if you had to pick 2 songs to hear from each album, what would they be?
Opiate: Jerk Off & Opiate
Undertow: 4 Degrees & Intolerence
Aenima: Hooker with a Penis & Third Eye
Salival: Push It & No Quarter
Lateralus: The Grudge & The Patient
10,000 Days: Rosetta Stoned & Right in Two
Since we are wishing here:
Encore: Prison Sex, The Pot, & Eulogy
Well, since this is a 10,000 Days tour you can pretty well bet that they'll be playing 10,000 Days songs.
I just don't get the knocks this album has taken. It's a fantastic work, as good as anything TOOL has done. I know we all fell head over heels for Aenima and that Lateralus is considered their "masterpiece" to date ... but 10K days carries its own weight quite well, ***.
Well, since this is a 10,000 Days tour you can pretty well bet that they'll be playing 10,000 Days songs.
I just don't get the knocks this album has taken. It's a fantastic work, as good as anything TOOL has done. I know we all fell head over heels for Aenima and that Lateralus is considered their "masterpiece" to date ... but 10K days carries its own weight quite well, ***.
I agree, although Aenima is hard to beat 10k is pretty damn good. I think the problem is everyone compares Tool albums to other Tool albums, but if you look at everything else out there Tool is still in a class that not many can match.
Opiate: Opiate, Jerk-off
Undertow: Bottom, Swamp Song
AEnima: AEnema, 46&2
Lateralus: Lateralus, The Grudge
10,000 Days: The Pot, Jambi
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Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
Prison Sex
Eulogy
The Grudge
46 and 2
Jambi
Dispostion
Reflection
Right in Two
Intolerance
Strinkfist
Schism
The Pot
Sober
Jimmy
Pushit
The Patient
H
10,000 Days
Parabola
Vicarious
Opiate
Lateralus
Ænima
Demanding? This is my dream list, not my 10,000 Days ideal setlist.
Stinkfist
Cold & Ugly
Swamp Song
Jambi
Schism
Right In Two
Opiate
Wings for Marie
10,000 Days
Lateralus
Vicarious
Ænema
Cold & Ugly is really the only obstacle but why not? They played it in 2002. I know there is a lot of other material I'd rather hear but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
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Stinkfist
Cold & Ugly
Swamp Song
Jambi
Schism
Right In Two
Opiate
Wings for Marie
10,000 Days
Lateralus
Vicarious
Ænema
Cold & Ugly is really the only obstacle but why not? They played it in 2002. I know there is a lot of other material I'd rather hear but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
Nothing wrong with that set. I'd be glad to hear it. Still think they do something besides Ænema though.
Stinkfist
Cold & Ugly
Swamp Song
Jambi
Schism
Right In Two
Opiate
Wings for Marie
10,000 Days
Lateralus
Vicarious
Ænema
Cold & Ugly is really the only obstacle but why not? They played it in 2002. I know there is a lot of other material I'd rather hear but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
Cold and Ugly is a wicked stretch. I'd geek if it happens. Last 5 songs are a lock, unless the break made em go in another direction? nothing off undertow? Not my dream list, but to each his own. Not much longer, alburquerque in 25 days. Obviously Rosetta stoned would go a long way as well.
Cold and Ugly is a wicked stretch. I'd geek if it happens. Last 5 songs are a lock, unless the break made em go in another direction? nothing off undertow? Not my dream list, but to each his own. Not much longer, alburquerque in 25 days. Obviously Rosetta stoned would go a long way as well.
I got Swamp Song off of Undertow on there, more so because they've played that song already, I'd actually prefer Intolerance but again, don't wanna get my hopes up.
I saw Rosetta Stoned live in Chicago last year, to me it is better on the album. It has a lot of energy but it is too long and very repetitious. Plus Maynard always rushes the first two verses and either fucks up the lyrics or finishes out of time with the song. And I'd think they may not play Rosetta Stoned for a little while as 12 minutes of polyrhythms might be too much of a strain on Danny.
