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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
The songs should have built around the best drummer in the world: Danny Carey, instead of recycling endless guitar riffs.
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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
The songs should have built around the best drummer in the world: Danny Carey, instead of recycling endless guitar riffs.
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05-01-2006, 07:34 PM
I do like the riffs, but I agree. For me, that's this album's biggest weak point. Guitar definitely should have been brought down. I've heard people say the leak mix wasn't as good as the CD, so I'm hoping it's at least a little different on the real thing...
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I do like the riffs, but I agree. For me, that's this album's biggest weak point. Guitar definitely should have been brought down. I've heard people say the leak mix wasn't as good as the CD, so I'm hoping it's at least a little different on the real thing...
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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
The songs should have built around the best drummer in the world: Danny Carey, instead of recycling endless guitar riffs.
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one tool fan to another.......
i could not disagree more
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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
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i could not disagree more
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05-01-2006, 07:38 PM
I agree. Dannys drums make the tool sound stick together so well...it would be lost without him so for that fact i think it should have been built more around him. Guitars on aenima and lateralus were mixed fine the only thing i had a problem with about laterallus were how maynard and the rest of the band sounded apart. It was like they recorded music then maynard just tried to sing over it instead of great mixing like in aenima.
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I agree. Dannys drums make the tool sound stick together so well...it would be lost without him so for that fact i think it should have been built more around him. Guitars on aenima and lateralus were mixed fine the only thing i had a problem with about laterallus were how maynard and the rest of the band sounded apart. It was like they recorded music then maynard just tried to sing over it instead of great mixing like in aenima.
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I agree. Dannys drums make the tool sound stick together so well...it would be lost without him so for that fact i think it should have been built more around him. Guitars on aenima and lateralus were mixed fine the only thing i had a problem with about laterallus were how maynard and the rest of the band sounded apart. It was like they recorded music then maynard just tried to sing over it instead of great mixing like in aenima.
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sorry, but who are you agreeing with?
i think danny's drums on this album were phenomemal (sp.....liquor)
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I agree. Dannys drums make the tool sound stick together so well...it would be lost without him so for that fact i think it should have been built more around him. Guitars on aenima and lateralus were mixed fine the only thing i had a problem with about laterallus were how maynard and the rest of the band sounded apart. It was like they recorded music then maynard just tried to sing over it instead of great mixing like in aenima.
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sorry, but who are you agreeing with?
i think danny's drums on this album were phenomemal (sp.....liquor)
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Actually, I think Danny really shines on this album. He's not busting dangerously loud crashes and snare hits all the time, but in his own subtle and beautiful fashion, he's really brought the instrument to a higher level. At first, I thought the same thing as you, that the guitar simply drowns out everything else...but when you actually sit down and intently listen, there are so many intricate lacings of timings, notes, and rhythms that it really is quite baffling. Hell, the actually CD may be more level in the mixing department, but I've found everything to be above par thus far.
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Actually, I think Danny really shines on this album. He's not busting dangerously loud crashes and snare hits all the time, but in his own subtle and beautiful fashion, he's really brought the instrument to a higher level. At first, I thought the same thing as you, that the guitar simply drowns out everything else...but when you actually sit down and intently listen, there are so many intricate lacings of timings, notes, and rhythms that it really is quite baffling. Hell, the actually CD may be more level in the mixing department, but I've found everything to be above par thus far.
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I was agreeing with the fact that the guitars were too loud and danny wasnt.
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I was agreeing with the fact that the guitars were too loud and danny wasnt.
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Ya im eager to hear the final product. I record and mix a lot of stuff of my own and for other local bands so i just have this thing about albums that arent mixed to my specific liking. Its a good album just not a fan of the mixing on 10kdays or lateralus. Aenima to me was perfectly mixed.
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Ya im eager to hear the final product. I record and mix a lot of stuff of my own and for other local bands so i just have this thing about albums that arent mixed to my specific liking. Its a good album just not a fan of the mixing on 10kdays or lateralus. Aenima to me was perfectly mixed.
