actaully it was quite subtle, and at a quick glance it might not be noticed. I started a sentence with "And". you cant start a sentence with "AND"

there we go

Actually, you can, it's just hard to do it right, so nobody does. That is not actually a rule, just a rccomendation. IF you start a sentence with "and," you only have to justify your hanging prepositional phrase at the end. It ussually ends up sounding awkward, hence the "rule/suggestion." However, if you can write a grammatically correct sentence beginning with "and" that doesn't trip people up when they try to read it, then I offer you my Kudos.

God I'm a dork.

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Thankyouthankyouthankyou...

I was just about to jump in with what I *KNOW* the lyrics to be. Then you reminded me how much fun it is to listen over and over and hear different things. I think that the lyrics to 'Rosetta Stoned' will change in my ears each time I listen, barring a Maynard-authored lyric sheet. And even that won't be enough to silence the debate here. Nor should it be. Each individual's lyric-retrieval experience is different. Most importantly, it's based on what one WANTS to hear in the lyrics. Legions/leeches? Who cares. Strip to your BVDs, turn it up to eleven, and rock out with the lights on. Damn the neighbors.


Oh, and it's 'then RIGHT might as well be wrong.'

Dumbass, can't you tell those words sound so DIFFERENT???

Sure you can. Your third-grade teacher told you that to save the explanation of why. Forgive me for being unable to pick this out as the intentional mistake, what with the maze of spelling errors and missing punctuation.

I clearly hear the "wr" in write, which is absent in right!

I can't believe you guys missed that, it's so freakin' obvious.....

and Maynard is my neighbor, and behold he told me, so dont you dare claim that I am insane.

and maynard explanation was that if he forgets to dot his I's than everyone will think he is dumb, and before he counts to three everyone will claim it asinine.

Therefore, what he "writes" will be "wrong".
DUH!

I believe at the end he is saying the following:


"Silently, just save your PREACHIN'.
Silently, just stay out of my way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


That's just naturally how it sounds to me without question. I think that it's just distortion from everything that is going on in the song all at once at that point that is skewing the clarity of what he is saying, but I'm perplexed as to where so many people are hearing "legions", "leeches", and "poison".

But, out of all of those together, I could swear he is not saying "poison".. I only hear "PREACHIN'" and that definitley fits in with the religious tone of most of the lyrics as well.


I noticed that a few other people are hearing the same thing in the posts below:
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=990882&postcount=42
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=198
http://toolnavy.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=241

Here is what I hear:

Here from the king's mountain view
Here from the wild dream come true
Feast like a sultan, I do
On treasures and flesh never few

But I
I would
wish it all away
If I thought I'd
lose you
just one day

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I'd found
Dabblin' all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

But you changed that all for me
Lifted me up
turned me round

So I...
I...
I...
I...
I would wish this all away

Pray like a martyr dusk to dawn
Beg like a hooker all night long
Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
I would
If I could
I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
wanna wish it all away
no prize here could
hold sway
or justify
my giving
away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away
If I thought tomorrow,
they'd take you away

You're my piece of mind
my all
I said I'm just trying to hold on
One more day

Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
Damn my eyes
if they should compromise
a fulcrum
wants and needs divide me
then I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun (Son?)
Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent sun (Son?)
Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided and withering away
Divided and withering away
Shine down upon the many
light our way, Benevolent sun (Son?)

Breathe in union x5

So, as one, survive
Another day in season
Silence, Legion, save your poison
Silence, Legion, stay out of my way

What I hear, anyway.

To clarify, the "Slience, Legion" and "Benevolent Son" I am not stuck on. They seem to fit some of the general undertones in the song.

They also seem to be "tooling" with us around the "So, as one, survive" area of the song a la Sober (Turn that shit down!) and Opiate (the phone ring). Definitely a muffled voice. Was listening really hard to the lyrics and was turning to look at my wife for saying something and she is fast asleep.

Damnit, Maynard. All you have to say is, "Mekka Lekka Hi, Mekka Chonny Ho," and your wish WILL be granted. ;)

Long time lurker, decided to make an account simply for this reply.
I think the "damn/dim my eyes if they should.." part is another example of Maynard intending a word to be there, but it isn't spoken. The example that jumps out to me is in The Grudge's lyric.

"Wear The Grudge like a crown (of) negativity" No matter how loud you want to play this song, you will not hear the 'Of', but it's implied that it's there.

Again, i believe this could be another example of this.

"Damn my eyes if they should compromise our fulcrum. (If) Wants and needs divide me, I might as well be gone" Which makes sense, in theory. But in theory, a lot of these lyrics work. Thoughts on this, anyone?

I did notice a few people have "wants and needs divine me, I might as well be gone", but i havent seen anyone throw an "If" in there. If it has been said, I apologize.

