This, IMO, is the most important song on the album, and I can't find lyrics to match what the song says anywhere, so here we go... (This is what I hear)
Two times that
I've been struck dumb by a voice that
Speaks from deep
Beneath the endless black water that’s
Twice as clear as heaven
Twice as loud as reason
Deep and rich like silt on a riverbed
And just as never ending
Currents mouth below me
Opens up around me
Suggests and beckons all while swallowing
It surrounds and drowns and wipes me away
But I'm so comfortable
So comfortable
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
You're saturating me
How could I let this bring me
Back to my knees
Third time that
I've been baptized by the voice that
Screams from deep
Beneath the cold black water that’s
Half as high as heaven
Half as clear as reason
Cold and black like silt on the riverbed
And just as never ending
Currents mouth below me
Opens up around me
Suggests and beckons all while swallowing
It surrounds and drowns and wipes me away
But I'm so comfortable
So comfortable
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
Shut up
You're saturating me
How could I let it happen
Why don't you kill me
I'm weak and numb and insignificant
How could I let this bring me
Back to my knees
Eu-phor-i-a
Eu-phor-i-a
Eu-phor-i-a
Eu-phor-i-a
I'm back down in the undertow
I'm helpless and I’m awake
I’m in the undertow
I die beneath the undertow
There doesn’t seem no other way out of the undertow
Eu-phor-i-a
OK everyone, let's tear it apart...
__________________ Debbie's smiling and waving her gun...
Picking off cheerleaders one by one
without confirming or denying, i'm gonna use this relevant thread to insist that the lyrics on toolshed are incorrect in far too many places (and especially concerning undertow). seriously, who the fuck gives a shit if maynard handed 'em unto us? how the fuck are people going to accurately synthesize or comment on specific interpretations if everything is up in the air? are the shit lyrics intentional? maybe. if so, can we not put it aside (if only for comparison's sake) and get back to what's actually on the albums?
i'm thinking that this is why maynard states "you better listen" in rosetta stoned, but i may be mistaken there (MANY of those "official" lyrics are off as well).
Tell me about it. I had to listen to this song a dozen times and use the "official" lyrics to piece that together. I agree though, it's sometimes tough to try to get meaning from the song if we don't know all the words...
__________________ Debbie's smiling and waving her gun...
Picking off cheerleaders one by one
two times in i've been struck dumb by a voice
that speaks from deep beneath the endless water
it's twice as clear as heaven twice as loud as reason
even rich like silt on a riverbed just as neverending
the current's mouth below me (yeah) opens up around me
suggests and beckons all while swallowing
surrounds and drowns and washed me away
oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
how could i let this bring me back to my knees
third time in i've been baptized by a voice
that screams from deep beneath the cold black water
it's half as high as heaven half as clear as reason
cold and black like silt on a riverbed and just as neverending
the current's mouth below me opens up around me
suggests and beckons all while swallowing
surrounds and drowns and washed me away
oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
how could i let it happen (again?)
why don't you kill me i am weak and numb and insignificant
how could i let this bring me back to my knees
euphoria euphoria euphoria euphoria
i'm back down i'm in the undertow
i'm hopeless and on the way i'm in the undertow
lie dead in the undertow
there doesn't seem no other way out of the undertow
euphoria
i swear, if iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii had a website like this (the money and time to waste), this collective fanbase would have a much better "starting point" concerning tool/maynard's "tedious path". "you may say i'm a dreamer"...
...but, hey, i'll leave the arguement to the "collective" - a misinformed tool fan, or an informed tool fan? btw, and sadly, it has been easy seperating the two while surfing 'round this forum.
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Last edited by iAMtheMA!; 12-13-2006 at 11:43 AM..
without confirming or denying, i'm gonna use this relevant thread to insist that the lyrics on toolshed are incorrect in far too many places (and especially concerning undertow). seriously, who the fuck gives a shit if maynard handed 'em unto us? how the fuck are people going to accurately synthesize or comment on specific interpretations if everything is up in the air? are the shit lyrics intentional? maybe. if so, can we not put it aside (if only for comparison's sake) and get back to what's actually on the albums?
i'm thinking that this is why maynard states "you better listen" in rosetta stoned, but i may be mistaken there (MANY of those "official" lyrics are off as well).
still...