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Actually, I think Danny really shines on this album. He's not busting dangerously loud crashes and snare hits all the time, but in his own subtle and beautiful fashion, he's really brought the instrument to a higher level.
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I know, and this is why I wish the guitar was brought down. There is some great drumming on here, but it's just overpowered by Adam's riffing.
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I know, and this is why I wish the guitar was brought down. There is some great drumming on here, but it's just overpowered by Adam's riffing.
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turn the drums and vocals up, guitars down slightly and keep the bass where it is... it would have been perfect
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turn the drums and vocals up, guitars down slightly and keep the bass where it is... it would have been perfect
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Actually, I think Danny really shines on this album. He's not busting dangerously loud crashes and snare hits all the time, but in his own subtle and beautiful fashion, he's really brought the instrument to a higher level. At first, I thought the same thing as you, that the guitar simply drowns out everything else...but when you actually sit down and intently listen, there are so many intricate lacings of timings, notes, and rhythms that it really is quite baffling. Hell, the actually CD may be more level in the mixing department, but I've found everything to be above par thus far.
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Actually, I think Danny really shines on this album. He's not busting dangerously loud crashes and snare hits all the time, but in his own subtle and beautiful fashion, he's really brought the instrument to a higher level. At first, I thought the same thing as you, that the guitar simply drowns out everything else...but when you actually sit down and intently listen, there are so many intricate lacings of timings, notes, and rhythms that it really is quite baffling. Hell, the actually CD may be more level in the mixing department, but I've found everything to be above par thus far.
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right on... danny has a different rhythm than the others on most tracks... and yet thye all meet at one in the end..... in cred i ble
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Understandable. I, personally, like that the intricacies are more subtle and not so much in the foreground...it kinds of makes you use your brain a little more when listening.
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Understandable. I, personally, like that the intricacies are more subtle and not so much in the foreground...it kinds of makes you use your brain a little more when listening.
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right on... danny has a different rhythm than the others on most tracks... and yet thye all meet at one in the end..... in cred i ble
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Understandable. I, personally, like that the intricacies are more subtle and not so much in the foreground...it kinds of makes you use your brain a little more when listening.
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heard him. Danny is my pick nothing you show me will make me think otherwise. Sorry my opinion.
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heard him. Danny is my pick nothing you show me will make me think otherwise. Sorry my opinion.
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heard him. Danny is my pick nothing you show me will make me think otherwise. Sorry my opinion.
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I'm not so sure that making the guitars louder really makes you use your brain anymore than normal. Sure, you will use your ears more because you have to listen more carefully to hear everything he's doing...but that's not really the same thing.
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I'm not so sure that making the guitars louder really makes you use your brain anymore than normal. Sure, you will use your ears more because you have to listen more carefully to hear everything he's doing...but that's not really the same thing.
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I can't believe someone else here listens to Hella. Zach Hill is the man, but I believe Danny is a little more skilled. Zach definately has the speed on Danny though, btw Zach only plays with a single bass pedal, which it all the more amazing. Also as a side note the drummer from Don Caballero, Damon Che, is absolutely amazing, in some songs he plays a beat with a 3 layered poly rythm. Back on topic though, i am a big fan of the mix on this cd, the bass really pops out.
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I can't believe someone else here listens to Hella. Zach Hill is the man, but I believe Danny is a little more skilled. Zach definately has the speed on Danny though, btw Zach only plays with a single bass pedal, which it all the more amazing. Also as a side note the drummer from Don Caballero, Damon Che, is absolutely amazing, in some songs he plays a beat with a 3 layered poly rythm. Back on topic though, i am a big fan of the mix on this cd, the bass really pops out.
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I'm not so sure that making the guitars louder really makes you use your brain anymore than normal. Sure, you will use your ears more because you have to listen more carefully to hear everything he's doing...but that's not really the same thing.
