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05-11-2006, 11:44 AM
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Rhyme is no reason...
Not unless it dawns on you that the rest of the song rhymes...
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:44 AM   #241
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Not unless it dawns on you that the rest of the song rhymes...
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I don't understand how you can hear "poison". I'm 99.9% sure it's "preaching".

You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.
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I don't understand how you can hear "poison". I'm 99.9% sure it's "preaching".

You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.
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You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.
Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.
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You've never seen a child poisoned by their parents' views, or someone's thoughts poisoned by another's opinion? Poison has more than one definition.
Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.
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Um no, I listened first and I thought it was "found", which rhymes with "down." Considering he's rhyming throughout most of this song I think that's a perfectly valid interpretation.
Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.
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Um no, I listened first and I thought it was "found", which rhymes with "down." Considering he's rhyming throughout most of this song I think that's a perfectly valid interpretation.
Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.
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Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.
Maybe.
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Yeah, I am unsure on that line...The fact it rhymes better is a valid point, but they are both still close. One thing is for sure though.

"The Devil in here's had me down"

Without a doubt.
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Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.
I totally see your point on "poison" not fitting the leech metaphor, but I just can't hear the "ch" sound in "preaching."
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Of course, but to use a leech in the same metaphor would be a bit odd.

It'd be like saying "Stop swimming vulture".

I can see "poison" associated a little easier with "legions" but I do not believe that either of these words are correct.

I support leeches and their preaching.
I totally see your point on "poison" not fitting the leech metaphor, but I just can't hear the "ch" sound in "preaching."
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Try listening to the "divide" portion like this...

Divide and I'll wither it away,
Divide and I'll wither all away...

That seems to be what I am hearing...
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Try listening to the "divide" portion like this...

Divide and I'll wither it away,
Divide and I'll wither all away...

That seems to be what I am hearing...
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I still believe it's:

Silence LEECH and save your preachin'
Silence LEECH and stay out of my way.
i think its LEGIONS, and POISONS, and SILENT.
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I still believe it's:

Silence LEECH and save your preachin'
Silence LEECH and stay out of my way.
i think its LEGIONS, and POISONS, and SILENT.
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just an idea, might've been mentioned before:

silently just save your poison
silently just stay out of my way..

or some hybrid of that with what others have suggested.. maybe:

silent(ce?) legion, save your poison silently
just stay out of my way
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just an idea, might've been mentioned before:

silently just save your poison
silently just stay out of my way..

or some hybrid of that with what others have suggested.. maybe:

silent(ce?) legion, save your poison silently
just stay out of my way
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he says silent legion ,save your poison......you can hear it clear as day on the live version
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he says silent legion ,save your poison......you can hear it clear as day on the live version
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it's DAMN MY EYES every time!!

it doesnt matter tho, people will hear what they want anyways. its not my job to correct, let em hear it wrong.
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it's DAMN MY EYES every time!!

it doesnt matter tho, people will hear what they want anyways. its not my job to correct, let em hear it wrong.
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he says silent legion ,save your poison......you can hear it clear as day on the live version
agreed, close enough any ways, its deffinatley not leeches. i think maybe put an s at the end of both words tho.
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he says silent legion ,save your poison......you can hear it clear as day on the live version
agreed, close enough any ways, its deffinatley not leeches. i think maybe put an s at the end of both words tho.
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where it sounds like he's saying 'my eyes'

maybe he's saying 'my i's'

in other parts it sounds like he's saying

'kneeling away my center'

'silence leeches/legions, save your praise and
silence legions/leeches, and stay out of my way'

by sun or son he could be referring to the qabalistic sun of tiphareth, which is at ones center, which could be referring to the spiritual son of his own process of evolution.
his center, his sun is his son.

and also that his actual son is like his sun.

??????

maybe

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where it sounds like he's saying 'my eyes'

maybe he's saying 'my i's'

in other parts it sounds like he's saying

'kneeling away my center'

'silence leeches/legions, save your praise and
silence legions/leeches, and stay out of my way'

by sun or son he could be referring to the qabalistic sun of tiphareth, which is at ones center, which could be referring to the spiritual son of his own process of evolution.
his center, his sun is his son.

and also that his actual son is like his sun.

??????

maybe

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. . .here's what i may have noticed thus far

Jambi - Tool

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a [martyr/father] [dusk/does] til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
[No cross you/that could/No price that could] hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Jam/Damn/Dim] my [eyes/I's]
Dim my [eyes/I's]

Dim my [eyes/I's] if they should
Compromise [our fulcrum/ a full-grown]
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine [until/on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

(actual son? spiritual/magickal child? sun-center of tiphareth?)

[Breathe/Pray/Breed] in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
[So/Sow] as one survive
Another day and season

Silence [leech, and/legions] save your [poison/praise/prayers, and].
Silence leech, and stay out of my way.