I think the official lyrics are not wrong intentionally. Maybe they are the lyrics how Maynard had planned them once, but when it came to recording the album, he noticed that they didn't fit into the song so well as he thought and so he changed them spontaneously a bit so that the context is not changed but they sound better with the rest of the song.
well, your stance certainly follows toolshed's disclaimers: "these are the lyrics straight from the source. they form a blueprint for each performance of each song. they may vary at times, but the above words were typed by the guy who sings them. let them be your starting point." yeah well, sorry, but i'm actually kinda bothered trying to communicate with fans "so comfortable" with this bullshit; it just doesn't satisfy me, so i'm speaking up. i have a few immediate instances in mind that could suggest that the incorrect lyrics submitted to the internet, or "words by maynard jamez keenan", were indeed intentional (oh, and that "z" in "james" was one of them). how about the idea that the continual misinterpretation of "dumb-ass" only furthers the true insult of "'cause you're a dumb AND belligerent fucker" within "swamp song"? or how about the fact that toolband has an asterisk after "and you will come to find that we are all one mind" to mention "waiting for confirmation" during "reflection"? a lot of it may not have been intentional (since maynard probably doesn't care to indulge upon what we all should've known by now), but ...well, i've proved my point. let's get these lyrics correct already.
omg, i JUST posted this shit. You're seriously upset because "the man" wouldn't get you the "right" lyrics?? Listen to the music. Your sig says "think for yourself"....its good advice for someone as ignorant as you. Do you actually need every song spelled out for you?
Obviously he posted what he feels. Now go listen to the songs and decide what YOU feel.
uhhhhhhhhhhh, heh - a joke, right? (?!) ...no?! well then, first off (and indeed fuck off), i certainly do the work. to filter your bullshit post even further, IF he merely wrote about "what he feels" (which isn't really so "obvious", by the way), and a ton of the lyrics aren't even close to what the studio albums contain ...then what do you think "the man" feels for delivering accurate lyrics? the guy has already done plenty for us, let him be - it's supposed to be our turn. YET, even after more than a decade, we're all just "so comfortable" with 'em; are we really to lay so goddamn complacent with such inaccuracies? what the hell kind of fanbase tool-appreciation website is this anyway? i've been able to make plenty of valid points concerning how retarded this site has handled the passing of nardo's "official" lyrics (which are incorrect, a true example of what's "obvious") and i realize you're not denying the fact*; however, as disheartening as it is, i've actually witnessed too many members of this forum bash and then refer others to the lyrics section in toolshed for the "hard" information, to help 'em delve "better" into the understanding behind the music we all say we love ...and then everyone posts stupid fuckin' interpretations based on those same very weak foundations. please, don't preach (er, spout leary) to me about others' inability to listen, guy.
and "omg", eh? we're still doing that shit? i suppose, then, that this is where i search for an emoticon button to properly display an iritated and otherwise astonished rolling of the eyes t'wards your piece of shit backlash ...i mean, right?
here's the edit (notice the asterisk above):
* apparently, eapatty01 (whoever the fuck you are), after having to research, within the pushit "right lyrics" thread, your out-of-context mentioning of "i JUST posted this shit" ('cause it confused me), you are indeed and futilely trying to deny fact. i can't help to think that you may be of a southern baptist background. am i close? (?!) ...no?! heh, sure fooled me.
"i'm just kidding"
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Last edited by iAMtheMA!; 12-14-2006 at 01:35 AM..
two times in i've been struck dumb by a voice
that speaks from deep beneath the endless water
it's twice as clear as heaven twice as loud as reason
even rich like silt on a riverbed just as neverending
the current's mouth below me (yeah) opens up around me
suggests and beckons all while swallowing
surrounds and drowns and washed me away
oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
how could i let this bring me back to my knees
third time in i've been baptized by a voice
that screams from deep beneath the cold black water
it's half as high as heaven half as clear as reason
cold and black like silt on a riverbed and just as neverending
the current's mouth below me opens up around me
suggests and beckons all while swallowing
surrounds and drowns and washed me away
oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
how could i let it happen (again?)
why don't you kill me i am weak and numb and insignificant
how could i let this bring me back to my knees
euphoria euphoria euphoria euphoria
i'm back down i'm in the undertow
i'm hopeless and on the way i'm in the undertow
lie dead in the undertow
there doesn't seem no other way out of the undertow
"this collective fanbase would have a much better "starting point" concerning tool/maynard's "tedious path". "you may say i'm a dreamer"..."