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Haha, I don't know, hell, it may just be me then, but I look at musix a bit differently than just listening. Maybe its just because I make music...but there's more to deciphering the intricate things certain musicians accomplish than just shoving your ear to the speaker. All just opinion and perspective, though.
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I'm not so sure that making the guitars louder really makes you use your brain anymore than normal. Sure, you will use your ears more because you have to listen more carefully to hear everything he's doing...but that's not really the same thing.
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Haha, I don't know, hell, it may just be me then, but I look at musix a bit differently than just listening. Maybe its just because I make music...but there's more to deciphering the intricate things certain musicians accomplish than just shoving your ear to the speaker. All just opinion and perspective, though.
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Haha, I don't know, hell, it may just be me then, but I look at musix a bit differently than just listening. Maybe its just because I make music...but there's more to deciphering the intricate things certain musicians accomplish than just shoving your ear to the speaker. All just opinion and perspective, though.
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The ears works sans brain?
Haha, I don't know, hell, it may just be me then, but I look at musix a bit differently than just listening. Maybe its just because I make music...but there's more to deciphering the intricate things certain musicians accomplish than just shoving your ear to the speaker. All just opinion and perspective, though.
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Musix...just caught that and it made me giggle.
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Musix...just caught that and it made me giggle.
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yeah i noticed the drumming didnt sound too flash on the leak and having got the real thing the other day its still not that good. I mean its danny carrey the king of drums, they sound sweet as, but the guitars do drown him out somewhat
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yeah i noticed the drumming didnt sound too flash on the leak and having got the real thing the other day its still not that good. I mean its danny carrey the king of drums, they sound sweet as, but the guitars do drown him out somewhat
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Agreed with most of you that say "more Danny". The drumming is what stands out for me the most in all the albums, and it's being drowned out by the guitar riffs in this one. Hopefully the real CD will balance it out better.
That being said, 10,000 Days is still awesome. The more I listen to it the more I pick up as far as different sounds go.
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Agreed with most of you that say "more Danny". The drumming is what stands out for me the most in all the albums, and it's being drowned out by the guitar riffs in this one. Hopefully the real CD will balance it out better.
That being said, 10,000 Days is still awesome. The more I listen to it the more I pick up as far as different sounds go.
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Also, the record most definately would not be released if Danny wasn't happy with it, and Danny wouldn't be happy with it unless what he heard appealed to him in a great way...so that's good enough for me. Maybe he's looking to make people get a little closer to their speakers and really let the music penetrate them...draw them in closer so they can fully appreciate every detail? If not, it sounds like a good album premise to me, so I'll use it. Heh.
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Also, the record most definately would not be released if Danny wasn't happy with it, and Danny wouldn't be happy with it unless what he heard appealed to him in a great way...so that's good enough for me. Maybe he's looking to make people get a little closer to their speakers and really let the music penetrate them...draw them in closer so they can fully appreciate every detail? If not, it sounds like a good album premise to me, so I'll use it. Heh.
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Anyone else absolutely love the drum solo on Right in Two? That's quite possibly my favorite part of the album...
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yeah i noticed the drumming didnt sound too flash on the leak and having got the real thing the other day its still not that good. I mean its danny carrey the king of drums, they sound sweet as, but the guitars do drown him out somewhat
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Agreed, the quality of the leak isn't that much different to the quality of the CD. Danny's drumming is great, but it's too soft... I was hoping the drums would have a higher volume in the CD version than the leak, but it's not really the case. Hopefully I'll get used to it.
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yeah i noticed the drumming didnt sound too flash on the leak and having got the real thing the other day its still not that good. I mean its danny carrey the king of drums, they sound sweet as, but the guitars do drown him out somewhat
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Agreed, the quality of the leak isn't that much different to the quality of the CD. Danny's drumming is great, but it's too soft... I was hoping the drums would have a higher volume in the CD version than the leak, but it's not really the case. Hopefully I'll get used to it.