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. . .here's what i may have noticed thus far

Jambi - Tool

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found.
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a [martyr/father] [dusk/does] til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
And I would
If I could
And I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
[No cross you/that could/No price that could] hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Jam/Damn/Dim] my [eyes/I's]
Dim my [eyes/I's]

Dim my [eyes/I's] if they should
Compromise [our fulcrum/ a full-grown]
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine [until/on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

(actual son? spiritual/magickal child? sun-center of tiphareth?)

[Breathe/Pray/Breed] in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
[So/Sow] as one survive
Another day and season

Silence [leech, and/legions] save your [poison/praise/prayers, and].
Silence leech, and stay out of my way.

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OK I used audacity (freeware program download it) and slowed this song down to 50% so that I could hear the articulation of the lyrics better and I found a few things that we have had wrong with the lyrics! I also found Maynard had his voice at normal speed when the song was at half speed in one part. Download audacity and look for yourself. Changes in bold.

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

Would I?
I would wish me all away (may be wish it but sounds more like me at half speed)
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found ("found" sounds like "sold" at 50% speed?)
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
But I would
If I could
Then I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross that could hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away (It is even harder to figure out at half speed)
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
One more tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my Saturn (I am sure it is not center)
Just trying to hold on (no I'm)
One more day

Damn my eyes

Jimbi's (you can hear Maynard sing the word eye/I at normal speed overtop of the half speed version, neat)

Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise our fulcrum (I am sure it is fulcrum)
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

Breathe in human (it is human not union! well one of them may be union but he does say human a few times)
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
And so as one survived
Another day and season

Silence leeches save your poison.
Silence leeches and stay out of my way.

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OK I used audacity (freeware program download it) and slowed this song down to 50% so that I could hear the articulation of the lyrics better and I found a few things that we have had wrong with the lyrics! I also found Maynard had his voice at normal speed when the song was at half speed in one part. Download audacity and look for yourself. Changes in bold.

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

Would I?
I would wish me all away (may be wish it but sounds more like me at half speed)
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found ("found" sounds like "sold" at 50% speed?)
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
But I would
If I could
Then I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross that could hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away (It is even harder to figure out at half speed)
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
One more tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my Saturn (I am sure it is not center)
Just trying to hold on (no I'm)
One more day

Damn my eyes

Jimbi's (you can hear Maynard sing the word eye/I at normal speed overtop of the half speed version, neat)

Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise our fulcrum (I am sure it is fulcrum)
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

Breathe in human (it is human not union! well one of them may be union but he does say human a few times)
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
And so as one survived
Another day and season

Silence leeches save your poison.
Silence leeches and stay out of my way.

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I believe he says Jambi eyes twice and the third time its definately damn my eyes.
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I believe he says Jambi eyes twice and the third time its definately damn my eyes.
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The first one has a clear D sound, the second one a clear J sound, and the third one has a clear D sound

Listen at half speed it is crystal clear.
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The first one has a clear D sound, the second one a clear J sound, and the third one has a clear D sound

Listen at half speed it is crystal clear.
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OK I used audacity (freeware program download it) and slowed this song down to 50% so that I could hear the articulation of the lyrics better and I found a few things that we have had wrong with the lyrics! I also found Maynard had his voice at normal speed when the song was at half speed in one part. Download audacity and look for yourself. Changes in bold.

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

Would I?
I would wish me all away (may be wish it but sounds more like me at half speed)
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found ("found" sounds like "sold" at 50% speed?)
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
But I would
If I could
Then I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross that could hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away (It is even harder to figure out at half speed)
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
One more tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my Saturn (I am sure it is not center)
Just trying to hold on (no I'm)
One more day

Damn my eyes

Jimbi's (you can hear Maynard sing the word eye/I at normal speed overtop of the half speed version, neat)

Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise our fulcrum (I am sure it is fulcrum)
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

Breathe in human (it is human not union! well one of them may be union but he does say human a few times)
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
And so as one survived
Another day and season

Silence leeches save your poison.
Silence leeches and stay out of my way.
I don't think your 50% method treated you very well... It's definitely "union" at the end... Union has that second 'u' sound "younyun" versus humAn sound "huemon"...
I'm also pretty sure it's dim and center, not damn and saturn. And I don't think he says jambi, but I could be wrong. I hear three distinct D sounds.
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OK I used audacity (freeware program download it) and slowed this song down to 50% so that I could hear the articulation of the lyrics better and I found a few things that we have had wrong with the lyrics! I also found Maynard had his voice at normal speed when the song was at half speed in one part. Download audacity and look for yourself. Changes in bold.

Hear from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan I do
On treasures and flesh, never few.

