Originally Posted by justify_denials

Another layer to lyrics are clearly stating the flaws and bullshit of religion.....

"Ignorant fibbers in the congregation
Gather around spewing sympathy,
Spare me.
None of them can even hold a candle up to you.
Blinded by choices, hypocrites won't [seek / see]."

If these religous idiots can't even hold candle to you then how are they going to enlighten you with their religous beliefs, their dogma. How is religion for that matter going to enlighten you? They spew bullshit about sympathy, they don't even know what their talking about. They only want sympathy for themselves, greedy selfish religous fucks. And it's all true, what happens when you are in a very religous family and you announce you don't believe in the religion? You are banished (their way of keeping the shitty religion alive and shoving it down your throat.....sort of like converting other ethnics to christianity, only way to keep a bullshit religion alive...the mexicans suffered this bullshit), even your own family does not love you or feel sympathy for you (Been way to hogwashed, their way or no way). You are not enlightened by them, after all you are banished (Your better off, go read some books, study philosophy, kill all christians [or just blow up churches] and start a better new religion that is up to modern time beliefs [christianity is old, and the way people live now don't live like we did 1000 years ago].....fuck religion?) Then again, if you were not, then what comes of it? Your family spews bullshit of how god has sympathy for you? Sure, maybe god would have sympathy for because you may not be smart enough to leave the fucking stupid religion in the first place.

Fuck religion.

Originally Posted by Esurient4Truth

are you a monk?

Originally Posted by jevons

No he's just an idiot.

Originally Posted by Esurient4Truth

are you a monk?

Originally Posted by exiledvoid

I don't know if this has been discussed but people are pretty set on the song being all about MJK's mother Judith and I know it isn't. I thought the same thing the first time I heard this song with all that I knew about Tool but I introduced a person to Tool who heard something completly different and now I hear it too.

Originally Posted by leefnaspleaf

This theroy isn't THAT stupid, and I'll tell you guys why:

This whole album is about duality, a concept pretty well embodied by the idea of the masculine versus the feminine. Even the very first song can be interpretted as a description of how Satan himself emanates from God (not to mention the song length is 6:66,) so why wouldn't it make sense to turn the whole idea ninety degrees and talk about duality in terms of Mary Magdelene (gnosticism) versus "The congregation" (the more patriarchal interpretations of Christianity) Wouldn't it make sense, then, for him to reference the other, related forms of duality that pervade the rest of the album, such as God and Lucifer? That doesn't necessarily mean that maynard is equating gnosticism to lucifer either; he's just evoking the cultural preconceptions that relate the two ideas.

Also, whether it was intentional or not, I think Justify denials' posts were at least thematically related to the subject at hand, and you all should cut him a break (I can't believe I just said that.)

Originally Posted by cwalker

I'm not going to claim to know what the song is all about. In fact I believe the best songs are interpreted in a variety of ways, which we have definitely seen in this forum. The writer of the song probably has very personal reasons for producing what we hear, but does not want anyone near the real truth behind the song. In fact I think it ruins it if we are told exactly what it's all about. The listener can then take his own personal journey.

That said, there is one little bit of information I haven't seen mentioned (perhaps it was but I am new here so forgive me if this is old), that Jesus' time on earth as a mortal man was approximately 10K days.

Originally Posted by CaseLogic

Whi

First off, the whole 10K days reference, = ~27 years, the length of time his mom was paralyzed before passing away. Also, you're completely disregarding the whole first part of the song (Wings for MARIE), which is, in my opinion, clearly about his mom passing away.

Originally Posted by AguirreWrathOfTool

Oh, how out of context you are. Do you even pay attention to anything? Ever?


