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Old 07-10-2012, 03:20 AM   #121
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you see the other thing is everyone has been talking about tool as
these people who have such enlightening music etc.
but the thing is if you dont understand the occult(which i dont)
you will only realize this with there next album which
would also probably be there last one.
none of there albums covers has anything symbolizing occultism
the next one will

i guess this will shock alot of the fans
because it seems as if the most of them arent ocultists
and wonder about the subject if they really are satanic or whatever.

problem 8 is something else
the whole thing is fucking genius
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Pyramid texts from Teti I's pyramid.
The Pyramid Texts are a collection of ancient Egyptian religious texts from the time of the Old Kingdom. The pyramid texts are possibly the oldest known religious texts in the world.[1][2] Written in Old Egyptian, the pyramid texts were carved on the walls and sarcophagi of the pyramids at Saqqara during the 5th and 6th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom. The oldest of the texts have been dated to between ca. 2400-2300 BC.[3] Unlike the Coffin Texts and Book of the Dead into which parts of the pyramid texts later evolved, the pyramid texts were reserved only for the pharaoh and were not illustrated.[4] Following the earlier Palermo Stone, the pyramid texts mark the next-oldest known mention of Osiris, who would become the most important deity associated with afterlife in the Ancient Egyptian religion.[5]
The spells, or "utterances", of the pyramid texts are primarily concerned with protecting the pharaoh's remains, reanimating his body after death, and helping him ascend to the heavens, which are the emphasis of the afterlife during the Old Kingdom. The spells delineate all of the ways the pharaoh could travel, including the use of ramps, stairs, ladders, and most importantly flying. The spells could also be used to call the gods to help, even threatening them if they did not comply.[6]
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this could be what rosetta stoned was hinting at
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Babalon as depicted in the card "Lust" in the Thoth Tarot deck
Babalon is referred to as the Scarlet Woman, the Great Mother, and the Mother of Abominations. Her godform is that of a sacred whore, and her primary symbol is the Chalice or Graal. Her consort is Chaos, the “Father of Life” and the male form of the Creative Principle. Babalon is often described as being girt with a sword and riding the Beast, with whom Aleister Crowley personally identified. As Aleister Crowley wrote, “She rides astride the Beast; in her left hand she holds the reins, representing the passion which unites them. In her right she holds aloft the cup, the Holy Grail aflame with love and death. In this cup are mingled the elements of the sacrament of the Aeon” (Book of Thoth). In a more general sense, Babalon represents the liberated woman and the full expression of the sexual impulse.
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1 Babalon as the Gateway to the City of Pyramids
2 The Great Whore
3 The office of the Scarlet Woman
3.1 Individual Scarlet Women
4 As the Great Mother
5 Babalon in the Book of Lies
5.1 Crowley's Commentary
6 The Scarlet Woman in the Book of the Law
7 Biblical origins
8 Etymology
9 See also
10 Links of interest
11 References
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Babalon as the Gateway to the City of Pyramids
Within the mystical system of Crowley, the adept reaches a final stage where he or she must cross the Abyss, that great wilderness of nothingness and dissolution. Choronzon is the dweller there, and his job is to trap the traveler in his meaningless world of illusion. However, Babalon is on just the other side, beckoning. If the adept gives himself to her—the symbol of this act is the pouring of the adept’s blood into her graal—he becomes impregnated in her, then to be reborn as a master and a saint that dwells in the City of the Pyramids. This process is beautifully described in the 15th Aethyr of The Vision and the Voice:

As the dancer whirls, she chants in a strange, slow voice, quickening as she goes: Lo! I gather up every spirit that is pure, and weave him into my vesture of flame. I lick up the lives of men, and their souls sparkle from mine eyes. I am the mighty sorceress, the lust of the spirit. And by my dancing I gather for my mother Nuit the heads of all them that are baptized in the waters of life. I am the lust of the spirit that eateth up the soul of man. I have prepared a feast for the adepts, and they that partake thereof shall see God.
The concept contained within Babalon is that of the mystical ideal, the quest to become one with all. This process necessarily requires refusing to deny anything, becoming perfectly passive the world, allowing all experience to come forward, abandoning oneself into the deluge of sensation. Through this, the mystic comes to direct contact with life, formulating the wine of the Graal, being the distilled understanding derived from raw experience. This process clearly has its analogue in the career of the lady of the night.

