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Originally Posted by kanaduh
After a quick look at a map, the New Hampshire show pretty much makes it 99% that there will be a Montreal show on August 3rd or 4th.
Sorry Boston/Philly.
In the grand scheme of things, almost everyone I know in the touring industry would consider a Manchester, NH show to practically be considered a Boston area show. They're only about 50 miles apart. Even if a band were doing a full-scale multi-month tour you wouldn't be likely to see a show in Manchester and Boston on the same leg of the tour.
The same could be said for North Jersey, NYC, and Long Island.
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Originally Posted by junior
In the grand scheme of things, almost everyone I know in the touring industry would consider a Manchester, NH show to practically be considered a Boston area show. They're only about 50 miles apart. Even if a band were doing a full-scale multi-month tour you wouldn't be likely to see a show in Manchester and Boston on the same leg of the tour.
The same could be said for North Jersey, NYC, and Long Island.
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Originally Posted by junior
In the grand scheme of things, almost everyone I know in the touring industry would consider a Manchester, NH show to practically be considered a Boston area show. They're only about 50 miles apart. Even if a band were doing a full-scale multi-month tour you wouldn't be likely to see a show in Manchester and Boston on the same leg of the tour.
The same could be said for North Jersey, NYC, and Long Island.
junior where in the fark is the damn LA area show already? Sure, I'm seeing two dates on the tour already so I'm just being a spoiled biatch. But so what? So CA already please!
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Embryo: any suggestions on getting a minor some beer before the show near the venue!? stupid USA drinking laws. I've been legal in Canada for a while now...but don't turn 21 until October.
Another reason I can't wait for the Toronto show.
Buying alcohol for a minor in New Mexico is a fourth degree felony punishable by up to 18 months in jail and a fine of up to $500 USD. There are quite a few places on the main road to the Rio Rancho venue to purchase alcohol, but they card anyone who looks like they're under 30. It's enough to make one consider bringing one's own provisions from Canadia.
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junior where in the fark is the damn LA area show already? Sure, I'm seeing two dates on the tour already so I'm just being a spoiled biatch. But so what? So CA already please!
I'm not sure exactly what the hold-up is, but I'm sure it'll be announced as soon as everything is ironed out.
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Originally Posted by kanaduh
Yeah, you're right.
I didn't realize how close they actually are.
Still putting my money on Montreal though.
A repeat of the Sometimes It's Dark cover?????
I think that was a one-time only thing, although they had noodled around with it since around 1998.
Maybe they'll at least have the spirit of that in mind when choosing songs for the summer and we'll end up with some other good stuff.
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Originally Posted by begmetostay
What do you guys think. I live in ma that NH venue is about 2.5 hours. damn I hate driving a long time after a show.
Dude I have to drive 3 hrs to almost every good show I see whether it's Atlanta, Asheville, NC or Chapel Hill, NC...and I always drive back. Occasionally I'll luck out and one will be here in Columbia or only 90 minutes away in Charlotte or Greenville, SC. Just limit yourself to a couple beers and plan a stop at Waffle House or whatever your equivalent is up there, and make it happen! You'll be kicking yourself on August 3rd otherwise.
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Originally Posted by junior
In the grand scheme of things, almost everyone I know in the touring industry would consider a Manchester, NH show to practically be considered a Boston area show. They're only about 50 miles apart. Even if a band were doing a full-scale multi-month tour you wouldn't be likely to see a show in Manchester and Boston on the same leg of the tour.
The same could be said for North Jersey, NYC, and Long Island.
This is true, but for Tool's popularity in the area, this smaller arena is not going to meet demand, unless there is a second date added. On Lateralus they played the Boston Garden on Friday and Manchester on Sunday and both were sold-out. On 10K I think they played Mansfield on a Friday and then Manchester on the following Tuesday and both were sold out. I think Manchester holds around 9K for a concert. They could have easily filled 19K in Mansfield or 17K in Boston. I'm just surprised they didn't go for a larger venue as the only New England show. Those venues appeared to be open on the same date as well. Manchester tickets will sell out in minutes. Glad to have a show in the area, though.
