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Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
And saving it for the end sucks.
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Right In Two = RATM Bulls on Parade
Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
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its not as big though, on the Rage song Morello just plays a riff based on an F# octave from what I can hear and he's tuned to E flat.
It sounds like Adam might be playing some type of riff based on an octave but the picking pattern is different, especially the second time that riff is played. It also sounds like in the RATM riff the bass line is the same as the guitar riff. Or at least they're both hitting the F# at the same time giving it a bigger sound.
I don't hear the bass line doing that in Right In Two.
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Re: Right In Two = RATM Bulls on Parade
its not as big though, on the Rage song Morello just plays a riff based on an F# octave from what I can hear and he's tuned to E flat.
It sounds like Adam might be playing some type of riff based on an octave but the picking pattern is different, especially the second time that riff is played. It also sounds like in the RATM riff the bass line is the same as the guitar riff. Or at least they're both hitting the F# at the same time giving it a bigger sound.
I don't hear the bass line doing that in Right In Two.
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its not as big though, on the Rage song Morello just plays a riff based on an F# octave from what I can hear and he's tuned to E flat.
It sounds like Adam might be playing some type of riff based on an octave but the picking pattern is different, especially the second time that riff is played. It also sounds like in the RATM riff the bass line is the same as the guitar riff. Or at least they're both hitting the F# at the same time giving it a bigger sound.
I don't hear the bass line doing that in Right In Two.
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Right, its bigger in RATM but the point is RATM uses it effectively throughout the song, whereas TooL has 5 minutes of the song without it...
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its not as big though, on the Rage song Morello just plays a riff based on an F# octave from what I can hear and he's tuned to E flat.
It sounds like Adam might be playing some type of riff based on an octave but the picking pattern is different, especially the second time that riff is played. It also sounds like in the RATM riff the bass line is the same as the guitar riff. Or at least they're both hitting the F# at the same time giving it a bigger sound.
I don't hear the bass line doing that in Right In Two.
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Correct, the picking pattern is different. The timing is different. I'd never associate those two riffs with one another, had you not mentioned it, although I -sort of- understand how you came to associate them. To my mind, it's a stretch, but I get your drift. The tone of each note played may be of some similarity, but that's not the same riff.
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Re: Right In Two = RATM Bulls on Parade
Correct, the picking pattern is different. The timing is different. I'd never associate those two riffs with one another, had you not mentioned it, although I -sort of- understand how you came to associate them. To my mind, it's a stretch, but I get your drift. The tone of each note played may be of some similarity, but that's not the same riff.
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The tone of each note played may be of some similarity, but that's not the same riff.
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I think we all know its the not the same.
But it is similar, mainly the heavy tone and the timing delays.....
RATM = 1 2....1 2 3....1 2 3....1 2
TooL = 1.....1 2 3 4..... 1 2 3 4.
So they are
a) Not identical
b) Similar
c) Similarly one of the best riffs on each respective cd they appear on
d) Only used frequently (and therefore effectively) in the RATM song.
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The tone of each note played may be of some similarity, but that's not the same riff.
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I think we all know its the not the same.
But it is similar, mainly the heavy tone and the timing delays.....
RATM = 1 2....1 2 3....1 2 3....1 2
TooL = 1.....1 2 3 4..... 1 2 3 4.
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05-07-2006, 11:35 AM
I dunno. This riff is just an embellished 2-note Meshuggah chug.
Nice drums, though.
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I dunno. This riff is just an embellished 2-note Meshuggah chug.
Nice drums, though.
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05-07-2006, 12:40 PM
We also know that Tool is not RATM. If you're looking for beginning-to-end metal/heavy riffs, why the hell are you looking for it in Tool? Since Aenima, Tool has been known for their layered songs, with radical changes in tempo, mood, and dynamic within many songs.
Submachine, you say that as if the only thing worth listening to is music with heavy, loud riffs...
And Chuck, yeah, it's very, very different. RATM did nearly everything in straight 4/4. RATM, as much as I love their material, was very simple music.
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We also know that Tool is not RATM. If you're looking for beginning-to-end metal/heavy riffs, why the hell are you looking for it in Tool? Since Aenima, Tool has been known for their layered songs, with radical changes in tempo, mood, and dynamic within many songs.
Submachine, you say that as if the only thing worth listening to is music with heavy, loud riffs...
And Chuck, yeah, it's very, very different. RATM did nearly everything in straight 4/4. RATM, as much as I love their material, was very simple music.
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Submachine, you say that as if the only thing worth listening to is music with heavy, loud riffs..
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No, I said it's the best part in the song and they didn't use it enough.
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Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
And saving it for the end sucks.