Babalon is described in various places in the Thelemic texts, but her most edifying appearance is in The Vision and the Voice, as part of the vision which explains the function of the Chalice:

Let him look upon the cup whose blood is mingled therein, for the wine of the cup is the blood of the saints. Glory unto the Scarlet Woman, Babalon the Mother of Abominations, that rideth upon the Beast, for she hath spilt their blood in every corner of the earth and lo! she hath mingled it in the cup of her whoredom.
With the breath of her kisses hath she fermented it, and it hath become the wine of the Sacrament, the wine of the Sabbath; and in the Holy Assembly hath she poured it out for her worshipers, and they had become drunken thereon, so that face to face they beheld my Father. Thus are they made worthy to become partakers of the Mystery of this holy vessel, for the blood is the life. So sitteth she from age to age, and the righteous are never weary of her kisses, and by her murders and fornications she seduceth the world. Therein is manifested the glory of my Father, who is truth.
(This wine is such that its virtue radiateth through the cup, and I reel under the intoxication of it. And every thought is destroyed by it. It abideth alone, and its name is Compassion. I understand by "Compassion," the sacrament of suffering, partaken by the true worshipers of the Highest. And it is an ecstasy in which there is no trace of pain. Its passivity (=passion) is like the giving-up of the self to the beloved.)
—The Vision and the Voice, 12th Aethyr, Aleister Crowley.

The spelling of her Name as 'Babalon' is not revealed until the vision of the 10th Aethyr, where it is used to banish the forces of Choronzon. The discovery of the spelling represents Crowley successfully crossing the Abyss, and entering into the Sphere of Binah, which is also attributed to Babalon.
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Afterlife
The nature of the afterlife which the dead person enjoyed is difficult to define, because of the differing traditions within Ancient Egyptian religion. In the Book of the Dead, the dead were taken into the presence of the god Osiris, who was confined to the subterranean Duat. There are also spells to enable the ba or akh of the dead to join Ra as he travelled the sky in his sun-barque, and help him fight off Apep.[35] As well as joining the Gods, the Book of the Dead also depicts the dead living on in the 'Field of Reeds', a paradisaical likeness of the real world.[36] The Field of Reeds is depicted as a lush, plentiful version of the Egypt of the living. There are fields, crops, oxen, people and waterways. The deceased person is shown encountering the Great Ennead, a group of gods, as well as his or her own parents. While the depiction of the Field of Reeds is pleasant and plentiful, it is also clear that manual labour is required. For this reason burials included a number of statuettes named shabti, or later ushebti. These statuettes were inscribed with a spell, also included in the Book of the Dead, requiring them to undertake any manual labour that might be the owner's duty in the afterlife.[37] It is also clear that the dead not only went to a place where the gods lived, but that they acquired divine characteristics themselves. In many occasions, the deceased is mentioned as "The Osiris - [Name]" in the Book of the Dead.


Two 'gate spells'. On the top register, Ani and his wife face the 'seven gates of the House of Osiris'. Below, they encounter ten of the 21 'mysterious portals of the House of Osiris in the Field of Reeds'. All are guarded by unpleasant protectors.[38]
The path to the afterlife as laid out in the Book of the Dead was a difficult one. The deceased was required to pass a series of gates, caverns and mounds guarded by supernatural creatures.[39] These terrifying entities were armed with enormous knives and are illustrated in grotesque forms, typically as human figures with the heads of animals or combinations of different ferocious beasts. Their names—for instance, "He who lives on snakes" or "He who dances in blood"—are equally grotesque. These creatures had to be pacified by reciting the appropriate spells included in the Book of the Dead; once pacified they posed no further threat, and could even extend their protection to the dead person.[40] Another breed of supernatural creatures was 'slaughterers' who killed the unrighteous on behalf of Osiris; the Book of the Dead equipped its owner to escape their attentions.[41] As well as these supernatural entities, there were also threats from natural or supernatural animals, including crocodiles, snakes, and beetles.[42]
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The Great Work (lat: Magnum Opus), within Thelema, is the process of attaining Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel and learning and accomplishing one's True Will. The concept originates as far back as Medieval alchemy, and came to Thelema through Hermetic Magic informed by the Qabalah.


