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Damn. I wish Columbus had a rock station like that. The Blitz and The Big Wazu only play Tool's songs that were released as singles and nothing else, in between Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Nickleback and a bunch of other bands I hate. That's why my car radio is always tuned to the AM stations.

Anyone else dig the Al Franken show on Air America?
he's right, i live in Columbus too and i'm usually not patient enough to wait for a Tool song on the radio, too much dumb shit in between.
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Damn. I wish Columbus had a rock station like that. The Blitz and The Big Wazu only play Tool's songs that were released as singles and nothing else, in between Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Nickleback and a bunch of other bands I hate. That's why my car radio is always tuned to the AM stations.

Anyone else dig the Al Franken show on Air America?
he's right, i live in Columbus too and i'm usually not patient enough to wait for a Tool song on the radio, too much dumb shit in between.
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I've only heard Vicarious on the radio twice. And the first time was the day it was released."
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I've only heard Vicarious on the radio twice. And the first time was the day it was released."
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I've only heard Vicarious on the radio twice. And the first time was the day it was released."
I haven't heard the song on the radio in about 3 months. I don't think it's getting overplayed. Then again, I don't listen to the radio often.
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I've only heard Vicarious on the radio twice. And the first time was the day it was released."
I haven't heard the song on the radio in about 3 months. I don't think it's getting overplayed. Then again, I don't listen to the radio often.
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Vicarious is definatly over played. if not by radio stations, then by kids who just got into tool.
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Vicarious is definatly over played. if not by radio stations, then by kids who just got into tool.
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Here in Denver, they've been playing it at least 4 times a day on one radio station. Is this happening anywhere else? I hate when they do shit like this, it brings in unwanted Tool "fans." The "YEAH I LIKE TOOL THAT SONG VICARIOUS IS THE SHIT" kind of fans.
i think that playing a song on the radio over and over again can be really annoying as most people do, i can't remember how many times i've said "yeah i liked that song, the first 9000 times i heard it", however when its from a band such as tool, i think i just might be ok with it. usually the songs that get way overplayed or songs that suck bigtime (i.e. chumbawumba, hollaback girl, and songs about "humps"). and as far as "uwanted too fans" liking the song, who are we as fans ourselves to decide who is unwanted. regardless, too much radio play is one of the main reasons i don't listen to music on the radio, that and commercials.
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Here in Denver, they've been playing it at least 4 times a day on one radio station. Is this happening anywhere else? I hate when they do shit like this, it brings in unwanted Tool "fans." The "YEAH I LIKE TOOL THAT SONG VICARIOUS IS THE SHIT" kind of fans.
i think that playing a song on the radio over and over again can be really annoying as most people do, i can't remember how many times i've said "yeah i liked that song, the first 9000 times i heard it", however when its from a band such as tool, i think i just might be ok with it. usually the songs that get way overplayed or songs that suck bigtime (i.e. chumbawumba, hollaback girl, and songs about "humps"). and as far as "uwanted too fans" liking the song, who are we as fans ourselves to decide who is unwanted. regardless, too much radio play is one of the main reasons i don't listen to music on the radio, that and commercials.
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I haven't heard the song on the radio in about 3 months. I don't think it's getting overplayed. Then again, I don't listen to the radio often.
I think it's been more than 3 months for me.

I remember seeing the schism video all the time, and it was played on the radio. I also remember hearing Lateralus on the radio.
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I haven't heard the song on the radio in about 3 months. I don't think it's getting overplayed. Then again, I don't listen to the radio often.
I think it's been more than 3 months for me.

