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Re: Frustrated with the Lack of Musical Exploration
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Originally Posted by paraflux
This "same shit" is a hundred times better than any set that another band could come up with. What's killing me is the lack of appreciation for what we are being given. You guys are being like a bunch of bitches who are just like GIMME GIMME GIMME, trying to take more than the band is willing to give.
Lack of musical exploration? More like lack of musical appreciation imo.
Well put - its so fuckin thin out there and yet some of you ingrates still have the balls to complain - give your heads a shake and realize how fortunate it is that they're still together, still putting out brilliant new material and still touring.
Pay much attention to the attrition rate and longevity of solid bands? To the shite that the one's that are still around put out?
You'd be hard pressed to count 5 over the past 15 years that haven't collapsed, turned into pure jokes and/or continue to roam around as pathetic, geriatric side shows.
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Originally Posted by paraflux
I was pissed when they didnt play reflection at the Houston show the second time they came around for the Lateralus tour. It was short-lived, for I reminded myself that to be pissed was to be greedy and ask for more than they were willing to give. That's shit an infant does.
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Originally Posted by Fit4Demolition
they just started this tour, things will change. how long did they tour for Lateralus? how long have they toured for 10,000 Days so far? the two arent even close yet. i bought tickets to this leg of the tour because i want to see Tool again, i dont really care if they play the same songs again, they were good. ive only seen them once so far so to see them twice on this leg of the tour is a great thing for me. it would really be nice to see them twice with two different setlists, but if its still the same setlist that they played at teh Tower, i wont mind too much. i'll just have to wait until the winter or whenever they play again, which almost surely will be a different setlist with a bigger stage production.
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Please shut the fuck up.At least you are going to get to see them.I won't get to see them til next year sometime,since they're not coming to the South.Just go and have fun with the experience,it's not like you've ever been there before.Sounds like to me your just a fake type of person anyway,so I'd just sell the tickets and go to some Green Day show.
So deps walking dow the street and finds a $20 bill laying on the ground.What's his first thought?
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I wouldnt consider it anything more than a silly rumor.
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Re: Frustrated with the Lack of Musical Exploration
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Originally Posted by Weapon
The set followed a certain theme, and there's a reason for that.
the only theme was "these are our most popular songs". there was no fucking theme...don't be ridiculous.
the lateralus shows had a theme...which came to a thundering conclusion when they closed their set with lateralus. They had an even more elaborate stage setup and yet they still managed to play two alternating setlists, which were also changed up every time they came back around the U.S.
lateralus tour: 10/10
10,000 days tour: 6.5/10
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Originally Posted by resonance.
Maynard pwning that guy is hardly the coolest part of the video :P
if the video where he fucks up parabola and the one where he fights a fan were one and the same, i would approve very much.
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Re: Tour complaints -- brokers, scalping, etc. (merged)
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Originally Posted by YURAKAPTIV
Please shut the fuck up.At least you are going to get to see them.I won't get to see them til next year sometime,since they're not coming to the South.Just go and have fun with the experience,it's not like you've ever been there before.Sounds like to me your just a fake type of person anyway,so I'd just sell the tickets and go to some Green Day show.
So deps walking dow the street and finds a $20 bill laying on the ground.What's his first thought?
Re: Frustrated with the Lack of Musical Exploration
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Originally Posted by paraflux
Listen to yourself. They need you to ask them to do something to "help their own exploration of their own music?"
What they are giving you is what they feel is the best musical experience they can offer. You arent on the inside, I'm not on the inside. So we cant know why they do the things they do. All we can do is either support them or not support them. All of this complaining stems from selfishness, sorry.
Really? Being unhappy abut paying more for less music is selfish and greedy... Hmm... Maybe there's a new definition of selfish that I'm unaware of.
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I always say "take it or leave it". However, what does piss me off are the people who have the attitude like Tool is doing us a FAVOR by putting out albums and doing concerts, like we need them more than they need us. FUCK THAT!
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Originally Posted by paraflux
Listen to yourself. They need you to ask them to do something to "help their own exploration of their own music?"
What they are giving you is what they feel is the best musical experience they can offer. You arent on the inside, I'm not on the inside. So we cant know why they do the things they do. All we can do is either support them or not support them. All of this complaining stems from selfishness, sorry.
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Originally Posted by paraflux
Listen to yourself. They need you to ask them to do something to "help their own exploration of their own music?"