Would I?
I would wish me all away (may be wish it but sounds more like me at half speed)
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found ("found" sounds like "sold" at 50% speed?)
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
But I would
If I could
Then I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross that could hold
Sway or justify my [giving/kneeling] away (It is even harder to figure out at half speed)
my Center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
One more tomorrow would take you away
You're my peace of mind, my home, my Saturn (I am sure it is not center)
Just trying to hold on (no I'm)
One more day

Damn my eyes

Jimbi's (you can hear Maynard sing the word eye/I at normal speed overtop of the half speed version, neat)

Dim my eyes if they should
Compromise our fulcrum (I am sure it is fulcrum)
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent Son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent [Son/Sun]

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine on upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent [Son/Sun]

Breathe in human (it is human not union! well one of them may be union but he does say human a few times)
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
Breathe in human
And so as one survived
Another day and season

Silence leeches save your poison.
Silence leeches and stay out of my way.
I don't think your 50% method treated you very well... It's definitely "union" at the end... Union has that second 'u' sound "younyun" versus humAn sound "huemon"...
I'm also pretty sure it's dim and center, not damn and saturn. And I don't think he says jambi, but I could be wrong. I hear three distinct D sounds.
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agreed, close enough any ways, its deffinatley not leeches. i think maybe put an s at the end of both words tho.
That makes sense because the devil is the legion, so he's telling the devil not to kill.

Anyways, does anyone else hear this? It makes perfect sense and I can't see how it would sound any other way... but I looked on the lyrics page and I saw otherwise.

You're my piece of mind;
My home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Edited for more clarification on the line]
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agreed, close enough any ways, its deffinatley not leeches. i think maybe put an s at the end of both words tho.
That makes sense because the devil is the legion, so he's telling the devil not to kill.

Anyways, does anyone else hear this? It makes perfect sense and I can't see how it would sound any other way... but I looked on the lyrics page and I saw otherwise.

You're my piece of mind;
My home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Edited for more clarification on the line]
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I'm hearing "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes, Damn my eyes"

and also

"Silence Legion save your praise and..."
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I'm hearing "Damn my eyes, Jambi eyes, Damn my eyes"

and also

"Silence Legion save your praise and..."
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I don't think your 50% method treated you very well... It's definitely "union" at the end... Union has that second 'u' sound "younyun" versus humAn sound "huemon"...
I'm also pretty sure it's dim and center, not damn and saturn. And I don't think he says jambi, but I could be wrong. I hear three distinct D sounds.

If you can not hear the J sound for the second one then sorry but I can not trust your opinion on the stuff that is actually hard to distinguish. :P
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I don't think your 50% method treated you very well... It's definitely "union" at the end... Union has that second 'u' sound "younyun" versus humAn sound "huemon"...
I'm also pretty sure it's dim and center, not damn and saturn. And I don't think he says jambi, but I could be wrong. I hear three distinct D sounds.

If you can not hear the J sound for the second one then sorry but I can not trust your opinion on the stuff that is actually hard to distinguish. :P
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I faintly hear the 'j', but it's not prominent. The 'd' (which is a much harsher letter, and thus more distinguishable) stands out a lot more. Perhaps on one of the harmonies he's singing there, he says 'jambi' on top. However, that's not him singing normal speed, then sped up. That's a harmony that he's singing in a higher note. And I'm still not sure he's saying 'jambi'. I do feel positive it's "Dim my eyes" x3 tho...
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I faintly hear the 'j', but it's not prominent. The 'd' (which is a much harsher letter, and thus more distinguishable) stands out a lot more. Perhaps on one of the harmonies he's singing there, he says 'jambi' on top. However, that's not him singing normal speed, then sped up. That's a harmony that he's singing in a higher note. And I'm still not sure he's saying 'jambi'. I do feel positive it's "Dim my eyes" x3 tho...
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Jesus H CHrist. I've been gone for like 10 days, and i come back here to find the same pointless discussions going on. And to be honest its ruining the whole song and album for me.

so instead of joinging in as i am so tempted to do i'm gonna go off and enjoy listening to a bit of tool, and feel the music rather than think about every little sylable.

p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.
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Jesus H CHrist. I've been gone for like 10 days, and i come back here to find the same pointless discussions going on. And to be honest its ruining the whole song and album for me.

so instead of joinging in as i am so tempted to do i'm gonna go off and enjoy listening to a bit of tool, and feel the music rather than think about every little sylable.

p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.
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That makes sense because the devil is the legion, so he's telling the devil not to kill.

Anyways, does anyone else hear this? It makes perfect sense and I can't see how it would sound any other way... but I looked on the lyrics page and I saw otherwise.