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While I understand what you're getting at, this is not at all what I said. You seemed to imply that having the guitars louder in the mix causes the listener to concentrate or 'use their brain a little more' while listening. What I'm saying is that this additional effort to pick out the subtle things that Danny is doing is not so much an intellectual pursuit as it is simply unnecessary. I mean, using this logic one could say that a completely incoherent mix is not so much 'crap' as it is 'challenging.'
But I digress. Like ya said, it's all preference. I've done a few mixes and I'm taking some recording classes right now so I think that has made me more picky than normal. I've become a snob! An ear snob!
And semi-sentient, I can't speak for everyone but I haven't been saying "more Danny" - I've been saying "less Adam." :D
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While I understand what you're getting at, this is not at all what I said. You seemed to imply that having the guitars louder in the mix causes the listener to concentrate or 'use their brain a little more' while listening. What I'm saying is that this additional effort to pick out the subtle things that Danny is doing is not so much an intellectual pursuit as it is simply unnecessary. I mean, using this logic one could say that a completely incoherent mix is not so much 'crap' as it is 'challenging.'
But I digress. Like ya said, it's all preference. I've done a few mixes and I'm taking some recording classes right now so I think that has made me more picky than normal. I've become a snob! An ear snob!
And semi-sentient, I can't speak for everyone but I haven't been saying "more Danny" - I've been saying "less Adam." :D
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Anyone else absolutely love the drum solo on Right in Two? That's quite possibly my favorite part of the album...
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Anyone else absolutely love the drum solo on Right in Two? That's quite possibly my favorite part of the album...
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05-01-2006, 08:20 PM
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Agreed, the quality of the leak isn't that much different to the quality of the CD. Danny's drumming is great, but it's too soft... I was hoping the drums would have a higher volume in the CD version than the leak, but it's not really the case. Hopefully I'll get used to it.
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headphones? comp speakers? i am wondering because on my stereo this sounds mind bending.
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Agreed, the quality of the leak isn't that much different to the quality of the CD. Danny's drumming is great, but it's too soft... I was hoping the drums would have a higher volume in the CD version than the leak, but it's not really the case. Hopefully I'll get used to it.
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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
The songs should have built around the best drummer in the world: Danny Carey, instead of recycling endless guitar riffs.
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Much of 10000 Days sounds like a guitar training session, the riffs are mixed WAY too loud over the drum (beat).
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headphones? comp speakers? i am wondering because on my stereo this sounds mind bending.
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Headphones (not earphones) through a stereo. I'm not really a production connoisseur so maybe I'm missing the subtleties. I have to concentrate to hear the drums (for better or for worse)...
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While I understand what you're getting at, this is not at all what I said. You seemed to imply that having the guitars louder in the mix causes the listener to concentrate or 'use their brain a little more' while listening. What I'm saying is that this additional effort to pick out the subtle things that Danny is doing is not so much an intellectual pursuit as it is simply unnecessary. I mean, using this logic one could say that a completely incoherent mix is not so much 'crap' as it is 'challenging.'
But I digress. Like ya said, it's all preference. I've done a few mixes and I'm taking some recording classes right now so I think that has made me more picky than normal. I've become a snob! An ear snob!
And semi-sentient, I can't speak for everyone but I haven't been saying "more Danny" - I've been saying "less Adam." :D
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Indeed. But I think some music and the musicians who create it are intent on making it almost, dare I say, less accessible. It almost, to me, seems like an attempt to kind of scare away the casual listener into disliking it or disliking the levels and draw in a select crowd of intent ears. Just mindless theories, all my ranting.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and understand your opinions, I just have different ones. It's all good, though, because in the end, everyone gets a new Tool record so there's very little complaining from me.
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While I understand what you're getting at, this is not at all what I said. You seemed to imply that having the guitars louder in the mix causes the listener to concentrate or 'use their brain a little more' while listening. What I'm saying is that this additional effort to pick out the subtle things that Danny is doing is not so much an intellectual pursuit as it is simply unnecessary. I mean, using this logic one could say that a completely incoherent mix is not so much 'crap' as it is 'challenging.'