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I posted this on TA and wanted to put it out there over here as well:
Why Tour for Three Weeks?
I have seen a lot of people refer to this tour as the "Fatten Our Wallets" tour, but I am not buying into that line of thinking at all. Tool is still the same band they have always been, and it has clearly never been about the money for them. If it were all about the money, why go to all of the trouble to put a show together and invest all of that energy into getting the massive momentum of a stadium tour going, and then end it in only 3 weeks? They could easily hit a lot more venues and keep it going for a couple months, even phone in a few of the performances if it were all about the money. It's not. So why invest all of the time and energy to get the show on the road, only to shut it down after a mere 3 weeks?
Some have speculated it is to get them together creatively again to kick start the creative juices for writing the next album. Maybe that does have something to do with it, but they haven't had to do that in the past, so why start now?
I'm thinking that maybe it is about the money. Not money to fatten their wallets, but maybe money to fund a project? Generate the revenue they need to be able to produce and release their own album? Or to fund making their own "Wall" type movie, as they have talked about in the past. Or to fund some other undisclosed project? It makes sense then to shut down the tour after they get the money they need so they can then work on completing the project the tour money is funding.
Or maybe this tour is to gather more live footage and finally put out that long discussed live DVD?
I'd love to hear what others think...
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Originally Posted by millermt
I posted this on TA and wanted to put it out there over here as well:
Why Tour for Three Weeks?
I have seen a lot of people refer to this tour as the "Fatten Our Wallets" tour, but I am not buying into that line of thinking at all. Tool is still the same band they have always been, and it has clearly never been about the money for them. If it were all about the money, why go to all of the trouble to put a show together and invest all of that energy into getting the massive momentum of a stadium tour going, and then end it in only 3 weeks? They could easily hit a lot more venues and keep it going for a couple months, even phone in a few of the performances if it were all about the money. It's not. So why invest all of the time and energy to get the show on the road, only to shut it down after a mere 3 weeks?
Some have speculated it is to get them together creatively again to kick start the creative juices for writing the next album. Maybe that does have something to do with it, but they haven't had to do that in the past, so why start now?
I'm thinking that maybe it is about the money. Not money to fatten their wallets, but maybe money to fund a project? Generate the revenue they need to be able to produce and release their own album? Or to fund making their own "Wall" type movie, as they have talked about in the past. Or to fund some other undisclosed project? It makes sense then to shut down the tour after they get the money they need so they can then work on completing the project the tour money is funding.
Or maybe this tour is to gather more live footage and finally put out that long discussed live DVD?
I'd love to hear what others think...
I think you may be on to something as far as this tour being used to fund another project. Tool has usually released something before each new album is produced and perhaps this is a way to cover recording and video costs? Before Lateralus we had the release of Salival and before 10K Days we had the release of the Schism and Parabola DVD's.
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i hope theyre not gonna use footage from the upcoming tour for a live dvd... if they ever were to put out a live dvd, they need to use footage from the lateralus tour...when they were in their prime and maynard gave a shit
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I think part of the reason for this tour may be to take care of fans they missed because the last tour was shortened due to Danny's injury. A number of these dates, Charlotte for instance, were places they usually play but didn't. It also makes sense for a live DVD to record with Danny at 100%, which he wasn't the last go around. I also talked to a buddy who's been a fan from day 1 and he mentioned that they have road tested songs in the past. It would make sense if the new stuff is little less proggy and has more of a "live" feel to it. Still wondering if they take out a support act this time. If there is, and they're choosing not to tell us yet, it would make sense for a band like Faith No More to do it. Otherwise, I could see different acts depending on location. For instance, Dream Theater is headlining a club show in Asheville the same night as the Charlotte date. It's totally possible for them to do an hour set and then hit the road to be on stage in Asheville by 11. Or even crazier, what about Rage? That would make total sense as to why they wouldn't say anything.
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Or even crazier, what about Rage? That would make total sense as to why they wouldn't say anything.
