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This board is hardly a microcosm of the real world. Let's just remember that.

Everyone I know in person who has purchased the album is quite fond of it. It's not everyone's favorite just yet, but why should it be? They just got it! I was in denial about Lateralus for about 3 months. And I don't love the new album as a favorite just yet. But this disrespect and saying Tool failed and all these dismissals of the band as no longer relevant and all that shit are really sooooo impetuous.

And I don't care how well people think they can judge a good album even after a month's listen, how good their supposed first-instinct is, it's just not possible to fully realize an album's worth after such a short amount of time. More than a few of my favorite albums didn't become such until several months later. And I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying no one is that good. And if you have that big of a head, well, I wouldn't trust your opinion anyway.

You can't grow to love anything, as someone else put it. I know this guy who's been trying to brainwash me into liking Godsmack and Crossfade every time I go over to his place. Sorry, not going to happen. I'm not trying to bash your opinion of the album, you're entitled to it, but the idea that you can learn to love anything just by hearing it long enough is total shit.

It's not wrong to dislike it, but in my opinion it is wrong to dismiss it based solely on how you feel it stands up to past works and to tell others to not even bother because you think it is shit.

And not all of this is directed at the poster I quoted. Only the first line I wrote, actually.

i think there is a secret locked up in viginti tres... you hear the part when he says 'THE SYSTEMMMMMM' ... i bet it continues to exaplain how this is actually a system of a down album which SOAD had to release in TOOL's name coz SOAD's label wouldnt let them have creative control and so had to release mesmerize/hypnotize, the Nu TOOL album 6/6/06!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!1111 - just a theory

oh shit Blair just posted this:

Bilboran
Out 6.6.2006.
Belive

I have a penis too.

Sorry buddy, but the best way to describe this album is the joke I heard yesterday...
And in other music news, Tool fans eager for a new release to the band's 2001 masterwork Lateralis got their hands on the first new album in five year today as the band released Caress of Steel, I mean, Coda, I mean, Adore, I mean, Lullabies to Paralyze, I mean, 10,000 days.

What's Lateralis? Is it better than Lateralus, oh fuck please say it is.

Honestly I think its a good album, The first time I heard it it wasnt what I expected so I was like fuck. MY wife felt the same way too, but after just listening to the album open minded just one more time (second time), without doing something other then listening (or maybe drawing , thats a good way to listen to tool) I started to really like it. It wasnt what I expected but it seemed to change from Lateralus a bit as I have changed since i first heard it, its more mature and into the real world, rather then taking tons of hits of acid and considering the existence of god.

Another thing to consider is how old where most of you guys who say
it didnt change you as much as Lateralus, when you first heard it ? (Lateralus)

Shit I was probably 16, and I was way more vulernable, and more easily lead to follow the media, and honeslty Lateralus is easy listening, the reason its considered so epic is because you can dig deep in it, but you dont have to, to enjoy it.

with 10k days you expect it to just instantly be easy listening, well im sorry that this record wasnt engineered to your grandmothers taste in music, or your 13 year old brothers, if you dont like it, take it back, give it a try again in 4 years, I think you may see more in this album then.

WTF?

I couldnt agree more. For me listening to a tool album is about experience and that experience becomes more meaningful each time you listen to that Album because you understand more about it. Don't give up after one listen just because it was not up to your expectations.

Apart from the last track I think its great. Alot of shit gets released every week and if only some of it was only as half as good as the new Tool album..

System of a Down owns. They're no Tool, but that is an unfair comment.

Two things:

If you heard that from a disc jockey, you should know better...

And that could only be funny/condescending from a very narrow point of view. Lullabies to Paralyze, Caress of Steel and Coda -- an unfair comparision because this was previously recorded material released after the band broke up -- rock. Can't argue with you on Adore though. My wife loves it, lol.

I'm not sure it's lazyness but there is something yes....some problems inside the band or.......I think taht on 80 % of the persons who like 10.000 days, there is a good part who are disapointed nevertheless.... Let's talk about this in 6 months, I think we need time but I'm pretty sure that in 6 months there won't be so much persons who consider this album as a masterpiece....

