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05-17-2006, 11:36 AM
i agree with the previous few posts indicating that there is such a thing as overanalyzation (or in some of your cases, being overly anal).
just because it's funny doesn't mean it's a joke.
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i agree with the previous few posts indicating that there is such a thing as overanalyzation (or in some of your cases, being overly anal).
just because it's funny doesn't mean it's a joke.
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05-17-2006, 07:27 PM
I don't think it's a joke at all. I think it conveys a scenario that is relatively funny to most of us, but not in the sense that it is intended to be a joke out-right like, say, 'The Gaping Lotus Experience' for example.
It deals with a topic that I personally find to be quite humorous, but also something I have a distinct interest in. Alien abduction tales are entertaining to me. The fact that people who get extremely loaded on particular substances do indeed have a frequent feeling of suddenly being able to comprehend the grandest of universal truths only to lose their grasp on those concepts as they start to come down. I'll gladly listen to a song about such things. It's appealing to me, and I'm more than happy to be entertained by it.
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I don't think it's a joke at all. I think it conveys a scenario that is relatively funny to most of us, but not in the sense that it is intended to be a joke out-right like, say, 'The Gaping Lotus Experience' for example.
It deals with a topic that I personally find to be quite humorous, but also something I have a distinct interest in. Alien abduction tales are entertaining to me. The fact that people who get extremely loaded on particular substances do indeed have a frequent feeling of suddenly being able to comprehend the grandest of universal truths only to lose their grasp on those concepts as they start to come down. I'll gladly listen to a song about such things. It's appealing to me, and I'm more than happy to be entertained by it.
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I dunno, this song is weird for me... at first I didn't like it, now it's top 2 or 3 on the album for me... but certainly not the best of the best when it comes to Tool songs.
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I dunno, this song is weird for me... at first I didn't like it, now it's top 2 or 3 on the album for me... but certainly not the best of the best when it comes to Tool songs.
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I'm really suprised no one has thought that the subject matter is suprisingly similar to that of "Faaip De Oiad" off of Lateralus, (worker at Area 51 and all that). There, and I've said this before, is the theory that this album could be taken as an extention of some sort of the Lateralus album. I think that "Wings" and "10,000 Days" take weight away from the theory, but I belive this song adds some weight to it because of the similarities to some of the Lateralus tracks, and the Lateralus subject matter.
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I'm really suprised no one has thought that the subject matter is suprisingly similar to that of "Faaip De Oiad" off of Lateralus, (worker at Area 51 and all that). There, and I've said this before, is the theory that this album could be taken as an extention of some sort of the Lateralus album. I think that "Wings" and "10,000 Days" take weight away from the theory, but I belive this song adds some weight to it because of the similarities to some of the Lateralus tracks, and the Lateralus subject matter.
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Wow, good one chief. I think the whole song sounds like Aenima because it has a high-hat in it.
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Wow, good one chief. I think the whole song sounds like Aenima because it has a high-hat in it.
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I'm in total disbelief. You guys all love this song? Seriously? You're really not seeing all the key parts to this song that have been completely taken from other tool songs? Really? Or is it that you just don't care? Yes, I’ve seen all the threads noting "similarities" between songs. But that's not quite accurate. Because these aren't similarities, they're blatant rip-offs.
The first time I heard this song, I loved it. It was my favorite on the album. Then I listened to it again, and noticed how many parts of it were DIRECTLY taken from other tool songs, most notably Third Eye. Then I looked at the ridiculous joke lyrics. Wow, was I ever let down. Sure they're funny, but of course then I know it's a joke song. Even if the lyrics seem to be making a connection to the excerpt at the beginning of third eye (today a young man on acid...) it still doesn't seem justified. So, of course I was irritated at the fact that instead of getting a new fresh 11 minute epic song, Tool put a total joke song on the album. Granted, on it's own, disregarding everything that makes this wrong, the song is pretty good. But I’d prefer something new, something that hasn't been recycled, and something that's not a joke. When I looked at the forums, I expected to see a million threads of people saying exactly what I'm thinking. Turns out I'm just about the only one....how about that. I look at the forums, and find out everyone thinks this is the most original and best tool song ever. At which point I become slightly ashamed I'm a tool fan.
As a musician, guitar player, and sober person, let me take you on a very short and obvious journey to why this song isn't original. Instead of listing timing signatures or the notes being played, I’m just going to list the times. Listen to them side by side, and please, try to tell me you don't see how identical they are. Don't just dismiss what I'm saying, try to listen to what I’ve listened one after the other. Don't be trying to prove me wrong, just listen. And don't try to link the parts to what comes before or after, listen to them for what they are.