You're my piece of mind;
My home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Edited for more clarification on the line]
i do think that it might say MY HOME. and ya theres a demon thats called legion cause theres like 7 in one. thats why legions makes more since then leeches, also its legionS and poisonS from what i hear.

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That makes sense because the devil is the legion, so he's telling the devil not to kill.

Anyways, does anyone else hear this? It makes perfect sense and I can't see how it would sound any other way... but I looked on the lyrics page and I saw otherwise.

You're my piece of mind;
My home
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Edited for more clarification on the line]
i do think that it might say MY HOME. and ya theres a demon thats called legion cause theres like 7 in one. thats why legions makes more since then leeches, also its legionS and poisonS from what i hear.

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For the record:
I "KNOW" that he says...
Dot my I's
Dot my I's
Dot my I's - if they should
come to find - that I'm dumb
one two three, asinine me
then write might as well be wrong
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For the record:
I "KNOW" that he says...
Dot my I's
Dot my I's
Dot my I's - if they should
come to find - that I'm dumb
one two three, asinine me
then write might as well be wrong
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For the record:
I "KNOW" that he says...
Dot my I's
Dot my I's
Dot my I's - if they should
come to find - that I'm dumb
one two three, asinine me
then write might as well be wrong
HEY.. i think your RIGHT!! you RIGHT!! you like to be RIGHT RIGHT?? you could be wrong but you'de probably be HAPPIER if you were RIGHT so lets just say YOUR RIGHT!!! the rest of these ASSININE FOOLS are sooooo WRONG! but not you, YOUR RIGHT!
RIGHT ON! ;)

just fuckin with ya:)

ya dude it's ok to post idea's cause it's all anyone can post. nobody knows anything. i dont know why ppl get so pissed off and pushy either, i've decided if they do then they want somone to treat them that way to,fuckin masochistes. so just push back if thier forcefull with their ideas, force yours on them.

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For the record:
I "KNOW" that he says...
Dot my I's
Dot my I's
Dot my I's - if they should
come to find - that I'm dumb
one two three, asinine me
then write might as well be wrong
HEY.. i think your RIGHT!! you RIGHT!! you like to be RIGHT RIGHT?? you could be wrong but you'de probably be HAPPIER if you were RIGHT so lets just say YOUR RIGHT!!! the rest of these ASSININE FOOLS are sooooo WRONG! but not you, YOUR RIGHT!
RIGHT ON! ;)

just fuckin with ya:)

ya dude it's ok to post idea's cause it's all anyone can post. nobody knows anything. i dont know why ppl get so pissed off and pushy either, i've decided if they do then they want somone to treat them that way to,fuckin masochistes. so just push back if thier forcefull with their ideas, force yours on them.

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excellant rhyming you did there by the way
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excellant rhyming you did there by the way
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Sorry, but I have the live version from the Seattle show and it's completely clear he's singing "Dim my eyes" x3. I never here a Da for Damn or Ja sound for Jambi...it just isn't there. I think everyone is trying too hard to come up with a connection and make sense out of the title of the song. If there is a connection, I'm very sure it isn't in that part of the song.

Fully agree. I don't have the live version, but one has to also account for the approximation of vowels sung at high pitches - which is a fancy term for the fact that the higher you sing the more all the vowels gravitate towards the "e" vowel (as in "best").
Also, "d" and "t" consonants are splatted and approximate towards "j" and "ch" respectively.
"Dim my eyes" 3x - makes sense plus the physics of singing support this.
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Sorry, but I have the live version from the Seattle show and it's completely clear he's singing "Dim my eyes" x3. I never here a Da for Damn or Ja sound for Jambi...it just isn't there. I think everyone is trying too hard to come up with a connection and make sense out of the title of the song. If there is a connection, I'm very sure it isn't in that part of the song.

