there are a lot of things that I've though this song was about, but this is the one theory that has few flaws, if any.
As was mentioned once before, H is the middle initial of Maynard's son's name. Now, if you take the commonly accepted meaning of "prison sex", the victim becoming the victimizer, I think this song means just the same thing. maynard was beat/mistreated/molested/something horrible by his father, and he has urges to do the same thing to his own son. let me explain:
What's coming through is alive. (his urge...)
What's holding up is a mirror. (a mirror image of himself...his son, his own flesh and blood)
But what's singing songs is a snake (his father's penis...go figure, freud)
Looking to turn this piss to wine. (piss, obviously, wine meaning cum)
They're both totally void of hate, (his fathers urge, his own urge...both void of hate)
But killing me just the same. (kills him to have his own father do that...kills him that he now does)
The snake behind me hisses (his father)
What my damage could have been. (could have been worse)
My blood before me begs me (his son)
Open up my heart again.
And I feel this coming over like a storm again. (his urge)
Considerately.
Venomous voice, tempts me, (this is his urge again...obviously)
Drains me, bleeds me,
Leaves me cracked and empty.
Drags me down like some sweet gravity. (very hard to control)
The snake behind me hisses
What my damage could have been.
My blood before me begs me
Open up my heart again.
And I feel this coming over like a storm again.
I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you (his father)
Touching me, changing me, (changing the victim into the victimizer...)
And considerately killing me.
Without the skin,
Beneath the storm, (the storm being his dilemma)
Under these tears
The walls came down.
And the snake is drowned and (controlling the urge)
As I look in his eyes, (his son's eyes)
My fear begins to fade (fades because he is too committed to slip away into this urge...)
Recalling all of those times. (...becuse of all the times his father did...he remembers)
I could have cried then.
I should have cried then. (if he would have cried, his father may have stopped...)
And as the walls come down and
As I look in your eyes
My fear begins to fade
Recalling all of the times
I have died
and will die.
It's all right.
I don't mind. (letting his guilt get the best of him)
I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me,
And considerately killing me.
also, I think Puhit might be about the exact same thing...but there were a few flaws. lemme know what you all think.
Or, H. stands for Half-empty like the guys said. Or, it represents the letter of the alphabet that corresponds with the dualistic repression of man. Or, it represents two souls, represented by | and |, joined together by a penis,"-", forming the letter H.
Uhh, I kind of see where this is going but to direct it to molesting is a bit extreme just cause they use the word snake... to me theres alot of bible refrences.. could be a religious critism... theres no anger in this song or any reflected emotion like that in just the way its sung...
I think your taking it to far, why would he molest his own son, even with an urge to after going through that pain. Generaly those who are molested turn out alot better people because of the intense dramatic experiance they went through...
I see your point, and the words can mean that, but for the sake of the songs reflected mood and his intrigity im sure thats not why he wrote it. Thats just me though, I refuse to believe that he would repeat a known mistake.
Generaly those who are molested turn out alot better people because of the intense dramatic experiance they went through...
Wtf?? You happen to state a polar opposite to what I've heard. Does it produce people that are better because they learn to hide their feelings... and are maybe even completely disconnected from their anima (jungian psychology, found many other posts), or am I misinformed? Take care to realize that there are polar opposites everywhere in life, and that you cannot make a generalization that everyone will swing one way or the other.
Uhh, I kind of see where this is going but to direct it to molesting is a bit extreme...
when it comes to emotions, what do a lot of people do when the feelings are "extreme" ? they write...seriously now, I think extremity is completely irrelevant when it comes to lyric and poetry.
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just cause they use the word snake...
It's not jsut because he mentions a "snake." Looking to turn this piss to wine? piss to wine? come on, this is either talking about jizz, or using jizz in metaphor, no doubt about it. and because of this, I am lead to believe that the snake he talks about is a phalic....simply a penis.
the darker the poetry, the more intense the feelings. thats what poetry is for, to share and express intense, and extreme emotions.
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or, hes talking about being addicted to heroin.
the heroin theory is quite an old one. I think he may be drawing analogy from his pedophilia to heroin. of all the feelings a person can have, what are the emotions that are the most extreme and uncontrolable? Hatred, and Sexuality. no doubt about it. now he's already stated that SOMEthing is void of hate. now I'm not insulting Maynard here, nor am I implying that he IS a pedophile, this is merely an analysis.
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why would he molest his own son, even with an urge to after going through that pain.
My friend, this is exactly why he's writing about it, talking about how commited he is, and how he needs to resist. you further prove my point.
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after going through that pain.
being molested as a child isn't neccessarily traumatic or painful. now, being abducted and raped is obviously a different story. being molested by a family member, friend of the family, or whatever, is not neccessarily traumatic.
