Would you allow it?

And no it doesnt sound shit IMO.

And you also need to catch up on articles and interviews and the like to find out what goes on in those 5 years.

Maybe they would do well to produce more material. I mean it. They are great musicians and they should take advantage of that. About Maynard... well, if he was capable of recording an album as bad as Emotive, I can't trust his aesthetic judgement anymore. I get the feeling that he is a bad influence for the band.

They wrote the album in 5 months or so, but the lapse between the 2 (Lateralus and 10kdays) was of 5 years. Between Undertow and Aenima there is a 3 years lapse and the latter broke many boundaries. That proves to us that they don't need the obligatory 5 years for writing excellent material.

Jesus Christ.

You people and your, "eMOTIVe was sooooo bad." Everyone who criticizes this album apparently misses the point by a long shot. Was it the most creative, hard-hitting, and inspiring album ever? Absolutely not. Did it change my life? No, not really. Is it a hastily-recorded collection of covers of influential political songs? Yeah, pretty much. It was an emotional statement.

If you understand where the album was coming from, you understand its place and can write off some of the poor quality (which, honestly, it is). But I think almost all the negativity on this forum stems from the political tone on the album.

Maynard is, as much as anyone, a product of his surroundings. If he's moved personally by the current political situation, then he'll write about it. To be honest, I'd rather he wrote a terrible song that actually expressed how he felt than put out an amazing track about metaphysics and spiritual ideals he's lost faith in. If you don't like how Maynard has done it, listen to something else for awhile. No one makes you listen to Tool. And, on the flip side, Tool doesn't owe you anything.

On a sidenote, I can't blame Maynard for being disillusioned with his fanbase more-or-less shrugging off the politics in America. Looking around this forum, I see people who don't care about the future they have to inhabit. Tool fans pride themselves on "being above the average" and being the cream of the crop. Don't tell me you don't take satisfaction in finding the highfalutin concepts behind Tool songs. We're supposed to think for ourselves, question authority, and all that jazz. It's been repeated so much that on this forum it's become a joke to say it.

Questioning authority and looking for your own answers isn't a joke. I don't blame Maynard for being disappointed when he looks at his fans and sees them roll over and play dead. We're fed information by a media that has a blatently visible conflict of interest (hint: look up who owns the news media, and who they contribute money to). We delude ourselves into thinking that we have two choices and buying the default line of, "The democrats and the republicans are the same, anyway, so it doesn't matter." I watch people in the Breaking News forum accept the line fed to them by the media on issues such as immigration, gun control, Islamic extremism, drugs, and war. There are alternatives beyond what's being suggested by the talking heads.

But, I digress.

Since Billy Howerdel had a fair amount of input on eMOTIVe, it's unfair to blame Maynard for its mediocrity.

lets start a war. we'll protest on election day

It wasn't about George Bush, it was about society.

Tool's whimpers of "it takes us 5 years to grow maaaan" are really just Public Relations speak for "we aren't creative enough write any more material". If it actually takes them 5 years to "grow" then they are a collection of 4 very stagnant and sad individuals.

but how many bands today have the ability to continuously make solid albums every 2 years? i can't think of a single one.

either way its a waste. get on it and quit wasting dannys time.

Shut up for once will you? We've heard your complaints. There are more than 5 acceptable songs, there are a whole album full of great songs. Don't like it? Don't listen. Easy as that. But quit annoying us to death with your moaning and complaining.

i like this thread. so much hate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Strongly disagree with your take on Rosetta Stoned but hey, to each their own.

No, the political tone could be right, because the global situation is just awful, but the album is mediocre. You said that yourself.

So you're saying that it's valid to write an awful album just because the "feelings" are true? To know that the "feelings" are true won't make you enjoy the album, will it? Actually I was surprised that some pretentious motherfucker like Maynard took part of something so lame.

No, they don't. I wonder who pays their bills, though? Those millions they have, they came out of the fucking blue, right?

You Americans chose some shitty, schizo, dumbass president. That's your problem.

What the fuck you mean? He participated, he's not a mindless person, is he? He IS to blame if he allows his name to appear in the CD.

You are such a moron.

I like how M'ope didn't respond. I figure he would have blasted back with some reference to an obscure "band" that smashes air conditioners with hammers. Talk about sad and stagnant individuals. Not enough creativity to even make real music.

Speech is composed of different notes, technically i guess it is music.

Acid Mothers Temple, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Animal Collective, Boredoms, Boris, Dalek, Faust, Growing, anything John Zorn is involved with, Lightning Bolt, Melvins, Napalm Death, Nasum, OOIOO, ROVO, Ruins, Sonic Youth, Sunn O))), Ween, etc

That's just off the top of my head and I did not include solo artists, who are usually much quicker to release material.