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1 In the Qabalah
2 Eliphas Levi and the Golden Dawn
3 Crowley's Interpretation in the New Aeon
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In the Qabalah
The term "great work" does not exist in classic Qabalistic texts such as the Zohar or Sepher Yetzirah. However, the concept appears in the writings of Qabalists throughout the Renaissance:

Do not pray for your own needs, for your prayer will not then be accepted. But when you want to pray, do so for the heaviness of the Head. For whatever you lack, the Divine Presence also lacks.
This is because man is a "portion of God from on high." Whatever any part lacks, also exists in the Whole, and the Whole feels the lack of the part, You should therefore pray for the needs of the Whole. (from a disciple of the Kabbalist R. Israel Baal Shem Tov)
The classic Jewish Kabbalist is less concerned about the Great Work as a manifestation of "True Will" than he or she is as a part of bringing the world back to the state which the Creator intended. Thus one finds current Jewish Kabbalistic movements such as the Kabbalah Center in Jerusalem recruiting new "converts" to Kabbalah (such as Madonna) in an attempt to bring each new Kabbalist into their concept of the Great Work. As more individuals come into the Kabbalistic system, the closer the world comes to perfection as was originally conceived in the Kabbalistic scheme.

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Eliphas Levi and the Golden Dawn
Eliphas Levi, the first of the modern "ceremonial magicians" and predecessor to the "Golden Dawn" defined the Great Work thus:

The magnum opus is pre-eminently the creation of man by himself, that is, the full and complete conquest which he can make of his faculties and his future; it is pre-eminently the perfect emancipation of his will.
The modern incarnation of the Golden Dawn defines the Great Work as "a term borrowed from alchemy's magnum opus. Refers to the path of human spiritual evolution, growth and illumination, which is the goal of ceremonial magic."

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Crowley's Interpretation in the New Aeon
Like the Golden Dawn, Thelemites view the Great Work, at least with respect to the individual magician, as being the quest for Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. However, Crowley never lost sight that the individual Great Work contributes ultimately to the Great Work of the Universe:

The first condition of membership of the A.'.A.'. is that one is sworn to identify one's own Great Work with that of raising mankind to higher levels, spiritually, and in every other way. (Magick Without Tears, ch. 9)
It was the practice of Thelemites at the Abbey of Thelema in Cefalu, after "saying Will before Meat," to add the question, "What is the Great Work?" (MTP, ch. 13)
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The Holy Guardian Angel is representative of one’s truest divine nature. The term is equivalent with the Genius of the Golden Dawn, the Augoeides of Iamblichus, the Atman of Hinduism, and the Daemon of the gnostics.

In the system of Magick, the single most important goal is to consciously connect with one’s HGA, a process termed “Knowledge and Conversation.” By doing so, the magician becomes fully aware of his own True Will. For Aleister Crowley, this event was the single most important goal of any adept:

It should never be forgotten for a single moment that the central and essential work of the Magician is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. Once he has achieved this he must of course be left entirely in the hands of that Angel, who can be invariably and inevitably relied upon to lead him to the further great step—crossing of the Abyss and the attainment of the grade of Master of the Temple. (Magick Without Tears, Ch.83)
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2 HGA and Black Magick
3 Methods of Achieving K&C
4 HGA in writing
5 See also
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The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage
Crowley became aware of the book entitled The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage from George Cecil Jones, a member of the Golden Dawn. The book describes the full procedure for “Knowledge and Conversation” and gave him the term "Holy Guardian Angel." Crowley sums up the book in The Equinox of the Gods:

