Ey fuck you. Michigan could bitch slap the hell out of your pathetic, bland state any day.

I met a tasty baby in Michigan.
Now I'm talking about the road.

if you see the jewel case or whatever it comes in (personally I think they're getting into digipacks) please at least take a photo for us. Thanks, great thread.

screwed two times then I left. why cant i stay in one place.... for more than two days, why?!

lachrymotion, any news?

But neither add up to California :P

Which is really just a giant, Starbucks-infested wannabe Florida.

In what? Because it certainly isn't a sport ;-)

Starbucks infested yes, but wannabe Florida? You can have your old people and hurricanes, we'll keep our awesome Mexican food and earthquakes.

You're kidding right? You'd have to be.

Not to mention their shitty swamp land and humidity

Ultimately, I'd take Florida over California any day. We have our low points, but we have our shit together a lot more than California.

i haven't lived in california for too long, but it seems to have its shit together, whatever you mean by that. can you elaborate?

going by the people, weather, beaches, etc....california is much better than florida.

i was mainly talking about football but ok

I'd say Ohio's concerting also dominates Michigan.

Unless you like Radiohead. They jerk it to GR

Politics - Yes, Jeb Bush sucks, but I would take him over Arnold. At least he knows how to effectively run a state.

Taxes and Expenses - The cost of gas, the cost of living, everything is much more expensive in California.

Traffic - California driving is hell.

Beaches - I will agree that there are some amazing beaches in California and the Pacific ocean is awesome, but we have some great spots here (St. Augustine, St. Petersburg, the Keys) that more than make up for it, especially since it costs less to get there and stay there.

Weather - Yeah, we suck on that one. I'll agree.

The only thing that I will say about California is that you guys have a great music scene, and there is obviously no denying that. The state is just a magnet for bands, maybe because it's such a market. Other than that, I love Florida.

You guys don't know how to vote (or count votes) though! :P

But then we do have the Governator... I say that's a close call. You having a Bush might be a point in Cali's favour, though.

hahaha, the joke is on all of you for living in the states.

He wins.

Or, if you consider our foreign policy and the havok it reaks, the joke is on the rest of the world.

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Even without considering it, we may not have the best healthcare and education and choices politically, but I'd be lying if I said in a lot of cases we don't have it better than any place I can think of.

Sure it's fun to say "America sucks", but I wouldn't really want to live anywhere else.

yes my hate for the university of michigan. SCum.

no one likes you

Haha. The joke is on you. You should really get to know the rest of the world and perhaps you wouldn´t talk shit like that anymore.

i've lived in the states, michigan to be precise (saw TOOL play Grand Rapids 9/13 2001 (supposed to be 9/11 2001 but there were those terror attacks)).

and while i did enjoy my time there, the total encapsulation that so many american people have in their own country is dumbfounding. have some outward views, for fuck's sake.

you all jacked this thread to talk about how much your state sucks?

I used to live in Canada - no complaints for me here in Cali right now, so not on me :P

Holy hell. The price has gone down one euro since I last checked..which was about 10 hours ago. Maybe I should preorder it now.

my girlfriend is an anthropolgy major with a minor in human rights, maybe you're the one that should look around.

and I didn't talk shit at all. I said a lot of things in America are better than other countries, such as free speech. Why is it talking shit when an American says something, but not if someone from another country does?

That's true of many, as I've seen from both outside while in Canada and now inside, but not all. Seems to be better out west here than in the middle of the country (Michigan included).

We are too self-important in our attitudes, I will agree there. But it isn't the worst place in the world for the money it costs.

You have a minor in your pants....

What the hell does your girlfriend have to do with this?

dude, you can live in the middle of country and judge everyone else. you just judged the people in the country for not knowing enough when you clearly don't know a lot about this country as it is. I've been to a lot of places, only one spot outside of america and many spots within.

I can say there are great differences everywhere you go.

Because I discuss global politics and social issues with her on a daily basis. If it makes a difference, I've taken anthropology as well and you sound like a 13 year old with a need to rebel.

because everyone hates us...

which is absurd. you can't hate many for the actions of few. how fucking brainless is that?

I wouldn't go to austria or germany and hate on everyone there for WWII.

anthropology is child's play.

*sigh* can someone PLEASE either change the title of this topic to "American Pride", or change the subject matter back?

anyone?