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Old 09-20-2006, 01:15 PM   #121
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Re: 2006/09/19 - Madison, WI - Kohl Center

they did cancel the show in San Antonio, due to illness, they cancelled the day of the show about 6 hours prior to show time! However it will be rescheduled, no announcement on when that will be!
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Could them not rescheduling have anything to do with the Kohl center being booked. Because by the time Tool had time to come back to Madison might be the same time hockey and basketball start up at the kohl center.
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PS-if you dont like the new album, why do u wanna go to a show based on it. and if its so terrible, how come it went platinum in less than 3 months???
You've seen the setlist, right? It's more of a "greatest hits" tour than a ten thousand days tour.
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i love tool and ive been reading show reviews and yes at first i was pissed off they cancelled cuz i couldve gone to a chitown show, but come on people ur saying you fuckin hate tool because they wont play madison. face it, if u were huge rockstars and ur bands frontman still felt like crap and couldnt sing at 100% u might consider cancelling too. BUT there is a bright side...if u retards who say ill never see tool didnt pay attention to the reviews i do...it sounds like they are coming back to the states in '07... be smart go to the closest BIG venue when u get the chance and stop saying tool screwed you over...u bought tickets so i highly doubt u r gonna stop liking them...so to all haters....suck it up

PS-if you dont like the new album, why do u wanna go to a show based on it. and if its so terrible, how come it went platinum in less than 3 months???
First off, I do enjoy much of the latest album, despite the fact that it is not their greatest effort. But you are employing faulty logic.... have you seen the charts as of late? Selling thousands of albums doesn't mean that the album is quality. Paris Hilton is on the charts....

And as for being upset, people have a right to be. Tool hasn't toured for six years. These are loyal fans who will buy any table scraps that Tool decides to give them. I love Tool, don't get me wrong, but the least they could do is give the fans that support them a little bit once in awhile, perhaps a dvd. So when us fans think we are going to get a little something from the band that means so much to us, and it gets cancelled, with out being rescheduled, it sucks. So if people stop liking Tool for this reason, it is justified.

Thank you. That is all.

I hope Tool decides to remedy this.
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What makes you think I'm getting "a kick" out of this? I could care less. I'm just sick of reading all these posts by you whiney little pissants who think you're owed everything. The people who boughts tix can get their $$$ back so they're not screwed out of that. They are screwed out of a tool show. Oh well, guess what shit happens. Get over it. And if you think I'm just another fanboy, well you're wrong again. With the exception of Vicarious, the songs on this cd are their weakest cd since Opiate. This was not Maynards finest hour and 20 minutes. IMHO he phoned it in. Oh yeah, one more thing; based on the current set list, I have no plans on going to see this show either.
If you're sick of reading posts that don't affect you, then you shouldn't read them.... strange how that works. As for getting screwed, many people are more than just screwed out of getting a Tool show. It's hard being a college student and paying $60+ in advance to see a band, especially when you could have used that $60+ for other things that maybe you were sacrificing for the show.

Oh, and, there are three other members of Tool. It's not just Maynard....
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It's hard being a college student and paying $60+ in advance to see a band, especially when you could have used that $60+ for other things that maybe you were sacrificing for the show.
Jesus, here we go again. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! You think it's tough being a college student??? Give me a break. Wait'll you grow up and become an adult. You may want to shoot yourself now.

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You've seen the setlist, right? It's more of a "greatest hits" tour than a ten thousand days tour.
What set list have you been looking at? 6/11 songs or 7/12 have been from the new album...personally I think they could play any 12 of their songs and be perfectly happy but I don't know if I'd totally call this a "greatest hits" tour.
That being said, you guys got fucked big time...I'm hoping they don't the same for tomorrow's show in Columbus. I feel for ya.
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Man, this sucks. This was supposed to be my first Tool show, and I was really looking forward to it, I discovered the band 3 years ago and this is how long I have been waiting for the show. I am so mad I got rid of my Chicago ticket, when I heard about this show.
I just do not agree with the show being completely cancelled. San Antonio is postponed and Madison is cancelled. From what I understand they played in Madison, Milwaukee and even Green Bay last year, so why not play Milwaukee this year. I just do not get that.
if you 'discovered' tool 3 years ago, and they alledgedly played in madison, green bay, and milwaukee last year why didn't you go? i'll tell you why; it's because they played those cities in 2001-2002. btw, this is only the first leg of their North American tour. They should have at least a second leg, which is exactly how they did it on the lateralus tour.