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I got Swamp Song off of Undertow on there, more so because they've played that song already, I'd actually prefer Intolerance but again, don't wanna get my hopes up.
word, my bad. looking at another post. intolerance, 4 degrees, bottom , flood is my preference off the album. It is curious to me why they have been opting for swamp song. I dig it. it si just curious.
word, my bad. looking at another post. intolerance, 4 degrees, bottom , flood is my preference off the album. It is curious to me why they have been opting for swamp song. I dig it. it si just curious.
Well, songs like Right In Two and Vicarious have this air of frustration and disapointment from the band. With Lateralus they had a more positive outlook for humanity but now they seem frustrated that we haven't changed so maybe the "my warning meant nothing" ties in with the scope of the album.
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Well, songs like Right In Two and Vicarious have this air of frustration and disapointment from the band. With Lateralus they had a more positive outlook for humanity but now they seem frustrated that we haven't changed so maybe the "my warning meant nothing" ties in with the scope of the album.
suppose you're on to something, well then bring on cold and ugly- it'll dominate. probably will be able to crack the code after the nevada shows, but the speculation ...
suppose you're on to something, well then bring on cold and ugly- it'll dominate. probably will be able to crack the code after the nevada shows, but the speculation ...
haha, yeah I know...the suspence. I actually kinda hate being in Chicago because we always get the middle of a leg of the tour so I'll know what setlist I'm getting before I go to the show. Las Vegas and San Diego got it good. What's your preferences off of Ænima? After Third Eye of course.
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haha, yeah I know...the suspence. I actually kinda hate being in Chicago because we always get the middle of a leg of the tour so I'll know what setlist I'm getting before I go to the show. Las Vegas and San Diego got it good. What's your preferences off of Ænima? After Third Eye of course.
Third Eye would be great. But honestly, if I could pick just one- Jimmy.
suppose you're on to something, well then bring on cold and ugly- it'll dominate. probably will be able to crack the code after the nevada shows, but the speculation ...
i just cant see cold and ugly happening, i know it did in 02, but even then its like his voice is on the edge of cracking, its not even really a yell either anymore, it kind loses its edginess
i could honestly do without ever hearing the following songs again....
Aenema - its played too often. I get sick of hearing it. Its a good song, but they closed every concert last tour with it.
LK/Rosetta Stoned - I agree with a previous post, it does not sound that great live in my opinion. Its just so long, and I think its a bit out of place.
Sober - should be (and I think it is) retired.
Schism - the extended bit was a nice touch, but I think we can retire it too.
And to be honest, I don't need to see the Wings duo again, I think once was enough. Jambi fuckin owns though.
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Sober - should be (and I think it is) retired.
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They most recently played it in Kawasaki, Japan in February.
It also got played a few times in Australia / New Zealand in January.
Not quite retired, but only showing up once in awhile.
Sober - should be (and I think it is) retired.
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They most recently played it in Kawasaki, Japan in February.
It also got played a few times in Australia / New Zealand in January.
Not quite retired, but only showing up once in awhile.
Sober is never going to be completely "retired", neither will Stinkfist or Schism. And for that matter who knows about Swamp Song nowadays. God, all these songs that start with "S".
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i could honestly do without ever hearing the following songs again....
Aenema - its played too often. I get sick of hearing it. Its a good song, but they closed every concert last tour with it.
LK/Rosetta Stoned - I agree with a previous post, it does not sound that great live in my opinion. Its just so long, and I think its a bit out of place.
Sober - should be (and I think it is) retired.
Schism - the extended bit was a nice touch, but I think we can retire it too.
And to be honest, I don't need to see the Wings duo again, I think once was enough. Jambi fuckin owns though.
I can't tell you how much I disagree with your opinion about Wings 1&2. I don't think I will be able to contain my disappointment if they don't keep doing that one. It's magic live and certainly better for me than on the record.
I can understand the sentiment on Rosetta Stoned live, especially if you really like the album version. I like the life it takes live but it's probably an aquired taste.
The other ones you mention are all great songs. Dunno about retiring them but I could easily see doing The Grudge, Pushit, Jimmy, or Parabola in their place. I'm also expecting the full version of Intension this leg of the tour.
Its not that I don't LIKE the Wings duo. It was truly amazing in Kansas City, it was very special - it was a highlight of the night and when compared to what I saw in Wichita with them doing the Resolution trio, I was in awe. Wings was amazing live.
