"Hyrule asked the best
Jebodiah to believe in
Angels in bahama men
But pull your hair on out your negliger and give a system
Sudden masks of slaying you pretend
The humolous is fossil
Some will turn to dust
DiMarzio to the fight
So will risk
So will saw they're skin!"

Lmao that's hilarious

terry, you could be right about hippie haze.


i still like fragile though.

Glad you lost at last your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men
Pull your hand on out to Opiate and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again.

:)

That actually sounds really good too.

That's what I mean. There are so many possibilitys, that would pass, but only one 100% correct sounding thing.

what i think is cool is how each person interprets these lyrics really reflects on their personality. you hear what you know.

Exactly. I like to let different ideas make sense too as long as it fits context, rhythm, and sometimes grammar. Grammar can slip because poets and lyricists make up their own sentences and words sometimes. :P

It is true that people interpret what they want to hear though. It happens all the time.

Wait what?

Neither of those lines is on any song in Ænima...

In Eulogy the line is "For your sins and your lies".
In Hooker With A Penis the line is "From '92, the first EP." (he sings it as "Back from 92, from the first EP")

Yeah, I know.

That was my point.

Maynard did a lot of weird speaking. Making it sound like what I said, get what I meant? ;P

Creduloused?

I don't think that's even a word...

I never heard those things, this is why I suggested you stop guessing lyrics.

I think he says "Incredulous at best your desire to believe in".

wrong again!

Check again, doogie; it makes no sense.

Credulous=Believable, plausable
Incredulous= Unbelievable, unlikely, unbelieving

Figure it out from there.....

^ Not quite.

CREDIBLE=Believable, plausable
INCREDIBLE=Unbelievable, unlikely

Credulous/Incredulous refers to a persons tendency to believe what they hear.

(Song lyric="Credulous...")

MJK is using Credulous ironically. Is that only apparent to me and spacemonkeyadb?

I think people who opt for "Incredulous at best..." don't understand the word and think it means something like "incredible", i.e. It's INCREDIBLE that you would choose to believe in angels in the hearts of men.

As I said above, "(in)credulous" refers to a tendency to (dis)believe what one hears, so the only lyric that makes sense is "CREDULOUS at best..."
In this context at least, "credulous" would be similar in meaning to "gullible", i.e. You are, at best, rather gullible for believing in angels in the hearts of men.

^

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The whole song is an indictment on mankinds' collective need for violence, mayhem, and death, as long as it's "much better you than I", yet we still want to believe in angels?
I don't buy it. The whole point is we've, as a race, abandoned such beliefs and given over to our baser animal desires, hence "incredulous". If you don't believe it, check out Stinkfist or 3rd Eye!

We agree then!

No. The song is pointing out that our desire to witness the suffering of others is part of our nature, sickening as it is. Hence, anyone who believes in "angels in the hearts of men" is wrong for doing so.

In any case, "Incredulous at best, your desire to believe in..." just doesn't make sense. It's pretty much a flat contradiction. Go back and read the definitions posted above.
It would mean: Your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men reveals your tendency not to believe things.

Frown out your one face, but with the other....

Unbelievable at best (i.e. dishonest, hypocritical) your desire (apparent wish) to believe in angels in the hearts of men....

This part, all the way to "shouldn't have to say it all again..." is very specifically aimed at the listener as a warning/reminder that watching doesn't exclude you from participation..

The line "the universe is hostile,..." confirms this, i.e. you too could be be devoured and "feed the tragedy'....

"Incredulous" does *NOT* mean "unbelievable".

This isn't a question of interpretation, it's a simple matter of knowing what words mean.
"Incredulous at best your desire to believe in..." is contradictory and makes no sense in and of itself, regardless of any further context.

Yup.

Um, yes it does.

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=incredulous

^ Just checked your link, and it proves me right...

S: (adj) incredulous (not disposed or willing to believe; unbelieving)

A strange event is UNBELIEVABLE; A person can be unbelieving or INCREDULOUS

So I'll say it one more time and see if it sinks in...