The aspirant must have a house secure from observation and interference. In this house there must be an oratory with a window to the East, and a door to the North opening upon a terrace, at the end of which must be a lodge. He must have a Robe, Crown, Wand, Altar, Incense, Anointing Oil, and a Silver Lamen. The terrace and lodge must be strewn with fine sand. He withdraws himself gradually from human intercourse to devote himself more and more to prayer for the space of four months. He must then occupy two months in almost continuous prayer, speaking as little as possible to anybody. At the end of this period he invokes a being described as the Holy Guardian Angel, who appears to him (or to a child employed by him), and who will write in dew upon the Lamen, which is placed upon the Altar. The Oratory is filled with Divine Perfume not of the aspirant's kindling.
After a period of communion with the Angel, he summons the Four Great Princes of the Daemonic World, and forces them to swear obedience.
On the following day he calls forward and subdues the Eight Sub-Princes; and the day after that, the many Spirits serving these. These inferior Daemons, of whom four act as familiar spirits, then operate a collection of talismans for various purposes. Such is a brief account of the Operation described in the book.
This book clearly had a powerful impact on Crowley, who adopted its general terms and concepts, and applied it to his own system developed in the A.'.A.'. Moreover, he actually attempted the full procedure as described in the book, which resulted in the purchase of Boleskine House and his Abramelin Operation.

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HGA and Black Magick
Crowley felt that attaining Knowledge and Conversation was so important, that he staked the claim that any other magical operation was, in a sense, evil. In Book 4 (Ch. 21) he explains:

As was said at the opening of the second chapter, the Single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line...Any other operation is black magic...If the magician needs to perform any other operation than this, it is only lawful in so far as it is a necessary preliminary to That One Work.
He then softens his position somewhat:

There are, however many shades of grey. It is not every magician who is well armed with theory. Perhaps one such may invoke Jupiter, with the wish to heal others of their physical ills. This sort of thing is harmless, or almost so. It is not evil in itself. It arises from a defect of understanding. Until the Great Work has been performed, it is presumptuous for the magician to pretend to understand the universe, and dictate its policy.
The implication is that only magick devoted to the spiritual evolution of the individual and their attunement to the global and cosmic Will is honorable and in line with the ultimate goals of Thelema. Any magick that is self-serving or results-oriented is regarded as impure and in contradiction to the necessary evolution of the species.

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Methods of Achieving K&C
Crowley said that the Abramelin procedure was not the only way to achieve success in this endeavor:

It is impossible to lay down precise rules by which a man may attain to the knowledge and conversation of His Holy Guardian Angel; for that is the particular secret of each one of us; as secret not to be told or even divined by any other, whatever his grade. It is the Holy of Holies, whereof each man is his own High Priest, and none knoweth the Name of his brother's God, or the Rite that invokes Him. (Book 4, "One Star in Sight")
Since the operation described in “Abramelin” is so complex and requires time and resources not available to most people, Crowley wanted to provide a more accessable method. While at the Abbey of Thelema in Italy, he wrote Liber Samekh, a ritual designed specifically for attaining the Knowledge and Conversation with one’s HGA. In his notes to this ritual, Crowley sums up the key to success: “INVOKE OFTEN.”

He also explains, in more detail, the general mystical process of the ritual:

The Adept will be free to concentrate his deepest self, that part of him which unconsciously orders his true Will, upon the realization of his Holy Guardian Angel. The absence of his bodily, mental and astral consciousness is indeed cardinal to success, for it is their usurpation of his attention which has made him deaf to his Soul, and his preoccupation with their affairs that has prevented him from perceiving that Soul.
The effect of the Ritual has been
to keep them so busy with their own work that they cease to distract him;
to separate them so completely that his soul is stripped of its sheaths;
to arouse in him an enthusiasm so intense as to intoxicate and anesthetize him, that he may not feel and resent the agony of this spiritual vivisection, just as bashful lovers get drunk on the wedding night, in order to brazen out the intensity of shame which so mysteriously coexists with their desire;
to concentrate the necessary spiritual forces from every element, and fling them simultaneously into the aspiration towards the Holy Guardian Angel; and
to attract the Angel by the vibration of the magical voice which invokes Him.
The method of the Ritual is thus manifold.
Another detailed description of the general operation is given in The Vision and the Voice, Aethyr 8.

