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you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
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you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
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One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
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One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
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you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
I stand corrected. I was just going by a definition used on goole.
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you are putting too much emphasis on overlap than you are transition. A seque is merely a transition.
I stand corrected. I was just going by a definition used on goole.
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I disagree those segues made the album that much more of a journey.
Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.

Just my personal opinion, but I'm glad that there won't be a lot of those tracks. I just hope we don't get surprised with another LAMC.

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I disagree those segues made the album that much more of a journey.
Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.

Just my personal opinion, but I'm glad that there won't be a lot of those tracks. I just hope we don't get surprised with another LAMC.

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longer and heavier? hmm songs like meshuggah? seems ok to me
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longer and heavier? hmm songs like meshuggah? seems ok to me
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there's alot of '11's in that tracklist - hmmm could be a secret message ... discuss
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there's alot of '11's in that tracklist - hmmm could be a secret message ... discuss
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This gets me even more excited
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This gets me even more excited
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I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
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I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
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sounds good to me.

EDIT: well except the last weird song being 5 minutes, especially if its like faaip. Kind of long, hopefully it will be trippy atleast.
remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order
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sounds good to me.

EDIT: well except the last weird song being 5 minutes, especially if its like faaip. Kind of long, hopefully it will be trippy atleast.
remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Uh, Parabol, Disposition and Reflection are NOT segues.

Your misinterpreting the definition of the word.
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Uh, Parabol, Disposition and Reflection are NOT segues.

Your misinterpreting the definition of the word.
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Track lengths don't do much for me. I thought we pretty much knew all of this.

How long until someone says something like "the track lengths are just one more disappointment about this album." ???

I'm ready for some music.
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Track lengths don't do much for me. I thought we pretty much knew all of this.

How long until someone says something like "the track lengths are just one more disappointment about this album." ???

I'm ready for some music.
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Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.
So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
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Those seques were interesting, but that's about it. When Ænima came out, I would play it while I was going to sleep. That Message To Harry Manback always freaked me out. I speak Italian, and just to wake up to some guy telling me to "suck dicks on an airplane" was a little unnerving.
So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
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One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)
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One thing I'm confused about, is Lost Keys a seperate song or is it part of Rosetta Stoned?
im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)
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remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order

pretty sure they were in order, just no names. cuz if you follow along andys review it fits.
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remember though, at the listening parties the tracks werent set in any order

pretty sure they were in order, just no names. cuz if you follow along andys review it fits.
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already been said, choice
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already been said, choice
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
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Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
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Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
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im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)

yeah im thinking that too. and the daedalian piece was just another song or songs and what Adam was talking about.
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im thinking LK is an intro of sorts to RS (in the manner of parabol/parabola)

yeah im thinking that too. and the daedalian piece was just another song or songs and what Adam was talking about.
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After reading the Andy King review, it was my understanding that Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned were connected...perhaps intended to be part of the same song...if this is true, then what we have on our hands is an album that may have 2 pieces of music exceeding 15 minutes each.

Epic isn't the right word...but its the first word that comes to mind.
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After reading the Andy King review, it was my understanding that Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned were connected...perhaps intended to be part of the same song...if this is true, then what we have on our hands is an album that may have 2 pieces of music exceeding 15 minutes each.

Epic isn't the right word...but its the first word that comes to mind.
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too

if you read Andys review 2 months ago or so, he thought The Pot was gonna be the first single cuz it seemed most commericial
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too

if you read Andys review 2 months ago or so, he thought The Pot was gonna be the first single cuz it seemed most commericial
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Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
And, they are too derivative of the Lateralus track lengths.
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Those track lengths are just not toolish enough.
And, they are too derivative of the Lateralus track lengths.
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Disposition is a segue into Reflection but Reflection is not a segue into Triad. Reflection ends and then Triad fades in. The only overlapping sound is whatever it is that sounds like a train slowed down or a ship in the background before the fade in of Triad. But that sound is only at the very end of Reflection as a 'segue-patch'. You never hear it during the course of the song.
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
Disposition is a segue into Reflection but Reflection is not a segue into Triad. Reflection ends and then Triad fades in. The only overlapping sound is whatever it is that sounds like a train slowed down or a ship in the background before the fade in of Triad. But that sound is only at the very end of Reflection as a 'segue-patch'. You never hear it during the course of the song.
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I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.
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I'm glad there aren't as many intros or segues but whatever. means more epics and longer songs. and guess what? this is how it turned out. not like they timed themselves.
If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
"the pot" will be the 2nd single and, per the king review, is the most commercial friendly song tool have done

no doubt it will be a killer track
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ok...