Right...

Absolutely. Especially since Tool has always sold themselves as being above the bullshit and being in it for the pure art of it all. For them to start writing songs that were insincere would go against the grain.

I can forgive eMOTIVe as it was a group effort between Maynard James Keenan, Billy Howerdel, and Danny Lohner. It was as much a cathartic release as it was a statement on society. I won't get into the redeeming qualities I find in eMOTIVe. But I can let it go as a case of too little time and too many chefs in the kitchen.

No, it came from a strongly loyal fanbase. Same as A Perfect Circle. eMOTIVe was certified gold by the RIAA. That's at least 500,000 units sold. A Perfect Circle fans will speak with their wallets. Tool fans can do the same. If you really think 10,000 Days is garbage, stop buying Tool merchandise. I honestly don't think that Tool would stop making music or change their methods, even if their sales figures droop.

Tool has always said that they're making art to make art. I believe them. I don't know why. I think a lot of the people here have faith in that, too.

Right. Doesn't mean that the rest of the world isn't going to suffer, for one thing. For another, it doesn't mean that anyone should resign themselves to the world around them. Nor should they turn a blind eye toward those problems.

My fault. I should have said that Maynard wasn't the sole participant. Therefore it's unfair to ake him shoulder all the blame.

Because he's a pathetic little cocksucker who craves attention and doesn't care whether it's positive or negative, just as long as somebody notices him.

It's quite pitiful.

Well said. It's high (pardon the pun) time Americans (I say this because everybody outside the U.S already knows it) started to look at your Government and realise just what a greedy, evil, ruthless fucking machine it is. Bush will go down in history as a war criminal and the worst President ever.

Everything the U.S Govt does is in the best interests of a few rich fuckers who pull the strings. They get richer, Bush and his family get richer, Rumsfeld gets richer, etc. Meanwhile Americans die in foreign countries trying to bring democracy to a country that can NEVER be democratic.

Wake the fuck up. America is becoming a joke. You have no integrity, you are not going to be a superpower for much longer (take a look at China). Blame your Govt. And then do something about it.

On subject, the album is awesome.

Sadly, that's very true. You just have to look at all the dead people in Iraq. All for nothing. It's fucking depressing.

Funny how people take the exact opposite view when it comes to the Bible :) :) :) If Jesus were a rock star then he would have had a bigger impact for sure... haha.

I'm not talking about this post specifically, just the whole "people grow thing" and the "hypocracy" thing. Really hilarious. I, for one, completely agree that people grow and their viewpoints sometimes can change. It's an important part of mentally maturing, IMO.

fuck off and die in a series of demon rapes. ahhahahahaha

lol, I don't know but that seems painful.

Wow. Thank you for that post. It means a lot to me.

1. Denial and isolation: "This is not happening to me."
2. Anger: "How dare you do this to me?!" (either referring to a god, the late person, or themselves)
3. Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my son graduate."
4. Depression: "I can't bear to face going through this, putting my family through this."
5. Acceptance: "I'm ready, I don't want to struggle anymore."

My father passed away about four years ago. We didn't have the best of relationships. I continually pointed out what would help him and he continually ignored me. He was a stubborn bastard. When he died, I became numb. The numbness lasted for years.

Recently, I started dealing with it piece-meal. I would allow brief periods of reflection, sorrow and depression. When I listened to 10,000 days, I could not hold back my sorrow any longer. It came on full force. Seriously, it's been a catalyst for me getting to acceptance. I can't say I'm there yet but, I've come a long way in the past month.

Grieving for a parent whom you had a tumultuous relationship with is one of the hardest things I've encountered in my life. But, I'm beginning to see the light.

I love you Dad and I'm sorry.

Thanks for your thoughts Todd. It's my sincere hope that all get to acceptance and learn to live again. We are all in this together.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

:)

Or just lazy fatcats.

You are as confused about that as you are about TooL and their music.

It is not the way band wanted it.

It is better.

Its called "singing"

Are you saying that I'm intimidated? Not at all. It's not even hatred what made me say that. I mean, if I had a president who could have prevented a massive terrorist attack but didn't, I'd call him a shitty president. Anyway if you can't realize how ignorant he is, you probably are an ignorant yourself :)

dude, did you attend grammar school?

An intimidated coward. You hate America the way Americans hate the NY Yankees. Because we are the best :)

Until India and China come out with their little compact cars for like $3000

This is neither here nor there but until there's enough fresh water to go around, China and India will never see true greatness. It's the main thing that holds back their civilization. You think the Three Gorges dam was actually for hydro-electric power? It was so China could have massive control over the fresh water there without the envirnmentalists throwing a fit.