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Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
And saving it for the end sucks.
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Saving It 4 the End Iz Wat Makez the Song Great...
And It Remindz Me Much More of Forty Six & 2 Than Bullz on Parade...
Juzt the Way It Buildz, And Keepz Building Up Until the Explosion @ the End Iz Wat Makez Tool...
Listen 2 All Yr Tool Songz Again, And I'm Willin 2 Bet About Half of Em Save the Best and Hardest Riffz 4 the End...
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No, I said it's the best part in the song and they didn't use it enough.
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No, I said it's the best part in the song and they didn't use it enough.
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If u Uze It 2 Much, It Makez the Song Practically Worthless,
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i'm pretty sure you only made this connection because of the wahish sound adam has in this riff, and the fact that they are both based on an octave.
The ratm riff is just the octave with a wah pedal and a strumming pattern in 4/4, it never changes through the whole song, and it is one of three riffs (as i recall) that make up that song.
The tool riff is in a different time signature, that would probably be written as three bars of 3/4 and one bar of 2/4, or maybe two bars of 3/4 and one of 5/4. This whole song is based on that riff, if you listen, it is pretty much always present, just under various guises.
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i'm pretty sure you only made this connection because of the wahish sound adam has in this riff, and the fact that they are both based on an octave.
The ratm riff is just the octave with a wah pedal and a strumming pattern in 4/4, it never changes through the whole song, and it is one of three riffs (as i recall) that make up that song.
The tool riff is in a different time signature, that would probably be written as three bars of 3/4 and one bar of 2/4, or maybe two bars of 3/4 and one of 5/4. This whole song is based on that riff, if you listen, it is pretty much always present, just under various guises.
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This whole song is based on that riff, if you listen, it is pretty much always present, just under various guises.
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And those "guises" happen to detract from it, thats the problem with the song, the riffs get intense between 5 and 7 minutes
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This whole song is based on that riff, if you listen, it is pretty much always present, just under various guises.
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Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
And saving it for the end sucks.
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You would be right except the riffs are totally different and a lot of people enjoy a little bit of building and dynamics before the head splitting riffs sometimes. ;)
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Right In Two at 05:23 comes in with a really big riff, almost as big as Bulls on Parade.
The difference in the two songs is that RATM uses that riff throughout that kick-ass song, while TooL saves it for the end between 05:23 and 07:10.
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Right in Two is one of my favourite songs on the album. I thoroughly enjoy the dynamic shifts, the riffs, and the lyrics. If that heavy riff was continued throughout the song, well, it'd be an entirely different song, and obviously not what was intended. You want to write your own song with a heavy RATM-style riff, go ahead, but that's just not what this song is about.
My only beef with this song is that it's not a great album closer. Yeah, technically Viginti Tres is the closer, and its not terrible, but it needs to come after something with much more of a conclusion. I feel like I've been left hanging after Right In Two. Of course, this could have been the intended effect... but I don't know.
If it was the intended effect, then I'd start thinking about WHY it was the intended effect, rather than saying they shouldn't have done it.
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Right in Two is one of my favourite songs on the album. I thoroughly enjoy the dynamic shifts, the riffs, and the lyrics. If that heavy riff was continued throughout the song, well, it'd be an entirely different song, and obviously not what was intended. You want to write your own song with a heavy RATM-style riff, go ahead, but that's just not what this song is about.
My only beef with this song is that it's not a great album closer. Yeah, technically Viginti Tres is the closer, and its not terrible, but it needs to come after something with much more of a conclusion. I feel like I've been left hanging after Right In Two. Of course, this could have been the intended effect... but I don't know.
If it was the intended effect, then I'd start thinking about WHY it was the intended effect, rather than saying they shouldn't have done it.
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Right in Two has a FLAWLESS buildup leading into the Danny's tabla stuff, and the single note that Adam hits before the tabla stuff is like a really intense exhale.
Then it pulls back it's intensity to a whisper for Danny's part, only to surge back to a wall of sound with the riff in question.
If you listen closely, it takes that riff all the way through to the end of the song, through different variations on the idea. That riff itself is actually an extreme simplification of the main clean riff.
And if they had introduced the intense, hammering riff any earlier. It would have been spoiled.
I'm sorry, but saving it for the end most definitely does not suck. Only in an airwaves-hungry pop song should there be any need to push the best parts of a song anywhere remotely near the beginning, or even the first half of the song.
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Right in Two has a FLAWLESS buildup leading into the Danny's tabla stuff, and the single note that Adam hits before the tabla stuff is like a really intense exhale.
Then it pulls back it's intensity to a whisper for Danny's part, only to surge back to a wall of sound with the riff in question.