I have a friend that thought that "a stranger shooting hoops" really got Bobby Brown down in his epic classic My Prerogative. Also, that "eagle chips" were not his thing. Just sayin.

i have wanted to say that for a while actually, but a certain user put me off posting for a while as he woldnt allw me to make my point and instead got stuck on one small issue.


not sure about that of not being in the grudge tho, but i guess ur probably right.

I hvae no tmie to crroect my spllineg as i am a vrey bsuy mna.

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Ok, I used audacity, sound forge and other programs and eq's to try and hear this part better and well I'm not going to explain it all again here, so here's my results: http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t...t=46014&page=3

but the bottom line is, I hear no "Da" sound at all nor the "J" sound in the first verse of "Dim my eyes" at all. I do hear for just a brief second on the second verse the "j" but then it's clearly the "im" sound after it and I've only heard this once and it was at the texas show.

As I've said before, I think everyone is trying too hard to make a connection with the title of the song since it's pretty much the only place in the song that even remotely sounds like it could be related Jambi in some form, but the truth is and imho, it's just not there and we have no idea why nard named the song Jambi.

good post sunburn

Two points,

1, Jambi is pronounced as in "jom-be". The connection between title and lyrics is in the meaning, I'd say in the subjective meaning of the lyrics.
Personally, I think there are two aspects,
- the song is all about wishing and wishes. Ginies make wishes come true and Jambi was a ginie that granted Peewee's wishes. To my mind that's the bridge.
- someone posted somewhere that Jambi could also have been a pet name. It could have easily gone from James to Jimmy to Jimbo to Jambi.
Anyway, it's purely personal. For some it will be about the union of man and woman, for some it will be about one's relationship with God, for others this is about two aspects of a single person's personality coexisting and for others yet this is about the severed connection to one's earlier self.
Point is, it's up to you, in you the lyrics take on a new and personal dimension.
2. It's "Dim my eyes" 3x

I really think that there is something to be said for the parallel nature of these lyrics to that of the history of the Indonesian province of Jambi. The division in two of the territory between the Dutch and the SULTAN, named Taha. The Sultan had been driven out by the Dutch, and he fled accross the river to the upper kingdom. From here the Sultan ruled only half of his divided empire, thus feasting like a sultan from his king's mountain view, while lamenting that divided, he's withering away. I do not suggest that this is the only angle that these lyrics suggest. In fact, I find it to be damned improbable if not entirely impossible that Maynard would write lyrics that accurately parallel an epic historical incident (such as the colonial subjugation of a spiritual, island people)- while at the same time using Jambi as an improbable homphone indicating the Pee-Wee Genie- without meaning to do so. The key word here, in my estimation, is duplicity. Given Tool's pencahnt for the psychedelic (y'know, like, drugs; see Third Eye), drawing connections between many diverse elements (historical and solemn elements like Provincial Jambi, trivial and almost mundane elements like Jambi the TV genie, personal and spiritual elements like the relationship between son and mother, father and son, man and god . . .) and uniting them into a central theme- in which one element can be played off of any other element with varying degrees of insight- is quite plausible.

Side thought:
Does anybody know why Paul Reubens chose the name Jambi for his genie? Or is it too much of a stretch to think that Pee-Wee could be that deep?

Has anyone posted this yet...God, I'd be surprised if not.

"Shine down forever, shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the broken, shine until the two become one
Shine on forever, shine on benevolent sun
Shine down upon the SEVERED until the two become one
Divide HEAVEN, wither it away, divide HELL wither it away
Shine down upon the many, light our way, benevolent sun"

There seems to be a dichotomy that he's making mention of. It's like there's a broken unity that is coming back together...thus the discussion of Heaven and Hell being dissolved. The use of "divided" and "severed" only reinforces this...

Any thoughts?

You're a disgusting human being. Perhaps you should try stepping into a person's shoes and walking around in them a bit before you judge them. Just because a person's opinion differs from yours doesn't mean it's wrong.

There's nothing wrong with her being more offended by Rosetta Stoned, as the song is way more upfront than Prison Sex. The lyrics are RIGHT there, and the mental image is equally disturbing. Sorry to derail.

Last couple of lines sound like:
"Silent legion, save your precious silence.
You just stay out of my way."

You also spelled "unintentional" wrong. Don't listen too much to Tool.

And it's spelled syllable.

And the word "And" is beginning to be accepted at the beginning of a sentence, just like prepositions are beginning to be accepted at the end of a sentence (only in informal writing though).