Rosetta Stoned 0:00-0:18 compared to H 0:00-0:21
Rosetta Stoned 2:25-2:45 compared to The Patient 4:42-5:14
Rosetta Stoned 3:00-3:50 compared to third Eye 9:55-11:17
Rosetta Stoned 6:04-7:04 compared to H 3:30-4:26
Rosetta Stoned 7:45-8:20 compared to The Grudge 7:38-8:03
And I'm pretty sure there's more. If that doesn't show you, I really don't know what to say. It's too profound to ignore: Rosetta Stoned is largely compiled of previously used riffs.
I refuse to believe that Tool would just recycle all these riffs. Taking the lyrics, it's easy to see how this song would be a joke. Add in all these lifted riffs. Add in all the fans thinking this is the most amazing and original tool song ever. Add in the sense of humor of the band.
"Hey, Adam!"
"Yeah Maynard?"
"Remember when we wrote that song using riffs from all our old songs, and made it about aliens? And everyone thought it was the greatest song ever?"
"Yeah, that was fucking hilarious!"
Don't get me wrong, I like the song. It's pretty damn cool. Too bad it's just a joke, and it uses riffs from at least four other tool songs, and the song was made as a complete joke. And so many people bought into it. There are even all these "Rosetta Stoned or Third Eye" threads. How can Rosetta Stoned be better then Third Eye if Rosetta Stoned is just a cheap rip-off?
Come on. You're taking a person saying "God damn, shit the bed!" as the greatest piece of music ever written. You really think it isn't a joke? I'm amazed.
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If you have any kind of a musical ear you'll be able to tell that the parts you pointed out aren't the same. I went and listened to each and every example you gave. Its about like comparing jimmy to third eye or all the songs off of opiate to each other. I think you've totally missed the point and feeling of this song if you just dismiss it as a ripoff and a joke.
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I'm in total disbelief. You guys all love this song? Seriously? You're really not seeing all the key parts to this song that have been completely taken from other tool songs? Really? Or is it that you just don't care? Yes, I’ve seen all the threads noting "similarities" between songs. But that's not quite accurate. Because these aren't similarities, they're blatant rip-offs.
The first time I heard this song, I loved it. It was my favorite on the album. Then I listened to it again, and noticed how many parts of it were DIRECTLY taken from other tool songs, most notably Third Eye. Then I looked at the ridiculous joke lyrics. Wow, was I ever let down. Sure they're funny, but of course then I know it's a joke song. Even if the lyrics seem to be making a connection to the excerpt at the beginning of third eye (today a young man on acid...) it still doesn't seem justified. So, of course I was irritated at the fact that instead of getting a new fresh 11 minute epic song, Tool put a total joke song on the album. Granted, on it's own, disregarding everything that makes this wrong, the song is pretty good. But I’d prefer something new, something that hasn't been recycled, and something that's not a joke. When I looked at the forums, I expected to see a million threads of people saying exactly what I'm thinking. Turns out I'm just about the only one....how about that. I look at the forums, and find out everyone thinks this is the most original and best tool song ever. At which point I become slightly ashamed I'm a tool fan.
As a musician, guitar player, and sober person, let me take you on a very short and obvious journey to why this song isn't original. Instead of listing timing signatures or the notes being played, I’m just going to list the times. Listen to them side by side, and please, try to tell me you don't see how identical they are. Don't just dismiss what I'm saying, try to listen to what I’ve listened one after the other. Don't be trying to prove me wrong, just listen. And don't try to link the parts to what comes before or after, listen to them for what they are.
Rosetta Stoned 0:00-0:18 compared to H 0:00-0:21
Rosetta Stoned 2:25-2:45 compared to The Patient 4:42-5:14
Rosetta Stoned 3:00-3:50 compared to third Eye 9:55-11:17
Rosetta Stoned 6:04-7:04 compared to H 3:30-4:26
Rosetta Stoned 7:45-8:20 compared to The Grudge 7:38-8:03
And I'm pretty sure there's more. If that doesn't show you, I really don't know what to say. It's too profound to ignore: Rosetta Stoned is largely compiled of previously used riffs.
I refuse to believe that Tool would just recycle all these riffs. Taking the lyrics, it's easy to see how this song would be a joke. Add in all these lifted riffs. Add in all the fans thinking this is the most amazing and original tool song ever. Add in the sense of humor of the band.
"Hey, Adam!"
"Yeah Maynard?"
"Remember when we wrote that song using riffs from all our old songs, and made it about aliens? And everyone thought it was the greatest song ever?"
