Illness my ass. I'm betting this show was cancelled because of low ticket sales, Maynard did say last night he was still sick but it sure didn't show.
possibly...but my god, they didn't even have this date posted on toolband. what did they expect? if my friend hadn't been at some concert were WJJO announced it, i wouldn't have even known about it.
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Reviews of last night's show said Maynard didn't sing some parts (end of Vicarious). I had an inkling he would be sick tonight, but not cancel! This comes as a shock, and I think Cycloz has a good point...tickets on the third tier were going for $20 which is ridiculously cheap for a Tool show.
Tool didn't come to WI for the mini-tour, and didn't announce this concert until WAY after the other initial stops (Minneapolis, Chicago), so I think there might be more in play here than illness, but for God's sakes Tool played in Green Bay in 2002!
Oh, and the fact that there won't be a make-up show! But hey, Madison isn't the enormous metropolis that everyone in Madison thinks it is, so blah...
fuck that....... i was gonna buy tickets to minnesota then they scheduled this one and i had no need to........
illness in the band my fucking ass, tool is all about the benjamins, FUCK TOOL
I'm pretty sure that Tool cancelling on a venue costs them more than you guys think... I doubt they did this "because of the money" (when they end up refunding all of it anyways...)
well no shit they have to give the money back............ but im sure its not worth the almighty tool's time to play for a half-full venue in wisconsin
Don't let anyone hear that you're disatisfied with Maynard or the band. The Maynard loyalist will suck him off no matter how badly he shits all of over them. Fuck Tool, and their fans.
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yeah its not like maynard is a singer and has to use his throat to hit extremely high notes for a couple of hours.....
there have been reports of him being sick and not singing certain parts of songs, chicago is a big spot so he probably sucked it up for that show, then came off the stage saying he needed a break.
now everyone can crucify him, or understand that this shit happens, its not like he got sick just to spite us for not being a humongous city.
Extremely high notes? Get real. Maynard has a two note range. I think these people are more upset with the fact that their show is cancelled, not postponed. I'd be upset too. Many of 'em bought tickets from third party ticket venues. Chump change for some people, maybe. But an extra sixty bucks still hurts the pockets of college students and the like.
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As of yesterday, there were still lower level seats Row S available. Trust me, ticket sales had something to do with this. They would have rescheduled otherwise. You don't postpone a show a week ago because of illness, continue to play 4 more shows then suddenly cancel a show because of the same illness.
Too many hippies in Madison, if it was a Phish show it would have sold out in minutes.
I'm really pissed that they all out cancelled this show. A group of friends and I spent $1,200 on a luxury box suite to rock the show out in style. I'm a huge Tool fan and I've been looking forward to this show ever since it was announced at WJJO's Band Camp. I've been talking about it non-stop. It's one thing to have a make-up date; but to cancel it all-together. I'm pissed. I'll be bitter about it for a long time. Even though we're getting a full refund, I can't help but feel like I've been bent over and done dry. It's just like a big band like Tool to screw over the fans that made them what they are.
My SA show was postponed, but they played the Houston and Dallas shows before and after. Funny that SA was the only city cancalled (the city with the lowest population). I'm not saying it was a factor in the decision, but the correlation is there. Of course, you could make that sort of vague connection to anything.
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A lot of people (the members of Tool included) don't take that into consideration. Friends of mine (with little income) missed school and drove five hours to the SA show. And they cancelled the day of the show. I think Maynard's even taking the harvest season off before he comes back this way (pussy). You'd think for all the money they make, they'd show a little consideration to their fans.
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I hear ya spookster, I had 2nd row seats, but I've seen em 3 times this tour so I really feel for the people that this was their one show to see Tool this tour.
Im pretty sure that these both play into effect here. Maynard already postponed a show because of illness, this was cancelled because Tool doesn't want to double back for a venue that isn't near full. Also, no offense to any Wisconsinees(??) but I don't think that Maynard would want to do further damage to his (throat) for a less than half full show.
Come on, this is more about the amount of tickets sold then it is about illness. Sick in San Antonio, then play Dallas, Kansas City, Minneapolis, and Chicago, and then sick again?
I understand Maynard isn't feeling the greatest but this is about the ticket sales. I bought tickets to Chicago on Monday night, then a month later, the Madison show was announced, sold my tickets for Chicago and got Madison tickets. This show (in hindsight) was doomed from the start. First, why was it added so late? Second, after deciding to get rid of my Chicago tickets and get Madison tickets, it looked as though the only place to get Madison tickets was through a broker for beaucoup $ (which I assumed meant it was sold out).
Then two weeks ago, Ticketmaster sends me an email that says "Don't Miss Tool at the Kohl Center in Madison." LOTS of seats still available. Why couldn't you get them three weeks ago is my question?
So, now I won't see them, and it sucks big time. Add in that I had Chicago tickets, yet chose to attend the venue a half hour away instead of two hours with traffic and I am one pissed off dude.
