Yeah i read that, i get what he's saying there. Thats why 10,000 Days seems more passive than the previous albums, it also makes another whole bunch songs he can play live with 'picking those scabs'. I would advise him to never play the Wings songs, i'd hate for him to have to keep picking the scabs over his mothers death..

Picking the scabs is a gross metaphor. And why is he on bad terms with APC exactly?

That's literally the first thing I thought of when he said that APC was basically the opposite of Tool.

Everyone makes mistakes :)

did you say that backwards? thanks for the apology but im not sure what you mean.

maynard wrote every single lyric for both albums. except for Nurse, obviously. and getting worked up is what i thought the internet was for!

what you are saying is that billy had different lyrics written before maynard joined? that i could believe, although it would be surprising.

I really need to get aMotion.

Don't know about the DVD-part, but the remix-CD is dissapointing.

eMotive was awful, so I can understand why the remix would be.

well thats still news to me. i will have to go back and check that out.

Waste of money, I think.

"The Outsider" video ruined my view of APC, pretty much. I saw it and thought "What kind of bullshit is this?"

I really like a lot of Thirteenth Step and some of Mer de Noms, but they're not much compared to Tool.

Although I don't really care for eMotive, I do like a couple of songs which sound really pretty, can't recall the names at the moment.

You shouldn't compare them with Tool in the first place. It's a totally different band. Just because MJK sings in both of them doesn't mean they should sound alike.

No, I don't think they should sound alike at all. That's not what I meant, I just think of them in sort of the same catergory because of Maynard.

I like your avatar, by the way.

I have to disagree with you on this. Placing them in the same category just because MJK sings in both of them? I think that's a bit shortsighted. Billy Howerdell is the creative mind behind APC, not Maynard. Plus musically both bands are not comparible.

It's just like stating that an apple and a banana are in the same category just because they both grow on a tree.

They can be compared musically in some cases.

Yes, that's what is said.

Apples and banana's both grow on trees. They're both fruit and you can eat them both.

So, in some cases, they can be compared. but generally APC is more of a guitar orientated rock band while Tool is more some sort of progressive/art metal kinda band.

Conclusion: they are both NOT commercial pop music. But you don't compair ACDC to Slayer just because both of 'em use electric guitars.

I don't see whats wrong with comparing APC with Tool, i feel like APC is Tools little sister, metaphorically. I hold onto the fact that i listened to APC because I knew it would sound like Tool, and to me, it did.

Agreed.

Yeah, there are some similarities there. I'm not saying that they sound exactly the same or that they even should. I'm just saying that if someone mentions APC, I can't help but think of Tool also. I think many people feel pretty much the same when it comes to these two bands.

Don't get me wrong. I like both bands and i even appreciate Puscifer.

But Tool, imo, is hardly comperable to any band. It's to dark, heavy and mysterious to compair with APC. A Perfect Circle is more mainstream and radiofriendly (i'm gonna get flamed for this)

* puts on heat protective suit *

That's true, but it was meant to be like that so you have no reason to be flamed.

* unzipping heat protective suit *

Good. It's pretty hot in this thing.

haha oxymoron. I think... it would be an oxymoron right?



Also, 400th post

Yeah, I guess......

I figured it wouldn't be quite as hot as getting flamed on the subject.


Congrats on the 400th, Disp!

BTW, whenever i read oxymoron, i always think of a hyperventilating asshole. lol

To me APC and tool are very similar actually.
Musicly Apc is a bit gentler, compared to tool's majority.

Lyricly, APC always seemed more sarcastic and more
aggresive, not in the way it's presented, but the general
words. Maybe the phrase " passively agressive " is
appropriate for a definition?

Tool always seems more like a search for enlightenment.
A search for a means to heal and the divine . . moveing forward
evolving, growing. Still not losing that sarcastic undertow though . . .

To me, like two sides of the same coin.

I think that's fucking lame

Me too

Technically you're wrong. An apple is a fruit because it bears seeds, a bannana is a vegetable because it does not.

Now that's odd

Bananas grow on plants, not trees.

Actually, bananas are fruit.

Funny how this turned into a discussion of fruits and vegetables.

No, they are not. Everybody thinks of them as fruits as do I but scientifically it is only a fruit if it bears seeds. Banannas do not.

Well obviously they teach you lies in the school there at Area 51...then again, maybe it was my public school. Who the fuck knows, Banannas are good and that's all that really matters.

my fave, aren't they beans?

There are actually bananas that do have seeds. Also some grapes have seeds and some are seedless; they are still considered a fruit.

What about fruitcake? Is that a fruit or vegetable?

Fruitcake is just disgusting.

I dunno, it's been so long since I was in school. I swear they taught us that scientifically, it is a vegetable if it does NOT bear seeds...even if on a food chart it is considered a fruit.

Disposition is a fruitcake =-P

Are we done now?

Fuck that banana! It's not even relevant. If you don't aprove, fill in any kinda fruit that does growns on trees.

Get back on the subject, for cryin' out loud!