"Yeah, that was fucking hilarious!"
Don't get me wrong, I like the song. It's pretty damn cool. Too bad it's just a joke, and it uses riffs from at least four other tool songs, and the song was made as a complete joke. And so many people bought into it. There are even all these "Rosetta Stoned or Third Eye" threads. How can Rosetta Stoned be better then Third Eye if Rosetta Stoned is just a cheap rip-off?
Come on. You're taking a person saying "God damn, shit the bed!" as the greatest piece of music ever written. You really think it isn't a joke? I'm amazed.
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the weapons we posses
that unveil so much..so much of the familar
so much of the known, just a deeper understanding of it all
such a brilliant song totally mind blowing
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the weapons we posses
that unveil so much..so much of the familar
so much of the known, just a deeper understanding of it all
such a brilliant song totally mind blowing
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05-18-2006, 01:40 AM
I rekon this song as the worst on the album.
I mean, i hold this song as better than Aenima, and perhaps as good as Undertow and Lateralus, which says a lot for me... But i find this song a serious weak point.
I dont think its a joke song, i think its a bad song... i rekon it perhaps would have made an alright filler, but an 11 minute track!!??? with a 3 minute intro!!??
To me the lyrics are shalow, drug songs, and everythign to do with them, have been done before. The riffs arn't any of them amazing, and perhaps a little re-hashed.
I would also like to ask if you are serious...
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I rekon this song as the worst on the album.
I mean, i hold this song as better than Aenima, and perhaps as good as Undertow and Lateralus, which says a lot for me... But i find this song a serious weak point.
I dont think its a joke song, i think its a bad song... i rekon it perhaps would have made an alright filler, but an 11 minute track!!??? with a 3 minute intro!!??
To me the lyrics are shalow, drug songs, and everythign to do with them, have been done before. The riffs arn't any of them amazing, and perhaps a little re-hashed.
I would also like to ask if you are serious...
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I'm Sirius.
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I'm sure this has had a similar post somewhere, but I dont have the patience to read through everything...
It's a song by Tool - sounds like Tool, whether or not it sounds like a new song by them or an old song by them, it sounds like them. There are few bands out there that you can say they fit within their own realms... generally you associate bands with a genre... Tool is one of the few where you can say "Oh, that's Tool"... not, "oh, that sounds like..." They are a sound and a force that people inspire to sound like. Groundbreaking if you will... Similar to when you hear someone say "that sounds like Pink Floyd" or "That's got Floydish qualities".
Read Adam Jones' interview in Guitar World... he discusses how they are 4 individuals that allow each other to be creatively free and argue things down to what fits for a song... They dont always agree on the lyrics or even parts for that matter, but they compromise and it becomes the song it becomes. It's all a part of the process - and writing songs with 4 musically and technically savvy individuals that have great but different ideas takes a lot of ego swallowing and compromise... I think they handle it pretty awesomely <-- if thats a word.
A lot of things Maynard says can be taken with a grain of salt and/or completely serious - that's the beauty in many of his lyrics... and for me, the foundation of his message, the music, has never failed to deliver - whether or not I get a good laugh about myself (i.e. Hooker with a Penis, Die Eier Von Satan, Viginti Tres,etc.) or if I take away something meaningful for me to digest and decipher on my own (i.e. Third Eye, Flood, Opiate etc.).
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I'm sure this has had a similar post somewhere, but I dont have the patience to read through everything...
It's a song by Tool - sounds like Tool, whether or not it sounds like a new song by them or an old song by them, it sounds like them. There are few bands out there that you can say they fit within their own realms... generally you associate bands with a genre... Tool is one of the few where you can say "Oh, that's Tool"... not, "oh, that sounds like..." They are a sound and a force that people inspire to sound like. Groundbreaking if you will... Similar to when you hear someone say "that sounds like Pink Floyd" or "That's got Floydish qualities".
Read Adam Jones' interview in Guitar World... he discusses how they are 4 individuals that allow each other to be creatively free and argue things down to what fits for a song... They dont always agree on the lyrics or even parts for that matter, but they compromise and it becomes the song it becomes. It's all a part of the process - and writing songs with 4 musically and technically savvy individuals that have great but different ideas takes a lot of ego swallowing and compromise... I think they handle it pretty awesomely <-- if thats a word.
A lot of things Maynard says can be taken with a grain of salt and/or completely serious - that's the beauty in many of his lyrics... and for me, the foundation of his message, the music, has never failed to deliver - whether or not I get a good laugh about myself (i.e. Hooker with a Penis, Die Eier Von Satan, Viginti Tres,etc.) or if I take away something meaningful for me to digest and decipher on my own (i.e. Third Eye, Flood, Opiate etc.).