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HGA in writing
Crowley often wrote about his own experiences with his Holy Guardian Angel, whom he often referred to as Adonai, but also claimed to be Aiwass, the intelligence that dictated The Book of the Law to him in 1904. The key texts regarding the HGA are:

Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente— An account of the relations of the aspirant and his Holy Guardian Angel.
The Wake World— A poetical allegory of the relations of the soul and the Holy Guardian Angel.
Liber Samekh— Being the Ritual employed by the Beast 666 for the Attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel, along with many comments.
The 8th Aethyr in The Vision and the Voice—describes the Angel and the operation for attaining K&C.
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See also
Abramelin
Attainment
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External links
The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage
The Vision and the Voice by Aleister Crowley
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References
Crowley, Aleister. (1997). Magick: Book 4. 2nd ed. York Beach, Me. : S. Weiser.
___. (1982). Magick Without Tears. Phoenix, AZ : Falcon Press
___. (1998). The Vision & the Voice : the Equinox, IV(2). York Beach, Me. : Samuel Weiser.
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you should have a separate site, like ...wiki and me ...or the key is in wiki ...or lost wiki's (blame me) ...with a link in your signature, 'cause then it's more of an invitation than a WAKE THE FUCK UP! are there no mods in this bitch? i've heard of double-posting and copy/pasting with nothing added by the user ...but this thread is bumped every other second. kind of annoying. like a page full of spamming threads. go email blair or something. hey, if you're right then he may (sarcasticly) confirm your theory as well. we're not the source, you're not the source, so unless you go there with what you have, you're just peddling and trying to shove down our throats some sort of choose your own wiki adventure WHILST drawing phantoms lines as a means to conclude for yourself that you are indeed AWAKE.
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right dick wad youn have a choice to read whatever the fuck you want nobodies forcing any thing down anyones throat if theres someththing shoved down someones throat its your own bullshit that you choose to believe in so .

why did you even bother to reply
go read some other thread
by the way who cares what you think ,
and who care s what i think

one thing is for shure if theres someone with his head stuck up his ass
its you.
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i cant see what this is helping in solving anything
clearly someones missing the point , tell me this were you aware that the numerology on aenima was the numerology of maat?

secondly another clue for you fools out there, with your heads stuck in your ass

have you noticed that if you devide the duration of the grudge on lateralus into 2
you get ......................
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...............................418

does this seem od or im i just fooling myself

i gues they just thought it would be cool

to use numeric values in there albums.


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calm down guy, i'm not attacking you or the theory, only where you think problem 8 will be on the next album, and i'm merely commenting on the means by which you choose to convey your theory. the pieces may all be there but if you want to get beyond your own inner-space, tunnel-vision, step-by-step, oh-i-forgot-to-tell-you, and-by-the-way-this-may-also-be-important, fuck-the-edit button, this-adds-to-my-post-count-AND-bumps-my-all-important-theory (even though only 3 others have commented, once or twice ...over four fuckin pages), link link link copy paste blah blah blah ...if you wanna do more than just that ...then make the idea more elegant and comprehensible for OTHERS to come to ...i may want to understand it more. oh but yeah "btw who cares what you think" ...is exactly how i see you coming to explaining this idea. i'm obviously, and only SIMPLY, not getting it because i find your way of communicating this shit ...a little ...all over the place. wiki's something i pass over MOST of the time ...especially on occult babble. therefore. ...i'd have to really care, give a shit, or have the slightest hope that you may know what the hell you're talking about ...to juggle this stuff ...until enlightened. and i realize that it's my shortcoming, and this little back a forth here is using time i could've used to digest your theory ...but ...seriously, fuck you (esp to the "clearly" remark - asshat move, my friend). read between the lines. obviously i want to see how what you're babbling about is relevant to anything ...but right now it's just you shitting 'gainst a wall, and then telling the wall to wake the fuck up. why is it when i suggest you go to blair with it that you started calling me a bunch of names and taking shit A. personally and/or B. seriously? i know - or can only assume - that you spent a lot of time on this. but calm the fuck down. get organized. we're not all self-proclaimed magis yet.
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The three aspects of Babalon

Babalon is a complex figure, although within Thelemic literature, she has three essential aspects: she is the Gateway to the City of the Pyramids, the Scarlet Woman, and the Great Mother.
[edit]Gateway to the City of Pyramids

