I updated my post, check it out. Much love for you there.

You are the most disagreeable, unwavering, opinionated person posting on this forum. I constantly encounter your posts everywhere, and they are always the same: total opposite of whatever anybody else has to say. Purely and simply for the sake of it. You have chosen to go through the only life you will ever live arguing and disagreeing with everybody else. I seriously doubt your sincerity for the most part. It's just not possible to disagree with all and every opinion.

The saddest and most pitiful way to seek attention is by disagreeing or attempting to create conflict.

In summary, I shall now quote from Jambi, and add a line of my own:

Silently, just save your poison,
And when you've saved enough, consume it.

hahaha, thats classic

Schooled! But deuceman is not a "Tool fan", he only accepts TooL by default, ie because nothing 'fabulous' happened on 6/6/6

Unaccepted. Learn your lesson, and as its been strongly suggested, don't return until you do.

I beg to differ. All you're attempting to do is impress upon me your delusional belief that you and Submachine are superior to the rest of us.

Why did I entitle this post Formal Apology Issued? Because I have seen the error of my ways. I am revoking my earlier posts and remarks that were negative or questioned the band's commitment to this new album.

It has nothing to do with being a "silly person" who now realises there is no other album so I'd better start enjoying this one. It's about integrity, honesty, being able to admit I was wrong, and now being at peace for not having to agonise over whether this album is better, worse, inferior, superior, blah, blah, etc.

The sad thing is that you and Submachine will continue to be tormented by this album long after others have taken the time to appreciate it's greatness. Some will never understand and will give up. You two don't even have the luxury of the latter option, because neither of you could walk away from another insult or beat up session, which you encounter here on an almost permanent basis. ('Cause you both secretly enjoy it, right?).

I'll even extend my offer regarding shipping yourself to Iraq. I'm willing to kick in some cash to pay the freight. I'm sure I won't be short of offers from others eager to do the same.

Boo Hoo, I'm not a TooL fan in Submachine's eyes.....thanks for the compliment.

I'm not apologising to YOU. For that to happen I'd have to be more fucked up than the guy in Rosetta Stoned (which is a great song from start to finish, by the way).

Finally, I won't be learning my lesson or taking any advice from somebody who can't even spell Daedalus.

It's safe to assume you're not a diabetic, because you miss the point so often that if you were you'd be dead by now...

Superior to you, at the very least. :)

And here's why:

1. I don't have the need to use the term "us" when referring to myself.

2. I never foolishly predicted something 'fabulous' was going to happen 6/6/06

3. When something didn't happen on 6/6/06, I didn't change my opinion on 10000 Days because of that ridiculously false prediction.

[QUOTE=submachine] To put it another way, Rosetta Stoned will bore a crowd for the first 7 minutes, as they wait for the last 4 minutes. [QUOTE=submachine]

Horseshit - the song smoked in its entirety - as did all the tracks from 10K Days... you haven't seen any of the current tour have you?

I think you're going to be dining on a heaping plate of crow when you do...

"Whenever a person finds it necessary to claim superiority, it is more often than not because in actuality they are expressing their own feeling of inferiority".

A quote from your buddy Dawkins. I thought you would have known this already.

Something DID happen on 06/06/06. I located an old Tool bootleg album with some demo and live tracks on it. I'd never heard these versions before, so for me I experienced new Tool that day (No, not like the new Tool you go looking for in certain bars on a Friday or Saturday night).

Going back and listening to the early stuff, in fact all of the albums from beginning to end, helped me on my journey to enlightenment. My realisation that 10,000 Days is as good as all of their other albums. (See, I don't have to rate the albums from best to worst, or apply percentages. All the albums are brilliant. There are just a few songs across the entire discography that I don't like).

They don't? Man, that means I'll have to make a formal apology too...

Well done, by the way. These guys deserve listeners that are willing to give it a chance.

See, he takes what he likes and discards the rest as if it didnt exist. This is how he is able to be better than everyone else!

Cool. Glad you can enjoy it!

Wow, it really does. That's actually pretty mind blowing...

Understandable. That's why this thread exists. I'm admitting I was wrong.

BUT, the part about how I suddenly love the album because I know there's nothing else coming out is completely untrue. Whether anybody believes that or not is their choice. If I wanted to seek glory or attention I wouldn't be trying to obtain it in here. (And I mean no offence by that.)

I'm happy. Whether that's because I'm a dimwit, or whether it's because I unconsciously created a scenario whereby it became possible for me to peacefully place 10,000 Days next to the rest of Tool's albums, doesn't really matter. And the third possibility? That I simply needed time to fully absorb and appreciate the album? Probably this more than any other. In the end it's irrelevant.