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I looked at the similiarities of Third Eye found in Rosetta Stoned to be sort of a cameo, if you will, to Third Eye. Like in TV shows they have certain characters show up as cameos. I thought that the same guitar playing from Third Eye was making sort of a cameo appearance in Rosetta Stoned. Also considering the similiar content of lyrics, this cameo is sort of a nod or hint at Third Eye. Well, thats my thoughts.
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Exactly...They are both definately about using Hallucinogens. To me Rosetta Stoned is the Bad Acid Trip. Before going into his story we find out he's in the hospital, he's lost his keys, and he won't speak to anyone. A lot of his thoughts are so random that making sense of the individual phrases isn't as important as just feeling his hysteria. Not once is there a moment close to... "we are all but one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves..." and yet both songs are about very similar subject matter. I hated this song at first. In fact the whole album let me down until my third or fourth listen. After seeing this song live it's very safe to say that it's not a joke. Anyways, enough rambling. this song is amazing, one day we will all agree on that.
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I looked at the similiarities of Third Eye found in Rosetta Stoned to be sort of a cameo, if you will, to Third Eye. Like in TV shows they have certain characters show up as cameos. I thought that the same guitar playing from Third Eye was making sort of a cameo appearance in Rosetta Stoned. Also considering the similiar content of lyrics, this cameo is sort of a nod or hint at Third Eye. Well, thats my thoughts.
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Exactly...They are both definately about using Hallucinogens. To me Rosetta Stoned is the Bad Acid Trip. Before going into his story we find out he's in the hospital, he's lost his keys, and he won't speak to anyone. A lot of his thoughts are so random that making sense of the individual phrases isn't as important as just feeling his hysteria. Not once is there a moment close to... "we are all but one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves..." and yet both songs are about very similar subject matter. I hated this song at first. In fact the whole album let me down until my third or fourth listen. After seeing this song live it's very safe to say that it's not a joke. Anyways, enough rambling. this song is amazing, one day we will all agree on that. |
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I love the irony of this song :)
On the particular day MJK wrote these lyrics; he had his pen.
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I love the irony of this song :)
On the particular day MJK wrote these lyrics; he had his pen.
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I love the irony of this song :)
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Not if he used a typewriter. Haha!
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I love the irony of this song :)
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I wasn't a big fan of this when I first heard it... now I'm loving it more and more with each listen. I thought it sounded like Third Eye first few listens, but now it sounds pretty unique.. I guess it's because the 'riff' is one of the first things you notice, and the underlying subtelties which really make this song good get noticed later.
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I wasn't a big fan of this when I first heard it... now I'm loving it more and more with each listen. I thought it sounded like Third Eye first few listens, but now it sounds pretty unique.. I guess it's because the 'riff' is one of the first things you notice, and the underlying subtelties which really make this song good get noticed later.
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Booooo.... One of the most original songs I've ever heard. It's original, whimsical, and one of my favorites on the album
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I suppose as one who's had to listen to somebody else's "I discovered the key to life" drug-enduced ramblings that end up making no sense whatsoever offers me a certain amount of appreciation for the song then. I think Maynard does a great job of capturing the confusion, excitement, and eventual devistation from losing one's grip on the alleged information.
I don't feel this kind of experience is exclusive to any one drug either, though I'm sure certain drugs would work better than others. Pretty much any sort of hallucinatory will do I would say. Or possibly just someone who's really drunk and/or really high or even just really sleep depravated. I myself have never been a drug user of any kind, yet I've had great moments of clarity while pushing myself to other physical extremes. In my cases as well, the moment of clarity fades the more focused I become in attempting to understand and retain it. It's a highly upsetting result. I freely admit I've never experienced the alien-abduction portion of the lyrics, or had friends dress up pretending to be aliens so they can anal rape me. Perhaps I'm not missing out all that much, or just don't have that great of friends. Take your pick.
As for the situation where I was observing somebody else attempt to explain their new-found understanding of life's ultimate meaning, I believe the person had used a couple mushrooms. As was par for the course too, he was also heavily intoxicated. So for those Beavis and Butthead types, let the re-enactments begin.
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I suppose as one who's had to listen to somebody else's "I discovered the key to life" drug-enduced ramblings that end up making no sense whatsoever offers me a certain amount of appreciation for the song then. I think Maynard does a great job of capturing the confusion, excitement, and eventual devistation from losing one's grip on the alleged information.