What they are giving you is what they feel is the best musical experience they can offer. You arent on the inside, I'm not on the inside. So we cant know why they do the things they do. All we can do is either support them or not support them. All of this complaining stems from selfishness, sorry.
and what does your constant defense of tool's carelessness towards their fans stem from?
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Re: Frustrated with the Lack of Musical Exploration
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Originally Posted by paraflux
What they are giving you is what they feel is the best musical experience they can offer.
Woah, if you actually believe yourself with that statement then i am impressed. So all of their singles in a 90 minute set just happen to be the best musical experience they can offer us eh?
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Originally Posted by paraflux
This "same shit" is a hundred times better than any set that another band could come up with.
That would be a "no." I hate Pearl Jam personally, but using them as an example, they give their fans their money's worth at shows. Rush, a band I love, do the same, putting all of their energy out there for 3 HOURS a night playing songs infinitely more difficult and complex than Tool's arrangements.
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Originally Posted by AMF
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Originally Posted by paraflux
What they are giving you is what they feel is the best musical experience they can offer.
Woah, if you actually believe yourself with that statement then i am impressed. So all of their singles in a 90 minute set just happen to be the best musical experience they can offer us eh?
no, I believe what pf meant is its the best musical experience they feel they can offer, for some particular reason...
youre just a bunch of ungrateful, spoiled kids.
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Originally Posted by AMF
...their money's worth at shows...
what exactly does that mean, now? you think your paying for them to play for you, is that it? you think you can measure an artistic performance with money?
dont forget the BAnd decided to put on a show; we didnt do that for them.
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Having worked at a rock station in Vegas I used to get free concert tickets to every band that came to sin city. Some I enjoyed and some I didn't...regardless, they were all free. Working now at a radio station that is all news and talk, I don't have the connections to get free tickets so I only spend money if I know I'm going to get a good show. Having been a Tool fan since the days of Undertow and seeing them many times, I can honestly say they are the only band who I will fork over the ridiculous price that tickets are going for. Good setlist or not, they put on an awesome show. Sure I would love to hear some of their classics, but the reality is that this tour is promoting 10,000 days, so of course you are going to get a bunch of songs on this album rather than previous works. I don't let it get to me....just go, have fun and appreciate the fact that they are still around making good music and putting on great shows.
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Originally Posted by iota
what exactly does that mean, now? you think your paying for them to play for you, is that it? you think you can measure an artistic performance with money?
dont forget the BAnd decided to put on a show; we didnt do that for them.
It's a symbiotic relationship between the band and the fan. The band plays if the fan pays; if the fan pays the band plays. See how it works? Tool wouldn't be rich Hollywood stars without the fans paying for the tickets, the albums, the merchandise, etc. Nobody forces you to pay either, but for those who do, they should expect a return that's at the least equal to what they put in. $200 for a 90 minute set that is an exact repeat of what I've seen only a couple months ago isn't getting my money's worth exactly, especially when it's being BILLED as a full arena tour. This is the real MaCoy, no mini tour, no warm up, this is where they're supposed to be pulling out all the stops, and I don't see that happening. Maybe when I'm actually it will change my mind, but I doubt it. It's not like they've been playing the same setlist over and over but including songs like Third Eye, The Grudge, Pushit, etc. We're talking songs that have been played a million times before and that are generally less exhausting to play live. You telling me that they can't sacrifice 2 hours a night for a few months playing music they love and that they wrote themselves for a lifetime of doing whatever they fucking want and sitting on piles of money overlooking a nice California vineyard?
i'm no expert on this sort of thing... but from what i gather... ticketmaster sets aside blocks of some of the best seats in the house for brokers. the brokers pay a premium price for the tickets and then resell them at a higher cost depending on the demand. i'm clueless as to how this is in fact legal... considering that some of these tickets can easily get into the thousands of dollars for a pair... well over what you'd pay through ticketmaster.
i don't know... but it just doesn't seem legal to me... maybe someone here has a bit more insight on how this system has been set up.
"i'm no expert on this sort of thing" or "i don't know" - then shut the #@*^ up!
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Originally Posted by AMF
The band plays if the fan pays; if the fan pays the band plays.
*lol*
you said the same thing twice...
and that statement is false. the band plays if they want to... not because we pay.
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Originally Posted by AMF
You telling me that they can't sacrifice 2 hours a night for a few months playing music they love and that they wrote themselves for a lifetime of doing whatever they fucking want and sitting on piles of money overlooking a nice California vineyard?
look, i understand your frustration. im just saying maybe it has a better place to be, like politics.
