the video also has the blue apples in it, the holy grail
the part where the apple is cut in 2 is a clue just think about it
the geometry that i mentioned (a couple of times but nobody seems to find it important enough)
I think I have, altou that name doesn't help, to remember any better
the part of the being walking in the forest is in the 12 aethyr
and teh part of the leaf is in the 7th aether
the 7th aethyr has a part in it that seems to describe satan, or lucifer.
contains alot of interesting stuff
I wondered where I've seen this, it on my way, passing it many times, it's on a stone sculpture, witch represents a maid(naked) pouring/carrying water on her shoulder, this symbol is placed at the feet of the lady.
maybe im over analysing but this is too much of a coincidence
31, and in them are set the two eyes
of Horus. (Ayin means an eye.) For, if it were not so, the arrow could not
pierce the rainbow, and there could be no poise in the balance, and the Great
Book should never be unsealed. But this is she that poureth the Water of Life
upon her head, whence it floweth to fructify the earth. But now the whole
Aethyr is the most brilliant peacock blue. It "is" the Universal Peacock that I
behold.
another interesting fact is that aenima lateralus 10 000 days each have a track with the world shin the 11th letter related to the soul
and the 21st card of the tarot the aeon(judgment)
aenima
intermis -sion
lateralus
pa-tien-t
10 000 days
inten-tion
other shins i forgot about was
disposi-tion
reflelc-tion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triodion
something about 3 is bouncing into a surface, from many directions.. does Ions have anything to do with 48 and tion,dion,sion?
maybe, but i dont think so, that might have to do with one of the other recurring words or sounds
in their lyrics, i and eye 10 (represents io) all representing ain the the letter in the hebrew alphabet on the 15th card of the tarot, non other than the devil.
see i dont have multitrack recording software so i cant check this out, but check aenima cesaro summibility and diie eier von satan, cesaro summability and die eier von satan over aenima and i think ions aswell.(im confident on this one)
isn't it usual for a writer to be in contact with the devil, or ascribe oneself as in possession of one. Under the influence of logos which is under demiurge which could be said is nothing you can involve with, while awake..keeping distance..from my..
maybe but this seems to be connected with nothing and the 3 states reached above the tree of life, ain , ain soph and ain soph aur.
just guessin, that because a new video is upcoming (The Pot video?) so I am wondering what if, the new album would be "a follow up".. so that it has less songs, but might be longer, from overall playing time, then fittig the third eye into it someway, frater, right? 3x3, 45-(48)=3
well if you look at 10 k days , the songs does seem longer than the previous ones
and 3rd eye has the longests duration of all their somgs
no ..., dont know what somgs you are classifying as segues, whould that be intermission, eier von satan, cesaro summability,
mantra, eon blue apocalypse, faaip de oiaad, parabola
viginti tres, and lost keys?
and years another clue, the central numbers, 8,7,65, represent the cards in the tarot
8-adjustment-aenima
7-chariot-lataralus
6-lovers-10kdays
5-hierophant-new album
maybe its got somethiomng to do with the 9 tracks you were talking about
and the other thing is you mentioned that intention and patient has simialarities in them
well it does sound simialar and teh same thing is happening here
intention is the 3rd track from the bottom on 10kdays
and patient is the 3rd track from teh top on lateralus
its on different albums though , but still that holy gift thing going , it seems as if its not following the same pattern by placing the last number in the middle and adding the numbers from both sides to get the same number , in a sequence from the outside to the center.
but i could be wrong , or maybe just looking at it in the wrong way, maybe somethings missing, or maybe im looking for spmething that isnt there?
Ænima was the time Tool was planning something huge? (...) I think placing your own thoughts and imagination into the listening experience would do a lot of good, for a change at least, and it might end up in a pleasant results.
those words are summing it up pretty good i think! besides i am not good at maths and also a bit bored of looking everywhere for everything...:D i think i am just dumb...