I don't feel this kind of experience is exclusive to any one drug either, though I'm sure certain drugs would work better than others. Pretty much any sort of hallucinatory will do I would say. Or possibly just someone who's really drunk and/or really high or even just really sleep depravated. I myself have never been a drug user of any kind, yet I've had great moments of clarity while pushing myself to other physical extremes. In my cases as well, the moment of clarity fades the more focused I become in attempting to understand and retain it. It's a highly upsetting result. I freely admit I've never experienced the alien-abduction portion of the lyrics, or had friends dress up pretending to be aliens so they can anal rape me. Perhaps I'm not missing out all that much, or just don't have that great of friends. Take your pick.
As for the situation where I was observing somebody else attempt to explain their new-found understanding of life's ultimate meaning, I believe the person had used a couple mushrooms. As was par for the course too, he was also heavily intoxicated. So for those Beavis and Butthead types, let the re-enactments begin.
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i've heard third eye countless times tabbed the base line. there are almost no similarities to the song. this is not recycled. it's completely new. they may have used similar riffs to old songs, but they're in a completely different light. and the similarities only occur because musicians tend to have a perfect view of music in their minds that gradually takes more and more shape over time. one thing i've learned as a composer is that it is completely moronic to throw away a good song because it sounds like something else. tool realized this, and because of it this is an original song. they didn't try to change certain riffs that sounded like old ones (and it's a stretch to compare them in the first place....)
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i've heard third eye countless times tabbed the base line. there are almost no similarities to the song. this is not recycled. it's completely new. they may have used similar riffs to old songs, but they're in a completely different light. and the similarities only occur because musicians tend to have a perfect view of music in their minds that gradually takes more and more shape over time. one thing i've learned as a composer is that it is completely moronic to throw away a good song because it sounds like something else. tool realized this, and because of it this is an original song. they didn't try to change certain riffs that sounded like old ones (and it's a stretch to compare them in the first place....)
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Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but suppose the references in this song to riffs, themes from other works is intended to represent the main character's brain buzzing and spinning with the information that 'they' gave to him (i.e. 'they' = tool, we are the main character, and the message can be summed up in all these other works by tool that are alluded to in this song).
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Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but suppose the references in this song to riffs, themes from other works is intended to represent the main character's brain buzzing and spinning with the information that 'they' gave to him (i.e. 'they' = tool, we are the main character, and the message can be summed up in all these other works by tool that are alluded to in this song).
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Is it so hard to get the lyrics correct? He might be saying If placed, but jesus fucking christ he says "as one would be" clear as fucking day.
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Is it so hard to get the lyrics correct? He might be saying If placed, but jesus fucking christ he says "as one would be" clear as fucking day.
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I'm in total disbelief. You guys all love this song? Seriously? You're really not seeing all the key parts to this song that have been completely taken from other tool songs? Really? Or is it that you just don't care? Yes, I’ve seen all the threads noting "similarities" between songs. But that's not quite accurate. Because these aren't similarities, they're blatant rip-offs.
As a musician, guitar player, and sober person, let me take you on a very short and obvious journey to why this song isn't original. Instead of listing timing signatures or the notes being played, I’m just going to list the times. Listen to them side by side, and please, try to tell me you don't see how identical they are. Don't just dismiss what I'm saying, try to listen to what I’ve listened one after the other. Don't be trying to prove me wrong, just listen. And don't try to link the parts to what comes before or after, listen to them for what they are.
Rosetta Stoned 0:00-0:18 compared to H 0:00-0:21
Rosetta Stoned 2:25-2:45 compared to The Patient 4:42-5:14
Rosetta Stoned 3:00-3:50 compared to third Eye 9:55-11:17
Rosetta Stoned 6:04-7:04 compared to H 3:30-4:26
Rosetta Stoned 7:45-8:20 compared to The Grudge 7:38-8:03
And I'm pretty sure there's more. If that doesn't show you, I really don't know what to say. It's too profound to ignore: Rosetta Stoned is largely compiled of previously used riffs.
I refuse to believe that Tool would just recycle all these riffs. Taking the lyrics, it's easy to see how this song would be a joke. Add in all these lifted riffs. Add in all the fans thinking this is the most amazing and original tool song ever. Add in the sense of humor of the band.
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Honestly are YOU serious? I am not by any means saying that there are no similarities, but to say they are identical is rediculous. NONE of those examples you gave us are identical. Not one. Your 1st, 2nd, and 5th examples are just crazy, I think you are joking but that's cool. As for your 3rd eye comparison, the two songs are in different time sigs and the notes being played are not the same. Since you play guitar maybe you should pick it up and give these songs a try so you realize they are definitely far from identical. Your H comparision... I wish I knew how to tab on here so I could show you the difference but I can't believe you can't hear it. The same notes are being played but does that make it the same? Don't rythm and tempo matter as well? Listen to all of your examples actually made me more aware of how different all these riffs are.
