Titles are just a means of referring to the song.

I'm pretty sure you and I think the same way on this. I was just reminding him that the titles don't mean anything when stripped of their relationship to the music, and thus its foolish to even start to judge them before youve heard the record.

Oh I'm pretty sure you and I feel the same way. I seem to recall seeing your name a lot in these discussions and thinking to myself "This guy is really gonna appreciate the album." But yeah, I agree that since we have titles, it doesn't make sense to judge the record already. I still stand by my notion that Rosetta Stoned is too juvenile sounding for my liking. It's like some stoner decided he wants to sounds intellectual. Having said that, I haven't heard it in context and since it's apparently about some secret, I just have to wait and see.

Agreed. You're one of the most reasonable and logically minded posters on the board, which I appreciate.

Give the titles like Rosetta Stoned a chance--I have a feeling that some of the titles that seem kind of mundane will actually be the most brilliant because what they represent will be something none of us expected.

Oh I'm gonna give it a chance but it just seems blasphemous to do that to such a significant artifact. I don't mind anything else. Personally, I rarely think about how the title refers to the song unless it's obvious. Parabola? Let's see...I graph 4x²+9 and I get......recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing..........nope sorry. Song titles are almost worthless to me except like you said, referring to the track.

I can definitely where you're coming from about it being blasphemous--though I can't say I feel very strongly about the Rosetta Stone.

As for what you said about Parabola--I laughed. Go over to the Album forums and peruse through some of the ridiculous connections people try to make between titles and "profound meanings". You'll get a kick out of it.

Yeah I'm not sure I really care about the stone either, it's just the principle.

I'd rather not read through all that. It was bad enough reading that guy's lengthy explanation on how Maynard was talking to him in those barely audible pieces in No Quarter and Eulogy.

I'm posing this question not to start a fight. but seeing as how half right now dislike the album, and the tracklisting, and the artwork, and the other half embrace it, what if it gets switched? Like the band says "oops, we changed it" and we have totally new information like on the 13th or something....how will everyone feel then? I'm not saying its going to happen, but as we all know, its definitely a possibiilty. And who's to say that if there is a new set of information, that any of us will like it better.

I guess its not too much a real question...I don't know.

I think you know but I'll say that I don't care unless they change the date.

i used to troll the shit out of these forums.

people do say some rediculous shit. honestly, I think most of the whole mystery thing is an image. its a way to make teenagers think they've stumpled on to something only they know of, its a chance to be overly pretentious and know it all.

my favorite was this crazy bitch talking about 11:11 and the power behind it.

maybe I was just being trolled myself though, it sounded too dumb to be true. then I googled 11:11 and there were some unintentionally hilarious websites devoted to its power.

Correct on all counts, except that it's not just teenagers...unfortunately.

i found that thread with that one insane chick

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=8128&highlight=11%3A11

i played in a band with a drummer who is a paranoid schizophrenic. a lot of what this chick says sounds like what the drummer would tell me about 2 days before he'd end up in a psychiatric hospital.

he gave me this book, The Language Crystal, all about the signifigance of 666. It made absolutely no sense and was a total mind fuck.

I won't care then, either.

I refuse to get excited, disappointed, or pissed off about anything until it's in my hands and I can hear it.

i don't understand why people want to continually complain about the track listing, artwork etc. After looking at all the previous song names and comparing them to the list we were given for 10,000 Days I personally don't think that the tracklisting is real, however even if it turns out to be the real tracklisting, I'm still not going to cast judgement until I hear the music. Because in the end it doesn't matter what the song name is, it's about what the music says.

as for the artwork, i'm sure tool could give a fuck if you like the album cover. if you're disappointed with it go buy an album cover that makes you drool.

an example: the mars volta.....worst viedos ever, worst artwork ever, worst album names ever>>>>my favorite band. along with tool.

to me is just the music. and the lyrics.