No I haven't but now this got me into listening it again. What I found about "Right In Two" for myself was that the last minute, after the song had reached exact 8 min, the whole song changed, so I wondered about that and thought Jesus because the (8), but now I've come across Jesus with and attitude which tells that Jesus denied Lucifer.. was that Jesus Chrestos or Christos, a guess would go for Chrestos.
These Ænima songs with no D'Amour credit on them seem to me in a totally different light than other D'Amour songs on that album. "Jimmy" keeps reminding to hold onto the Lucifer, the morning son, light in the darkness, Lucifer-Venus, woman with beard and horns (Hooker With A Penis)? And why is it that 46&2 is seen in that funny Jungian way? Something about shadow, that appears in "Sober" too, but to me this Jung/Shadow is in "Sober". The shadow in "46&2" is prehistorical humanform, that tells a story about shredding skin, like man was born with earth and is layering out it's form, like a snake..
46 and 2 also has that shin thing in it, ``sh-adow``, so your soul is created of light and man reunites with the main source by seperating the impurities from the pure with fire
there is something mentioned in crowleys book 4 im not shure where , ill have to go and search for it first to explain it.
but it had something to do with the main source of creation has this unimaginable brightness, and the extreme luminosity of that lght against the light of your soul makes it seem like a darker light, or something
i might be wrong but ill have to get back to you on this one.
Maybe Intension and Schism would go along well too.. The Jimmy/46&2 seems applausable, when those 2 songs flushed out. I am kind of letting go of that 9 track thing, but the segues has titles that might tempt you to create a combo-song with them, cookie recipies and messages, then summability is calculating, or whatever, maybe the titles are just nonsense.
useful diot is the intro for 46 and 2 , and jimmy ends with that same type of repeating loop thing at teh end
if the this thing is true the tracks connected from the outside to the center
you get
stinkfist, aenima
eulogy cesaro summability
h pushit
useful idiot die eier von satan
46 & 2 jimmy
message to harrymanback intermission
and the center track is hooker with a penis
now whats starnge about this is that
both aenima and stinkfist metione change , one seems like the contrast of the other
cesaro summability `` you must die``, the song is definitly dedicated to bill higgs whos dead and cesaro summability birth, so deaf is the changing from one state into another rebirth.
h and pushit both mention fading and slipping away, pushit `` slip away in that gap again``
h `` whats coming through is alive``
die eier von satan and usefull idiot is linked
useful idiot is a political jargon, used to decribe propagandists , this reminds me of hitler.
hitler was intrigued by parsivale the holy grail.` die reine thor, the pure fool
simialar to "Useful Innocents", derived from budala translates as "fool" and synonyms thereof.
46 and 2 mentiones `my shadow`` and jimmy ``hold your light`` and both have the spiritual transformation thing going on, jimmy ``reunite and move on tpgether``, 46 and 2 `` steppinng through my shadow `` and ``do what it takes to step through``.
intermission and message to harry manback , both hilarious , show me a person that wont laugh when hearing those 2 songs between any of the other tracks on this album?
aenima is the album attributed to teh element earth, assiah the lowest plane of the 4worlds,
materiality, hooker with a penis ``buy my new record`` money materialistic.
no study of occult can be possible without aquiantance with symbolism, for the words occultism and symbolism are correctly used they mean almost one and the same thing.symbolisms cannot be learnes as one learns to build bridges to speak a foreighn language(schism) and for the interpretation of symbols a special cast of mind is necesarry.in addition to knowledge special fcaulties the power of creative thought and the developed imagination is required. one who undestands the symbolism in the arts knows in a general way what is ment by occult arts. but even then special training is needed in order to comprehend the ``language of the initiates`` and to express in this language the intuitions as they are.
the tarot cards in the opinion of the investigators represents the egyptian hieroglyphic book of sevnty eight tablets , which came to us miraculously .
althoigh the tarot is a pack of cards it really is somethong different, it can be read in a variety of ways . as on instance a metaphysical interpretation of general mening or general content of the book of tarot, that is to say its metaphysical title that will explain that this work was not invented by gypsies of the 14th century.
