, if kneeling does have a "praying" connotation... the "center," his core, would have to be something negative he's trying to rid.

No Profit/prize/pressure could justify him giving it away... implying his "center" is NOT something he's trying eliminate or escape. So why then is he "kneeling?"

I can hear an "s" sound in the "no promise/prize/pressure." But I really think it's just a result of letters clashing and that sound resulting. Sort of "mirage" of the ears.

Try just listening to "Profit/Prophet" one time.. without saying in your mind what you think it is when that part plays.

As for "shined on forever"... (if not Shined on, it's shine down) I am not saying it makes sense grammatically. I am saying that's what it sounds like he's saying. "Why can't we not be sober" doesn't make sense gramatically either. Although I do agree that Maynard is very meticulous with his word choices.. and how things are structured... gramatically or otherwise... it is "art"... and that transcends realms.

How about these for debatables; "Divided, where the hell are we?"
Divided, where the hell are we?.."

silently just say your poison
silently just stay out of my way

this interpritation centers around a drawn-out "si-lent-ly just"
also I hear no V sound in the first line, at all/whatsoever

as for kneeling/giving. It s most definatley giving. I think the whole kneeling thing involves also thinking "center" is "sinner". Nonetheless, "kneeling away my sinner..." is absolutley not what I hear.

This is a little long-winded, but there are some very good points in it, so read it if you're into this kind of thing.

Sober<< Actually, 'Why can't we not be sober?" is a grammatically perfect statement. It's it same as saying 'Why can't we be intoxicated?' - just because it's worded strangely (more specifically, archaicly) doesn't make it an inappropriate statement. It's just not what you're lingually used to. We're taught that double-negatives are innappropriate in school, but that's not always the case. Sometimes a double-negative is the only way to accurately express your intended message.

Kneeling/Giving<< I just hear the long "E" sound too distinctly to think it's 'giving' - now I know 'giving' could be said with an implied usage of the long "E" phonetic sound, but I think 'kneeling' fits my next interpretation better, as well. Although 'giving' would fit, literally, into the following interpretation, also.

Kneeling away my center<< He's not already kneeling, or at least he no longer is. It's not about kneeling as in prayer, it's about kneeling as in paying homage to, like a peasant to the king. Ergo, in the entire context of the lyrics that *I* hear it would mean this: There's no prize that the devil could offer that would hold regard to Maynard or that could justify him being in subserviance (kneeling) to the devil when it contradicts the core of his being and beliefs/ideals (his center). In other words, no prize is worth giving up your soul for - whatever that means to Maynard... The song is describing the realization of that. That nothing the 'dark side' offers is worth giving away your center.

The prophet/prize thing>> I don't have any specific inclination to want to think it's 'prize'. In fact, because I didn't warm up to this song right away I'm only now starting to really know/feel all of the lyrics. But regardless, when listening on headphones (definitely the best medium for hearing lyrics in the vocals) I hear a "Z" sound just clear as day without having to even pay attention to the vocals. It's just (to me) that blatantly obvious that the "Z" sound is there. I could be wrong, but it's just what I hear, loud and clear.

Shine<< If it's *anything* other than 'shine on' then it's 'shine down' - Again, I don't think 'shined on' can be seriously considered, Maynard being Maynard.

That's all for now. Appreciate the dialogue.

Heaven; a kings mountain view. Heaven; a wild dream come true.
Feast like a sultain I do, on treasures and flesh never few.
But I; I would wish it all away.
If I thought I'd lose you just one day.

The devil and his had me down, in love with the dark side I'd foul. (thxmonkey)
Dabble in all the way down, up to my neck so to drown.
But you changed that all for me, lifted me up turned me around.
So I; I... I... I...
I would; I would; I would wish this all away.

Brave like a myrter dusk to dawn. Beg like hooker all night long.
Shout to the devil with my soul and get what I wanted all alone.
But I; I would if I could, I would,
Wish it away. Wish it away. Wish it all away. Wanna wish it all away.

No prize you could hold; sway, or justify my giving away my center.
So if I could i'd wish it all away if I thought tomarrow would take you away.
You my piece of mind my home I said I'm just tryin' to hold on one more day.
Dim my eyes, dim my eyes, dim my eyes if they should compromize a fulcrum.
Want and need divide me then I might as well be gone.

Shine down forever, shine on benevolent sun.
Shine down upon the broken. Shine untill the two become one.

Shine on forever, shine on benevolent sun.
Shine down upon the sever shine untill the two become one.

Divided where the hell are we? Divided where the hell are we?
Shine down upon the many, light our ways benevolent sun.

Breathe in union. Breathe in union. Breathe in union. Breathe in union.
PRAY in union. So as one survive another day and season.
(threedivi's just shown me the light!!THX)
Silently just say your poison.
Silently just stay out of my way.