(if you want a better logo is because you want to buy a t-shirt and look cool, you stupid kid)

Me too. I'm not disappointed with anything... How can I be? I havent heard anything. I havent seen anything in my hands. I dont understand why anyone can actually be disappointed in the lack of information. Who gives a shit? It'll be here in 3 weeks.

Obviously if he wasnt doing what the band wanted him to do, he would be fired.

I don't really like the logo. I like the artwork and most of the track titles, with the exception of Right In Two but I'm sure it'll fit the song.

The logo has me wondering what Kabir meant by "F()OL LP" being significant.

what I want is for there to be info about THE BAND in the THE BAND'S monthly newsletter....

They're releasing their 1st album in half-a-decade, and instead of info about the album or tour, we get a detailed account of some f*cktard's camping trip out in the middle of the f*cking desert...

And if you can't come up with a good reason for the band's newsletter to be filled with this crap, then please, sit down and shut the f*ck up

what info do you need?

the tour is gonna be announced soon i supposed, and the album is on may 2

what else do you need?

repeating myself for those who can't read, I want info about THE BAND in THE BAND's newsletter...

when I tune into watch football, it's because I want to watch football, not g*ddamn figure skating....

And when I read the Tool newsletter, I want info about Tool...not the adventures of some jerkoff who has nothing to do with the band or it's music...

I enjoy the newsletters. I always see them as a way for the band to educate their fans and get them to think, rather than a place to get info on how many times maynard farted in the previous month.

Think what would happen if the newsletters were just about Tool... Half would be blank, how much can go down in a month during a year break from touring? Buttkiss, narda, nothing. So what do they do? The try to educate their fans. No other band does this and i am bloody gratefull for tool doing it.

Having said that, this close to a release is quite frustrating, and i can see where you are coming from.

go - get - a - life !

why - the - hell - should - we?

Or Maybe, Just maybe your letting them think for you. You know there are many other things to explore besides what tool is into...

Oh my god, really?

You trying to say that i get all my information on the earth and such from Tool Newsletters? ...that in itself is closed minded. Of course I educate myself anyway i can, from a wide array of different sources. I didn't think it was applicable to list all of them when i was merely refering to one source of information.

And that's far from the point. The point is Tool are educating their fans on things that they may not have knowledge on, they give them just enough information to get them interested, then they can search and make their own discoveries. They're merely broadening their fans knowledge, and i see nothing wrong with that.

Calm down buddy, I did say maybe. I'd say you schooled me.

its weird to see that kind of open mindedness in this forum, huh? Someone admitting they were wrong...

OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD THE MUSIC YET

WTF is wrong with these people?

I'm scared.

*runs and hides behind you*

I can't wait 'till this album comes out and everyone who hated everything about it starts sucking Tool's dick and proclaiming how godly every single last inch of the album is...

...i bet you they will all do it.

Here here! *raises glass*

I LOLed.

I know that they will not dissapoint, as always. I'm just waiting for the music. Once it comes out, Tool will be getting so much head from TDN. If I were in the band I would do exactly what they are doing and watch TDN just to laugh. I bet everything they do to fuck with their fans is really just to fuck with some of the people on this forum

Well put, thank you! Couldn't have said it better.

Just sit back, relax, grab a beer and chill the fuck out. We'll get it eventually.

Couldn't have said it better myself (well, have a joint with that beer)

but I want it now

NOW NOW NOW GIVE IT TO ME GIVE IT GIVE IT TO ME I WANT IT NOW I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW

All in all it comes down to one point its tool they wont dissapoint.

On my way. See you guys later.

we are lame

dunno

weve got as much info as is pertinent at this point

some people want lyrics...what good are lyrics when weve never heard the song?

some people want the whole experience spoiled for them by a website.

personally i like blair's approach to his newsletter duties. he doesnt just shower us with "maynard said this...and then adam said this... and then we ate cookies and milk" he actually tells a personal story and weaves in some subtle clues and details and actually clues us in on the mythology or themes the band is currently exploring.

of course we run the risk of being led astray down a path of irrelevance but can you honestly say youve read a blair newsletter and NOT been made privy to at least SOMETHING you werent aware of before?