the tarot falls in 3 devisions :1st part 22 numbered cards the 2nd part one card 0 the 3rd part has 56 cards the 4 suits of the the 14 cards.
more over the 2nd part seems to be a a link between the 1st and the 3rd parts since all 56 cards of the 3rd part together equal to the the card 0. now if you imagine 22 cards disposed in the shape of a triangle with 7 cards on each side , with a point on the center represebted by the 0 card and a square around the triangle , the square consistinfg of 56 cards 14 on each side you shall have a representation of the relation between god , man and the universe, or the world of ideas , conscioussness of the man and the physical world(triad)
the triangle is god( th trinity) or the world of ideas or noumenal world the point is a mans soul. the square is the visible , phusical or phenonenal world.
potentially the square is equal to the point, which means that the visible world is contained in mans conscioussnss and is created in mans soul. and the soul itself is a point having no dimension in the world of the spirit, symbolised by the triangle.
it is eveident that such an idea could not have taken shape in the minds of ordinary people and clearly evidence that the tarot is more tan a pack of playing cards or fortune telling cards.
h.p blavatsky mentions the tarot in her works and we have some reason to believe that she studied the tarot. it is known that she loved to ``play patience``.(patience?)
we dont know what she read in the cards as she played the game , but the author told madam blavatsky searched perwsistently for a MSS on the tarot.
in order to understand the tarot it is necessry to understand the basic ideas of the kaballa and of alchemy. it represents as many commentators of the tarot think, a summary of the hermetic sciences and different sciences. all these sciences attributed to hermes trismigistus, reall represent one system of vey braod and deep psychological investigation of the nature of man in his relation to the world noumena (god the world of spirit and to the world of phenomena the(visible physical wold).
the letters of the hebrew alphabet and the various allegories of the kaballa the names of the metals acids and salts in alchemy of the planets and constellations in astrology of goo and evel spirits and magick. all of these were only means to veil truth from the unitiated.
but when the true alchemist spoke of gold he spoke of the souls in the soul of man. and he called gold that which is called in the new testament kingdom of the heaven and in buddism nirvana .
and when the true astrologer spoke of the planets and constelations he spoke of it inconstellations in the soul of man eg. the qualities of the human soul and its relations to god and the world . andwhen the true kabalists spoke of the name of god h spoke of the name that he witnessed in the nature ab=nd soul of man not in books.
the kabala astrolgy and alchemy texts are paralel symbolical systems of the psycholgy of metaphysics.
we are surrounde by a wall of of built conceptions of the world around us and are unable to see passed thos wall.
tha kaballa pressents a n effort to look passwed this obstacle.it investigates the world asif it is the world in itself. the world in itself in the kabalists view its built out of the 4 elements of the name of God IHVH .
the viewpoint of the kabalists consists of the study of the name of god in its manifestation
these 4 priciples describe the deepest symbolical meaning yod the active principle, the beginning motion or cuase the secind letter vau the passive element inertia quietude not i the third the balnce of oposites and the 4th the result of latent energy.
kabalists belive that every object and phenomenon consists of thse 4 principles, that everything consists of the name of god
therefore when man sees these 4 priciples iin all things of different categories he begins to seee he anology between these phenomena. he then realizes that the whlole univers is built according tof the same law. therefore the study of the name of god ihvh, it presents a powerful way for widening consciousness.
the idea is cler that the name of god is in everything from a speck of dust to the whole universe. the name of god , the word, the logos is the origin of the world.
logos also means reason.
the tarot is quite analogous to the abala alchemy and magick and includes them. corresponding to the four first principles or the four letters of the name of god or 4 elements aor 4 classes of spirit the tarot ahs 4 suits sceptrre cups sword and pentacles, every suit , every side of the square ,equal to th epoint represents th elements, controls on classof spirits. scepters -fire, cups- watre , swords are air and pentacles earth. in every suit the king is fire the 1st principle the queen the 2nd water the knight the 3rd air and the page earth. then again the ace is fire 2 water 3 air the 4 aerth etc.