The Seal of Babalon
Within the mystical system of the A∴A∴, after the adept has attained the Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel, he then might reach the next and last great milestone—the crossing of the Abyss, that great spiritual wilderness of nothingness and dissolution. Choronzon is the dweller there, and his job is to trap the traveler in his meaningless world of illusion.
However, Babalon is just on the other side, beckoning. If the adept gives himself totally to her—the symbol of this act being the pouring of the adept’s blood into her graal—he becomes impregnated in her, then to be reborn as a Master of the Temple and a saint that dwells in the City of the Pyramids. From Crowley's book Magick Without Tears:
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30 June, 2012 (05:02pm)


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As for track #13, "Faaip De Oiad", which in the Enochian language translates as "Voice(s) of God", there's an interesting story behind it that I'd like to share with you (though not in its entirety). Originally, Danny's segue on Lateralus was going to be a much more elaborate production, complete with Enochian verses, Calls, etc. (These were later published in my book "IJYNX" as" Da'ath of Babalon").


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choronzon is the female half of shugaal
each of them has the numeric value of 333
333+333=666
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the 23 aethyr

Also, though I be planted so firmly upon the earth, yet is my blood wine and my breath fire of madness. With these wings, though they be but little, I lift myself above the crown of the yod12, and being without fins I yet swim in the inviolate fountain13.


sounds simialar to this part



to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
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whats weird about lateralus is that the 1st track is grudge and if you devide the duration into 2 you get 4.18-the vision and teh voice with the 3o enochian aethers

the the title track lateralus seems like its the climax of the album ,
track 9( the 9th sephiroth is yod) coincidence?

the duration of latera;us is 9.24
924 = Beetle of Midnight

23 aethyr

In the brightness of the stone are three lights, brighter than all, which revolve ceaselessly2. And now there is a spider's web of silver3 covering the whole of the stone. Behind the spider's web is a star of twelve rays4; and behind that again, a black bull, furiously pawing up the ground. The flames from his mouth increase and whirl, and he cries: Behold the mystery of toil, O thou who art taken in the toils of mystery5. For I who trample the earth thereby make whirlpools in the air; be comforted, therefore, for though I be black, in the roof of my mouth is the sign of the Beetle6. Bent are the backs of my brethren, yet shall they gore the lion with their horns. Have I not the wings of the eagle, and the face of the man?
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Pi (π): The sixteenth letter of the Greek alphabet, used in mathematics as symbol of the ratio between a circle’s circumference and its diameter. Pi therefore represents an essential component of the formula of the squaring of the circle, expressed by the equation π x D = C, or, conversely, π = C/D. Metaphysically speaking, the squaring of the circle represents the Zayonic division of the circle of infinity by the polar opposition of twin principles, as well as the Maatian return of the twins to infinity by means of the application of the power of π to their synergetic interaction. The power of π is the power of the Kundalini, which fuses together soul and spirit, that is, the Scarlet Woman and the Beast, so they become a Khabs in a Khu. Pi is a constant, infinite number. It may be approximately expressed by the ratio of 22/7, and is given to the sixth decimal place as 3.141593 by the riddle contained in Liber AL vel Legis III: 47. The solution of this riddle lies in the configuration of letters and numbers arranged in the grid that appears on page 16 of the book’s manuscript.
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Scarlet Woman (the): The name “Scarlet Woman” originates from St. John’s book of Revelation, in which it is given to the great prostitute Babylon (Rev. 17: 17–18). Together with the “Beast” she represents the force ruling the material universe. The name Babylon derives from the Hebrew word “Babel”, meaning “anointed” as well as “mix, mingle and confuse”. As manifested existence, she is multiplicity, the illusory Maya of Eastern mysticism. Her name is also related to the ancient Egyptian word for the soul, Ba.

Revelation tells the allegorical story of her initiatory death, through which she is taken as bride by the Lamb and transfigured into the heavenly Jerusalem (or renewal of the Word at the spring equinox of Aries – see Revelation, 21). The nuptial feast that follows the hour of doom of the Scarlet Woman is a celebration of the soul’s victory over death and world illusion, of her union with the eternal. Aleister Crowley spelt the name Babylon as “Babalon”, the Chaldean word for “gate of the god”, a name which qabalistically adds to 156. This is also the number of Zion, the sacred mountain that the Initiate must ascend to triumph over the “word of Sin” that is “Restriction”. Liber AL vel Legis reveals that Hadit, the giver of life, manifests Nuit as the Scarlet Woman, the supernal Khu and creative world of Briah.