If you listen closely, it takes that riff all the way through to the end of the song, through different variations on the idea. That riff itself is actually an extreme simplification of the main clean riff.
And if they had introduced the intense, hammering riff any earlier. It would have been spoiled.
I'm sorry, but saving it for the end most definitely does not suck. Only in an airwaves-hungry pop song should there be any need to push the best parts of a song anywhere remotely near the beginning, or even the first half of the song.
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The song DOES NOT suffer for its sparing use of the riff. It's better for it, IMO. If they overused the riff it would lose its power. The fact that it leaves you wanting more is almost the perfect amount of riff-repetition. It makes you want to hear the song again, and the buildup gives the riff that much more power.
I can't believe what nitpickers you guys are.
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The song DOES NOT suffer for its sparing use of the riff. It's better for it, IMO. If they overused the riff it would lose its power. The fact that it leaves you wanting more is almost the perfect amount of riff-repetition. It makes you want to hear the song again, and the buildup gives the riff that much more power.
I can't believe what nitpickers you guys are.
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The fact that it leaves you wanting more is almost the perfect amount of riff-repetition..
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When musicians work together, their styles rub off on each other. Adam and Tom do have similar styles at the very core of them, and it's no wonder thy write similar riffs.
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When musicians work together, their styles rub off on each other. Adam and Tom do have similar styles at the very core of them, and it's no wonder thy write similar riffs.
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I like the build up, and this song has a perfect example of such. I try to do build ups like these in a lot of my songs because like that guy who has no "S" on his keyboard, harnessing energy, then releasing it, saving for a stronger climax creates a better song.
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I like the build up, and this song has a perfect example of such. I try to do build ups like these in a lot of my songs because like that guy who has no "S" on his keyboard, harnessing energy, then releasing it, saving for a stronger climax creates a better song.
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The song DOES NOT suffer for its sparing use of the riff. It's better for it, IMO. If they overused the riff it would lose its power. The fact that it leaves you wanting more is almost the perfect amount of riff-repetition. It makes you want to hear the song again, and the buildup gives the riff that much more power.
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The song DOES NOT suffer for its sparing use of the riff. It's better for it, IMO. If they overused the riff it would lose its power. The fact that it leaves you wanting more is almost the perfect amount of riff-repetition. It makes you want to hear the song again, and the buildup gives the riff that much more power.
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My only beef with this song is that it's not a great album closer. Yeah, technically Viginti Tres is the closer, and its not terrible, but it needs to come after something with much more of a conclusion. I feel like I've been left hanging after Right In Two. Of course, this could have been the intended effect... but I don't know.
If it was the intended effect, then I'd start thinking about WHY it was the intended effect, rather than saying they shouldn't have done it.
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maybe they intend for their next albumn to be part two of 10,000 days.
it makes sense, as if this is maynard's ways of letting go of his mum, there'd be a bigger picture.
i'm not saying theres a 2nd part coming soon as part of a double albumn, i'm saying in 4 years (or how long it takes) the new albumn might tie in with XMD.
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My only beef with this song is that it's not a great album closer. Yeah, technically Viginti Tres is the closer, and its not terrible, but it needs to come after something with much more of a conclusion. I feel like I've been left hanging after Right In Two. Of course, this could have been the intended effect... but I don't know.
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maybe they intend for their next albumn to be part two of 10,000 days.
it makes sense, as if this is maynard's ways of letting go of his mum, there'd be a bigger picture.
i'm not saying theres a 2nd part coming soon as part of a double albumn, i'm saying in 4 years (or how long it takes) the new albumn might tie in with XMD.
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after further listening, the "RATM" part of the song reminds me of a lot of Baroque (Bach, Mozart) classical music. They typically finish pieces using the I and V chords, using a pattern that is similar to this one.
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after further listening, the "RATM" part of the song reminds me of a lot of Baroque (Bach, Mozart) classical music. They typically finish pieces using the I and V chords, using a pattern that is similar to this one.
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after further listening, the "RATM" part of the song reminds me of a lot of Baroque (Bach, Mozart) classical music. They typically finish pieces using the I and V chords, using a pattern that is similar to this one.
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Yes, because we all know Mozart was from the baroque period...
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after further listening, the "RATM" part of the song reminds me of a lot of Baroque (Bach, Mozart) classical music. They typically finish pieces using the I and V chords, using a pattern that is similar to this one.
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Yes, because we all know Mozart was from the baroque period...
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Well, I did have to look it up, and hope that others do too.
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I'm not sure if someone has said this already, but its not the same riff. RATM plays the alternating octaves, while tool plays a D-High C alternating pattern. If you listen closely you can hear the difference (not to mention the rhythms aren't even close)...