Fully agree. I don't have the live version, but one has to also account for the approximation of vowels sung at high pitches - which is a fancy term for the fact that the higher you sing the more all the vowels gravitate towards the "e" vowel (as in "best").
Also, "d" and "t" consonants are splatted and approximate towards "j" and "ch" respectively.
"Dim my eyes" 3x - makes sense plus the physics of singing support this.
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Fully agree. I don't have the live version, but one has to also account for the approximation of vowels sung at high pitches - which is a fancy term for the fact that the higher you sing the more all the vowels gravitate towards the "e" vowel (as in "best").
Also, "d" and "t" consonants are splatted and approximate towards "j" and "ch" respectively.
"Dim my eyes" 3x - makes sense plus the physics of singing support this.
if you know how to sing, witch maynard does you dont have to change the way a word should sound due to a higher or lower pitch. you make sure the word sounds as it should and if you cant usually you wouldnt attempt to sing it in that pitch. if the word sounds wrong with the pitch but you know you can sing that high you would indeed use a differant sound, but you would use a sound that made it sound correct.
i dont think your theory would have held up in my chior class.
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Fully agree. I don't have the live version, but one has to also account for the approximation of vowels sung at high pitches - which is a fancy term for the fact that the higher you sing the more all the vowels gravitate towards the "e" vowel (as in "best").
Also, "d" and "t" consonants are splatted and approximate towards "j" and "ch" respectively.
"Dim my eyes" 3x - makes sense plus the physics of singing support this.
if you know how to sing, witch maynard does you dont have to change the way a word should sound due to a higher or lower pitch. you make sure the word sounds as it should and if you cant usually you wouldnt attempt to sing it in that pitch. if the word sounds wrong with the pitch but you know you can sing that high you would indeed use a differant sound, but you would use a sound that made it sound correct.
i dont think your theory would have held up in my chior class.
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p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.
Why exactly would I bother? You have so many that it's a fruitless exercise looking for which one is unintentional.
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p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.
Why exactly would I bother? You have so many that it's a fruitless exercise looking for which one is unintentional.
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please continue to discuss lyrics in this thread, so any good suggestions can be posted to tdn/Lyrics.
This is my most played song on the album, imo my edits are 100%.
The only part i'm not positive is the "dim my eyes" part, but 96% sure.

02 jambi •
[Here from] the king's mountain view
[Here from] the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had [misses out]
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a [martyr] [ dusk] to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No [pressure could ] hold sway
[Or justify my]
[Kneeling] away, [my sinner]

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
[my all]
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Dim my eyes]
[Jam-bi-eye]
[Damn my eyes]
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
[Want and need]
[If I leave it]
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

[Divide and wither away] X2

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
[Silently, just] save your poison
[Silently, just] stay out of my way
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please continue to discuss lyrics in this thread, so any good suggestions can be posted to tdn/Lyrics.
This is my most played song on the album, imo my edits are 100%.
The only part i'm not positive is the "dim my eyes" part, but 96% sure.

02 jambi •
[Here from] the king's mountain view
[Here from] the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had [misses out]
In love with the dark side I've found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I would wish this all away

Pray like a [martyr] [ dusk] to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No [pressure could ] hold sway
[Or justify my]
[Kneeling] away, [my sinner]

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind,
[my all]
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

[Dim my eyes]
[Jam-bi-eye]
[Damn my eyes]
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
[Want and need]
[If I leave it]
Then I might as well be gone...

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine [on 'til] the two become one

[Divide and wither away] X2

Shine down upon the many, light our way,
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union

So, as one, survive
Another day and season
[Silently, just] save your poison
[Silently, just] stay out of my way
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Ok, I've been using Soundforge to isolate and process the parts that I was not 100% sure about and this is the ending result. I also chose certain options of certain phrases presented in previous versions because of the implication to the over all meaning of the statments.

Jambi

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I
I would, I would, I would
wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr - dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker - all night long
Enchanted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away

No prize here
Could hold, sawy
Or justify
my milling away my sinner soul

If I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow could take you away

You're my piece of mind,
My all, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Jambi eyes

Dim my eyes
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
want and need
divide me

Then I might as well be gone...

Talk Box Guitar:
[Well where are you
and when will you ever
Show us how
How to know where to go
What if we never know
Enough to figure out just how
It figures out]

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divine hand'll wither it away
Divided and witherin away

Shine down upon the many,
light our way
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

Sew as one,
Survive another day
and season
Silent legion save your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way



*this is very subjective because unless the person actually tells you what they are saying into a talk box you could hear anything you want; sort of like listeing to a record backwards. This is what I feel is being said, I know it is in direct contrast to the rest of the lyrics, but then again, it was hidden and it fits because its the polar opposite of the rest.

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Ok, I've been using Soundforge to isolate and process the parts that I was not 100% sure about and this is the ending result. I also chose certain options of certain phrases presented in previous versions because of the implication to the over all meaning of the statments.

Jambi

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I would wish it all, away
If I thought I'd lose you just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown.

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up, turned me round

So I, I, I, I
I would, I would, I would
wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr - dusk to dawn
Begged like a hooker - all night long
Enchanted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away

No prize here
Could hold, sawy
Or justify
my milling away my sinner soul

If I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow could take you away

You're my piece of mind,
My all, my center
I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Jambi eyes

Dim my eyes
If they should compromise
A fulcrum
want and need
divide me

Then I might as well be gone...

Talk Box Guitar:
[Well where are you
and when will you ever
Show us how
How to know where to go
What if we never know
Enough to figure out just how
It figures out]

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken
Shine on 'til the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divine hand'll wither it away
Divided and witherin away

Shine down upon the many,
light our way
Benevolent sun.