I remember seeing the schism video all the time, and it was played on the radio. I also remember hearing Lateralus on the radio.
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alot you guys are lucky, we have one rock station where i live and man does it blow. all they play is papa roach and saliva and crap like that. every once in awhile the moon howls and i hear tool on the radio at work.
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alot you guys are lucky, we have one rock station where i live and man does it blow. all they play is papa roach and saliva and crap like that. every once in awhile the moon howls and i hear tool on the radio at work.
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Here in Denver, they've been playing it at least 4 times a day on one radio station. Is this happening anywhere else? I hate when they do shit like this, it brings in unwanted Tool "fans." The "YEAH I LIKE TOOL THAT SONG VICARIOUS IS THE SHIT" kind of fans.
4 times a day is overplayed? Haha, you should live here near LA where they play a song 6 times in one hour.
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Here in Denver, they've been playing it at least 4 times a day on one radio station. Is this happening anywhere else? I hate when they do shit like this, it brings in unwanted Tool "fans." The "YEAH I LIKE TOOL THAT SONG VICARIOUS IS THE SHIT" kind of fans.
4 times a day is overplayed? Haha, you should live here near LA where they play a song 6 times in one hour.
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Why is the magic of TOOL reserved for you?
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Why is the magic of TOOL reserved for you?
^^ I agree.
Like most of the recent posts, I agree, who the hell are we to decide who's a fan? This isn't some secret club where we ask: What tune was the second verse of Hooker with a Penis played in? Or a number of other stupid questions.
It's about the music, and more importantly, it's about what the music's trying to tell you: Think for your fucking self.
If you can get that from Vicarious or The Pot when you hear it on the radio, after it's been played repeatedly, kudos.
If it makes you want to buy the album, great.
If it makes you question authority, even better.
End of story.

A-C, if you're going to insult people and claim to be intelligent, LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL. THANK YOU.
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Why is the magic of TOOL reserved for you?
^^ I agree.
Like most of the recent posts, I agree, who the hell are we to decide who's a fan? This isn't some secret club where we ask: What tune was the second verse of Hooker with a Penis played in? Or a number of other stupid questions.
It's about the music, and more importantly, it's about what the music's trying to tell you: Think for your fucking self.
If you can get that from Vicarious or The Pot when you hear it on the radio, after it's been played repeatedly, kudos.
If it makes you want to buy the album, great.
If it makes you question authority, even better.
End of story.

A-C, if you're going to insult people and claim to be intelligent, LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL. THANK YOU.
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Thank you. That's what separates TOOl from other bands; they are an experience not just something you listen to. I want others to expeience that chill when a song touches (might be after the 100th time of listening to it).
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Thank you. That's what separates TOOl from other bands; they are an experience not just something you listen to. I want others to expeience that chill when a song touches (might be after the 100th time of listening to it).
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Thank you. That's what separates TOOl from other bands; they are an experience not just something you listen to. I want others to expeience that chill when a song touches (might be after the 100th time of listening to it).
You're smart, I like that in a person.
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Thank you. That's what separates TOOl from other bands; they are an experience not just something you listen to. I want others to expeience that chill when a song touches (might be after the 100th time of listening to it).
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^^ I agree.
Like most of the recent posts, I agree, who the hell are we to decide who's a fan? This isn't some secret club where we ask: What tune was the second verse of Hooker with a Penis played in? Or a number of other stupid questions.
It's about the music, and more importantly, it's about what the music's trying to tell you: Think for your fucking self.
If you can get that from Vicarious or The Pot when you hear it on the radio, after it's been played repeatedly, kudos.
If it makes you want to buy the album, great.
If it makes you question authority, even better.
End of story.

A-C, if you're going to insult people and claim to be intelligent, LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL. THANK YOU.
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^^ I agree.
Like most of the recent posts, I agree, who the hell are we to decide who's a fan? This isn't some secret club where we ask: What tune was the second verse of Hooker with a Penis played in? Or a number of other stupid questions.
It's about the music, and more importantly, it's about what the music's trying to tell you: Think for your fucking self.
If you can get that from Vicarious or The Pot when you hear it on the radio, after it's been played repeatedly, kudos.
If it makes you want to buy the album, great.
If it makes you question authority, even better.
End of story.

A-C, if you're going to insult people and claim to be intelligent, LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL. THANK YOU.
Truth!!!!!
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How is it that I can't spell?
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For the love of god , somebody buy this kid a cd player for his mom's car!

Why are you so concerned about new people being introduced to TOOL? Does the increased number of fans somehow make your "individuality" feel compromised?
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For the love of god , somebody buy this kid a cd player for his mom's car!