And for anyone not familiar with Madison, there is no reason this show, if handled right from the beginning couldn't have been sold out. It was not advertised enough, and the aforementioned ticket distribution fiasco is the reason.
Listen people. Tool cancelled and it sucks. I think there may have been SOME ticket sales considerations here (Maynard would have to be a little more sick to cancel a Chicago show) but that's the breaks...OKAY?
The reality is that these four guys are regular musicians, their music strikes a chord with people, and now suddenly thousands upon thousands of people are making huge plans around the ability of these four people to play a show at a specific time. Things happen, and I'd much rather not see a sub-par Tool show.
I definitely agree that not scheduling a make-up show hurts, but maybe they'll come to Madison during the next tour and give us some rarities (tracks from Undertow, etc.). Who knows. Still know that Tool is a good band, alright?
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yeah it really was doomed from the beginning........
im in the same boat Palp, i had tickets to minnesota and when they announced this show i got rid of them for madison tickets........ i mean why add a show halfway through the tour if you're not going to honor it
Extremely high notes? Get real. Maynard has a two note range. I think these people are more upset with the fact that their show is cancelled, not postponed. I'd be upset too. Many of 'em bought tickets from third party ticket venues. Chump change for some people, maybe. But an extra sixty bucks still hurts the pockets of college students and the like.
two notes, covering the three octave harmony he has going on in rosetta stoned.
most singers cant even dream of hitting two octaves above a middle c, like he does at the end of bottom, or consistently hitting the high a that maynard sings in almost every song.... but thats off the subject.
this hits me as hard as anyone, being a shit poor college student, but come on guys all these people saying fuck tool they suck and dont care about fans just sound selfish.
not really........... if they had cared about their fans they wouldnt have scheduled a show they never planned on playing...... or by rescheduling this show might have been a nice gesture
and nobody said they suck.......we've just been saying fuck tool
You have got a bad attitude about this. As much as I am crushed by this, you got to lighten the [no] up.
trust me man.......... im a huge fan got my tickets the second they went on sale, have been getting super pumped for this show for like two straight weeks..... one of the tool cds has been in my cd player nonstop for the last week
ive seen them live ONCE only and i had tickets for the minne show but sold em........
this fucking ruins my day!
They did not "plan on not playing" in advance. Maynard is sick, he tried last night in Chicago, and he said he can't sing tonight.
EDIT: They booked the show; that proves they were going to play it. Cancelling doesn't prove anything other than 'Nard is unable to perform. That, or a conspiracy involving God-knows-who-else booked a basketball stadium then refunded everyone's money back to them for $0 profit (mostly likely losing money on man power, promotion company fees, etc.).
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We know Maynard is sick dude. I'm saying last week when the postponed San Antonio, you don't think they circled Madison's date due to the low ticket sales etc and if he wasn't feeling better the show wouldn't happen? That's just common sense. Does it matter? Well, I wouldn't have taken today and Wednesday off of work to sit online and play poker.
Damn I guess it was too good to be true, with my front row tickets. And just last night I was reading the Chicago reviews and was really looking foward to hearing Wings For Marie/10000 Days, one of the greatest songs EVER.
I think the thing that pisses most of us off (myself included) is that they just cancelled it without rescheduling it. What a fucking joke!!! Why are they rescheduling the San Antonio show but not the Madison Show. What; we're not good enough for them? Last I checked, my money is as green and everybody elses.
Poor ticket sales for this show were the fault of the Promoter's poor advertising.
Also, there are many large concerts that come to Madison and sell out with no problem. It's not because we are in po-dunk Madison that they didn't sell enough tickets. It's because nobody fucking knew about it. The only reason that I knew about it is that I happened to be at JJO Band Camp when they announced it.
Bottom line -- If they gave two shits about us as fans, they would reschedule.
My SA show was postponed, but they played the Houston and Dallas shows before and after. Funny that SA was the only city cancalled (the city with the lowest population). I'm not saying it was a factor in the decision, but the correlation is there. Of course, you could make that sort of vague connection to anything.
San Antonio is actually a bigger city (population wise) than Dallas, it became the 2nd biggest city in TX a couple years ago. i have tickets for the s.a. show, thank god were at least getting another concert, so sorry to you madison people. :(
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The pataronizing of Maynard on this forum is incredible. Maybe the dates have been conicidental, but that's a hell of an accident. That's the accident equivalent of 300 counts of date rape. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just going to take one hell of an explanation when you get caught doing it. Not only that, but, what the hell do you care if people are angry? They have a right to be. It's not selfish, or self centered. The million dollar pre madonna refusing to give up his harvest season, refusing to reschedule his shows; that's self centered.
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San Antonio is actually a bigger city (population wise) than Dallas, it became the 2nd biggest city in TX a couple years ago. i have tickets for the s.a. show, thank god were at least getting another concert, so sorry to you madison people. :(
That may be, but the AT&T center holds about two thousand less occupants than the AA center.
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