Clues that the meaning of the piece you "know" is right is actually not:

-The piece of music is comprised of two sections, of which 10,000 Days is only one. The first one is called "Wings for Marie." Now Lucifer has had many names and pseudonyms over the years, but Marie is definitely not one of them. And no his mother is not a metaphor for Lucifer, because that would be terrible writing that wouldn't make sense.
-The attitude of this piece toward its subject is one of deep respect and admiration. If you had listened to the rest of the album you would know that all other references to Lucifer are not so flattering:
"The Devil and his had me down...but you changed that all for me, lifted me up turned me round" (Jambi)
...And how about the ending, where Legion (the demon Jesus casts out in the New Testament, who said it was one of many, i.e. legions of Hell, legions of Lucifer, etc.) is basically verbally bitch-slapped: "Silence, Legion! Save your poison! Silence, Legion! Stay out of my way!"

-Listen to the commentary for the Judith video on aMotion, in which he goes into more detail about the "ignorant fibbers in the congregation."

-Oh yeah, and, you know, common sense. It could not be more about his mother. It's certainly an entertaining theory, but anyone can interpret anything any way they want and make it sound halfway plausible. But there is absolutely nothing, I repeat, ABOLUTELY NOTHING in the form of textual evidence or statements from the artists themselves that would even remotely suggest something as absolutely ludicrous as your interpretation.



It's ok to have an opinion, but when you say things like "I know it isn't"...then it's just an open invitation for people to write back and comment on the sheer absurdity of what you just wrote.

Originally Posted by CaseLogic

While I'm not going to flame you because you clearly put some time and thought into this, I just don't see it man. The song is pretty clearly about his mom.

First off, the whole 10K days reference, = ~27 years, the length of time his mom was paralyzed before passing away. Also, you're completely disregarding the whole first part of the song (Wings for MARIE), which is, in my opinion, clearly about his mom passing away.

Also, the song is sung with so much emotion that it wouldn't even make sense to be about some song about Satan... speaking of which, I still don't think I fully grasped your theory, something about Satan rising up though.

Actually the more I read it, the more your theory makes no sense to me. Nice try, I suppose, but it's just so obviously about his mom that it's not funny.

Originally Posted by leefnaspleaf

This theroy isn't THAT stupid, and I'll tell you guys why:

This whole album is about duality, a concept pretty well embodied by the idea of the masculine versus the feminine. Even the very first song can be interpretted as a description of how Satan himself emanates from God (not to mention the song length is 6:66,) so why wouldn't it make sense to turn the whole idea ninety degrees and talk about duality in terms of Mary Magdelene (gnosticism) versus "The congregation" (the more patriarchal interpretations of Christianity) Wouldn't it make sense, then, for him to reference the other, related forms of duality that pervade the rest of the album, such as God and Lucifer? That doesn't necessarily mean that maynard is equating gnosticism to lucifer either; he's just evoking the cultural preconceptions that relate the two ideas.

Originally Posted by leefnaspleaf

That's funny because I had a very similar experience.

Originally Posted by CaseLogic

While I'm not going to flame you because you clearly put some time and thought into this

Originally Posted by 10 000 Days = 1 + 1

Hello,

My opinion about this song is that it affects me on a very personal level.

You see, the entire puropose of Tool is to act as a mouthpiece for May Nerd James to speak to the one man who is meant, through music, to communicate to the human race the methods for us to survive beyond the test on December 21, 2012. This man may very well be related to the original Jesus seeing as how often he speaks about him in song. This man has not shown himself yet because his powers have been smothered by an unrequited love for his biological mother, Judith. Because Judith is the man's mother, and he is the one to lead us to "Zion" she also gets the name "Marie" like Mary, mother of Jesus. Now, this man, can not even begin to start to metamorphose into himself until Judith Marie gets her wings, ie. dies. When this occurs, the "hero" will lead us to "Zion" the place where positive music will fill the air and the collective spirit will overpower the combined hate and negativity of the black army led by evil men bent on destruction. 10 000 days is approximately the age of this man when his mother is set to pass aways (god willing).
(This explanation may seen quite abstract. It is simply my interpretation :)

Originally Posted by sylph

10 000 days is approximately the age of this man when his mother is set to pass aways (god willing).