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Originally Posted by Rhapsody
Having worked at a rock station in Vegas I used to get free concert tickets to every band that came to sin city. Some I enjoyed and some I didn't...regardless, they were all free. Working now at a radio station that is all news and talk, I don't have the connections to get free tickets so I only spend money if I know I'm going to get a good show. Having been a Tool fan since the days of Undertow and seeing them many times, I can honestly say they are the only band who I will fork over the ridiculous price that tickets are going for. Good setlist or not, they put on an awesome show. Sure I would love to hear some of their classics, but the reality is that this tour is promoting 10,000 days, so of course you are going to get a bunch of songs on this album rather than previous works. I don't let it get to me....just go, have fun and appreciate the fact that they are still around making good music and putting on great shows.
I'm a huge supporter myself... just look at my list of shows... but I still feel that things have taken a step backwards as far as the live show is concerned. I'm not even talking about the 10,000 Days songs on the setlist. Of course they're supporting the new album. What most of us older fans want is for them to change up the REST of the setlist. If they're not going to play for more than 90 minutes, then rotate the other songs out from night to night. But of course, then you'd get some brand new fan crying that, oh my god, they didn't play Sober at my show.
"i'm no expert on this sort of thing" or "i don't know" - then shut the #@*^ up!
Go see your grandmother - boy!
Where is this coming from? You're an ass, and this was an inane, belligerent post. The situation with scalpers and high ticket prices is frustrating and he's venting. This is the "TOUR COMPLAINTS" thread. If you don't like the complaints, then get out.
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Originally Posted by optimistic-pessimist
The quote in your sig couldn't be more appropriate...
haha got me there!
but my ignorance is not deliberate... actually, I want to know all about tool concerts (got a little help there PM style), and, knowing myself the way I do, I know I wouldnt be crying like you whining bitches.
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You guys are the biggest bunch of whiny babies I've ever seen.
I was at the Vancouver show this week (my 6th show) and it blew my fucking mind. The setlist DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. That's the stupidest complaint in the world. Every song is SO good, it almost becomes irrelevant WHAT they play. They could have played all their worst songs (do they have any?) and it would still have kicked my ass into next year. Even Sober (one of my least favorite) rocked so fucking hard, I couldn't believe it. Even Schism, with the new extended part. The point is not the songs, you fucking uber nerds. It's the SHOW, how into it they are, how good their energy is, and how tight they play. So what if they didn't play Third Eye (I've never seen it yet, and I'm not complaining), so what if they didn't play Pushit (Fuck, Pushit is one of their most played songs from the last few tours... If you didn't see it then, TOO BAD, you missed your chance. Life moves on). They play almost all the new shit, which seems even better live than they old stuff. What do you want? Rareties from Undertow or Opiate? God, it's 2006 fuckheads! Not 1993.
Grow-the-fuck-up is all I can say. Tool has used this setlist because they want everyone to get the same experience. They are not catering to the groupies who follow them from city to city, and I guess that's just too fucking bad, isn't it? Maybe you should stop being so obsessed, and just check out one or two shows and be satisfied with that. I've seen them twice this year, and the shows felt completely different, despite the same setlist. And I'm sure if they come back, next year, the setlist will be slightly different then.
As for the visuals: I SAW the lasers in Vancouver, and they were fucking cool. Don't hate on lasers for no reason at all, until you see them. Pink Floyd uses lasers all the time, why not Tool? As for the lessened visuals: I couldn't have hoped for a better thing. The 2001 tour (which everyone seems to praise) was over the top. Too many visuals, began to take away from Tool. This new show is more stripped down, without the pretension, taking itself less seriously. This show is more fun, like the new album. It rocks you, from beginning to end. It's Tool being more personal, and less distant.
One last point: Maybe the Internet is what's ruining Tool for you. Many of my friends don't read this forum or this website, and were totally surprised with the setlist. They had no idea what to expect. Maybe you guys should stop caring about the setlists in other cities, and just wait for your concert and enjoy it for what it is. Over thinking, over analyzing, over-internet surfing, numbs and desensitizes your brains. Internet is the new TV. Why don't you turn the fucking computer off for a while? Ever think of that?
The ONLY valid complaint, in my opinion, is that the shows could be a little longer. But I personally think Maynard's voice is starting to wear out, and he is trying not to strain it. You know why? SO THAT HE CAN KEEP FUCKING SINGING, and making albums and touring for you ungrateful negative little baby bitches! Do you want him to end up sounding like Robert Plant or James Hetfield sound today? (i.e. Like shit). No? Then shut the fuck up.