But I digress. Like ya said, it's all preference. I've done a few mixes and I'm taking some recording classes right now so I think that has made me more picky than normal. I've become a snob! An ear snob!
And semi-sentient, I can't speak for everyone but I haven't been saying "more Danny" - I've been saying "less Adam." :D
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Indeed. But I think some music and the musicians who create it are intent on making it almost, dare I say, less accessible. It almost, to me, seems like an attempt to kind of scare away the casual listener into disliking it or disliking the levels and draw in a select crowd of intent ears. Just mindless theories, all my ranting.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and understand your opinions, I just have different ones. It's all good, though, because in the end, everyone gets a new Tool record so there's very little complaining from me.
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you should be Tool's producer and leader. if they followed everything you said they would actually be a good band. tool is not a good band and the music they make sucks.
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i am happy to hear you say that. perhhaps soon you will leave.
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i am happy to hear you say that. perhhaps soon you will leave.
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Indeed. But I think some music and the musicians who create it are intent on making it almost, dare I say, less accessible. It almost, to me, seems like an attempt to kind of scare away the casual listener into disliking it or disliking the levels and draw in a select crowd of intent ears. Just mindless theories, all my ranting.
Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and understand your opinions, I just have different ones. It's all good, though, because in the end, everyone gets a new Tool record so there's very little complaining from me.
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Indeed. But I think some music and the musicians who create it are intent on making it almost, dare I say, less accessible. It almost, to me, seems like an attempt to kind of scare away the casual listener into disliking it or disliking the levels and draw in a select crowd of intent ears. Just mindless theories, all my ranting.
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Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and understand your opinions, I just have different ones. It's all good, though, because in the end, everyone gets a new Tool record so there's very little complaining from me.
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Aye, that's the crux of the biscuit.
One part on this album I love is the electronic drumming in Intension - very reminiscent of newer King Crimson.
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Anyway, I can see where you're coming from and understand your opinions, I just have different ones. It's all good, though, because in the end, everyone gets a new Tool record so there's very little complaining from me.
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Aye, that's the crux of the biscuit.
One part on this album I love is the electronic drumming in Intension - very reminiscent of newer King Crimson.
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Thats what i thought on my 420th post a second ago.
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Aye, that's the crux of the biscuit.
One part on this album I love is the electronic drumming in Intension - very reminiscent of newer King Crimson.
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Agreed. Quite good.
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Haha. Those are the moments you'll never get back.
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05-02-2006, 12:22 AM
im listening to the CD right now. the quality of the sound is FAR FAR superior compared to the leaked version. if you cant hear that, you DEFINITELY need a better sound system or headphones. that being said, the drumming is quite prevalent on the album... the difference is that adam is taking a much more agressive and 'lead' type of role, and that gives the impression that danny has been moved in to the background when it, to me, actually seems like they have SERIOUSLY integrated their respective parts to a level that they have never achieved. they are so well balanced that you have to concentrate to be able to notice anything in particular. at first the guitar seems to be overbearing, but after a couple listens of getting used to this new sound, it falls in to place as a more balanced sound that doesnt push the guitar out of the ear in favor of over-reliance on the drums. but that's just my opinion.
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im listening to the CD right now. the quality of the sound is FAR FAR superior compared to the leaked version. if you cant hear that, you DEFINITELY need a better sound system or headphones. that being said, the drumming is quite prevalent on the album... the difference is that adam is taking a much more agressive and 'lead' type of role, and that gives the impression that danny has been moved in to the background when it, to me, actually seems like they have SERIOUSLY integrated their respective parts to a level that they have never achieved. they are so well balanced that you have to concentrate to be able to notice anything in particular. at first the guitar seems to be overbearing, but after a couple listens of getting used to this new sound, it falls in to place as a more balanced sound that doesnt push the guitar out of the ear in favor of over-reliance on the drums. but that's just my opinion.
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