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you claim to be a "REAL" Tool fan and act like you have some better understanding of them than others, yet you are nothing but an intolerant little kid with no clue at all. grow the fuck up.......boy.
*nods*
Honestly, A-C, if you want to be treated with respect, treat others with respect. I'm not christian, or religious in any way, but that's just common sense.
Did you really ask how it is that you can't spell?
YOU COULDN'T SPELL KNOW.
Fifth graders I know can spell know.
And if you don't like what your mom listens too: Walk your ass or take the bus. She's hauling your ass around when I'm sure she has better things to do.
Be grateful she's taking you somewhere.
Ugh, ok, I'm done with this, I'm sick and don't need this.
A-C, please, grow up.
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you claim to be a "REAL" Tool fan and act like you have some better understanding of them than others, yet you are nothing but an intolerant little kid with no clue at all. grow the fuck up.......boy.
*nods*
Honestly, A-C, if you want to be treated with respect, treat others with respect. I'm not christian, or religious in any way, but that's just common sense.
Did you really ask how it is that you can't spell?
YOU COULDN'T SPELL KNOW.
Fifth graders I know can spell know.
And if you don't like what your mom listens too: Walk your ass or take the bus. She's hauling your ass around when I'm sure she has better things to do.
Be grateful she's taking you somewhere.
Ugh, ok, I'm done with this, I'm sick and don't need this.
A-C, please, grow up.
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In the car with your mom?
I'm just curious as to how old you are, since you claim to be so wordly when it comes to all things Tool. Yet your general attitude and reactions point directly at immaturity, which would make a lot of sense considering your transportation arrangements. Must be her car because if it was your own, you would be in control of the radio.
If mommy is still driving you, I assume you can't be more than 20 and if so, for shame. Were you listening to Tool when you were 7? Because Undertow was released in '93. You didn't start at the beginning of Tool either, so get off your high self-important horse.

You enjoy Tool on your own level. Get as deep into it as you like because hell, it's an experience to do so. But don't harp on the new guys just getting interested in Tool. You think you have some sort of holy ground to defend? Saving all of Tool-dom with your heroics? Fending off the new generations of Tool fans from the ones who have been enjoying it for many years? Spare us your theatrics.

I don't see how Tool getting exposure on the radio is bad. Tool isn't exactly an underground band or well-kept secret. They are almost mainstream... so much so that when Lateralus was released the local Top40 and pop radio stations here gave Schism some airtime. Very odd hearing Tool sandwiched between Britney and Mariah. But it may mesmerize a few interested people who will find more depth and meaning in bands like Tool. These people may become more what you deem acceptable and less what you obviously hate so much.

You do need to get a grip though because you overreacted in a major way back there.
Live and let live. Ignore the ignorant. Your Tool will never be their Tool so don't worry about it.
I'm 20 and I still ride around with my mom, and she occasionally rides around with me. .....Did you actively decide to no longer allow your mother to drive anywhere once you turned a certain age? ...Do you hate your mother? ...Do you think there's some sort of like, maturity level that's reached only when you stop being in a car with your parent driving?

and as far as constant radioplay of Vicarious (and The Pot), maybe you're unaware. There DOES exist a thing called oversaturation, which can profoundly effect the public opinion of a band. You might not think that matters, but if Tool wasn't selling millions and millions of albums and reaching #1 chart numbers, they wouldn't be able to afford Alex Grey, their album layouts period, their monsterous live sets, their specialized equipment, etc.

Vicarious getting constant radio play could very easily lead to the mainstream audiance being sick of Tool.


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Are you implying that you're a "true OGT"? I seriously doubt it, unless you picked up Opiate when you were 2 years old...seeing as you're 16. So am I, but I'm not claiming to be OGT. And if you want to come across as older than you really are, don't link to your MySpace from your toolnavy profile. Unless you're really not 16 and "The Original Constantine" is just some 16-year-old you're stalking. If that's the case, you have my sincerest apologies...please don't come after me next.