FREAKEY does anybody else hear a faint yell in the backround after the word just or "legion', there's a sort of "yeah!" it almost sounds like a cat meeow way in the distance?

Oh well that's my take on Jambi.

^ Unless you think he's saying something about chicken's, you might wanna edit "fowl" to "foul" in your above post! LOL.

There's a pretty clear "F" for "Here from..." so I don't think it is "Heaven" at the start, but it was an interesting new suggestion.

I think it's "...dark side I'd FOUND" because this would rhyme better with "down", "drown", and "around" from the next two lines. (Although I know he doesn't actually pronounce the final "D" for "found".)

For the same reason I think the next part is "...the devil with my SONG, and got what I wanted all ALONG".
And to THREEDEVIATIONS: I think MJK can sing "MY SONG" without arrogantly claiming ownership of what is really Tool's song. When he sings there is an act of singing which is his alone. So "my song" could refer to his particular act of singing Tool's song, rather than the song itself.

"No prize you could hold; sway, or justify my giving away my center"
This just doesn't make any sense at all. And I don't hear the "Z". "Pressure" makes much more sense and fits what I hear perfectly:
"No pressure could hold sway, or justify my giving away my center"
"Kneeling" doesn't make much sense here either IMO. And if the line is sung with emotion/intensity the "V" in "giving" wouldn't get fully pronounced, and would sound like "...my GI'IN' away..."

I'm prepared to say that it's definitely not "Divided where the hell are we?". There is a definite "N" for "Divided, witheriN(g) away".
It could be "Divided where the hen are we?" and although this would fit better with your "fowl" suggestion :) I think you'll agree that this is incorrect.

Last point: I initially thought it was "PRAY in union" but on closer listening found myself forced to admit that it is "BREATH in union". Quite certain of this now.

[QUOTE=spacemonkeyadb;1390114]^ Unless you think he's saying something about chicken's, you might wanna edit "fowl" to "foul" in your above post! LOL.

There's a pretty clear "F" for "Here from..." so I don't think it is "Heaven" at the start, but it was an interesting new suggestion.=endQUOTE]

Why would he pronounce "here from" as "heffin"? Which is exactly how it sounds on the cd. He could plainly sound out Here from a kings mountain view. If so desired.

[QUOTE=spacemonkeyadb;1390114]^

I think it's "...dark side I'd FOUND" because this would rhyme better with "down", "drown", and "around" from the next two lines. (Although I know he doesn't actually pronounce the final "D" for "found".)

O.K. found what?

It's ...


Breathe in union.. X 4

PRAY in union.. - the final time.


It's very, very clear. Of all the disputed lyrics.. that's by far the easiest to decipher.

as for "my song"... sure, he can claim it's his song. Just like Adam, Justin and Danny can claim it's "their" song as well. Point is, I don't think it would be too out of line for him to say "my song" in his lyrics... Not that I think it would be arrogant... but I believe that's how Maynard would perceive it.
Moreover, it's just not something he would say. It's a lame and generic lyric.


Anyone else listen for the one time he says "Winch" it away? Winch sung once at 2:50 in- and listen to the big difference between "winch" and the "wish."

wish, winch, wish.

I also think it's "the devil and his had me doubt."

and.. I dont think it's "hold" sway anymore... much more like "hone".. which may mean "sway" isn't right either..

you'll likely need headphones.. and have to listen a few times... otherwise you'll say... "he doesn't say "winch" you fuck!" Then you'll go on to tell me how "winch" doesn't even make sense and blah blah.. and I'll say, "maybe it doesn't make sense yet, but it's in there." and ya still won't believe it-

doubt, winch, hone, psalm

Here from the king's mountain view...
Here from the wild dream come true

Feast like a sultan I do
on treasures and flesh never few

But I,
I would
wish it all away if I thought I'd lose you... just one day

The devil and his had me DOUBT...

In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabbling all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown
but you changed that all for me
lifted me up, turned me around.

So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
wish this all away.

Pray like a martyr dusk till dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long

SHAFTED with my PSALM
and got what I wanted all alone/along

But I
and I would
if I could
'n I would

wish it away

WINCH it away

wish it all away
wanna wish it all away

no PROPHET could HONE, sway, or justify my givin' away my center

so if I could I'd wish it all away
if I thought tomorrow would take you away
you're my peace of mind, my all, my saturn
Just trying to hold on one more day..

damn my eyes
jam-bi eyes
dim my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum.
Wanton need / wants and need divide me then I might as well be gone...


Shined on forever
Shine on benevolent Sun
Shine down upon the broken, shine until the two become one.

Shine on forever. Shine on benevolent Sun.
Shine down upon the severed, shine until the two become one.

Divided I'm withering away.
Divided I'm withering away.

Shine down upon the many, light our ways, benevolent Sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

PRAY IN UNION

so, as one, survive another day and season

silence legion, save your poison
silence legion, stay out of my way.