in regards to the suits the black suits s express activity and energy, will initiative and subjective side of consciousness, and the red suits passive energy inertia and objective consciousness.
the 1st 2 suits represent good and 2nd 2 eveikl, thus every card of th e56 cards represent acivitty or passivity of good or evil arising from mans will or from without.
the 56 cards represent as it were the complete picture of possibilties in mans conscoiousness.
thus including the kaballa ,astrology, alchemy and magick the tarot makes it possible to seek gold ,evoke spirits and draw horoscopes without complicated parephernalia and ceremonies but only by using a pack of cards,.
but the main interest is in the 22 numbered cards.these cards have numrerical meaning and symbolical significance.
according to christian histoire de la magie, the 22 major arcana of the tatot is a representation of hieroglyphic paintings which were found in between colums of a gallery which the neophyte was obliged to cross in egyptian initiations. there were 2 colums to the north and the same to the south. eleven symbolical pictures on each side. these pictutes were explained to the initiate in regular order and they contained the rules and order for the intiate .this opinion is confirmed by correspondence wich nexist berween arcana when they are arranged.
in the gallery the picturees were arranged in pairs one oposite each other so that the first was oposite the last .
when arranged like this the symbols suggeat a very interesting and deep suggestoin .
in this way the mind finds the 1 in the 2 and is led from dualism in to monism(2=0)
which is what we might call the unification of the duad.
one card explains the other and each pair shows that they can only be explaineded in mutually anfd is meaningless seperately.
thuys we have cards 10 and 13 as a pair that signify together a certain complementary meaning which we cannot conceive by ordinary imperfect mental process.
we think of life and death as two oposites antagonisttic one side to the other, but if we thought further we would realize that each depends on the other for neither could come onto existence esepresately.
the symbol may serve to transfer out intuitins and to suggest new ones only so long as its meaning is not defined.
real symbols are perpetually in the processs of creation, but when they receive a definte significance they become a hieroglyph and finally a mere alphabet.
properly speaking a symbol in ocultism means the same as art.if a artist uses ready-made symbols his work will not be truly occult for it will contain no esotericism no mysticism but only pseudo esotericism, pseuodo mysticism. symbolism in which the symbols have definet meanings is pseudo symbolism
havingmade this clear the author found that the key to the tarot must lie in the imagination and decided to redesighn the cards, giving descriptive pictures of the tarot, and tpo interptret the symbols not by means og analysis but by synthesis.
yess the doctrine contains and expresses any doctrine that can be found in our consciousnes
and in a sense it has definiteness.
it represents nature in all the richness of its infinite possibilities(lateralus), and there is in it as in nature not one but all potential and these meanings are fluent and ever changing so the tarot cannot be specifically this or that for it moves forever and yet is ever the same.
if im not wrong this seems to be the expalnation for it, and this
46 and 2 also has that shin thing in it, ``sh-adow``, so your soul is created of light and man reunites with the main source by seperating the impurities from the pure with fire
there is something mentioned in crowleys book 4 im not shure where , ill have to go and search for it first to explain it.
but it had something to do with the main source of creation has this unimaginable brightness, and the extreme luminosity of that lght against the light of your soul makes it seem like a darker light, or something
i might be wrong but ill have to get back to you on this one.
book 4
part1
chapter 7
samadhi
There is, however, a very much higher state called Shivadarshana, of which it is only necessary to say that it is the destruction of the previous state, its annihilation; and to understand this blotting-out, one must not imagine "Nothingness" (the only name for it) as negative, but as positive.
The normal mind is a candle in a darkened room. Throw open the shutters, and the sunlight makes the flame invisible. That is a fair image of Dhyana.
footnote: Here the dictation was interrupted by very prolonged thought due to the difficulty of making the image clear. Virakam.