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Jesus, here we go again. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! You think it's tough being a college student??? Give me a break. Wait'll you grow up and become an adult. You may want to shoot yourself now.
Are you still reading these posts? Odd. Your response seems juvenile to me. Perhaps I will take my own life so that I do not regress....
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Wow, some of you need to chill the hell out and actually look at the situation before you get your panties in a wad.

I know how it is to be cancelled on due to a real bullshit reason - like the prima donna shit that some bands pull. Glen Benton of Deicide is a prime example of this type of crap. He'll cancel and not even give a reason. I've been to several other concerts where this has happened - those are bands who truely don't give a shit about their fans. They'll cancel one show and the rest of the tour because of a hissy fit the vocalist or guitarist threw.

It's really hard for me to sympathize with some fans who bitch and moan about a band cancelling or post-poning a date because of a legit reason. For Maynard, it more than likely was due to a sickness based on what I've heard about San Antone's date being post-poned and what a user here said, (paraphrasing) where they had to play a 20 - 30 minute guitar solo and Maynard didn't get to sing any of the songs. That would've downright dissapointed me because, to be honest, I don't want to go to a Tool show just to hear Adam wanking on his guitar for half an hour. He's not that spectacular of a guitarist, plus if I wanted to hear wanking, I'd go see Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Rusty Cooley or whatever. I'd go to NAMM or something. I went to Tool in 2002 to see Tool, not Adam. What I got was Tool - Maynard was awesome, and so was Adam and Danny. Plus the entire visual package. If I went to see Tool this time around with Maynard sick, I would've been severely dissapointed.

Let me relay an anecdote:

My father went to see Zeppelin back in their hey day. He saw them 3 times in Houston. According to him, the first two times were simply awesome - with the entire band jamming out and having a great time. The third time was severely dissapointing, why? Because Robert Plant was sick. Don't get me wrong, seeing John Bonham and Jimmy Page rocking out would've been great, but another vital part of the band is Robert Plant - his singing, voice, his trademark strutting around the stage. That's what a Zeppelin show was supposed to be, not just Page and Bonham jamming out for two hours, which is what happened, according to my dad. Page couldn't sing but some of the lyrics and he relied on the crowd to sing for him and some other time he would just scat. My dad had some friends along with him who told me the same story and they were all dissapointed.

That's what's happening with Tool, IMO. Why the hell go to go see Carrey and Jones? It's supposed to be Tool, with Maynard included. Maynard probably realized this after said show and decided he needed to recuperate. Good! Because I'm more than sure that there was probably more than a few fans in that audience that night who felt the same way my father did when he saw Zeppelin for the final time. If an artist truely cares about their fans, they'd do anything in their power to keep tip top shape, even if that means having to postpone or even cancel a show or two. Yeah, some fans will be butt hurt but I'm pretty sure the fans at the future show will really appreciate hearing a healthy Maynard rather than having the band cancel yet another date and have even more fans be butt-hurt cause of it.

As far as them not rescheduling, that could be a host of reasons. One could be that they couldn't reserve a new date, another would be that the promoter and the management (i.e. not the band) decided that there wouldn't be enough money in it to produce the show. I think a lot of people are neglecting the fact that there is a lot of money that needs to change hands before a show even goes on - most of that money doesn't even get in the hands of the band themselves. There's the road crew, the in-house crew, city (and perhaps state) permits, catering, management, owners of the venue, so on and so forth. Tool probably had their share secured, but there wouldn't have been enough to pay everyone else if ticket sales were shoddy. Another thing to keep in mind is the quality of the promotion in that particular city - by the looks of it, they did a bad job all around from booking in an untimely manner, bad promotions, ticket sales through exclusive outlets, etc.