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union

Sew as one,
Survive another day
and season
Silent legion save your poison
Silently, just stay out of my way



*this is very subjective because unless the person actually tells you what they are saying into a talk box you could hear anything you want; sort of like listeing to a record backwards. This is what I feel is being said, I know it is in direct contrast to the rest of the lyrics, but then again, it was hidden and it fits because its the polar opposite of the rest.

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No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away
You're my peace of mind, my all, my center
I'm just trying to hold on one more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes if they should
Compromise a full grown
Want and need, if I need
Then I might as well be gone

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Sorry. I edited this after I'd been quoted. I'm just now diving into these lyric threads, and I posted before I'd thoroughly read enough posts. Damn some of these are hard.

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No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow, they'd take you away
You're my peace of mind, my all, my center
I'm just trying to hold on one more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes if they should
Compromise a full grown
Want and need, if I need
Then I might as well be gone

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Sorry. I edited this after I'd been quoted. I'm just now diving into these lyric threads, and I posted before I'd thoroughly read enough posts. Damn some of these are hard.

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I think it's:

No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away my center

But I wouldn't have that if it weren't for you. I always thought 'pressure' sounded wrong, but I couldn't figure out what else it could be.

Also:
Compromise a fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone
No I agree and amend my interpretation if the part about the prize.

No prize here
Could hold, sway
Or Justify
My milling away my sinner soul

Because the next line sould have to start with

'So if I...' and that does sound right, but it is the meaning is clearer when its turned into 'sinner soul'

I agree with you on 'Fulcrum' it's like he's saying that his eyes should be dimmed if they should do anything to jepoardize something VERY pivital and important that he not only wants but needs.
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I think it's:

No prize here could hold sway
Or justify my
Giving away my center

But I wouldn't have that if it weren't for you. I always thought 'pressure' sounded wrong, but I couldn't figure out what else it could be.

Also:
Compromise a fulcrum
Want and need divide me
Then I might as well be gone
No I agree and amend my interpretation if the part about the prize.

No prize here
Could hold, sway
Or Justify
My milling away my sinner soul

Because the next line sould have to start with

'So if I...' and that does sound right, but it is the meaning is clearer when its turned into 'sinner soul'

I agree with you on 'Fulcrum' it's like he's saying that his eyes should be dimmed if they should do anything to jepoardize something VERY pivital and important that he not only wants but needs.
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seems like everyone prefers to believe on the unfounded conclusion that maynard's saying ' damn my eyes' or 'jam my eyes' or whatever, rather than *possibly* meaning it as *either* eyes or I's

in my opinion, to damn ones eyes, even as a figure of speech is rather extreme.
however, damning ones I's makes sense in a Gurdjieffian context. i would be inclined to expect (tentatively however) that maynard would be hinting at a gurdjieffian angle with the 'damn my I's' bit. . . .

it would be cool if maynard could see these opinions for himself.

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seems like everyone prefers to believe on the unfounded conclusion that maynard's saying ' damn my eyes' or 'jam my eyes' or whatever, rather than *possibly* meaning it as *either* eyes or I's

in my opinion, to damn ones eyes, even as a figure of speech is rather extreme.
however, damning ones I's makes sense in a Gurdjieffian context. i would be inclined to expect (tentatively however) that maynard would be hinting at a gurdjieffian angle with the 'damn my I's' bit. . . .

it would be cool if maynard could see these opinions for himself.

signed,
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seems like everyone prefers to believe on the unfounded conclusion that maynard's saying ' damn my eyes' or 'jam my eyes' or whatever, rather than *possibly* meaning it as *either* eyes or I's

in my opinion, to damn ones eyes, even as a figure of speech is rather extreme.
however, damning ones I's makes sense in a Gurdjieffian context. i would be inclined to expect (tentatively however) that maynard would be hinting at a gurdjieffian angle with the 'damn my I's' bit. . . .

it would be cool if maynard could see these opinions for himself.

signed,
maybe

I don't know. For some reason, whenever I hear this part it just reminds me of Matthew 18:9

''If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.''
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seems like everyone prefers to believe on the unfounded conclusion that maynard's saying ' damn my eyes' or 'jam my eyes' or whatever, rather than *possibly* meaning it as *either* eyes or I's

in my opinion, to damn ones eyes, even as a figure of speech is rather extreme.
however, damning ones I's makes sense in a Gurdjieffian context. i would be inclined to expect (tentatively however) that maynard would be hinting at a gurdjieffian angle with the 'damn my I's' bit. . . .

it would be cool if maynard could see these opinions for himself.

signed,
maybe

I don't know. For some reason, whenever I hear this part it just reminds me of Matthew 18:9

''If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire.''
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if you know how to sing, witch maynard does you dont have to change the way a word should sound due to a higher or lower pitch. you make sure the word sounds as it should and if you cant usually you wouldnt attempt to sing it in that pitch. if the word sounds wrong with the pitch but you know you can sing that high you would indeed use a differant sound, but you would use a sound that made it sound correct.
i dont think your theory would have held up in my chior class.
Re: Warartist,

pointless discussion, off subject, you missed my point. Alteration of vowels and consonants in singing vs. speach is a fact, discussing it would take up an entire thread, if not more.