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I'm not sure if someone has said this already, but its not the same riff. RATM plays the alternating octaves, while tool plays a D-High C alternating pattern. If you listen closely you can hear the difference (not to mention the rhythms aren't even close)...
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I cant really see a similarity either
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I cant really see a similarity either
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I love the build-up and out of control explosion
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I love the build-up and out of control explosion
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There is no similarity. They are both distinctly different. I'm not sure how you came to compare these two songs. They aren't even in the same genre.
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There is no similarity. They are both distinctly different. I'm not sure how you came to compare these two songs. They aren't even in the same genre.
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Submachine, why aren't you out there making better songs, since you have this special formula for using heavy riffs effectively throughout songs? If you want one riff repeated over and over and drove into the ground, just turn on your radio, there are a million songs like that.
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Submachine, why aren't you out there making better songs, since you have this special formula for using heavy riffs effectively throughout songs? If you want one riff repeated over and over and drove into the ground, just turn on your radio, there are a million songs like that.
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05-13-2006, 05:16 AM
people should stop encouraging this boy to make ridiculous, redundant threads. tell him where to stick it straight up. submachine, get off the internet, pick up a guitar, learn this riff you love so much, then record yourself playing it over and over for 10 minutes. you may never need to listen to another song again. as someone else mentioned, if you are looking for music comprised entirely of chunky, heavy, repetative riffs, why tool? There is no reason for tool to become more like any other band that i can think of, and if there is a reason, its not to appease ungrateful, close minded fans.
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people should stop encouraging this boy to make ridiculous, redundant threads. tell him where to stick it straight up. submachine, get off the internet, pick up a guitar, learn this riff you love so much, then record yourself playing it over and over for 10 minutes. you may never need to listen to another song again. as someone else mentioned, if you are looking for music comprised entirely of chunky, heavy, repetative riffs, why tool? There is no reason for tool to become more like any other band that i can think of, and if there is a reason, its not to appease ungrateful, close minded fans.
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GODSMACK PWNZ! With their big, chuncky riffs, They do the same riff for a whole song and never make you wait till the end. Sometimes it seems they do that same, big, chunky riff for the whole album. Sometimes it sounds like they do the same big chunky riff on their other albums too. It's almost like they are flaunting the fact that they have mastered that big, chunky riff thing and rubbing it in the face of bands like tool, that can only manage 2 or 3 measures at the end of a song because they dont have the guts to do it all the time on every album. Yeah. That's why GODSMACK PWNZ....
There...I said it....I feel dirty now.
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GODSMACK PWNZ! With their big, chuncky riffs, They do the same riff for a whole song and never make you wait till the end. Sometimes it seems they do that same, big, chunky riff for the whole album. Sometimes it sounds like they do the same big chunky riff on their other albums too. It's almost like they are flaunting the fact that they have mastered that big, chunky riff thing and rubbing it in the face of bands like tool, that can only manage 2 or 3 measures at the end of a song because they dont have the guts to do it all the time on every album. Yeah. That's why GODSMACK PWNZ....
There...I said it....I feel dirty now.
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godsmack? they do the same riff for a whole fuckin album, actually for 4 whole albums. godsmack is good for 14 year old nu metal kids but overall they suck. shitty lyrics, shitty guitar, shitty bass, their new drummer is awesome though.
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godsmack? they do the same riff for a whole fuckin album, actually for 4 whole albums. godsmack is good for 14 year old nu metal kids but overall they suck. shitty lyrics, shitty guitar, shitty bass, their new drummer is awesome though.
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You didnt actually read my post did you....?
Maybe I should have put a little emoticon thing in that post so folks could have read right through all my sarcasm and used the ASCII ":)" to note my disdain for Godsmack....
I'll remember this going forward.
I have added an appropriate signature for future reference.
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You didnt actually read my post did you....?
Maybe I should have put a little emoticon thing in that post so folks could have read right through all my sarcasm and used the ASCII ":)" to note my disdain for Godsmack....
I'll remember this going forward.
I have added an appropriate signature for future reference.
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godsmack? they do the same riff for a whole fuckin album, actually for 4 whole albums. godsmack is good for 14 year old nu metal kids but overall they suck. shitty lyrics, shitty guitar, shitty bass, their new drummer is awesome though.
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Godsmack was produced by the guy who did these two other albums you may have heard of, Aenima and Lateralus.
Right In Two at 05:23 MAY be the best moment on the entire CD.
It would have been nice to hear a variation of it, or at least a precursor of something heavy, in the preceding 5 minutes.