TOOL ROCKS, you don't. Get over yourselves.
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Just keep kissing the band's asses... I'm sure they love it. Some of us, despite being huge fans and supporters, are less than satisfied with how this tour is already shaping up. You don't see me selling my tickets and swearing off TOOL's music, but I'm going to express my opinion here, and I'd express it to the band, if I had the chance.
It's not because I'm reading the setlists online too much, it's not because I'm ungrateful or selfish, it's not because I've been to too many shows and have become jaded. I just know what they're capable of doing in a live show. I know they have a huge catalog of songs to draw from. I know that ticket prices have gone up, and I know we've been told that they'd change the setist up. I'm still going to the show, and I'll still have a good time, but it's not what I've been anticipating for the past 3 years.
This is the tour complaints thread. If you don't like reading it, THEN GET THE FUCK OUT.
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I was just trying to point out how trivial, and pathetic all your complaints are.
But hey, I'll get out, and leave you all to wallow in your negativity and misery. I'm sure you'll be happier that way (or will you be?).
It's sad that so many internet-Tool-fans/nerds are becoming disillusioned with a band who remains the greatest rock band of our time. But to say that those of us who still enjoy the band are "kissing ass" is really petty. But I guess I'd be petty and bitter too, if I was feeling so shitty about Tool.
See ya later.
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Opp-Pess guy, when does the 'optimistic' part of your name kick in?
Dude, I've been watching this band live since 1993 - seen bad and genius performances over many, many years - the set I saw in Toronto a couple of months ago seemed a bit sterile at times - very workmanship like in a couple of spots if you understand what I'm saying - but the performance and especially the infusion of new material put a million mile wide smile on my face....and I even took a piss during Schism as any good Tool fan knows when to go.
You say you're not jaded - I say you're full of shit.
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See... even I won't be leaving the show to take a piss at any point... despite my complaints with the set. Like every show I've been to, I'll be in my spot, eyes glued to the stage for the entire set.
I'm not going to sit here and defend myself or my point of view. In a few weeks, I'll have seen TOOL 30 times... and 8 times this year alone. Evil agent... I'm going to every show that I've already bought tickets for, and I'll enjoy it. Right now I'm in Portland prepping for the Gorge show... 2000 miles away from my home. *BUT* I still know that TOOL can put on a better show than this 90 minute "best of" setlist that they've been doing all year... and I'm just trying to express that here. But what do I know. TOOL is everything and they know everything, and who am I to question them, right?
Besides, you all are putting words into my mouth and exaggerating my point of view. "Misery, disillusioned, bitter..." You're being ridiculous. The fact is, we're being charged more for a shorter setlist full of "best of" songs, and that's less-than-ideal for some of us. We're here talking about it. I'll say it again... you don't like it, you're not being forced to read it. Go over to the "How To Lick Maynard's Asshole" thread.
I'm so glad that you all like this kind of setlist and leave the show completely satisfied. More power to you all. I just know that there's the potential for more, and we're not getting it. That's it.
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Originally Posted by optimistic-pessimist
See... even I won't be leaving the show to take a piss at any point... despite my complaints with the set. Like every show I've been to, I'll be in my spot, eyes glued to the stage for the entire set.
I'm not going to sit here and defend myself or my point of view. In a few weeks, I'll have seen TOOL 30 times... and 8 times this year alone. Evil agent... I'm going to every show that I've already bought tickets for, and I'll enjoy it. Right now I'm in Portland prepping for the Gorge show... 2000 miles away from my home. *BUT* I still know that TOOL can put on a better show than this 90 minute "best of" setlist that they've been doing all year... and I'm just trying to express that here. But what do I know. TOOL is everything and they know everything, and who am I to question them, right?
Besides, you all are putting words into my mouth and exaggerating my point of view. "Misery, disillusioned, bitter..." You're being ridiculous. The fact is, we're being charged more for a shorter setlist full of "best of" songs, and that's less-than-ideal for some of us. We're here talking about it. I'll say it again... you don't like it, you're not being forced to read it. Go over to the "How To Lick Maynard's Asshole" thread.
I'm so glad that you all like this kind of setlist and leave the show completely satisfied. More power to you all. I just know that there's the potential for more, and we're not getting it. That's it.
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I'm not denying that Tool has the potential for even more. But I think it's only the minority of people like you, who have seen something like 30 shows, that really suffer from this current tour. The show is still awesome, and that's that.