But the mind refuses to find a simile for Atmadarshana. It seems merely ineffective to say that the rushing together of all the host of heaven would similarly blot out the sunlight. But if we do say so, and wish to form a further image of Shivadarshana, we must imagine ourselves as suddenly recognizing that this universal blaze is darkness; not a light extremely dim compared with some other light, but darkness itself. It is not the change from the minute to the vast, or even from the finite to the infinite. It is the recognition that the positive is merely the negative. The ultimate truth is perceived not only as false, but as the logical contradictory of truth. It is quite useless to elaborate this theme, which has baffled all other minds hitherto. We have tried to say as little as possible rather than as much as possible.
well i have to read it first , but by the looks of things, the yuga cycle thing is pretty accurate , the last cycle ends with the destruction of the universe by shiva when he opens his eye
Beezelbub, fuck are all those so new and, Osiris.. what? No this isn't the same thing as Venus.. sorry you got it wrong.
Here's a bit older stuff for ya'll!
H.P.Blavatsky
Collected Writings
1888
The Secret Doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Doctrine
see the book of thoth for this, the thing about the deck is every card has a differnt way of symbolising the same principle balance.
but the part im refering to is the first part card 0-the fool
started readng cosmogenises and the part of the logos being satan in anthropogenisis, interesting thing i noticed , is that cosmogenisis ends with these interesting words
``whenever a theosophist is being taxed with insanity , he should respond with Montesques letres persanes : by opening so freely there lunatic asylums for MADmen, men on;y seek to insure eachother that they themselves are not mad.``
Is it in TOL that if you get to go from Malkuth and plunge up, somehow through The Fool, haven't you then gone the most bizarre way back up? See the straight up, forward, isn't it the shortest way, but also Abyss is there for sure.. What cards were there with The Fool? Last 3..
what do you mean with what cards were there before the fool?
what i meant is all the figures mentioned in the the bok of thoth
On 2001 TOOL played Triad among with Tomas Haake(meshuggah) and after the song there was few words from MJK then Adam starts playing Wings and Justin with Danny plays along, 2001! After Triad.. heading back to the tribe, heading back home.. what's going on? getting old?
``heading back to the tribe`` do you mean the 12 tribes of israel , or what tribe are you talking about?
LUCIFER-VENUS
VENUS (mythological):
is pictured with a beard, and cow horns in it's head.
VENUS (planet):
is Lucifer as the other "me" of Earth.
gains double(compared to Earth) ammount of light and warmth.
all the figures with horns in mythology were related to the apis bull, the redeemer,
same as osiris.
okay nobody really knows what jesus looked like, but they always show him with a beard
and there are passages in the bible that relate him with the morning star
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
That Blavatsky book has like over ten parts, and each one of them are around 500 pages so it might take a while to get head around this.
struggling to understand it all with all the tongue twisting eastern words, , but what i did notice thus far is that the end part of the aenima video seems the same as what is being described in the 3rd stanza of cosmogenisis
``the last vibration of the 7th eternity thrills through the infinitude
the mother swells , expanding from within without, like the bud of a lotus``
the same might go for the total of tracks on each album
15-devil
13-death
11-lust
9-hermit
this would have to be done before adding the last 2 tracks to the new album
thething about the tracks forming pairs from the outside inwards, having oposite meanings seem to have the same meaning as the meaning of the bathomet symbol, and whats weird about that is the total amount of tracks on aenima is 15
card 15 of the tarot is the devil
as above so below
Interpretation
The Devil is the card of self-bondage to an idea or belief which is preventing a person from growing or being healthy—an example might be a belief that getting drunk each night is good for you. On the other hand, however, it can also be a warning to someone who is too restrained and/or dispassionate and never allows him or herself to be rash or wild or ambitious, which is yet another form of enslavement.
The Devil is the 15th card of the Major Arcana, and is associated with earth and Capricorn. Though many decks portray a stereotypical Satan figure for this card, it is more accurately represented by our bondage to material things rather than by any evil persona. It also indicates an obsession or addiction to fulfilling our own earthly base desires. Should the Devil represent a person, it will most likely be one of money and power, one who is persuasive, aggressive, and controlling. In any case, it is most important that the querent understands that the ties that bind are freely worn.