but good job on getting the lengths anyway. Looking forward to hearing the 11 minute ones. Still I was thinking "The Pot" would be a seuge type thing. All we need is a 6 minute song about a pot... lookin forward to hearing that one too
"the pot" will be the 2nd single and, per the king review, is the most commercial friendly song tool have done

no doubt it will be a killer track
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looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
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looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
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If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.

oh yeah, I like that better though.
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If you remember what adam said in the GW interview there were a lot of segues and interludes in the songs. So i think there are a lot of transitional music parts within the songs going into the next track instead of giving them their own name and track on the album.

oh yeah, I like that better though.
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tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
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tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...


yeah...i feel like BMB owes us an explanation about this...

My theory is that Ryan actually guessed the real "LK" title in the infamous "LK Thread" here at TDN so the band changed it.

(The real title: "LOL, Kidding"
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...


yeah...i feel like BMB owes us an explanation about this...

My theory is that Ryan actually guessed the real "LK" title in the infamous "LK Thread" here at TDN so the band changed it.

(The real title: "LOL, Kidding"
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18

maybe im wrong though
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18

maybe im wrong though
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tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
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tool should've just self titled this album and had one big 79 minute track called Fuck You
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
No, I just think everyone assumed daedalous piece was L.K in the newsletter. I think he would've said L.K cuz he always refered to it as that.
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
No, I just think everyone assumed daedalous piece was L.K in the newsletter. I think he would've said L.K cuz he always refered to it as that.
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So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
Nope, it was Italian. Don't remember exactly what he's saying, but he says "piece of shit" over and over.

Yeah, so now the track times are out, I'm bored with it already.
Gonna go listen to 81st Chakra, message me if anything special happens.
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So, it was in Italian. I thought it was in Portuguese.
Nope, it was Italian. Don't remember exactly what he's saying, but he says "piece of shit" over and over.

Yeah, so now the track times are out, I'm bored with it already.
Gonna go listen to 81st Chakra, message me if anything special happens.
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
the opus could be lost keys + rosetta stoned...
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So the big opus "LK" Blair kept talking about was renamed to Wings for Marie and divided into 2 parts, and Lost Keys just coincidentally has the same initials....interesting...
the opus could be lost keys + rosetta stoned...
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
that's only sort of half-way true.
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Mantra and Message to Harry Manback are not segues.

Segue: A gradual transition between two audio sources. The sources overlap as they go from one to another.

Parabol, Disposition, Reflection, and Intermission are segues.
that's only sort of half-way true.
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looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
as has been said

a track can fall through peaks and valleys without being separated into the "segues" that aenima made such great use of..

adam mentioned in the GW article an increased focus on "allowing things to breathe" so you should still expect lots of downtime and transition
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looks epic as hell....and I'm seriously loving this lack of segues....it should make for a much more streamlined, intense experience.
as has been said

a track can fall through peaks and valleys without being separated into the "segues" that aenima made such great use of..

adam mentioned in the GW article an increased focus on "allowing things to breathe" so you should still expect lots of downtime and transition
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Just a quick reminder - you haven't heard one second.
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Just a quick reminder - you haven't heard one second.
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i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18

maybe im wrong though
Maybe they added a few parts to make it longer. That deodulous piece is still on the album according the the february newsletter.
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i thought the LK blair mentioned was around 14 mins in length and not 18

maybe im wrong though
Maybe they added a few parts to make it longer. That deodulous piece is still on the album according the the february newsletter.
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81st Chakra is nice.
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81st Chakra is nice.
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http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?i...ct=82876819912

Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01

Discuss.

If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
I'm vey surprised that "Lost Keys" is only 3:44, I mean I don't think that one is a segue right?? If not that's very short for a "TooL" Song.
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Re: Track Lengths Revealed!

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http://www.sonybmg.de/artists2.php?i...ct=82876819912

Tracklist - CD
01 Tool Vicarious 07:06
02 Tool Jambi 07:28
03 Tool Wings For Marie (Pt 1) 06:11
04 Tool 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) 11:14
05 Tool The Pot 06:22
06 Tool Lipan Conjuring 01:11
07 Tool Lost Keys (Blame Hofman) 03:44
08 Tool Rosetta Stoned 11:14
09 Tool Intension 07:21
10 Tool Right In Two 08:56
11 Tool Viginti Tres 05:01

Discuss.

If I did my math correct that means the album is 75 minutes and 48 seconds.
I'm vey surprised that "Lost Keys" is only 3:44, I mean I don't think that one is a segue right?? If not that's very short for a "TooL" Song.
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