Because the fans want to know.
"Let them figure it out for themselves. I'd rather have them seek
out the information, then they've made some effort, then they deserve
to find out what the songs are about. If they just pick up a
magazine and it's all spelled out for them, they're not discovering
anything. I'd rather they do some research..."
That being said, i don;t think knowing the lyrics are going to take anything away from me. It's not a mind exercise, it's a how well do your headphones work.
__________________ Debbie's smiling and waving her gun...
Picking off cheerleaders one by one
since i'm sure you didn't even look at my lyrics whilst listening...
"undertow" lyric number, as transcribed by:
a. iAMtheMA!
b. There is no spoon
c. toolshed.down.net/lyrics/undertowlyrics.php (maynard*)
01
a. two times in i've been struck dumb by a voice
b. two times that i've been struck dumb by a voice
c. gone under two times i've been struck dumb by a voice
02
a. that speaks from deep beneath the endless water
b. that speaks from deep beneath the endless black water
c. that speaks from deep beneath the cold black water
03
a. it's twice as clear as heaven twice as loud as reason
b. that’s twice as clear as heaven twice as loud as reason
c. it's twice as clear as heaven and twice as loud as reason
04
a. even rich like silt on a riverbed and just as never-ending
b. deep and rich like silt on a riverbed and just as never-ending
c. it's deep and rich like silt on a riverbed and just as undisturbing
05
a. the current's mouth below me (yeah) opens up around me
b. currents mouth below me opens up around me
c. the currents mouth below me opens up around me
06
a. suggests and beckons all while swallowing
b. suggests and beckons all while swallowing
c. suggests and beckons all while swallowing
07
a. surrounds and drowns and washed me away
b. it surrounds and drowns and wipes me away
c. it surrounds and drowns and sweeps me away
08
a. oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
b. but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
c. but i'm so comfortable too comfortable
09
a. shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
b. shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
c. shut up shut up shut up shut up (2x/echo/delay?) you're saturating me
10
a. how could i let this bring me back to my knees
b. how could i let this bring me back to my knees
c. so how could i let this bring me back to my knees again again again
11
a. third time in i've been baptized by a voice
b. third time that i've been baptized by the voice
c. under for the third time i've been baptized by your voice
12
a. that screams from deep beneath the cold black water
b. that screams from deep beneath the cold black water
c. it screams from deep beneath the endless water
13
a. it's half as high as heaven half as clear as reason
b. that’s half as high as heaven half as clear as reason
c. and it's half as high as heaven and half as clear as reason
14
a. cold and black like silt on a riverbed and just as never-ending
b. cold and black like silt on the riverbed and just as never-ending
c. it's cold and and black like silt on the riverbed
15
a. the current's mouth below me (yeah) opens up around me
b. currents mouth below me opens up around me
c. ???
16
a. suggests and beckons all while swallowing
b. suggests and beckons all while swallowing
c. ???
17
a. surrounds and drowns and washed me away
b. it surrounds and drowns and wipes me away
c. ???
18
a. oh but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
b. but i'm so comfortable so comfortable
c. but i'm so comfortable far too comfortable
19
a. shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
b. shut up shut up shut up shut up you're saturating me
c. ???
20
a. how could i let it happen again
b. how could i let it happen
c. ???