Why would it make sense to not say anything about Rage opening? Or even Faith No More? I can see the pre-tour meetings now... "I have a great idea... lets put together a bona fide, guaranteed, knock-it-out-of-the-park, homerun tour with 2 of the biggest rock bands in history... AND NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT!"
If there is an opening band... which looks less likely as the dates get closer, it'll be one of the more unknown bands they usually bring on tour.
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Why would it make sense to not say anything about Rage opening? Or even Faith No More? I can see the pre-tour meetings now... "I have a great idea... lets put together a bona fide, guaranteed, knock-it-out-of-the-park, homerun tour with 2 of the biggest rock bands in history... AND NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT!"
If there is an opening band... which looks less likely as the dates get closer, it'll be one of the more unknown bands they usually bring on tour.
Faith No More would be great but they are tour in Europe starting tomorrow, and then onto S. America in the fall.
Ditto that with it being an unknown opener like Big Business ....
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Originally Posted by McMAN71
I think part of the reason for this tour may be to take care of fans they missed because the last tour was shortened due to Danny's injury. A number of these dates, Charlotte for instance, were places they usually play but didn't.
I would imagine in the TOOL team's mind, Winston-Salem and Greenville, SC both count as shows in the Charlotte market and they hit up both during their swing through the southeast in '07.
I think they probably got called about the festivals. They quoted a super high price since it wasn't part of the plan to play any shows. The festivals surprisingly accepted the price and they scheduled these dates at the last second so they're not wasting 3 weeks between 3 shows. That's a total guess though and really any of the theories thrown out so far would not surprise me in the least. Really I hope you guys guessing this is in some way related to a future dvd or the "big thing" are correct.
The only thing that would surprise me is if it's a situation where they just said "eh, let's go make some money just for the sake of our bank accounts." Of course we'd never know if that was the reason anyway so I'm safe from being disappointed if that were the case, hah. (Although then again...if that is the reason it still results in me seeing as many as 3 or 4 TOOL shows this summer so who am I to judge?!)
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I'll tell you why. For starters, negotiations could still be ongoing. This could also lend credence to the "no opener" possibility. Second, this could be to pull a fast one on LiveNation. What is not widely reportned is the fact that LiveNation charges bands for the privelage to sell tickets on their site and perform in their arenas, and its a sliding scale. The bigger tours get charged more. This is one of the reasons that you see triple digit list prices on a lot of shows. Live Nation also makes larger blocks tickets available to the brokers that sell on Stub Hub and Ebay, which drives ticket prices even higher. For instance, prime seats were available on StubHub for the Charlotte dates at $200-$400 a clip before even the ToolArmy presales happened! How much do you think those would have been if a major opener was announced? Not letting anyone know about the opener most likely kept prices down. Look, most of the dates sold out same day anyway, so its not like they needed to announce said band to help sell tickets! Third, maybe they just want to surprise us?
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Faith No More is touring Europe, however there is a month break that coincides with the Tool tour and gives FNM enough time before and after to make it feasible. Not saying that it will happen, but it COULD.
As for Charlotte area shows, Tool played Charlotte and Raleigh on the second leg and Greenville and Greensboro on the 3rd leg of the 10,000 days tour (or something like that). I was actually kind of shocked that Charlotte was skipped completely on 10k days, and figured it was because of the injury.
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Originally Posted by McMAN71
Faith No More is touring Europe, however there is a month break that coincides with the Tool tour and gives FNM enough time before and after to make it feasible. Not saying that it will happen, but it COULD.
injury.
Saw Tomahawk open for Tool up in Oakland (first time I saw/heard Reflection live- Sweet!) first time I saw and heard them. But I would L O V E to see FNM!!! Thought I missed the boat on that one. Hearing THE REAL THING would be EPIC.
