That's a great metaphor, there XD

1. Haters gonna hate. It's the internet. Don't take it personally.

2. If you say some stupid shit in real life, you should be called out on it. Unless your friends are really passive and they'll let you ramble on saying whatever BS you please, I guess. The internet is similar. Don't post things on a public message board if you don't want to back them up. This isn't your blog.

3. Seriously, defend yourself. You were kind of asking for it with a post like that. Instead of complaining that your statement got mocked, why don't you clarify what you were talking about? You don't have to let it escalate, either. Keep it calm and explain yourself. If he doesn't get it or like it after that, then who cares, just let it slide. You don't have to please everyone.


The main reason haters/trolls are so successful is that most people are offended extremely easily. One poke is enough to send sheep into a defensive frenzy. Don't fall for the bait, stand your ground and act normally.

Did you read through my initial post on this thread?

Clarification huh? Alright.

"As DELUSIONAL as it sounds, and trust me I KNOW how much it does, I felt ALMOST as if they had saved this one just for me. Of course I'm sure that's how most of the other fans there felt who realized what had just happened. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that was their (as in the band) intention."

To me, that's not saying the band wrote this song for my own selfish desire, as was Inner Eulogy's take. It's simply stating that in the year 2010, while seeing a band with two decades worth of music and live tours, it was a very pleasant surprise to have them play a song for the first time that many people thought would never even make it into a live setlist. An expression of gratitude. Even during this songs live performance I heard a few people commenting that it was, "slow" and then I read posts that call this song, "boring." I felt obligated to show that while some of the more casual listeners don't have much appreciation for this song, it means a lot to others. I truly do feel that this song really was a gift to all of the people who hold it dear and anxiously awaited its live performance.

Anyway, I still find it tedious to have to come back and clarify something that was relatively self explanatory to begin with. Or that someone (especially someone with a title like "clamorous") would advise me at this point in the thread to, "defend myself" instead of "complaining." Just in case your under the impression your given title carries along some kind of prestigious connotation, due to your boasted, "lack of tact" (not to mention lack of vocabulary.) Clamorous is a word describing someone full of complaints and or demands.

try harder

damn, somebody's more defensive than a drunk chick on the rag. Resorting to attacks about user titles (which users can't even change) after making your point. Jeez, chill out man.

You certainly like to hand out advice. I'd feel bad if I didn't hand some back. How about reading through the whole discussion before you jump into the thread and start attempting to dictate people on how to handle their own words. If you had, you might have realized that the "statement" that was mocked by Inner Eulogy was but one sentence in a post consisting of three paragraphs. Which is precisely the reason I even bothered posting a follow up. Not to "complain" as you said, but to raise legitimate concern over someone who has a tendency, as I've already mentioned, to take a small bit of what someone has said and deliberately place it out of context in order to slander them. If it was a one time thing with this guy I wouldn't have even bothered. However, it is NOT a one time thing. I noticed this individual in particular doing it to others long before I submitted a post on this thread.

I've been reading this thread since before you'd ever heard of this site.

If you weren't handling your own words so poorly, then I wouldnt've given you my advice. Think about that one.

Hushypushy, I love your avatar.

I've been there before. I'd post random comments on different song threads, and after a while i noticed the same thing, 'hey this IE guy is a real fucking nazi around here. And he's not even being helpful!' I called him out, but came to the conclusion there's always gonna be butthole's out there, i'm not gonna waste my time with him.

I did wonder about the site's credibility though, i mean you should be allowed to come here and express your opinion freely, without having some guy jump down your neck with criticism. And if there's gonna be a place you can come and share your interpretations of Tool's songs, and discuss what they mean, surely this is it! People shouldn't be shied away for fear of being ridiculed. I made my peace with it though, i gave that MJK quote at the entrance some good thought and just let it go, there's bigger fish to fry!

thanks, I made it myself. For good or bad, I've gotten "stuck" with Kari Byron avatars. If I try to change to something else, there's a bit of a revolt. I haven't made a new one in a while, but I have a few in reserve to cycle through. I need to find out a better way to make gif's out of screengrabs before I make any more.

This is true. But I also believe there's a fine line between "criticism" and "being a dick". Similarly, there's a fine line between sharing your interpretation and saying something really stupid.

Was Inner_Eulogy's comment out of line? I think so. I actually had the same thought running through my head when I read PessimisticOptimist's post, but I refrained from posting because I thought it didn't add to the conversation. That's what this thread is for.