21
a. why don't you kill me i am weak and numb and insignificant
b. why don't you kill me i'm weak and numb and insignificant
c. why don't you kill me i'm weak and numb and insignificant
22
a. how could i let this bring me back to my knees
b. how could i let this bring me back to my knees
c. and i'm back on my knees
23
a. euphoria euphoria euphoria euphoria
b. euphoria euphoria euphoria euphoria
c. lost in euphoria
24
a. i'm back down i'm in the undertow
b. i'm back down in the undertow
c. i'm back down i'm in the undertow
25
a. i'm hopeless and on the way i'm in the undertow
b. i'm helpless and i’m awake i’m in the undertow
c. i'm helpless and awake in the undertow
26
a. lie dead beneath the undertow
b. i die beneath the undertow
c. i'll die within your undertow
27
a. there doesn't seem no other way out of the undertow
b. there doesn’t seem no other way out of the undertow
c. it seems there's no other way out of this undertow
* "these are the lyrics straight from the source. they form a blueprint for each performance of each song. they may vary at times, but the above words were typed by the guy who sings them. let them be your starting point." - tdn (which means that the lyrics on toolshed are not accurate to the album ...they are infact subtle commentaries by maynard.)
we've a lot of work to do.
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Last edited by iAMtheMA!; 12-15-2006 at 11:04 AM..
anyone? spoon? did you see how retarded those "official" lyrics are? did you see how "there is no spoon" even followed a lot of 'em?!?! blind faith is a bitch, credulists. which proves my point... we have idiotic tool fans (who don't even listen to the fuckin' music) creating idiotic tool threads/posts, and an entire fanbase content with a site's somewhat-disinformation.
the exact lyrics to undertow are irrelavent. within the three versions that are posted there are no crucial parts that significantly change the songs obvious meaning. if you are rackin your brain trying to figure out exactly how the song goes on the album then you probably care about it more than the writer; who does sing it different every time (probably depending on the combination of drugs he's on) and who obviously didn't care about writing it the exact way he sang it on the album. if your trying to dig into maynards brain then it is probably best to piece the evidence together to try to understand the perspective and intentions that he is coming from. p.s. this is to you iamthema!
well, these corrections are in response to the thread, an immediate response. i organized the lyrics in this one, but i could've gone through other tracks with obvious differences to whatever meanings. also, i understand that tool has done a lot of things different from what's on the albums, but we can't even agree on the one version these forums take format under. it's not a major thing, but i can't imagine that it'd be a major thing to change - to discuss and collaborate. am i really so out of line here? dah...
the thing that i don't get is the importance of having or agreeing on the songs lyrical structure when a) maynard doesn't even know. (or Care) b) it doesn't change the theme of the song in its entirety and c) alot of what maynard wants is to think for our selves and have our own ideas; i don't think maynard wants his thoughts to be idolized. i think he wants to be a trend setter of thinking for ourselves (I am not saying that his thoughts are right, but.... the foundation in which they are derived from is essential in not being succeptable to being brainwashed) in other words think for yourself, question authority. This quote is actually fairly ironic in the tool world because most fans don't even question maynard. message to maynard... Publicly renounce your throne and let your people free!
mark twain's "it ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. it's what you know for sure that just ain't so." - without suggesting any level of comfort, i feel like this is where i was at early on. you're right, it is awfully ironic (and just plain awful) to push for consensus while spouting "think for yourself", but i'm coming across too many threads and ideas that'll fall apart just because someone starts insisting upon the "official" lyrics as an accurate translation of maynard's efforts. that's what i don't get. it just seems like disinformation to me, so i question it. but should i nudge this "not a major issue" into light, or let it be? i'm thinking now that it might more of a distraction than anything else.
blindman, are you here to "show us the way"?
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Last edited by iAMtheMA!; 12-26-2006 at 10:12 PM..
Hey all. Sometimes you just wanna know the lyrics in order to sing along in your car without having to go....
Currents mouth below me
Opens up around me
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH while swallowing
It surrounds and drowns and wipes me away
hahaha that's exactly what I do. Kind of like in Eulogy, or Third Eye, when he says "You could be the one who saves me from my own existence" or "I opened my eye and there we were," before I knew those were the lyrics, I just kinda made talkbox noises along with maynard.
the lyrics to undertow are changed as time goes on, new experiences, new people talking about them, new people listening to them. so the relevance to wether one word is slightly different to the other should be left open to an individuals perspective.
if theres one thing ive learnt from spending al these hours reading thoughts and researching ideas and points then its tht the beauty of tool is tht there is always goin to be a debate as to what is actually being said and why its being said. the simple fact that there can be so many enterpretations is just brilliant in my opinion. Though being able to come up with a new perspective or understanding to these songs would help if lyrics were more defined.