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Originally Posted by McMAN71
I think part of the reason for this tour may be to take care of fans they missed because the last tour was shortened due to Danny's injury. A number of these dates, Charlotte for instance, were places they usually play but didn't. It also makes sense for a live DVD to record with Danny at 100%, which he wasn't the last go around. I also talked to a buddy who's been a fan from day 1 and he mentioned that they have road tested songs in the past. It would make sense if the new stuff is little less proggy and has more of a "live" feel to it. Still wondering if they take out a support act this time. If there is, and they're choosing not to tell us yet, it would make sense for a band like Faith No More to do it. Otherwise, I could see different acts depending on location. For instance, Dream Theater is headlining a club show in Asheville the same night as the Charlotte date. It's totally possible for them to do an hour set and then hit the road to be on stage in Asheville by 11. Or even crazier, what about Rage? That would make total sense as to why they wouldn't say anything.
In the special Revolver Tool magazine, Maynard said that they don't like to road test songs anymore, due to the advent of recording and internet distribution. I would doubt to see new songs in this tour.
I doubt they would take FNM or RATM on tour as opener. They usually take with them low profile bands...Sure, Messhuggah, Isis, Mastodon, Fantomas, Tomahawk, The Melvins, they are all bigs names but they are not comparable to FNM or Rage...
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Originally Posted by dr funkmaster
I think they probably got called about the festivals. They quoted a super high price since it wasn't part of the plan to play any shows. The festivals surprisingly accepted the price and they scheduled these dates at the last second so they're not wasting 3 weeks between 3 shows. That's a total guess though and really any of the theories thrown out so far would not surprise me in the least. Really I hope you guys guessing this is in some way related to a future dvd or the "big thing" are correct.
The only thing that would surprise me is if it's a situation where they just said "eh, let's go make some money just for the sake of our bank accounts." Of course we'd never know if that was the reason anyway so I'm safe from being disappointed if that were the case, hah. (Although then again...if that is the reason it still results in me seeing as many as 3 or 4 TOOL shows this summer so who am I to judge?!)
I agree most with this, in my opinion. I'd say the festivals called and it just happened to work out (however that may be, doesn't matter). So TOOL got these 3 festivals booked first, and much before any of these other dates were released. But there was that gap in between the festivals, so obviously TOOL would choose to fill the gaps with shows, for obvious reasons. I think this is why it almost seems as though this was all scheduled so haphazardly, and why it is getting kinda close to the start of the tour and we still don't even know all the dates yet, because it wasn't some big official planned thing, it just sorta became necessary after getting the festival schedules all worked out. And I think, personally, if this were all one big ploy to get some money, I think they'd be in places like Seattle, the west coast, new england, california, and places of the like on this tour, because those are guarantee cities for them to sell out huge venues. Not that any city isn't a city that TOOL could sell out a venue at, but places like SLC and some of the others, I can -still- get tickets to. (No offense to any of those areas, you all deserve a TOOL show just as much as the rest). so thats my opinion, anyway.
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. Not that any city isn't a city that TOOL could sell out a venue at, but places like SLC and some of the others, I can -still- get tickets to. (No offense to any of those areas, you all deserve a TOOL show just as much as the rest). so thats my opinion, anyway.
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Some have speculated it is to get them together creatively again to kick start the creative juices for writing the next album. Maybe that does have something to do with it, but they haven't had to do that in the past, so why start now?
They're older. They don't just jump around on stage and have energy like they used to. On the up side, they're more thoughtful about what they do than they have been in the past and their music reflects very well where they are as artists. If it takes a little extra push for them to take the next step, I am perfectly fine with that.
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It is interesting that they are playing smaller venues for the non festival shows. In Cinci, the PNC pavillion is the smaller of the two facilities in the same venue. I saw the Grateful Dead at Riverbend and it was a great venue. But Tool decided to play the smaller, fixed seat only venue with no lawn.
This certainly isn't a money grab.
Or, they got some really good advice from their management company who pointed out the fact they haven't released a new album in three years and would have a hard time filling 15,000 seat venues.
Or, they decided they wanted to fill the off dates with smaller shows because they dont need the money and they wanted to play together a bit before hitting the studio hard core.
Or we should accept the fact that most of didn't expect to see them live again until 2010 at the earliest and we should be happy.
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