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godsmack? they do the same riff for a whole fuckin album, actually for 4 whole albums. godsmack is good for 14 year old nu metal kids but overall they suck. shitty lyrics, shitty guitar, shitty bass, their new drummer is awesome though.
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By the way, the riff in question isn't octaves, the rage song is.
The rage song places an f# on the d string and then f# on the e string.
This song plays the lowest string tuned to a d and then a c.
The notes aren't even the same, much less the rhythm.
Also just because the dude who produced Aenima and LAteralus works on something else doesn't mean it would be any good. Good music or crap music, they gotta put food on the table.
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By the way, the riff in question isn't octaves, the rage song is.
The rage song places an f# on the d string and then f# on the e string.
This song plays the lowest string tuned to a d and then a c.
The notes aren't even the same, much less the rhythm.
Also just because the dude who produced Aenima and LAteralus works on something else doesn't mean it would be any good. Good music or crap music, they gotta put food on the table.
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I don't understand your logic here...He produced the album. He did't write the "songs" or perform them...
...He simply polished a turd.
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I don't understand your logic here...He produced the album. He did't write the "songs" or perform them...
...He simply polished a turd.
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To repeat a riff interminably throughout an entire song RUINS the riff just as surely as radio DJ's playing the same song interminably ruins that song. This riff is a CLIMAX, and climax is defined as a high POINT. When a climax becomes a miles-long plateau, it loses it's compelling nature. This is a point that Tool understands very well. For example, in Prison Sex, the riff that accompanies "I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this . . ." is one that leaves me wanting for more- but that is exactly what an effective climax does. Similarly, Eulogy has a riff that accompanies "Come down! Get off your fuckin' cross . . ." that I would have loved to hear expanded upon, but once again, Tool shows restraint. I often wonder if my opinions of these songs would not be as high if they had dragged these riffs along for another minute each. Personally, O believe that their respective fleeting grandeurs would not hold such an allure if they were not so fleeting. In each case (Prison Sex, Eulogy and Right In Two), Tool does a masterful job of building a dynamic: set up the highs with lows, living in the moment of each riff without looking ahead or reenacting past intensities. That principle, in my mind, is one of the most integral foundations of Tool's music, and without it, they woud cease to be the phenomenon that they are.
Furthermore, this comparison lacks rhythmic grounding. Bulls On Parade is a simple, steady, 4/4 beat (not detracting at all from the genius of that song, although it's true genius is lyrical). This song exists in a time signature that starts with 11 (whether it is an 11/4 or an 11/8 is debateable but not really worth debate). Count along with your riff, and you will find that in this song, it exists in a grouping of 3+3+3+2(=11), and so that immediate and stark dissimilarity seems to defeat your argument. Stop wasting our time telling us what Tool should've done- as if you are in any position to criticize the musicians that have been on the forefront of progreesive sound since before you had heard of them- and go fire up some Limp Bizkit.
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To repeat a riff interminably throughout an entire song RUINS the riff just as surely as radio DJ's playing the same song interminably ruins that song. This riff is a CLIMAX, and climax is defined as a high POINT. When a climax becomes a miles-long plateau, it loses it's compelling nature. This is a point that Tool understands very well. For example, in Prison Sex, the riff that accompanies "I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this . . ." is one that leaves me wanting for more- but that is exactly what an effective climax does. Similarly, Eulogy has a riff that accompanies "Come down! Get off your fuckin' cross . . ." that I would have loved to hear expanded upon, but once again, Tool shows restraint. I often wonder if my opinions of these songs would not be as high if they had dragged these riffs along for another minute each. Personally, O believe that their respective fleeting grandeurs would not hold such an allure if they were not so fleeting. In each case (Prison Sex, Eulogy and Right In Two), Tool does a masterful job of building a dynamic: set up the highs with lows, living in the moment of each riff without looking ahead or reenacting past intensities. That principle, in my mind, is one of the most integral foundations of Tool's music, and without it, they woud cease to be the phenomenon that they are.
Furthermore, this comparison lacks rhythmic grounding. Bulls On Parade is a simple, steady, 4/4 beat (not detracting at all from the genius of that song, although it's true genius is lyrical). This song exists in a time signature that starts with 11 (whether it is an 11/4 or an 11/8 is debateable but not really worth debate). Count along with your riff, and you will find that in this song, it exists in a grouping of 3+3+3+2(=11), and so that immediate and stark dissimilarity seems to defeat your argument. Stop wasting our time telling us what Tool should've done- as if you are in any position to criticize the musicians that have been on the forefront of progreesive sound since before you had heard of them- and go fire up some Limp Bizkit.
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