Wow.
That was obviously a joke, as it tends to be any time anyone says "OGT", especially since it was a joke in the first place when it was in the song.


You people need to stop arguing over semantics and picking apart eachothers posts, especially when it's an (extremely) obvious joke. Mellow out and get out of each others grills.



Oh, and for the record, I was listening to Tool when I was seven, on a singles-only basis. (not that it makes any fucking difference when I started listening to Tool, especially since I didn't actually get into them on a serious level 'til around 2001, 2002). So there's your positive side to radio/Mtv play.



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Not that I'm defending this dude or anything. He's been pretty lame too. I'm just sayin. You're never too old to ride around with your mommy.

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In the car with your mom?
I'm just curious as to how old you are, since you claim to be so wordly when it comes to all things Tool. Yet your general attitude and reactions point directly at immaturity, which would make a lot of sense considering your transportation arrangements. Must be her car because if it was your own, you would be in control of the radio.
If mommy is still driving you, I assume you can't be more than 20 and if so, for shame. Were you listening to Tool when you were 7? Because Undertow was released in '93. You didn't start at the beginning of Tool either, so get off your high self-important horse.

You enjoy Tool on your own level. Get as deep into it as you like because hell, it's an experience to do so. But don't harp on the new guys just getting interested in Tool. You think you have some sort of holy ground to defend? Saving all of Tool-dom with your heroics? Fending off the new generations of Tool fans from the ones who have been enjoying it for many years? Spare us your theatrics.

I don't see how Tool getting exposure on the radio is bad. Tool isn't exactly an underground band or well-kept secret. They are almost mainstream... so much so that when Lateralus was released the local Top40 and pop radio stations here gave Schism some airtime. Very odd hearing Tool sandwiched between Britney and Mariah. But it may mesmerize a few interested people who will find more depth and meaning in bands like Tool. These people may become more what you deem acceptable and less what you obviously hate so much.

You do need to get a grip though because you overreacted in a major way back there.
Live and let live. Ignore the ignorant. Your Tool will never be their Tool so don't worry about it.
I'm 20 and I still ride around with my mom, and she occasionally rides around with me. .....Did you actively decide to no longer allow your mother to drive anywhere once you turned a certain age? ...Do you hate your mother? ...Do you think there's some sort of like, maturity level that's reached only when you stop being in a car with your parent driving?

and as far as constant radioplay of Vicarious (and The Pot), maybe you're unaware. There DOES exist a thing called oversaturation, which can profoundly effect the public opinion of a band. You might not think that matters, but if Tool wasn't selling millions and millions of albums and reaching #1 chart numbers, they wouldn't be able to afford Alex Grey, their album layouts period, their monsterous live sets, their specialized equipment, etc.

Vicarious getting constant radio play could very easily lead to the mainstream audiance being sick of Tool.


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Are you implying that you're a "true OGT"? I seriously doubt it, unless you picked up Opiate when you were 2 years old...seeing as you're 16. So am I, but I'm not claiming to be OGT. And if you want to come across as older than you really are, don't link to your MySpace from your toolnavy profile. Unless you're really not 16 and "The Original Constantine" is just some 16-year-old you're stalking. If that's the case, you have my sincerest apologies...please don't come after me next.

Wow.
That was obviously a joke, as it tends to be any time anyone says "OGT", especially since it was a joke in the first place when it was in the song.


You people need to stop arguing over semantics and picking apart eachothers posts, especially when it's an (extremely) obvious joke. Mellow out and get out of each others grills.



Oh, and for the record, I was listening to Tool when I was seven, on a singles-only basis. (not that it makes any fucking difference when I started listening to Tool, especially since I didn't actually get into them on a serious level 'til around 2001, 2002). So there's your positive side to radio/Mtv play.



Sweet. More duality.


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Not that I'm defending this dude or anything. He's been pretty lame too. I'm just sayin. You're never too old to ride around with your mommy.