My point was - it's "dimm my eyes" 3x

Makes sense, goes with the rest of the lyrics and the physics of singing supports it.
All IMHO, just a voice among the many here.
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if you know how to sing, witch maynard does you dont have to change the way a word should sound due to a higher or lower pitch. you make sure the word sounds as it should and if you cant usually you wouldnt attempt to sing it in that pitch. if the word sounds wrong with the pitch but you know you can sing that high you would indeed use a differant sound, but you would use a sound that made it sound correct.
i dont think your theory would have held up in my chior class.
Re: Warartist,

pointless discussion, off subject, you missed my point. Alteration of vowels and consonants in singing vs. speach is a fact, discussing it would take up an entire thread, if not more.

My point was - it's "dimm my eyes" 3x

Makes sense, goes with the rest of the lyrics and the physics of singing supports it.
All IMHO, just a voice among the many here.
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Jesus H CHrist. I've been gone for like 10 days, and i come back here to find the same pointless discussions going on. And to be honest its ruining the whole song and album for me.

so instead of joinging in as i am so tempted to do i'm gonna go off and enjoy listening to a bit of tool, and feel the music rather than think about every little sylable.

p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.

you should have spelled out the word "ten" instead of using the number.

is that right?

sorry if i ruined it for you MULHADARA. ;>
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Jesus H CHrist. I've been gone for like 10 days, and i come back here to find the same pointless discussions going on. And to be honest its ruining the whole song and album for me.

so instead of joinging in as i am so tempted to do i'm gonna go off and enjoy listening to a bit of tool, and feel the music rather than think about every little sylable.

p.s MULHADARA, i put a deliberate mistake in this message , if u take time to read it then see if u can spot the deliberate gramatical error. any unintensional ones i couldnt care less about.

you should have spelled out the word "ten" instead of using the number.

is that right?

sorry if i ruined it for you MULHADARA. ;>
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Re: Warartist,

pointless discussion, off subject, you missed my point. Alteration of vowels and consonants in singing vs. speach is a fact, discussing it would take up an entire thread, if not more.

My point was - it's "dimm my eyes" 3x

Makes sense, goes with the rest of the lyrics and the physics of singing supports it.
All IMHO, just a voice among the many here.
your right it would take a hole thread, wanna start one? its ok i dont feel like discussing it furthur anyway. its DAMN tho, at least thats what i heard at the show tonight 4th row orchistra pit.
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Re: Warartist,

pointless discussion, off subject, you missed my point. Alteration of vowels and consonants in singing vs. speach is a fact, discussing it would take up an entire thread, if not more.

My point was - it's "dimm my eyes" 3x

Makes sense, goes with the rest of the lyrics and the physics of singing supports it.
All IMHO, just a voice among the many here.
your right it would take a hole thread, wanna start one? its ok i dont feel like discussing it furthur anyway. its DAMN tho, at least thats what i heard at the show tonight 4th row orchistra pit.
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I support leeches and their preaching.
You do??!?!? I personally hate the Bush White House (HAHAHAHAHA!!!)!

I know it sucks to be taken out of context, but I just couldn't pass that one up.

On the more serious note, I hear neither "leeches" nor "preaching." Let me start by offering my best approximation of what is going on here:

"Breathe in union, sow, as one survive
Another day, and season.
Silence legions, {sing your praises/save your poison}
Silence Legions, stay out of my way."