In the Scarlet Woman “is all power is given” (Liber AL vel Legis I: 15). This power is that of Hadit, the serpent or 93 current animating the life of the Scarlet Woman and radiating from the Khabs contained within her. Above the Abyss the Scarlet Woman is the body of Nuit, the company of heaven, the intelligence referred to as Neschemah in the Qabalah. In her underworld aspect the Scarlet Woman is manifested as the great dragon, the material and visible world (Assiah) at the base of the Tree. Therein dwell man, demons, and the Qliphoth or shells of the dead. However, in earlier Sumerian depictions of the Scarlet Woman it is clear that the underworld was not then seen as a place of evil ipso facto – as it was in later times when scriptural interpretation became the sole means of conveying knowledge. The descent of the Scarlet Woman into the underworld was originally not seen as a “fall from grace”, but as a heroic act. By so doing, she is able to awaken the power of the Beast for the purposes of Initiation.
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this seem like the same process represented on the cover of lateralus.
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the strange thing about choronzon is that they havent mentioned the name once on their albums but i have this feeling that the new album will actually mention choronzin in the lyrics.
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the other thing about lateralus is the total duration of the album is 78.51


Crowley, being the Qabalist that he was, labored to discover Aiwass's number within the system of gematria. Initially he believed that it was 78: "I had decided on AIVAS = 78, the number of Mezla, the influence from the highest unity, and therefore suitable enough as the title of a messenger from Him." [12] After receiving a letter from a stranger, the typographer Samuel A. Jacobs, whose Hebrew name was SHMUEL Bar AIWAZ bie YACKOU de SHERABAD, Crowley asked the Hebrew spelling of AIWAZ; to Crowley's astonishment and delight it was OIVZ, which equated to 93, the number of Thelema itself. Crowley remained perplexed, though, since the spelling of the name in AL was "Aiwass" not "AIVAS", which does not add up to 93. However, when Crowley decided to use the Greek Qabalah, he discovered that ...
"...its value is 418! and this is the number of the Magical Formula of the Aeon. It represents the practice of the Book as 93 does the theory. It is now evident with what inconceivable ingenuity AIWAZ has arranged his expression. He is not content to give one spelling of his name, however potent; he gives two which taken together are not merely twice as significant as either alone, but more so, in a degree which is beyond me to calculate." [12]
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this is a bit of subject but still interesting

also interresting is that on schism is mentioned ( watch the temple topple over) which seem exactly the same as the description of the path dadagiel of the tree of death the averse side of the tree of life.

so this seems strange , but it looks like its indicating the voltigeurs of the the path of quelelfi.

148...74 x 2

BABALON THE GATE OF THE GOD ON
GODDESS WHO DEVOURS
PATHWAYS OF THE GREAT INANE
SECRET OF THE DARK RITE
SET-HORUS IS MANIFEST
TREASURE ROOM OF THE TOWER
THE EVOLVING COSMIC NET
THE FORMULA OF THE LEAPERS
THE LEAPERS BEHIND THE TREE
THE SEER IN DARKNESS
THE GATEWAY AT THE BACK OF THE TREE
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so does anyone see a pattern forming here?
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this applies to all the albums,

aenima
so you get stinkfist 5.11 the number of maat
intermission 0.56 the number of maat

lateralus

the grudge 8.36/2=418 lateralus 9.24/2=224 the number of maat
78.51=aivas

10 000 days
vicarious 7.07/2=3.33 and viginti tres (23)5.02/2=2.31
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if you're gonna bring track durations into decimal time then you need to talk about them in terms of total hours OR total minutes OR total seconds. dividing standard time as a single number doesn't make sense on its own, i.e. the minutes don't automatically represent whole numbers, and the seconds don't automatically represent its decimal values ...the "standard" isn't base-10, therefore ALL of these examples will become incongruent calculations > which shouldn't even be "coincidental?" for anything, it's just basic human error/oversight...