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Not that I'm defending this dude or anything. He's been pretty lame too. I'm just sayin. You're never too old to ride around with your mommy.
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Not that I'm defending this dude or anything. He's been pretty lame too. I'm just sayin. You're never too old to ride around with your mommy.
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i haven't listened to the radio in about 5 years.
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i haven't listened to the radio in about 5 years.
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I've heard it on the radio once, but I normally listen to my iPod, so that would make sense. Radio stations overplay everything, that's why I stick to the iPod.
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I've heard it on the radio once, but I normally listen to my iPod, so that would make sense. Radio stations overplay everything, that's why I stick to the iPod.
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I was typing quickly and I missed a letter in the word "know." A typo. Happens to everyone. You cannot say that someone can't spell because of one little typo, that's just retarded.
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I was typing quickly and I missed a letter in the word "know." A typo. Happens to everyone. You cannot say that someone can't spell because of one little typo, that's just retarded.
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i say spread the love far and wide, via radiowaves or whatever whichway? TOOL have made my experience a far more bearable one.. and if one more person gets to hear, be inspired by and experience something that makes their time here more bearable too then i'm all for it.
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i say spread the love far and wide, via radiowaves or whatever whichway? TOOL have made my experience a far more bearable one.. and if one more person gets to hear, be inspired by and experience something that makes their time here more bearable too then i'm all for it.
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and as far as constant radioplay of Vicarious (and The Pot), maybe you're unaware. There DOES exist a thing called oversaturation, which can profoundly effect the public opinion of a band. You might not think that matters, but if Tool wasn't selling millions and millions of albums and reaching #1 chart numbers, they wouldn't be able to afford Alex Grey, their album layouts period, their monsterous live sets, their specialized equipment, etc.

Vicarious getting constant radio play could very easily lead to the mainstream audiance being sick of Tool.

The oversaturation concept you refer to is a bad thing because?
Tool seldom does extravagent media/promotions for their music , therefore they need the airplay , ALSO its the individual radio stations /disc jockies that regulate what gets air play , in that sense the band really has no input as to HOW MUCH the song gets played , therefore there is no direct link to the band and how much revenue they recieve off of radioplay.


The whole "mainstream audience being sick of Tool"?
I had no idea TOOL was mainstream or relied upon their mainstream appeal for success, the last i heard they were on a small label ,self promoted and seldom did interviews. Go figure.
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and as far as constant radioplay of Vicarious (and The Pot), maybe you're unaware. There DOES exist a thing called oversaturation, which can profoundly effect the public opinion of a band. You might not think that matters, but if Tool wasn't selling millions and millions of albums and reaching #1 chart numbers, they wouldn't be able to afford Alex Grey, their album layouts period, their monsterous live sets, their specialized equipment, etc.

Vicarious getting constant radio play could very easily lead to the mainstream audiance being sick of Tool.

The oversaturation concept you refer to is a bad thing because?
Tool seldom does extravagent media/promotions for their music , therefore they need the airplay , ALSO its the individual radio stations /disc jockies that regulate what gets air play , in that sense the band really has no input as to HOW MUCH the song gets played , therefore there is no direct link to the band and how much revenue they recieve off of radioplay.


The whole "mainstream audience being sick of Tool"?
I had no idea TOOL was mainstream or relied upon their mainstream appeal for success, the last i heard they were on a small label ,self promoted and seldom did interviews. Go figure.
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hey anarcho-commie. wanna know why communism will never work? look up "the impossibility of economic calculation under socialism." the great Ludwig von Mises debunked socialism and communism many decades ago. he predicted that without a natural pricing system, a body controlling the distribution of goods would be blind to where those goods are needed, and the "socialist economy" (an oxymoron) would eventually collapse. Remember the USSR?
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hey anarcho-commie. wanna know why communism will never work? look up "the impossibility of economic calculation under socialism." the great Ludwig von Mises debunked socialism and communism many decades ago. he predicted that without a natural pricing system, a body controlling the distribution of goods would be blind to where those goods are needed, and the "socialist economy" (an oxymoron) would eventually collapse. Remember the USSR?
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The oversaturation concept you refer to is a bad thing because?
Tool seldom does extravagent media/promotions for their music , therefore they need the airplay , ALSO its the individual radio stations /disc jockies that regulate what gets air play , in that sense the band really has no input as to HOW MUCH the song gets played , therefore there is no direct link to the band and how much revenue they recieve off of radioplay.