And in any case, it's not like Tool are going anywhere soon! This is only their first leg of the US tour, then they'll go over seas for a while. Chances are they'll come back and do two or three more legs around the country like they did with the Lateralus tour.

In conclusion, everyone just needs to chill the fuck out and stop blaming the band for everything that goes awry - especially when something happens that's way beyond their control.
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how was this way beyond their control? maynard is no more sick than he was last night in chitown... the reason they cancelled this show was due to poor ticket sales... which would have been fixed had they not announced this date halfway through the tour....
and i dont give a shit they cancelled in madison...... im just pissed cuz i woulda seen them in minneappolis had this garbage never gone down
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how was this way beyond their control? maynard is no more sick than he was last night in chitown... the reason they cancelled this show was due to poor ticket sales... which would have been fixed had they not announced this date halfway through the tour....
and i dont give a shit they cancelled in madison...... im just pissed cuz i woulda seen them in minneappolis had this garbage never gone down
And are you Maynard's personal doctor? Were you there with him on the 18th/19th? Do you know what he was sick with? Please, share with us your amazing powers of astral projection. The government has been trying to figure that shit out for half a century now.

Nonetheless, tickets sales and promotion are beyond the band's control. As I said before, there's a lot of players that go on into making a show. It's not just the band, security, fans and managers. Promotion is supposed to be guarenteed by the purchaser of said show - it's their responsibility to get the word out and get the sales up. If they can't do that within a satisfactory amount of time or to a good enough point where it'll cover at least most of the costs, then the show is cancelled, moved or post-poned.

The band themselves don't do the booking - that's management's job. Bitch at them. It could've also been the venue's fault for getting back to them so late in time.
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Amen Waco!!! It is TOOl we are talking about afterall, not some other shit band. They will be around for more shows, unless some of you are going to abandon them just because they can't do a coupla shows that is. What is it we call those kinda fans???? O yea, Shitty ones!!

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I am just mad at the randomness and bad luck of it all, and the fact there is no rescheduling. Ill go to milwaukee or green bay for a show, fuck the kohl center it sux anyway.
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Wow, some of you need to chill the hell out and actually look at the situation before you get your panties in a wad.

I know ........ I went to Tool in 2002 to see Tool, not Adam. What I got was Tool - Maynard was awesome, and so was Adam and Danny. ......

Let me relay an anecdote:

My father went to see Zeppelin ..... Because Robert Plant was sick. Don't get me wrong, seeing John Bonham and Jimmy Page rocking out would've been great, but another vital part of the band is Robert Plant - .....That's what a Zeppelin show was supposed to be, not just Page and Bonham jamming out for two hours, ........