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I'm in total disbelief. You guys all love this song? Seriously? You're really not seeing all the key parts to this song that have been completely taken from other tool songs? Really? Or is it that you just don't care? Yes, I’ve seen all the threads noting "similarities" between songs. But that's not quite accurate. Because these aren't similarities, they're blatant rip-offs.
As a musician, guitar player, and sober person, let me take you on a very short and obvious journey to why this song isn't original. Instead of listing timing signatures or the notes being played, I’m just going to list the times. Listen to them side by side, and please, try to tell me you don't see how identical they are. Don't just dismiss what I'm saying, try to listen to what I’ve listened one after the other. Don't be trying to prove me wrong, just listen. And don't try to link the parts to what comes before or after, listen to them for what they are.
Rosetta Stoned 0:00-0:18 compared to H 0:00-0:21
Rosetta Stoned 2:25-2:45 compared to The Patient 4:42-5:14
Rosetta Stoned 3:00-3:50 compared to third Eye 9:55-11:17
Rosetta Stoned 6:04-7:04 compared to H 3:30-4:26
Rosetta Stoned 7:45-8:20 compared to The Grudge 7:38-8:03
And I'm pretty sure there's more. If that doesn't show you, I really don't know what to say. It's too profound to ignore: Rosetta Stoned is largely compiled of previously used riffs.
I refuse to believe that Tool would just recycle all these riffs. Taking the lyrics, it's easy to see how this song would be a joke. Add in all these lifted riffs. Add in all the fans thinking this is the most amazing and original tool song ever. Add in the sense of humor of the band.
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Good solid post.
Rosetta Stoned is a reflection. A reflection upon Tool's past. The things you hear as recycled are recycled but with a (good) twist.
This song is how they look back at their previous work (I bet someonce can find Opiate & Undertow links). The drugs promotion they did, the alien things they are interested in, the spiritual stuff, all is in this song......... That's important, I like it, even if there are 'old' things used.
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I agree. When I listen to the song, I feel like I'm crashing through my past, experiencing all the "serious" things, the "real" things... in retrospect.
It's like experiencing a nihilistic awakening. That's the only way to describe it.
It feels dead serious one second, and totaly rediculous the next.
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Good solid post.
Rosetta Stoned is a reflection. A reflection upon Tool's past. The things you hear as recycled are recycled but with a (good) twist.
This song is how they look back at their previous work (I bet someonce can find Opiate & Undertow links). The drugs promotion they did, the alien things they are interested in, the spiritual stuff, all is in this song......... That's important, I like it, even if there are 'old' things used.
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I agree. When I listen to the song, I feel like I'm crashing through my past, experiencing all the "serious" things, the "real" things... in retrospect.
It's like experiencing a nihilistic awakening. That's the only way to describe it.
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Can i hear some more feedback on this? I've actually heard some interesting things from people talking about things such as this having an overall theme to connect it to other tool songs. Interesting concept, I'd like to hear your explanations why.
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Cant you just come up with some ideas yourself, or do you need someone else to tell you how interesting this song should be to you ? Thats just sad, now YOU are the one whos reycling ideas. Stop bitching and go enjoy the music...
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Can i hear some more feedback on this? I've actually heard some interesting things from people talking about things such as this having an overall theme to connect it to other tool songs. Interesting concept, I'd like to hear your explanations why.
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Cant you just come up with some ideas yourself, or do you need someone else to tell you how interesting this song should be to you ? Thats just sad, now YOU are the one whos reycling ideas. Stop bitching and go enjoy the music...
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let's face it, people, adam isn't that talented of a guitarist, so it's obvious that his music won't be too diverse.
of course there will be similarities. did anyone notice that adam uses the same riff in wings for marie that he did in the Lateralus tour to fill time between songs?e
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Re: Honestly, Are you serious?
let's face it, people, adam isn't that talented of a guitarist, so it's obvious that his music won't be too diverse.
of course there will be similarities. did anyone notice that adam uses the same riff in wings for marie that he did in the Lateralus tour to fill time between songs?e
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let's face it, people, adam isn't that talented of a guitarist, so it's obvious that his music won't be too diverse.
of course there will be similarities. did anyone notice that adam uses the same riff in wings for marie that he did in the Lateralus tour to fill time between songs?e
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EXACTLY! and DOES IT REALLY MATTER? Got lemon juice up in my eye.....