"Incredulous" does *NOT* mean "unbelievable".

I see. I misunderstood the definition.

Actually my post was in reference to the previous one, to see if this guy realizes he's saying something like:
"It's Credulous"
"No! It's Credulous!"
I guess I wasn't clear enough. But from what I've read, you're handling it all pretty well, so I'll let you do your magic...

How, from the definition provided, are you getting a double positive meaning, i.e." it's credulous, no it's credulous "?(not disposed or willing to believe; unbelieving) What I said still holds true, even if my previous post used "unbelievable". Either "credulous" or "incredulous" would work, but given the general negative, warning type vibe to the song, "incredulous" seems to fit better to me.

Now, from the same link;
# S: (adj) credulous (disposed to believe on little evidence) "the gimmick would convince none but the most credulous"
# S: (adj) credulous (showing a lack of judgment or experience) "so credulous he believes everything he reads"

While these definitions support the previously mentioned interpretations, calling the listener "gullible" in the context of the song doesn't add up. By saying so, what you'd be saying is that you thrive on violence, etc.., but believe in angels, or human capacity to behave as one. That is the definition of contradiction!;
# S: (n) contradiction (opposition between two conflicting forces or ideas)
# S: (n) contradiction, contradiction in terms ((logic) a statement that is necessarily false) "the statement `he is brave and he is not brave' is a contradiction"
# S: (n) contradiction (the speech act of contradicting someone) "he spoke as if he thought his claims were immune to contradiction"

Ok, listen to the song again. It does not say Incredulous.

Second, here's what I understand when I or the person I'm talking to uses the word Credulous: ready to believe especially on slight or uncertain evidence. Like when someone says to me, "dude, I believe in flying pigs", I reply, "dud, that's credulous of you", or, "You're so credulous!". Well, that really is not a dialog I've ever had, but that's what I would reply.

It's hard for me to understand why you would be fighting the most common use of the word credulous. I feel that when you really understand the meaning and use of the word credulous, incredulous does not sound right...

It's precisely in this part of the song where the song changes face, telling you to get your head out of your ass, and stop living a vicarious existence...

Iota, exactly! But he's calling the listener out for being a hypocrite, or presenting a falsehood (desire to believe in..etc...) In that context, credulous/gullible makes less sense than incredulous/unbelieving.....

The whole tone of the song is accusatory, and that mankind has lost touch with his "angelic" nature.

No, not at all.

Throughout the song he is trying to CONVINCE us that he thrives on violence(...coz tradgedy thrills ME...) and then that, contrary to what we may believe, all the rest of us do to (...YOU all need it too, don't lie...). He is trying to CONVINCE us that this is a part of our nature, and that we are MISTAKEN if we think otherwise by believing in "angels in the hearts of men".

There is no contradiction in my believing in the intrinsic goodness of humanity if I am NOT AWARE of the way we all feed on the misfortunes of others.

And if you now understand the meaning of "incredulous", how can you think it still makes sense? "Incredulous (NOT disposed to believe things) at best, your DESIRE TO BELIEVE..."?????

Unbelieving, your desire to believe...?

Precisely. That's why it's credulous. He's accusing the listener for being credulous ;)
This is the part that I still don't get. I mean, your argument here works just as well for credulous! Check it out:

But he's calling the listener out for being a hypocrite, or presenting a falsehood (desire to believe in..etc...) In that context, incredulous/unbelieving makes less sense than credulous/gullible.....

I QUIT!

Sorry 'bout your breasts Iota...As I said before, both could work, and until the good Reverend posts his scribbles, we won't know, but it's been fun. Actually, gramatically, neither word works, but it's been fun....

Peace!

:P

I vote for credulous(ed).

Well, I don't care. If anyone doesn't get my joke and thinks I'm stupid therefore (or takes what I meant as a joke and says "I never heard it that way" I don't care, I will keep on guessing Tool lyrics.