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Generaly those who are molested turn out alot better people because of the intense dramatic experiance they went through...
this is quite false. They may become more sensitive, but the vast majority of convicted/admitted child molesters were themselve's molested as children.
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I see your point, and the words can mean that, but for the sake of the songs reflected mood and his intrigity im sure thats not why he wrote it. Thats just me though, I refuse to believe that he would repeat a known mistake.
the reflected mood is one of addiction, and commitment to resist it. the mood of the song is not affected by my comments, only our fear of believeing that this is really about pedophilia or incest. we don't want to believe things as extreme as this.
what if he really is a pedophile/incestuous? does that affect his integrity? no, the only thing that can affect a person's integrity is his actions. and if my analysis has any truth to it, it only proves that the only extremety about what I've said, is his integrity - a man with unwanted and destructive feelings, and the ability to control them. that is something to admire.
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im sure thats not why he wrote it.
you wonder why maynard's lyrics are so vague, perhaps this is why.
Or, H. stands for Half-empty like the guys said. Or, it represents the letter of the alphabet that corresponds with the dualistic repression of man. Or, it represents two souls, represented by | and |, joined together by a penis,"-", forming the letter H.
and what is the period? a terd? lol
the period in " H. " definately means it is an initial of some sort...or a one word acroynm haha.
it is maynard's AND his son's middle initial, which might mean that the song is about both Maynard AND his Son...which further backs my theory.
and just to clarify, I do not really believe that this is really what the song is about, but this is in my opinion the best interpretation...so far.
I came to another conclusion about the songs meaning while listening to it on the way to work today:
The snake behind me hisses (the snake, you know what this is. BEHIND him, as in, in his PAST)
What my damage could have been. (this means he wasn't traumetized by it, but, by definition - perverted, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way)
My blood before me begs me (his son)
Open up my heart again. (his desire? his commitment? his love? I'm not sure which...)
...
I could have cried then. (he wished it WOULD have been traumatic...)
I should have cried then. (if it was traumatic, he wouldn't have been "perverted", again, not derogatory)
You know, a while ago I came up with a weird solution to this question. It's really more of a set of odd coincidences, probably not the thought behind the music at all, but the others seemed to enjoy it.
My analysis, version 2.0 :-)
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What's coming through is alive. (his urge)
What's holding up is a mirror. (a mirror image of himself...his son, his own flesh and blood)
But what's singing songs is a snake (his father's penis...freudian concept)
Looking to turn this piss to wine. (piss==piss; wine==jizz;)
They're both totally void of hate, (his fathers urge, his own urge...both void of hate)
But killing me just the same. (for obvious reasons they both tear him apart)
The snake behind me hisses (the snake, freud, "behind me" as in "in the past")
What my damage could have been. (could have been worse)
My blood before me begs me (his son)
Open up my heart again.
And I feel this coming over like a storm again. (his urge)
Considerately.
Venomous voice, tempts me, (deadly urge, tempts me)
Drains me, bleeds me,
Leaves me cracked and empty.
Drags me down like some sweet gravity. (very hard to control)
The snake behind me hisses
What my damage could have been.
My blood before me begs me
Open up my heart again.
And I feel this coming over like a storm again.
I am too connected to you to (I WONT LET THE BEAT ME!)
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you (maybe his father, maybe the urge)
Touching me, changing me, (changing the victim into the victimizer...)
And considerately killing me. (he'd rather die "drained, bled. Cracked, enpty, and dragged down like soem sweet gravity" than to give in)
Without the skin, (skin==flesh; without the temptation)
Beneath the storm, (the storm being his dilemma, he's beneath it, out of the temptation)
Under these tears (with no regrets)
The walls came down. (maybe "walls" is symbolic of some sort of a guard--his resistance to temptation)
And the snake is drowned and (controlling the urge)
As I look in his eyes, (his son's eyes)
My fear begins to fade (fades because he is too committed to slip away into this urge...)
Recalling all of those times. (...becuse of all the times his father did...he remembers)
I could have cried then. (it could have been traumatic)
I should have cried then. (better traumatic, than perversive)
And as the walls come down and
As I look in your eyes
My fear begins to fade
Recalling all of the times
I have died (his father killed him, he's not who he would have been--he wouldnt be perverted.)
and will die. (he wont give in the the urge)
It's all right. (its "all right", not "alright". everythign is right. heh)
I don't mind.
I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me, (growing through this pain)
And considerately killing me. (but I still will alwas have this urge)
I looked Tux up. Googled it.
I had no idea what it all meant, at the time.
In retrospect, it was the visual juxtaposition that attracted me to the pic, y'know, besides the colors. What would that be, iconic duality?
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