Eyeshot.

Perhaps. But I see good things for 10,000 days in the future.

Do you really think tool, especially MJK give's two shits? He makes music because its what he likes to do... he doesnt give a shit what you think.

Most bands (metallica) would care, however tool is a different breed. You should know that.

If they started making music based on what they think the fans want to hear, we truly would be witnessing the death of Tool, and the birth of yet another shitty radio band.

I don't think any of us want that.

edit: And did anyone besides me see this?:

Is this guy talking out of his ass, or is that really posted somewhere? Because I don't see shit on Toolband.

Undertow doesn't sound like Opiate; Aenema doesn't sound like Undertow; Lateralus doesn't sound like Aenema; 10,000 Days to me at least sounds like a mix between, Undertow and Lateralus.

true

I don't think this album is inspiring, like Lateralus ("I choose to be"; "all this pain is an illusion"), nor a deep introspection, like Aenima ("the snake behind me whispers"; "it's not enough, I need more"). Each of those albums also seemed to have closely related themes. Aenima seemed to be about dealing with addiction, while Lateralus seemed to be about putting your addiction behind you and finding meaning in the world. At least to me, that was how I viewed them.

But what happens after you move past addiction and find meaning in the world?...

I have no idea. That's usually where the movie ends and the cowboys run off into the sunset. This album seems to have a collection of songs about different topics without an overall theme. It seems to me like the band sacrificed the overall mood, theme, sound, and structure of the album (their strongest points, and the most important things in my opinion) in order to be "progressive" and try some new stuff. Also, the album seems to reflect their new found relaxed attitude. More like, "let's just jam and see what happens".

This album seems more like a collection of good 60s/metal songs than like an album with a theme that flows together. I look at it like writing a story. The thing that always comes first is the plot. You have to have good internal and external conflict. That's kind of comparable to the music. It has to flow together. I don't think this album flows together. It's more like a collection of short stories than a novel.

Next most important thing is the theme. From my point of view, I want people to gain something from reading my story. I want them to read it and for it to have an impact on the way they look at life. This album doesn't really have a theme.

On this album they seemed to put musical ability above sound. The problem with this is...they're not the best musicians in the world. If I wanted to listen to technical ability, I'd pop in Dream Theatre. There are alot of musicians out there who do the whole technical ability thing better.

ALDARAIA!!!



































05/16/06

are you serious?

WTF is wrong with all of you?

"I guess there is a third group of people who think tool suddenly got lazy with song writing after lateralus."

Or possibly yet another group, thinking that Tool progressively got lazy with songwriting after Aenima and that Lateralus was 50/50. There was some great stuff on there - mostly Lateralus itself, but also The Grudge and maybe Disposition. But there was some very lazy songwriting too (Ticks & Leeches, which is almost like what you'd write if you wanted to parody the cliche "Tool song" with the heavy start and ethnic middle, or Triad which is basically just one idea jammed out for a few minutes) and some poorly executed stuff (The Patient, in which Danny plays his arse off trying to make the band take off but nobody else moves).

Here's the thing: I loved Aenima on first listen. It made me want to listen to it again, straight away. And every listen made me love the album more. I loved Lateralus on first listen, even though I knew I had immensely high expectations of it - I was grinning from ear to ear maybe 30 seconds into The Grudge, despite putting it on rather apprehensively.

10,000 Days? Much lower expectations. After getting friendly with Lateralus for a couple of years its flaws have become much more obvious, so the expectation was that Tool would deliver something a little worse this time. However they've managed to utterly suppass those expectations by delivering something I'd be embarrassed to hear from a bunch of high-school Tool-ripoffs, at least on a writing front. First listen was a sinking "Wow, this is a hell of a lot worse than I expected", and every one since has just been more and more damning as I spot more lazy riff-recycling, directionless amelodic moaning and chanting, the eternal use of Danny's "it's so ethnic, dude" tabla patches and so forth. And the song structures become more clear and it becomes more obvious that the emperor really does have no clothes.