I'm no longer agonising over whether I like it or not. Can everybody else say the same?

Really, all you have to do to not agonize over it is do what submachine did. Break it down into "good" songs and "bad" songs. In this elementary style of classification, the need to see a big picture is diminished and you can concentrate on individual songs!

exactly, pretend its that three day's grace cd you like so much

I beg to differ. I've never said I've been tormented by this album. I've never said that I don't like or enjoy this album. I have never been insulted by anyone here. You're the only one that has ever tried to take me on (defending your position that in some way, there would be another album on 6/6/6).

The brutal truth is, I just don't need a decoder ring to figure this, or any other album out. I have a revelation for you: it's just music. You put it on and after a few spins you pretty much know if you like it or you don't. The very fact that I could predict what your "all new and updated" response to this album would be post 6/6/6 (on June 7th), shows how cookie cutter you are.

And about some people never understanding: let me see here... you need two months and some posts about how you don't like the album and expect more, before you realize that no, you actually like the album, you just didn't give it enough time to let it sink in. It's all about integrity, honesty, etc. etc. It's actually all about it just being a record. That's it. No major mental states involved. You just insert and press play. If you happen to put the disc in fairly often, you probably like it. If you find that you don't reach for it after a couple of days and instead put on say, Shogun Kunitoki's "Tasankokaiku," then you probably don't enjoy the album.

OK, you're 14 right? That *might* explain everything. Evidently, you're still trying to learn the english language. Please tell me that you realize that Dedalus is a more common spelling than Daedalus? Haven't gotten past Dr. Seuss on your reading list and made it to Joyce yet?

I have a revelation for you: Music in it's true form, a means of communication, is never just arranged sound.

Just thought you would like to hear that, since we seem to be sharing revelations now :)

After 2000 Hail Mary's you'll be absolved of your sin . . . go!

Both of your posts are excellent and thousands of others would echo your sentiments if they read your comments and followed through with what they need to do. You're right, there is SO much going on in every song that it takes a month or more and 50+ listens to even begin to understand the scope of it all. And there has to be an inherent willingness within each detractor of 10K Days to LISTEN closer. Many who have already turned a deaf ear aren't likely retrievable. But many are and I urge all of you who are convinced that 10K Days is shit to heed deuce's recommendations. This band stimulates parts of my brain that have never been tickled by any other music in 40+ years of listenting to (and playing) all types of music that exist. Seeing them for the first of nine times in 1993 on the side stage at Lollapalooza I could have never fathomed them getting to this point, but I've stayed on their ride and they're here. Despite the fact that they may not be as rich as they could be with their minute cut of every CD they sell, they have stayed true to themselves and that is why we as fans get to enjoy this awesome music. And whether Adam and Maynard look like it or not, they ARE having a good time bringing their music to you in a live setting. With every show, every knocked-out audience, every new platinum album, their legend grows and grows. It has been fun to be a part of. And now as we watch the years go by, we don't want to ever see it end. Because those of us who know and feel it realize there will never be another band like this in our lifetime. And as Deuceman says, I'm so glad to be alive (and aware) while they are in this (hopefully) two-plus decade period of creating some of the best music ever. They are the Mozarts and Beethovens of rock and roll!! Hail TOOL and ignore the naysayers. Hell, I can remember (back in the Undertow days) when the crowds would be yelling in unison before TOOL came on "cause you're a dumbass belligerent fucker..." Those were the days and so are these. Everyone enjoy!!!

True.

It's so annoying when some people think they know what they like and dislike so easily. Music is not "just" music, if it is true art. There is communication and a shared vision that is taking place.

Many of you have been warped by the i-Pod generation to think that songs are just songs, and they don't mean anything or aren't important. It's just another example of how corporations have turned many of you into shallow shells of humanity.

Many have bought into the idea that if they don't "like" something at face value, it must mean its not up to their standards, as if they were some sort of ultimate judge at what is good and bad. To look at music in this American Idol-ish way, is disgusting.

It is entirely possible for someone to really hate an album, and then "see the light" the way deuceman has described. Nobody should be knocking him down for coming out and admitting it.

You did buy the CD right?

Why the hell would you put effort into listening to MPeePee's?
You have a Fucking CD for god's sake, USE IT!!!

Not trying to offend, just enlighten. MP3's are only good for their convenience and should not be taken seriously as a playback medium. They are disposible 1's and 0's That sound like ass.

If you can't hear the difference...........



I feel sorry for you.



I will however say that your interpretation of a good listening environment is pretty damn good. Just do yourself a favor and go buy a Portable CD player. They sound better, and are cheaper than MP3 players.