That being said, I think the only reason I don't NEED to see it again is because when they did play it, it was certainly trying on them. It was nice because it was a total change of pace. The songs leading up to it were the typical ones, and then all of the sudden they do three masterpieces back to back (Rosetta, Wings, Lateralus). But for some reason, when I hear a personal song like that, I feel awkward. And it urked me that people were singing along to it.
I'd much rather see Pushit live. But that's just me. And if I were to rank my favorite songs from 10,000 Days, Jambi would be #1 and 10,000 Days would be #2, its not that I don't like the songs, I just feel awkward hearing them live despite it being an amazing experience. Plus people were fuckin moshing. moshing = gay.
i hope we do see Intension. That would rock.
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Its not that I don't LIKE the Wings duo. It was truly amazing in Kansas City, it was very special - it was a highlight of the night and when compared to what I saw in Wichita with them doing the Resolution trio, I was in awe. Wings was amazing live.
That being said, I think the only reason I don't NEED to see it again is because when they did play it, it was certainly trying on them. It was nice because it was a total change of pace. The songs leading up to it were the typical ones, and then all of the sudden they do three masterpieces back to back (Rosetta, Wings, Lateralus). But for some reason, when I hear a personal song like that, I feel awkward. And it urked me that people were singing along to it.
I'd much rather see Pushit live. But that's just me. And if I were to rank my favorite songs from 10,000 Days, Jambi would be #1 and 10,000 Days would be #2, its not that I don't like the songs, I just feel awkward hearing them live despite it being an amazing experience. Plus people were fuckin moshing. moshing = gay.
i hope we do see Intension. That would rock.
I think maybe the problem at these arena shows is you are no longer dealing with Tool the 'band' but Tool the 'brand'. A pretty good chunk of people at these arena shows are not there for the music, they are there because of the name 'Tool'. They've seen the bumper stickers and t shirts. They've heard some stories. They've heard that Tool is 'hardcore, man!' Those are the people you see moshing.
And top that off with a pretty good chunk of people who've just been brought along for the ride at these arena shows and you are facing a decent sized audience who just aren't going to appreciate any one song over another. That is the dilemma for any big act. You reach a point where you can't really make any one group of fans happy, so you just play for yourselves. At least that's what I would like to think Tool is doing.
I think that's why it took so long for them to play Wings 1&2, because they knew some idiot would leap into the crowd like it's just another song and time to mosh again! ... ok, to be fair, I did not see anyone moshing during those songs, just a lot of people looking confused because they suddenly realized that moshing and crashing into people might be inappropriate during this one.
As frustrating as it is for you, it's probably way worse for the band. But then, once the show is over, they count the money, get on the bus, and go onto the next one. I just hope they don't lose the passion for it because you can see how that might happen, eh?
/rant off
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and thats why I'm thinking Wings might be done. because of the morons out there. Lets agree that Tool is not exactly accessible to a lot of people. Their songs are heavily edited, and while The Pot reached "no 1 on Mainstream Rock Billboard" barely anyone knows it. And when I see them in 4 weeks in Wichita, and lets say the do bust out Wings, the stupid Kansas crowd will be like "WTF?" and it urks me. They were like that with Resolution back in 2002.
I think the passion to perform it will dissipate, and I think you're right, that's why they waited so long. They wanted to have it perfected, and I think more than anything they played it for the fans like us, who wanted to hear it live. I think they'll do away with it this time around because of the reasons you listed. It sucks, but it may very well be the case.
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and thats why I'm thinking Wings might be done. because of the morons out there. Lets agree that Tool is not exactly accessible to a lot of people. Their songs are heavily edited, and while The Pot reached "no 1 on Mainstream Rock Billboard" barely anyone knows it. And when I see them in 4 weeks in Wichita, and lets say the do bust out Wings, the stupid Kansas crowd will be like "WTF?" and it urks me. They were like that with Resolution back in 2002.