The whole "mainstream audience being sick of Tool"?
I had no idea TOOL was mainstream or relied upon their mainstream appeal for success, the last i heard they were on a small label ,self promoted and seldom did interviews. Go figure.


Uh...
First of all, radio dj's have absolutely nothing to do with what gets played on the air... like... at all. I don't know where the fuck you got that idea.. that's entirely up to the station, which relies completely on sales/charts/legalized versions of Payola.

Tool is extremely mainstream. Being mainstream has nothing to do with what size your label is, who promotes you, and how often you do interviews. It has to do with, for example, how often you're on the radio, being able to afford famous artists for album art (Alex Grey charges 3,500 to use existing art, I can only imagine how much it costs for him to actually collaborate with you), album sales, and popularity.

Their music might not be stereotypical mainstream music, and the way they do their business may not be stereotypical mainstream music business. They are, however, extremely mainstream.


and like I already said in the original post, it can be a bad thing because people can easily get sick of hearing Tool and will lose interest, which would lead to them falling off and no longer having millions and millions of dollars for extravagent tours and stereoscopic album art.

I highly doubt that'll happen, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid concern.
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The oversaturation concept you refer to is a bad thing because?
Tool seldom does extravagent media/promotions for their music , therefore they need the airplay , ALSO its the individual radio stations /disc jockies that regulate what gets air play , in that sense the band really has no input as to HOW MUCH the song gets played , therefore there is no direct link to the band and how much revenue they recieve off of radioplay.


The whole "mainstream audience being sick of Tool"?
I had no idea TOOL was mainstream or relied upon their mainstream appeal for success, the last i heard they were on a small label ,self promoted and seldom did interviews. Go figure.


Uh...
First of all, radio dj's have absolutely nothing to do with what gets played on the air... like... at all. I don't know where the fuck you got that idea.. that's entirely up to the station, which relies completely on sales/charts/legalized versions of Payola.

Tool is extremely mainstream. Being mainstream has nothing to do with what size your label is, who promotes you, and how often you do interviews. It has to do with, for example, how often you're on the radio, being able to afford famous artists for album art (Alex Grey charges 3,500 to use existing art, I can only imagine how much it costs for him to actually collaborate with you), album sales, and popularity.

Their music might not be stereotypical mainstream music, and the way they do their business may not be stereotypical mainstream music business. They are, however, extremely mainstream.


and like I already said in the original post, it can be a bad thing because people can easily get sick of hearing Tool and will lose interest, which would lead to them falling off and no longer having millions and millions of dollars for extravagent tours and stereoscopic album art.

I highly doubt that'll happen, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid concern.
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I thought radio went the way of the tape deck and the 8 track, I haven't seen a radio in ages.

But srsly, the same week the album came out, one of the stations played the entire album, I felt ripped off, cause I'd bought the goddamned disk the day it came out.

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I thought radio went the way of the tape deck and the 8 track, I haven't seen a radio in ages.

But srsly, the same week the album came out, one of the stations played the entire album, I felt ripped off, cause I'd bought the goddamned disk the day it came out.

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if we lived in a perfect world... it would be a communist world...
A perfect world is a world free of bullshit governmental ideologies that are forced on a people by selfish fucks. A perfect world is a world where we all get along and stop bitching about every insignifigant thing like what's being played on the radio.
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if we lived in a perfect world... it would be a communist world...
A perfect world is a world free of bullshit governmental ideologies that are forced on a people by selfish fucks. A perfect world is a world where we all get along and stop bitching about every insignifigant thing like what's being played on the radio.
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Exactly.