In the case of "leeches," legions is convincing. However, the "preaching" is more enigmatic: I sometimes hear the "Pr" at the front of the word, and in fact, upon first inspection I thought the lyric was "sing your praises." I don't yet know that is incorrect, and if the "Pr" is valid, it also rules out "save your poison". My hang up on "preaching" is that I do not hear the "ch" sound in the middle of the word. Thus neither "Say your preaching" nor "Save your poison" fit the phoenetics. Also, on "Say your preaching," I question the use off the word "Say" in this sense. By the most broad interpretations, there is nothing technically incorrect about the sentence "Say your preaching." However, I doubt that a poet and linguist with the literal ability of Maynard would go forth with such an awkward phrasing (or I could be completely off base about this point, who knows?). From an analyitical standpoint, I think that either "Sing your praises" or "Save your poison" make perfect sense. I would imagine that some of you are Rage Against the Machine fans, and this portion of Jambi (with either of the above interpretations) seems to parallel Rage's "Fistful of Steel," in which Zack De la Rocha intones, "Silence, something about silence makes me sick, 'cause silence can be violent sorta like the slit wrist . . ."(Save your poison) and later "Some speak in sounds, though they speak in silent voices; like radio is silent thought it fills the air with noises."(Sing your praises).
I also included "Breathe in union, sow, as one survive/ another day, and season." Phoenetically, there is no difference between "so as one" or "sow, as one," but again I defer to Maynard's superior intellect (Wow, my nose is actually browning as I type!) when I suggest the following lyrical interpretation: We breathe to survive the day, and we sow to survive the season. It doesn't change the practice of singing along, but it certainly adds a layer of depth to the lyrical tapestry, and we know that depth is an integral aspect of the Tool experience.
Furthermore, it really sounds to me like there is an "ESS"-type sound on the end of "silent," leading me to be more receptive to lyrical suggestions such as "Silence legions . . ." or MAYBE "Sigh, lest legions . . ." I only consider the "Sigh" portion because I like the earlier suggestion of a corollary between "Breathe in union" and "Sigh, lest . . ." It IS a reach, and it would be hard to complete the lyric in appropriate rhythm, but you never can tell with these guys.
To wrap up, I would like to extend an olive branch to both sides of the Jambi the Genie vs. Jambi the Indonesian Province debate. I would merely like to add that it is possible Maynard, in his infinite depth, wrote these lyrics intentionally steeped in dichotomy and duplicity.
You know, when I saw all these posts and threads about each individual song on each album, I thought "wow, what a bunch of dorks." While my thinking on this matter has not changed, if my disortation has taught me anything, it is that I am AT LEAST as big of a dork as any one of you.

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I support leeches and their preaching.
You do??!?!? I personally hate the Bush White House (HAHAHAHAHA!!!)!

I know it sucks to be taken out of context, but I just couldn't pass that one up.

On the more serious note, I hear neither "leeches" nor "preaching." Let me start by offering my best approximation of what is going on here:

"Breathe in union, sow, as one survive
Another day, and season.
Silence legions, {sing your praises/save your poison}
Silence Legions, stay out of my way."

In the case of "leeches," legions is convincing. However, the "preaching" is more enigmatic: I sometimes hear the "Pr" at the front of the word, and in fact, upon first inspection I thought the lyric was "sing your praises." I don't yet know that is incorrect, and if the "Pr" is valid, it also rules out "save your poison". My hang up on "preaching" is that I do not hear the "ch" sound in the middle of the word. Thus neither "Say your preaching" nor "Save your poison" fit the phoenetics. Also, on "Say your preaching," I question the use off the word "Say" in this sense. By the most broad interpretations, there is nothing technically incorrect about the sentence "Say your preaching." However, I doubt that a poet and linguist with the literal ability of Maynard would go forth with such an awkward phrasing (or I could be completely off base about this point, who knows?). From an analyitical standpoint, I think that either "Sing your praises" or "Save your poison" make perfect sense. I would imagine that some of you are Rage Against the Machine fans, and this portion of Jambi (with either of the above interpretations) seems to parallel Rage's "Fistful of Steel," in which Zack De la Rocha intones, "Silence, something about silence makes me sick, 'cause silence can be violent sorta like the slit wrist . . ."(Save your poison) and later "Some speak in sounds, though they speak in silent voices; like radio is silent thought it fills the air with noises."(Sing your praises).
I also included "Breathe in union, sow, as one survive/ another day, and season." Phoenetically, there is no difference between "so as one" or "sow, as one," but again I defer to Maynard's superior intellect (Wow, my nose is actually browning as I type!) when I suggest the following lyrical interpretation: We breathe to survive the day, and we sow to survive the season. It doesn't change the practice of singing along, but it certainly adds a layer of depth to the lyrical tapestry, and we know that depth is an integral aspect of the Tool experience.
Furthermore, it really sounds to me like there is an "ESS"-type sound on the end of "silent," leading me to be more receptive to lyrical suggestions such as "Silence legions . . ." or MAYBE "Sigh, lest legions . . ." I only consider the "Sigh" portion because I like the earlier suggestion of a corollary between "Breathe in union" and "Sigh, lest . . ." It IS a reach, and it would be hard to complete the lyric in appropriate rhythm, but you never can tell with these guys.
To wrap up, I would like to extend an olive branch to both sides of the Jambi the Genie vs. Jambi the Indonesian Province debate. I would merely like to add that it is possible Maynard, in his infinite depth, wrote these lyrics intentionally steeped in dichotomy and duplicity.
You know, when I saw all these posts and threads about each individual song on each album, I thought "wow, what a bunch of dorks." While my thinking on this matter has not changed, if my disortation has taught me anything, it is that I am AT LEAST as big of a dork as any one of you.

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