stinkfist
5 minutes and 11 seconds
= 0.086389 hours = 5.183 minutes = 311 seconds
[right in two = 0.043194 hrs = 2.59167 minutes = 155.5 seconds]

intermission
0 minutes and 56 seconds
= 0.0156 hours = 0.93 minutes = 56 seconds
[right in two = 0.0078 hours = 0.465 minutes = 28 seconds]

the grudge
8 minutes and 36 seconds
= 0.143 hours = 8.6 minutes = 516 seconds
[right in two = 0.07167 hrs = 4.3 minutes = 258 seconds]

lateralus, track
9 minutes and 24 seconds
= 0.157 hours = 9.4 minutes = 564 seconds
[right in two = 0.07833 hrs = 4.7 minutes = 282 seconds]

lateralus, album
78 minutes and 51 seconds
= 1.314167 hours = 78.85 minutes = 4731 seconds
[right in two = 0.6570835 hrs = 39.425 minutes = 2365.5 seconds]

vicarious
7 minutes and 7 seconds
= 0.11861 hours = 7.1167 minutes = 427 seconds
[right in two = 0.059305 = 3.55835 minutes = 213.5 seconds]

viginti tres
5 minutes and 2 seconds
= 0.08389 hours = 5.03 minutes = 302 seconds
[right in two = 0.04194 hours = 2.5167 minutes = 151 seconds]

you can't keep throwing all of these arbitrary values and symbols around to match your theories, i mean c'mon. ...where will it end?
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Good point (http://toolnavy.com/member.php?u=27407)! there seems to be no end, it's just like an infinity! All those extented versions and sudden changes in lyrics, all these eyes that look at me behind my back, I felt them and now I can't stand any of it, this will become a hated thing, occult is dead.
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rotation for faaip de oaid is close to what it silence in Triad.. listen live versions of Triad and see.
there seems to be something strange about triad, but to understand how to aproach , you need to see everything as a whole.
that seems to be the main idea behind it all monism.


but i dont understand what you mean with :


rotation for faaip de oaid is close to what it silence in Triad..
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i dont get it could you elaborate a bit , your moving a bit to fast.
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the other thing abouit triad , at the begonning of teh track it sound simialar to ions.
so maybe you need to do the same as what was done with 10 000 days and wings.
but i think that the answer would reveal itself after the first parts of the problem is solved.
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like i have said in the start of this thread , i found the solution to the puzzle, well most of it i anyway, but im not going to spoil it .
so im giving one piece of information at a time.

because its kind of obvious to see where this is going.

so far i have given pretty important pieces of information to start with .

even now at this moment im wondering if what i have found is all there is, everytime i look for something there seem to be another part that i discover.
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interesting, firstly what you aare noticing on grudge jambi and aenima sounds simialar to what the neuroscientist said that solved the confguratio of the tree of lifee on 10k days.

he said there is a pulsating rythm going through the album, the same type of one heard in the end of teh grudge.

see i dont have multitrack recording software so i cant check this out, but check aenima cesaro summibility and diie eier von satan, cesaro summability and die eier von satan over aenima and i think ions aswell.(im confident on this one)



and please explain the pre gap thing i dont understand ?
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sorry i said aenima i meant pushit
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when bands make an album they usually have more songs than they need to put onto the album

and like ive mentioned the thing to keep in mind is the whole.

so maybe what is happening at the end is basically another song that is being masked by silence.
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i cnat make out what it is exactly but before the silence there is a mixture of something that is definitly part of the new album, something that sounds like lipan(not exactly slightly different), and something that sounds like the intro of vicarious(the bell sounds), and something that sounds like ions from aenima.

so if im not wrong this would be perfect evidence of the holism cocept is true.

so personally i must say that the last part is something off the new album.


good one , i didnt notice that because the last time i listened to triad till the end was years ago.
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okay interesting, so heres another clue , if you havent noticed it remember the albums are devided into 2 with the central track in the middle in the order 8,7,6,5


what if?






the numbers represent geometrical figures
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see i dont understand why noone has notced this before, its all over danny` drumkit
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:35 PM   #160
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Re: aenima- problem 8

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