BTW, iAMtheMA!, dont know if its intentional but through reading this thread your points were cool and insightful, but your attitude and mannerisms of speaking are hilarious. loved it.
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Don't get big ideas, they are not going to happen.
that line shut up shut up shut up, the echoe part reminds me of H. when they go 'i dont mind, o i dont mind' the same effect. both are pretty sweet uses of it
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Mattywasaracecardriver ....I'm not sure how lyrics change over time. That doesn't even make sense. I started this thread not for interpretation, but for actual words. Regardless of the meaning, I just want to know what is actually being said on the CD that I bought almost 14 years ago.
__________________ Debbie's smiling and waving her gun...
Picking off cheerleaders one by one
an example of what i mean is on this tool lyrics site.
* All references to "shoot you in your fucking head" are now performed live as "fuck you in your fucking ass" -- clearly a more appropriate message for the times.
I'm sure there have been more changes like this to the songs by Maynard, as we all know, the lyrics differ to so many songs when performed live, to go with new ideas, and extended versions.
But yeah ok, i cant give you the adsact words so ill shut up. :)
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Re: The actual lyrics to Undertow...
Although live performances may vary, I think some people feel (myself included) that the studio recorded album is THE one to go by. Since that will never change, I would really like to know what he's saying for the sake of knowing. Not that it will change the meaning of the song, but it'll bring clarity to some parts of it. Wanting to know what he's really saying doesn't have anything do with thinking or not thinking for yourself.
Although live performances may vary, I think some people feel (myself included) that the studio recorded album is THE one to go by. Since that will never change, I would really like to know what he's saying for the sake of knowing. Not that it will change the meaning of the song, but it'll bring clarity to some parts of it. Wanting to know what he's really saying doesn't have anything do with thinking or not thinking for yourself.
THANK GOD SOMEONE FINALLY GETS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I started this thread to get actual lyrics, not meanings, not interpretations, not feelings, not opinions about life, not pictures of Kate Pierson of the B52s, not heresay, not anyhting else. just what the album has on it.
__________________ Debbie's smiling and waving her gun...
Picking off cheerleaders one by one
* All references to "shoot you in your fucking head" are now performed live as "fuck you in your fucking ass" -- clearly a more appropriate message for the times.
That's what I thought it was when I heard the song live, but it's "My foot up your fucking ass." At least, that's the way it is on every bootleg I've heard.
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<nChainz> did you add salt?
<e4t> no I'm not drinkin' martinis ffs
<ru5ty> wat
ok first of all, i always thought the song was about getting sucked into drug abuse, just like many other tool songs, which either means they're analogies or coincidences, or jesus christ maynard, realize it ONCE that you can't control drug addiction and move on.
aaaaaanyway, when he posts the "official lyrics" that are inaccurate, he's probably posting what he has in his lyric book. The original lyrics written down might have been "i don't want to rot in apathetic existence" but when they played and recorded it, it got shortened to something more like "and i know i won't rot in.."
there's an alice in chains album in which Layne Staley pretty mcuh wrote all the lyrics in the studio, so what he put on paper, had in his head, and actually sang on the final take were probably all completely different. There's a lyric in the song Frogs that's like "flowers watched through wide brown eyes" but he recording sounds like "flowers watched through wide eyes blue" or "floweres watched through wide eyes bloom" it happens all the time
since i'm sure you didn't even look at my lyrics whilst listening...
we've a lot of work to do.
I cannot believe you went to that much effort - that is insane (and totally awesome).
I agree Priti,
Quote:
Although live performances may vary, I think some people feel (myself included) that the studio recorded album is THE one to go by. Since that will never change, I would really like to know what he's saying for the sake of knowing. Not that it will change the meaning of the song, but it'll bring clarity to some parts of it. Wanting to know what he's really saying doesn't have anything do with thinking or not thinking for yourself