Besides, it is most likely true that Tool's best days are behind them, that they peaked (perhaps sometime around Ænima or even Lateralus), but that's just a fact of life. That doesn't stop them from still being the best rock band out there today.
Life is full of disappointments, and we can't get everything we want. So we either enjoy what Tool is giving us, or bitch and complain about it (which, as we've seen, won't do much to change anything).
I still think people are being premature. There will obviously be a change in the setlist, but I don't think it will come until they've started re-visiting major cities, or do another tour next year.
P.S. Kudos on your list of Tool shows. I used to think my signature was awesome, and I have to admit yours puts mine to shame. Are you rich or something? How can you afford to travel around and see Tool over and over???
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4. Tacoma 2001 | 5. Toronto 2006 | 6. Vancouver 2006
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A Tool show is a Tool show and it's gonna rule no matter what. But I agree that if Blair is piping up his dick-sucker on their own website talking about this big stage production and different setlists, I hope to start seeing it soon. So far in the couple arena dates they've had, it's the exact same over and over and over, as it was in the warmups and festival shows. They've got such a better library of songs to choose from than what they have chosen. It's gonna be awesome, but still. I'd like to see a song I haven't heard on the radio 9,000 times.
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Regardless if it will change anything, I'd rather let my opinion be known than just quietly sit and accept it. Maybe the band won't read it. Maybe Blair won't read it. Maybe no one in the TOOL camp will read it.... but at least I've expressed myself.
And I'd say that my optimistic side comes in by believing that TOOL's best days AREN'T necessarily behind them. They're obviously still capable of making good music (some would argue against that) and they're definitely still capable of playing well live... They're just choosing that same singles set over and over and over again... and I question that.
And no I'm not rich... sadly. I just work really hard to make it to every show that I can. Your question would be better suited for a guy named Tooldvn. I'm pretty sure that he's WELL over 100 shows at this point.... and he's just one of us... pays to get to all those shows, as far as I know. I'm pretty sure they put a news post up about him on toolband when he hit 100, though.
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Originally Posted by optimistic-pessimist
Just keep kissing the band's asses... I'm sure they love it. Some of us, despite being huge fans and supporters, are less than satisfied with how this tour is already shaping up. You don't see me selling my tickets and swearing off TOOL's music, but I'm going to express my opinion here, and I'd express it to the band, if I had the chance.
It's not because I'm reading the setlists online too much, it's not because I'm ungrateful or selfish, it's not because I've been to too many shows and have become jaded. I just know what they're capable of doing in a live show. I know they have a huge catalog of songs to draw from. I know that ticket prices have gone up, and I know we've been told that they'd change the setist up. I'm still going to the show, and I'll still have a good time, but it's not what I've been anticipating for the past 3 years.
This is the tour complaints thread. If you don't like reading it, THEN GET THE FUCK OUT.
Where is this coming from? You're an ass, and this was an inane, belligerent post. The situation with scalpers and high ticket prices is frustrating and he's venting. This is the "TOUR COMPLAINTS" thread. If you don't like the complaints, then get out.
Your are noting but a hypocryte and most of your post prove it!
"You little parasite - I hope you choke".
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First let me edit your post for you a bit.
It would be you're instead of your, and proves instead of prove. Go back to school, study up a bit, grow some thumbs, and then come back and repost, ok?
Secondly... "hypocrite" huh? Elaborate for me, please. Oh wait... perhaps that's too large a word. Please explain further how I'm a hypocrite. I'll give you time to go look up the meaning of the word first.
Maiden you've said nothing intelligent in any of your first 3 posts, and then you randomly stick a quote from a song in... just sort of thrown in there. How am I parasite? Please explain that one for us all as well. Come back with a real argument instead of a few belligerent words thrown together, and maybe then I'll consider you worth my time.
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I recently just read Blair's post about the "new things" we'd see, and yeah, that's a little bullshit... But is this the first time Blair has pissed people off? I'm not totally sure why, but don't a lot of people actually hate Blair? Well, now we have more reason.
I think maybe he was referring to the new stage setup, where the stage is a projection scree (although this can only be seen from higher seats). And maybe the odd inclusion of Opiate, like last night in Edmonton.
__________________ My Tool Shows:
1. Portland 1998 | 2. Portland 2001 | 3. Vancouver 2001
4. Tacoma 2001 | 5. Toronto 2006 | 6. Vancouver 2006