Frankly, I find it utterly, utterly boring. There's no notable new direction in the music, it just doesn't sound like old Tool because old Tool were inspired and had excellent ideas. This is just backward-looking navel-gazing with no hooks, increasingly crappy guitar lines and Maynard continuing his long trip to tedious directionless keening that he's gradually departed on over his time in APC. It seems like every album that Adam and Maynard are on sees them come up with less and less striking, interesting ideas.

I'll leave you with some lyrics. Not Tool ones for a change around here.

"A record aint nothing if it's not touching, gripping, draw you in closer make you want to listen to it"

Damn right. And by that yardstick, this record really isn't cutting it. It's actually got to the stage of being repellant.

Radiohead works like that. They nail a certain sound on the album. It gets you excited for the next album. So what do they do? They change it up completely, and its nothing like what you expected.

I admire them for that. Be unpredictable.

The essence and feeling your looking to identify with will come out after time.

"Radiohead works like that. They nail a certain sound on the album. It gets you excited for the next album. So what do they do? They change it up completely, and its nothing like what you expected."

and look how shitty their recent albums have been.

"I admire them for that. Be unpredictable."

so being unpredictable should trump the music?

Well it has to be unpredicable and GOOD. Obviously.

But I love the 10kdays so it isn't really an issue for me. I loved it as soon as the firs minute of Vicarious was over.

I hear this kind of stuff all the time. "Oh their earlier stuff was better".

WHY?! People cling on too much to a bands first or second record. Learn to accept change. If there was no change we'd all be listening to classical music today.

Yes by all means no more intellectual bullshit please. That is the last thing anyone would listen to Tool for.
I go to avenged sevenfold for my intellectual stuff. I go to Tool for my all out rockin' out needs.

You're a fucking idiot. So the argument is -- if you cannot make better music, you cannot criticize it. Under the guise of this theory, I can't sing better than the backstreet boys, so I'm not justified in my judgment that their songs suck.

Now u go to ur room bad boy and dont ever again listen to any tool or any music other than korn...people like u have destroyed music and still do....warn Tool lol what a clown

I dont like the BackStreet boys but alot of people did. Those people thought BackStreet Boys were amazing. That was there opinion.

So what makes their opinion worse than yours, or yours worse than theres?

Opinions are opinions.

It's not a matter of whos right or wrong. Its only opinion. If one group likes Tool and another like the BackStreet Boys, or Green Day, then all those groups will have to coexsist. This is something you should learn to deal with.

What he's suggesting is that people are trying to come off like they know hordes about music. Their criticizing a bands work when they can't probably even play a chord on a guitar. His statement makes sense.

If you can't do it, then you need to find some form of constructive criticism.

EXAMPLE: I'm not a great guitar player, but his guitar volume seems a little high, they should have brought that down.

But no, people have to be like "Ahhh man he's using recycled riffs he sux, this new album sux".

GTFO. Those people should be assassinated. By me.

I think u and i are the same person..could it be?

funny, i always thought that aenima was their best lyrical album. there doesn't seem to be many people on these boards like that, though i might be one of the few here that was already 15 when undertow came out. i've always liked TOOL because they are not radio-friendly (i enjoy albums more than singles), and they do what they want. that's what they've done here.

i think a lot of people tend to like albums that got them into a band best. that's why they tend to cling to the older ones. when a band hooks you with a great album, it's hard to exceed those expectations because you are so into them already.

This is the most accurate review of 10000 Days I've read, from a true TooL fan.

Again, if TooL keeps this up their true fans will depart and they will be left with the same crowd that still likes Metallica; low-standard, tone-deaf poser fanboys.

Why would anyone want an album that sounds like the last two?

You don't HAVE to listen if you don't like it.......

Well if your opinion is that the album isn't as good as it should have been, then you must be right. Let us all who think the album is superb throw our own opinions to the wayside and follow you!

After all, it's hard to argue with your cunning use of lyrics.