I think the passion to perform it will dissipate, and I think you're right, that's why they waited so long. They wanted to have it perfected, and I think more than anything they played it for the fans like us, who wanted to hear it live. I think they'll do away with it this time around because of the reasons you listed. It sucks, but it may very well be the case.
hmmm, I definitely see your point about Wings 1+2 but I really don't think they'll do away with it. The Disposition/Reflection duo was played at every arena show in '01 and '02 despite the ignorant retards that tried moshing to it and despite all of the other idiots that talked through the whole song like they thought it was an intermission. Maybe there will be some shows where they don't play it but I wouldn't think they'd go a whole leg of a tour without playing it. I would miss it if they did but maybe then they'd have time for other songs such as Pushit as someone mentioned. Though the bottom line is: this is the 10,000 Days tour so I really think they'll continue to play it.
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hmmm, I definitely see your point about Wings 1+2 but I really don't think they'll do away with it. The Disposition/Reflection duo was played at every arena show in '01 and '02 despite the ignorant retards that tried moshing to it and despite all of the other idiots that talked through the whole song like they thought it was an intermission. Maybe there will be some shows where they don't play it but I wouldn't think they'd go a whole leg of a tour without playing it. I would miss it if they did but maybe then they'd have time for other songs such as Pushit as someone mentioned. Though the bottom line is: this is the 10,000 Days tour so I really think they'll continue to play it.
I would tend to agree with this. It ties into what I am saying about the band playing for themselves. I'll even take it a bit further and say that Maynard and Adam seem pretty deterimined to get people to think, and Wings 1&2 certainly accomplishes that, even if the only thought some of the meatheads are having during its peformance are along the lines of "Maybe I should go get a beer during this slow song". :)
I would tend to agree with this. It ties into what I am saying about the band playing for themselves. I'll even take it a bit further and say that Maynard and Adam seem pretty deterimined to get people to think, and Wings 1&2 certainly accomplishes that, even if the only thought some of the meatheads are having during its peformance are along the lines of "Maybe I should go get a beer during this slow song". :)
Yeah, plus they haven't played in the southest US yet so I'm sure they'll want to give them the opportunity to experience these songs as well. Given the fact that Danny may not be 100% yet I would think that would be another reason to play Wings 1+2 because with the exception of some parts of "10,000 Days" the drumming isn't too intense. I'm thinking they may cut Rosetta Stoned for this leg of the tour and we may get the full Intension-Right In Two package.
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^ I would be happy with the Intension/Right in Two package.
you made some valid points, it is afterall the 10,000 Days tour, like you said. That said, I'm not going to be disappointed in the least if I get to hear Wings again ;)
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Apparently, they soundchecked Pushit on a previous leg of the tour.
Anyway, here's my DREAM setlist.
Lost Keys (Blame Hoffman)
Rosetta Stoned
Intolerance
Jambi
Pushit
Undertow
Intension
Reflection
Lateralus
Viginti Tres
Aenema
Flood
Wings For Marie (Pt 1)
10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2)
Right In Two
Triad
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
Prison Sex
Eulogy
The Grudge
46 and 2
Jambi
Dispostion
Reflection
Right in Two
Intolerance
Strinkfist
Schism
The Pot
Sober
Jimmy
Pushit
The Patient
H
10,000 Days
Parabola
Vicarious
Opiate
Lateralus
Ænima
Demanding? This is my dream list, not my 10,000 Days ideal setlist.
Great set list, this, tedium.
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That would make my ultimate song to hear. After all these years is to have them go into Pushit, in a way much like the Salival version but with the newer twist. Wow.
As has already been said a few times around here, Pushit was overheard during several sound checks on the first leg of the tour (as was Jimmy). Dunno if they'll do it, but at least they are playing it so there's a decent chance.
Basically to get the lateralus tour magic back into the set, all they need to do is open with 'the grudge' and play disposition/reflection at some point late in the set. Drop jambi and rosetta stoned, play right in two, wings and vicarious form the new album...keep lateralus, maybe drop schism...keep stinkfist & aenima, maybe play eulogy or third eye instead of 46&2....from undertow play flood instead of sober...
which would give :
the grudge
stinkfist
eulogy
flood
vicarious
wings 1&2
third eye
disposition/reflection
right in two
lateralus
aenima