And you spelled "Christ" wrong, it's "joining," and it's "grammatical." Do I win?

he spilte u rong all, so....I meen alsoe

and forgat in ap ostroe fee an tha world Koudint.

duh ga I is teridble and kneedz Houlkd on Fawn Icks

is that you? irish are you that fruity haired hot topic child i was talking about? the one talking all the stupid nonsincical shit about my favorite band and in the same sentance telling me how you ended up with a ticket to see the show? even tho there are so many other ppl who loved the album, belived it was real and didnt get to go,if it is i want to know what the hell did you even get one for?

disgusting human being huh? ya i geuss, like most. whatever.

rosetta stoned is NOT an offensive song AT ALL... now maybe she didnt try to figure out what the other lyrics in the song were saying and just going on that one line decided it must be about somthing she would find offensive. thats still pretty dumb, now, thats only my opinion see im not saying she cant have one im just saying that if thats hers, then mine is that she is being a dumb ass.

if you and she arent the same person then another opinion i have is that your being a dumb ass. to say that the mental image of rossetta stoned is on an equal level or (as)"equally disturbing" with/as prison sex or 4 degree's is rediculase. they arent talking about even close to the same thing.

well, thats enough explaination for you. its all you'll get even if it isnt.

if you want to quote me please do it fully next time dont just throw in the pieces you feel like useing.

ok irish sorry for the rerail but this thread is about lyrics, for JAMBI. if you really want to talk about this more you should find the right place to put it and if you make any good argument, i might reply.

mandy

not bad. it's possible.

Still haven't heard any thoughts on...

Divide HEAVEN, wither it away
Divide HELL, wither it away

Sorry just not feeling that, its a nice idea, i jsut dont think it fits. its almost like you've shoehorned Heaven and hell in there. No offence mean t by the way, not a falme just replying to your post

pretty sure its devided im witherin away

"But I
I would
wish it all away
If I thought I'd
lose you
just one day"

I am 100% sure it IS

"Would I
I would
wish it all away
If I thought I'd
lose you
just one day"

Go listen it is a clear.

either that or divide and i wither away, either way its not heaven/hell

yep.

Yeah you win, the actual grammatical error was that I said there was only one mistake. Not so much grammatical as an out right lie.

Oh, and congratulations on you're astute work and for being sad enough to pick all the holes in an inconsequential piece of writing which was otherwise un-related to the thread

Thanks, dude.

And in any case I meant to include a part that was relevant to this (and I was listening to the song to see if the suggestion made sense in context while I picked that stuff out, which was a joke that you apparently didn't get...)

Why do so many people think it's son? That makes no sense. I really think that the "sun" is a metaphor to the source of enlightenment about which the speaker is speaking. Either the source of enlightenment, or whatever is keeping him ignorant.

dunno if anyone else has said this but i hear "Jambi eyes" (pronounced jam-bye eyes)

Are you taking the piss?

I hear the s at the end of Damn my eyes, and Jambize/Jambi eyes, but the last one I can hear no s at the end ... it sounds like Dim my eye, as in his third eye.

the 1st and 3rd could be damn or dim but i still hear jambi on the second

I posted this on another thread (http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=48045), but felt it should be placed here as well:

Thanx for the help. After a few of your posts, I began to realize that "silently" didn't fit the context. I was under the impression that Maynard was telling the benevolent son/sun to "save his poison/get out of his way". "Silent legion" or "Silence leeches" seemed to fit better.

When I listen to the song, I just don't hear "leeches". So I initially went with "legion" and did a bit of research. I found this transcription of a sermon on the internet:

http://www.calvincrc.org/sermons/2005/mark5.html

In summary:

I found that Legion was a name of a group of demons who possessed a man and terrorized the locals of Gerasenes in Jesus' time (and makes "appearences" in several Steven King novels, The Catcher in the Rye, The Exorcist, and The Exorcism of Emily Rose). Legion was known for general mischief and speaking incoherently...

The devil and his had me down
In love with the dark side I've found
Babblin'(?) all the way down
Up to my neck soon to drown

When Jesus came to town, he confronted Legion. However, since Legion was a group of demons, they held a few trump cards, so Jesus had to promise not to torture or banish them from the area. So Jesus remained silent, while Legion babbled on trying to find a solution. Finally, Legion decided to divide and possess a group of pigs instead of the man they inhabited. The pigs, once possessed, jumped off the nearest cliff...

Shout to the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

However, instead of praise or thankfullness, the townspeople banished Jesus. They were afraid of having God so close to them. If Jesus could banish demons, he could easily expose all of THEIR sinful affairs. Once their problem was solved, they turned their back on Him.

Quoting from further-on in the sermon: "In theology there is a traditional Latin phrase amor morits, which means to be in love with death. The progress of corruption in human history has gotten to the point where people actually feel grimly intrigued by sin and evil."... which sounds familiar. "It seems as though we like the work of God in some areas of life but become afraid in case we sense that this same work could upset our own status quo."

So, short story long, I'm going with this version of the lyrics (for now):

Silence Legion, save your poison
Silently just stay out of my way