That's what's happening with Tool, IMO. Why the hell go to go see Carrey and Jones? It's supposed to be Tool, with Maynard included. .....
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First off, I agree with most of your post, but, you do realize that there is a 4th member of Tool. His name is Justin. And Zeppelin had a 4th member too, his name was John. And I've spent a couple of Tool shows with my eyes NEVER leaving Danny.
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You do realize that there is a 4th member of Tool. His name is Justin. And Zeppelin had a 4th member too, his name was John. And I've spent a couple of Tool shows with my eyes NEVER leaving Danny.
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First off, I agree with most of your post, but, you do realize that there is a 4th member of Tool. His name is Justin. And Zeppelin had a 4th member too, his name was John. And I've spent a couple of Tool shows with my eyes NEVER leaving Danny.
Yeah, I realize that. So what? How does that detract from my point? Pretty moot to bring up.
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I was very sad to hear that they couldnt play in Madtown. I spent all of my english class looking at tour reviews from the previous night. Talking about how he was not supposed to be singing. Then during my next class I get a text from my friend saying I owe you $65. I already knew that Maynard thrashed his vocal cords. Oh well, he is only human after all.
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...never been to a tool show, they came to town during the lateralus tour, didnt go, didnt like them then, saw tickets for madison 2 weeks ago on ticket master, nearly bought tickets for minneapolis, closer, but said "obstructed view" on ticket, fuck that, bought madison tickets, left monday 10:30 pm, arrived in madison tuesday 12:02 pm, jacked around, left 6:10 pm (early) day of concert for k center, couple wrong turns, arrived at center 6:30 pm, approached entrance doors "man, looks pretty dead for a goddamn TOOL concert", noticed pink signs in the windows, indescribable feeling ran through body "the TOOL concert has been CANCELLED" spoke with random dude bummin outside "well, you probably dont want to hear this but those people in minneapolis that had the obstructed view tickets behind the stage were moved to the sky boxes", drove over 1500 miles for this concert and might as well have burned the $300+ spent, dont know what to make of it, neither angry or sad, nor indifferent or nonchalant, perplexed, yeah, puzzled...
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I too had tickets to go see Tool in Madison, and when they canceled I was devastated. I admit, it is hard not to project that anger towards Tool themselves because of the conditions surrounding the cancellationói.e. Tool played in Chicago the night before, they rescheduled the other canceled show and not Madisonís, and they are apparently playing tonight (21st). But I must try to give them the benefit of the doubt. What would help is if they would post a band letter explaining the situation in full, giving Wisconsin Tool fans a little bit of hope in seeing them again. Itís very hard to have any closure since they disseminated an ambiguous cancellation notice via radio hosts. A comprehensive explanation is all most of us want, and it would dispel all of the rumors and speculation floating around. Please come back to Wisconsin Tool. Maybe try playing in Milwaukee next time, more people will come.
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I too had tickets to go see Tool in Madison, and when they canceled I was devastated. I admit, it is hard not to project that anger towards Tool themselves because of the conditions surrounding the cancellationói.e. Tool played in Chicago the night before, they rescheduled the other canceled show and not Madisonís, and they are apparently playing tonight (21st). But I must try to give them the benefit of the doubt. What would help is if they would post a band letter explaining the situation in full, giving Wisconsin Tool fans a little bit of hope in seeing them again. Itís very hard to have any closure since they disseminated an ambiguous cancellation notice via radio hosts. A comprehensive explanation is all most of us want, and it would dispel all of the rumors and speculation floating around. Please come back to Wisconsin Tool. Maybe try playing in Milwaukee next time, more people will come.
I have to agree. A letter explaining the situation would be nice, and would end the speculation as to whether or not the lack of rescheduling was due to poor ticket sales, or other aspects outside of their control.

I also agree that Tool should make a tour stop in Milwaukee. Better venues, less hippies. Closer to Chicago.
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Does anyone here near Brookfield would be able to drive me to and from the concert? (PM me if it would be possible)
Wow, I grew up in Brookfield and now live in CA. How is the neighborhood???
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Does anyone here near Brookfield would be able to drive me to and from the concert? (PM me if it would be possible)
I'm from Brookfield and live in Milwaukee.... unfortunately, I wouldn't have been able to give you ride anyways.
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Yeah, it should have been milwaukee. The kohl center is good for college games only anyway. I know they arent done in the us, and will be back next year but OMFG I couldnt have put anymore expectation into this happening. The only reason i could get thru classes and all of life's other shit was in anticipation of going to the concert. The morning of I heard it on the radio and I thought they were joking, then i heard pieces of "maynard sick" etc so I checked online. Then i saw the bad news. I feel bad for everyone that went and you have all the right to complain. To cancel the day of is so unprofessional and If i were in such a huge band they would be telling all ticket sellers and promoters at least 24 hours before the show itself. Ill go to the show, but just reschedule or come back to wisconsin please tool!! Ill even promise to get better tickets next time. I had section 127, good but could have done better. Please!@!@!
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Originally posted by peripheral:
"if you 'discovered' tool 3 years ago, and they alledgedly played in madison, green bay, and milwaukee last year why didn't you go? i'll tell you why; it's because they played those cities in 2001-2002. btw, this is only the first leg of their North American tour. They should have at least a second leg, which is exactly how they did it on the lateralus tour.

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By last year I meant last tour, you anal prick. But thanks for stating the obvious anyways. Knowledge is power my ass.
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