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yes it is. thats because we dont live in eutopia. if we did, then comunism would work because people wouldnt corrupt it. the ideal behind comunism is equality for everyone, no matter what their occupation or social standing or whatever. unfortunately it relies heavily on the people in control to make it so. and people in control tend to turn control into power... and then u have anything but equality.

in an ideal world, comunism would work. this isnt an ideal world, so we're stuck with fuckin democracy, which still manages to get corrupted fairly well anyway
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Ever see a comunist nation? It's a totalitarian state.
yes it is. thats because we dont live in eutopia. if we did, then comunism would work because people wouldnt corrupt it. the ideal behind comunism is equality for everyone, no matter what their occupation or social standing or whatever. unfortunately it relies heavily on the people in control to make it so. and people in control tend to turn control into power... and then u have anything but equality.

in an ideal world, comunism would work. this isnt an ideal world, so we're stuck with fuckin democracy, which still manages to get corrupted fairly well anyway
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yes it is. thats because we dont live in eutopia. if we did, then comunism would work because people wouldnt corrupt it. the ideal behind comunism is equality for everyone, no matter what their occupation or social standing or whatever. unfortunately it relies heavily on the people in control to make it so. and people in control tend to turn control into power... and then u have anything but equality.

in an ideal world, comunism would work. this isnt an ideal world, so we're stuck with fuckin democracy, which still manages to get corrupted fairly well anyway
Welcome to reality. The ideal world will never exist because it doesn't force growth.

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yes it is. thats because we dont live in eutopia. if we did, then comunism would work because people wouldnt corrupt it. the ideal behind comunism is equality for everyone, no matter what their occupation or social standing or whatever. unfortunately it relies heavily on the people in control to make it so. and people in control tend to turn control into power... and then u have anything but equality.

in an ideal world, comunism would work. this isnt an ideal world, so we're stuck with fuckin democracy, which still manages to get corrupted fairly well anyway
Welcome to reality. The ideal world will never exist because it doesn't force growth.

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Welcome to reality. The ideal world will never exist because it doesn't force growth.
what i find confusing is that your tellin me this, like this wasnt what i was saying from the beggining...
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what i find confusing is that your tellin me this, like this wasnt what i was saying from the beggining...
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What I find confusing is why you complain about the things you can't change. I think the world is ideal and perfect as it is. We are what we are, because the world is what it is, there is no paradise because everytime man finds it, he fucks it up. Destruction is human nature, your ideal world will never be because it contradicts the way things are meant to be.

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What I find confusing is why you complain about the things you can't change. I think the world is ideal and perfect as it is. We are what we are, because the world is what it is, there is no paradise because everytime man finds it, he fucks it up. Destruction is human nature, your ideal world will never be because it contradicts the way things are meant to be.

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Dude, I diddnt say that we should all be comunist because then the world would be ideal, i said that because the world will never be ideal comunism would never work. I dun know why you'v gone off on some rant trying to convince me that 'my ideal world' will neva be. lol, i was neva complainin about it or askin people to change, just statein the way things were.

Heh, and beleive me, *my* ideal world would contain quite a bit of destruction... a whole tasty bit of it ;p... but then that wouldnt make it 'an ideal world', cuz itd suck for a whole lot more people :D

lol, but seriously, if u think the world is perfect as it is, with all the inequality, much of which those who suffer it will never be able to rectify, then ur a cock, i mean seriously, id love ta see u have that same opinion if you were born into a world in which you contracted aids as a baby because of ur mothers breast milk. im all for survival of the fittest, but many of the fittest die off before they get a chance to flex their muscles.
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Dude, I diddnt say that we should all be comunist because then the world would be ideal, i said that because the world will never be ideal comunism would never work. I dun know why you'v gone off on some rant trying to convince me that 'my ideal world' will neva be. lol, i was neva complainin about it or askin people to change, just statein the way things were.

Heh, and beleive me, *my* ideal world would contain quite a bit of destruction... a whole tasty bit of it ;p... but then that wouldnt make it 'an ideal world', cuz itd suck for a whole lot more people :D

lol, but seriously, if u think the world is perfect as it is, with all the inequality, much of which those who suffer it will never be able to rectify, then ur a cock, i mean seriously, id love ta see u have that same opinion if you were born into a world in which you contracted aids as a baby because of ur mothers breast milk. im all for survival of the fittest, but many of the fittest die off before they get a chance to flex their muscles.
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