I just Heard 10,000 days in surround sound. Holy Shit, it's finally giving Lateralus a run for its money. It was almost as if I played a CD I had not heard before. Damn iPod and factory car stereo do not do it justice.

People are going to call you a dumbass because the CD was made in stereo so therefore anything your surround sound system does "isn't how it was meant to be heard."

I say, fuck it, if you like how it sounds, good.

ok, it still sounds better to me.

Listening to it in surround may not be what the cd was designed for, but it most certainly does open up new sounds and complexities that are very difficult to detect with stereo sound. I tried it on Wings/10000 Days and it was fascinating. The vocals are tossed in the centre channel and are more easily heard. There were some lovely harmonies I had not heard before, especially on the "High is the way..." section. Drums are also far clearer.

I definitely try to listen to any new album in as many different ways as possible to fully grasp all their complexities (High-end stereo, shitty boom box, headphones, computer speakers, surround sound, low volume, listening in a different room from where it's playing, etc...).

my girlfriends never had an orgasm

How long have you been with your girlfriend for?

By the way, I just played The Pot, 10,000 Days and Right In Two at extremely high volume on my stereo and they were absolutely brilliant! The base just pumps throughout the entire place and Danny's bits and pieces here and there sound so good. The vocals and guitar kick arse too - I haven't had too many opportunities to play this new album extremely loud so far (neighbours, housemates, people in general being nearby etc.) but I really think loud is the way to go...

I'd love to hear what the album sounds like in surround sound. Should be good I'd imagine...

God I want to see the band play live again! My eardrums need another marathon workout like they got back in 2002...

if I was in a band I think I might make a nice 5.1 dvd of every cd I made instead of crying about downloading and shit. that newest nin was really improved by the 5.1.

I'd like to hear some crying about those rip off dvds being downloaded. no one should feel bad about that shit for 5 minutes

yeh seriously, i listened to the album at night with all the lights off and blasting in 5.1 surround.

if this isn't how they intended the cd to be played, i'd like to see how they intended...

Well, I only said that because you can't get true surround out of two channels.

Pro Logic II FTW!

People that play stereo music thru 5.1 channel need to be put down. Seriously. Ever heard of a sound stage? Ever heard of a band that 'surrounds' its audience? Completely retarded, and sounds like crap too.

you've never used Pro Logic II, have you? it's not the definitive way to listen to music, but it is pretty fun for shits and giggles, it creates some very cool effects. PL1 is absolutely horrible, but PLII is a huge improvement...it kicks the crap out of any software upmuxing ever (like creative's horrible CMSS, among other things)

I just keep thinking that if Tool wanted you to listen to it in Surround, they would have released it in surround on like DVD-audio or something. The capability is certainly there for peopel who can enjoy it.

i bet you they're working on it, somehow somewhere

i would love a dual disc 10,000 Days, like Downward Spiral status...here's hoping

Wow, the album does sound very cool in Pro Logic II. I agree it's not what the artist intended, and stereo is definitely the definitive way to hear the album, but if you're trying to hear the vocals, this definitely does clear them up. And for some reason danny's drums seem to roll around to the rear channels at just the right time. One of the better pro logic II experiences I've had.

How much does it cost?

not to be an ahole , but Pink Floyd on the PULSE tour had live concert surround sound and it was fucking amazing! There were speakers in front and in the back of the venue. If Tool ever did this it would be a nuts. So yes I have heard of a band that 'surrounds' its audience....

sounds like work

well, it's not so much a separate thing is that it's a feature of amps/receivers... just check out most amps for surround sound, they should have PLII (watch out for just Pro Logic....it sucks...#2 is where it's at).

i dunno, just head down to your local electronics store (Fry's, Best Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, whatever) and check out the surround systems.

newer 7.1 receivers even have Pro Logic IIx, which upmuxes stereo streams into 7.1. i've never heard that, but i cant imagine it really being that much more exciting.

additionally, some computer speakers by Logitech have Pro Logic II, the Z-680, Z-5500 and Z-5450 have the ability to do PLII, i believe. however, there are different types of PLII (movie, music, and game) which utilize different mixing matrices; i dont think that those Logitech speakers let you pick which one you want.

yeah, those are the basics i guess

I'll listen to 5.1 surround sound when I have 5.1 ears ;)

Seriously though, it'd be pretty cool to listen to this in surround, just to see how it works. But for now i'm more than happy with my closed back Seinheiser headphones.... wow.

find a friend with 5.1 and check it out! it's fun.

by the way, to the people who said that the album cannot be intended to be in 5.1....that's actually incorrect. it IS possible, yet highly unlikely.

Pro Logic II uses a matrix to seperate channels. it can do it from any stereo audio source, it just uses a set matrix.

however, there are plenty of videogames that specifically say DOLBY PROLOGIC II on them (a lot of Gamecube and PS2 games). basically, these games contain "flags" in the stereo audio. basically, in a stereo source, the center channel is created out of the similarities between the L and R channels. there are certain "flags" (i dont know a better way to describe it, sorry) that are able to seperate the front and rear sounds from each L and R channel. so it's not true discrete 5.1 sound, but yes, it can create somewhat of a "real" surround sound.

so could Tool have done that with 10,000 Days? implemented certain flags? it's very possible---check out the threads with people saying the guitar appears on each side, not in the very center. it's possible that the way they mixed it is conducive to being upmuxed by Pro Logic II...

but is that a logical thing for them to do when they could actually release a 5.1 mix (dual disc for example)? is it likely that they actually did that? do i think they did that? no, not at all.

No one has listened to the album in 5.1 surround sound.

So true, it does.

Um...playstation 2 and gamecube (and Xbox, xbox 360, fuck, even dreamcast) used DVD discs...thats why they are encoded for Pro Logic II...something that cannot be done with a standard audio DVD.

I listen to all my music on 5.1 PLII...When i switch to stereo it sounds so flat and boring....

Sounds good on my pc with 5.1.................

ProLogic II isn't something an audio signal is encoded for, it's a way that a receiver can decode the same audio file and seperate the sound into 5.1 distinct channels of sound. You can use ProLogic on a TV audio signal if you want. I think hushypushy was talking about engineering the sound in games in a way that the end result from the ProLogic decoding is completely intentional, as opposed to the absolutely shitty sound you typically get from using ProLogic II on a stereo source - especially music.

It's not possible for a CD to be recorded in 5.1, that's not part of the format.

you are completely off base, it is obvious that you do not have any idea how Pro Logic II works at all. rather than argue with you, i'm just going to wait for you to get onto google, read up about things, and come back here when you know what you're talking about. that is all.

When l listened to the pot in PLII surround ,the guitar at 1:43 "kangaroo done hung... kicks in on the back channels to kick it into a different gear , for me anyway.
Whether it's intentional or not doesn't mean you can't get something out of it.
Who's saying it's not intentional. Surely it can be worked these days.

Actually....what PL does is take the "out of phase" information from the left and right channels, and put them in the rear and center....but all this discussion is pretty stupid, because, if a piece of audio is not MIXED in 5.1 (that's 5 DISCREET channels + a sub channel), then it can't be PLAYED in 5.1!!!! PL and Dolby Digital and DTS are all just different ways of decoding the mixed 5.1 source audio. If you are using PL or any of the awful DSP's that come on amps nowadays, you're seriously ruining what is a brilliant stereo mix.

OMG.....just as I was typing this Rosetta Stoned came on my ipod (which I have on random). Out of 3K songs that's pretty good:):):)