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let's face it, people, adam isn't that talented of a guitarist, so it's obvious that his music won't be too diverse.
of course there will be similarities. did anyone notice that adam uses the same riff in wings for marie that he did in the Lateralus tour to fill time between songs?e
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it is like walking in a hallway, if you walk in that hallway every day then you are bound to step in the same spot u have stepped before........who cares if it sounds like other songs? it is a great song, i dont care if it is "recycled" i only care if it is good or not
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it is like walking in a hallway, if you walk in that hallway every day then you are bound to step in the same spot u have stepped before........who cares if it sounds like other songs? it is a great song, i dont care if it is "recycled" i only care if it is good or not
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the patient rif is in this song. thats for sure. the middle part in H is in this song and so as third eye. however i cant here the start of H nor can i here the grudge.
maybe there are more reference to other tool songs within this song. maybe this was the point of the song.
but why dont you just sit back listen to this great album.
and is it just me or does this album needs one more song. Tool need to make a double cd next time. this album just feels that its short of one song. Possibly because intensions feels like a filler
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the patient rif is in this song. thats for sure. the middle part in H is in this song and so as third eye. however i cant here the start of H nor can i here the grudge.
maybe there are more reference to other tool songs within this song. maybe this was the point of the song.
but why dont you just sit back listen to this great album.
and is it just me or does this album needs one more song. Tool need to make a double cd next time. this album just feels that its short of one song. Possibly because intensions feels like a filler
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ya!!!! we have a halo fan in here, im glad im not the only one
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None of you could compose a song this kick ass, recycled or not, so stop bitching and enjoy it for the masterpiece it is.
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None of you could compose a song this kick ass, recycled or not, so stop bitching and enjoy it for the masterpiece it is.
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I am a new member here so I know my words carry little weight, but it seems as if some people use the left side of their brains just a little too much...It's music, not calculus..I can imagine some of the people here having sex with their gf's/wives and analyzing the time signature of their thrusts or even trying to thrust backwards to see if there's any hidden message within it..
on another note, I was talking to a friend today that said he heard some songs from 10k days and was disappointed that it sounds like the "same-old Tool"...I then proceeded to question him about his favorite band, Lamb of God. "Hmm, 3 albums they've made, same old blast beats, same palm muted guitar triplets, same gravelly voice...but I don't hear you complaining about them?" Just a thought.
"So crucify the ego, before it's far to late"
turn on. tune in. drop out.
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I am a new member here so I know my words carry little weight, but it seems as if some people use the left side of their brains just a little too much...It's music, not calculus..I can imagine some of the people here having sex with their gf's/wives and analyzing the time signature of their thrusts or even trying to thrust backwards to see if there's any hidden message within it..
on another note, I was talking to a friend today that said he heard some songs from 10k days and was disappointed that it sounds like the "same-old Tool"...I then proceeded to question him about his favorite band, Lamb of God. "Hmm, 3 albums they've made, same old blast beats, same palm muted guitar triplets, same gravelly voice...but I don't hear you complaining about them?" Just a thought.
"So crucify the ego, before it's far to late"
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Do you not like a Reese Cup just because you've tasted chocolate and peanut butter before???
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Do you not like a Reese Cup just because you've tasted chocolate and peanut butter before???
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@Sudafed: Best. Avatar. Ever.
But where is K.G?
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@Sudafed: Best. Avatar. Ever.
But where is K.G?
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I'm thinking 2 things:
1. Why not have a vote on whether the absolute clear as day same riffs are there yes or no?
We'll start with the Third eye riff after about 3 minutes (since the Third eye concept is also referenced here, we'll do the others after)....
I cast my vote: YES it was recycled
And secondly, yes I am disappointed with them serving up these has-been issues of aliens and trip recalls. Back in the days, Tool was known for writing stuff that actually reflected upon stuff like 'I'm just following orders..' (Intolerance), the malignancy of addiction (Sober) and order issues that actually MATTER!
Now it seems Maynard has chosen to direct that energy towards APC and leave the Tool community to wander about absolutely hollow issues such as trip recalls etc. The album is good but that's because the rest of the band has written some kick-ass confusing time signatures; if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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I'm thinking 2 things:
1. Why not have a vote on whether the absolute clear as day same riffs are there yes or no?
We'll start with the Third eye riff after about 3 minutes (since the Third eye concept is also referenced here, we'll do the others after)....