The beauty of this site, IMO, is that the moderation is so loose. A lot of other forums have moderators that are quick to step in whenever someone's feelings are hurt. Not here--figure it out for yourself. And try not to act like a first grader in the process, by throwing a temper tantrum and/or crying.

I used to point this out back when the site was really rocking, but scroll up and look in the top left corner of your screen, what word do you see? OPINION. If you're allowed to share your opinions, someone else is going to share theirs.

oh yeah, another thing: there's no requirement that you have to respond to anything. If you don't like what someone is saying to you--ignore them. There's even an ignore feature on the forum to permanently ignore people you don't like.

How do you make gif 's, anyway? I have always wanted to do something like that, but have never learned how...and yes, I have been reading TN posts for a while now before actually joining, and have always liked that avatar :P

Right. Cause there's certainly no possibility that a person could have been following this site and the discussions within its forum for years without ever becoming an actual member. They couldn't possibly have been reluctant to become a member due to the amount of low balling they'd already seen from many of the less apprehensive fans.

When I say less apprehensive fans I refer, in part, to those that discuss the trade and sale of bootleg recordings, both audio and video, of this bands live shows. (sound familiar, hushypushy?) One of the few things this band ask from us as fans is to enjoy their music, with them, in the moment.

In the end, I think your rebuttal was purely out of jealousy that you missed out on one of the best shows this band has ever performed. Next time get tickets instead of getting even.

(p.s. ~ I find it revealing that someone with so much expertise on word handling would've made the mistake of using a nonsensical word like "wouldnt've." Wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?)

OHMYGOSH! who would've thought that some TOOL FANS on a TOOL message board would be DICKS?!? what is this world coming to?!?!?? actually it kinda makes sense. half of tool songs are about dicks and assholes, so of course tool fans would follow the same mold!

and if you can't handle people talking shit about your opinions then maybe the internet isn't the place for you. it happens alot.

i love seeing tool in the moment, but that specific moment comes once or twice every few years. this makes it alot harder to enjoy a show as they want us to. so after spending a couple hundred bucks when they are around, its nice to have a recording of the show to listen to. also, being tripped out at tool shows, although making the moment much grander, it makes it much harder to remember later on. another reason i love the existence of recordings. it puts me back into that moment.

i go to the movies, see my movie on the big screen with the awesome sound, but a few months later i buy the DVD anyway. why? because i want something i can enjoy when and where i want.

umm, i dont detect a hint of jealousy in any of hushy's statements. i feel he's seen enough shows to make up for that particular one. wouldnt've would be short for "would not have." although it is a mashed together word, it still fits the context of what was said. there's no need to become captain dictionary.

Lmao, now I want a 'Captain Dictionary' cape....

i use this to make my gifs, very simple to use.

http://www.whitsoftdev.com/unfreez/

Couple of things before I end my participation in this thread once and for all.
(and not to put on the captain dictionary cape again, but its a dirty job and someone has to)

low·ball
   /ˈloʊˌbɔl/ Show Spelled[loh-bawl] Show IPA
–noun
1.
Cards . a game of draw poker in which the player having the lowest-ranking hand wins the pot.
–verb (used with object)
2.
to deliberately estimate a lower price for (a service or merchandise) than one intends to charge: to lowball the cost of a move.
3.
to give a false estimate or bid for.
–verb (used without object)
4.
to engage in low balling.

You seem to think my reference to all the "low balling" I've observed is about people having disagreements in general. An easy mistake to make, considering the conversation up to that point. Low balling is a term used to describe selling something short (see above). Which is exactly what the process of bootlegging does. I welcome disagreements. I wouldn't have participated thus far in this or any internet forum if i didn't. My question was pretty fucking simple guys. (apparently a few others even agreed if you bother looking) All I want to know is why there is a guideline in the FAQ section explaining that they will take action against the kind of behavior I see being displayed frequently, if they don't bother enforcing it or are prejudice in doing so. There's a simple solution if they don't wish to. REMOVE IT FROM THE FAQ OR ENFORCE IT. Otherwise one such as myself is lead to question its existence in the first place.

And as far as I'm concerned your full of excuses. If you can't remember the show, that's your own fault. If you want to listen to Tool in your own time. SURPRISE!! They've recorded albums! Maybe if you'd be patient enough you might get another one like Salival. I'm sure the band has gotta find it a bit discouraging to make those kind of albums (or even concert DVDs) with so many people disregarding their requests not to take recording devices into their performances.

Thank you, Lotus.