If you are playing .wav files from the MP3 player......... Ignore this post. ;)

You located an old TooL bootleg because you had plenty of time to absorb the fact that nothing happened on 6/6/6, nothing you predicted happened. The only one with any accurate predictions here is dedalus who predicted your flip-flop. And since that was your defining moment, youre probably just going to flip-flop again, and again, and again

Man, this thread was simply an honest, joyous celebration of someone seeing things in music he hadn't seen before, with peaceful discussion to follow. I had hoped this thread was going to include more neutral discussion and would not degenerate into ANOTHER "This album is better than that album because that album sucks" bashing thread.

Then posts 20 and 21 happened.

So predictable...

...and pathetic. I have no problems with someone coming out and saying they warmed up to an album that they didn't like so much before. However, it's when that someone is a person who spearheaded threads detailing his thoughts on some great and amazing new album theory (re: 6/6/6) comes out and says this sort of thing that I call wanker. It's so clear that his revelation can only be attributed to the fact that nothing happened on that date and he's frantic to find something he loves about an album that he didn't think was so groundbreaking before. Talk about deluding yourself.

I have never compared this album to any of the others in this thread. If that's a reference to submachine, and since a few are so quick to put us in the same league... I've gotta say, at least submachine and I seem to have better spelling and grammar than 99% of the people around here. Curious...

It's always great when someone writes a smart-ass reply with terrible spelling, grammar and punctuation. Doesn't quite have the same intended effect.

Well, my "so predictable" was playing off what you said but it was more in reference to how threads on these boards seem to fall into this same tired back-and-forth. It's not a direct insult to you, so I apologize if that was the way it was taken.

But how can you REALLY be sure that that's what changed his mind? I am not familiar with whatever prior rantings the OP might have given about the 6/6/6 date but from reading his initial post I didn't get the feeling he was merely falling back on plan B.

And I'm not familiar enough with your viewpoints to know if I cannot stand you, but I am sure that submachine is the most hard-headed, uncompromising venom spewer on these boards. The funny thing is he probably takes that as a compliment. So I'm sorry for putting you in his league; it's just that it was your guys' posts that changed the direction of this thread for what I believe to be the worse.

And I hope that your comment about spelling and grammar wasn't pointed at me. I tend to be pretty lax on this board with such things but I hope my English minor didn't completely go to waste.

Hmm, you might be on to something there. I'm not 14 but I've been reading Dr Seuss to my 4 year old daughter. I don't think she's ready for Joyce yet.

In true cookie cutter and thus predictable fashion, I'm ready to quit trading insults with you. I have my views, you have yours. I'm happy to leave it at that.

After this weekend i also FINALLY gave 10k days the proper listen it deserved and i have to say its brilliant.

Ive liked it all along but now it's getting there up with Lateralus and Aenima.


I think rosetta stoned is probably close to my favourite tool track ever.

No, I'm finished with the flip-flop, thanks. Unless, of course, you need it in order to keep feeding that dark, empty, rancid little place you call your soul...

It's getting up there for me, too.

It's 10,000 Days' gift that keeps on giving.

All is good. No harm meant and no harm taken.


Agreed. I bury my hatchet here.

beautifui words
thanks for sharing

glad another one has seen the light. very well said. fucking new tool. nuff said.

Hit the nail on the head. Glad you are in the same place as me with this. And it's nice to hear from somebody of a similar generation!

Yeah, it would have been nice if it had stayed on topic. I'm partly to blame for pushing back when I should have just ignored the cynics and detractors.

It's a bit like a public swimming pool. You can jump in and have a great time with everybody else but there's always some filthy bastard who pisses in the water...

That explains why I woke up with a fucking headache...

(joke)

Now, about this album. I'm having second thoughts, especially after reading that something special might be happening on....

('nother joke)

Submachine, care to step this way and bury that hatchet? I'll even let you choose the spot.

(partial joke)

Sure, I'll bury it between your two opposing opinions

:)

Sometimes that's what it's all about. A nice breakthrough in the appreciation. Tool can't and won't let us down. That's the beauty of being a fan.

you're the predictable one. you and submachine have ruined a perfectly cool thread.

what's more predictable than that?

nothing.

it's not even worth mentioning this to you, because you're one of those people that has their head so far up their ass they think EVERYONE smells like shit.

The rest of us don't live in that kind of filth emotionally, mentally, spiritually. Just because you do, doesn't mean that WE all do. You won't convince the rest of us to join you in shitland.

You and submachine enjoy Anus a little too much for your own good I guess. ENJOY!