I cast my vote: YES it was recycled
And secondly, yes I am disappointed with them serving up these has-been issues of aliens and trip recalls. Back in the days, Tool was known for writing stuff that actually reflected upon stuff like 'I'm just following orders..' (Intolerance), the malignancy of addiction (Sober) and order issues that actually MATTER!
Now it seems Maynard has chosen to direct that energy towards APC and leave the Tool community to wander about absolutely hollow issues such as trip recalls etc. The album is good but that's because the rest of the band has written some kick-ass confusing time signatures; if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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ARe you suggesting that a band can be good because they can roll dice in an alley and find time sigs?
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ARe you suggesting that a band can be good because they can roll dice in an alley and find time sigs?
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Good solid post.
Rosetta Stoned is a reflection. A reflection upon Tool's past. The things you hear as recycled are recycled but with a (good) twist.
This song is how they look back at their previous work (I bet someonce can find Opiate & Undertow links). The drugs promotion they did, the alien things they are interested in, the spiritual stuff, all is in this song.
Why?
Maynard at Lateralus. There where people searching for enlightment, holy track orders, spirituality, 2012, etc, etc on the Lateralus cd. In an interview Maynard ditched all alternate tracklistings. Maynard sees fans have took Lateralus out of context and one step too far.
Now he sings, he was the one who knew how the world would end, because fans where expecting that. But he forgot his pen. He is not the one and will never be and never was.
There is a lot of irony and sarcasm in this song. A pun at devout religious Lateralus followers (also at me ;) ).
This goes back to Vicarious. Vicarious starts as a song which sounds like a Lateralus song and then the alarm bell. An alarm for people to wake up, to get of the spiral and adress problems in the real world. Don't be on the spiral being ignorant for real life problem.
Besides that, Rosetta Stoned FUCKING ROCKS!!! That's important, I like it, even if there are 'old' things used.
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Good solid post.
Rosetta Stoned is a reflection. A reflection upon Tool's past. The things you hear as recycled are recycled but with a (good) twist.
This song is how they look back at their previous work (I bet someonce can find Opiate & Undertow links). The drugs promotion they did, the alien things they are interested in, the spiritual stuff, all is in this song.
Why?
Maynard at Lateralus. There where people searching for enlightment, holy track orders, spirituality, 2012, etc, etc on the Lateralus cd. In an interview Maynard ditched all alternate tracklistings. Maynard sees fans have took Lateralus out of context and one step too far.
Now he sings, he was the one who knew how the world would end, because fans where expecting that. But he forgot his pen. He is not the one and will never be and never was.
There is a lot of irony and sarcasm in this song. A pun at devout religious Lateralus followers (also at me ;) ).
This goes back to Vicarious. Vicarious starts as a song which sounds like a Lateralus song and then the alarm bell. An alarm for people to wake up, to get of the spiral and adress problems in the real world. Don't be on the spiral being ignorant for real life problem.
Besides that, Rosetta Stoned FUCKING ROCKS!!! That's important, I like it, even if there are 'old' things used.
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Anyone can compare a part from Song A and another part from Song B and argue that they are legitimately similar/reused/identical. You act like Tool has failed to be God because you notice similarities. Even if there are similarities, which there are some, who cares? Do you think there is a band who has never reused certain ideas/concepts/sounds?
Pretty much every band out there in the modern music world has put out myriad songs that are extremely similar, to say the least. Even Dream Theater has a few more-than-obvious similarites in many of their songs, and you are bashing Tool for having some. Tool are one of the most creative, deviating, and innovational bands on today's music scene, so what's the big deal?
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Anyone can compare a part from Song A and another part from Song B and argue that they are legitimately similar/reused/identical. You act like Tool has failed to be God because you notice similarities. Even if there are similarities, which there are some, who cares? Do you think there is a band who has never reused certain ideas/concepts/sounds?
Pretty much every band out there in the modern music world has put out myriad songs that are extremely similar, to say the least. Even Dream Theater has a few more-than-obvious similarites in many of their songs, and you are bashing Tool for having some. Tool are one of the most creative, deviating, and innovational bands on today's music scene, so what's the big deal?
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And secondly, yes I am disappointed with them serving up these has-been issues of aliens and trip recalls. Back in the days, Tool was known for writing stuff that actually reflected upon stuff like 'I'm just following orders..' (Intolerance), the malignancy of addiction (Sober) and order issues that actually MATTER!
Now it seems Maynard has chosen to direct that energy towards APC and leave the Tool community to wander about absolutely hollow issues such as trip recalls etc. The album is good but that's because the rest of the band has written some kick-ass confusing time signatures; if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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Point 1: Actually, Maynard is just about finished with his APC project because he decided it was too much work to devote his time between the two groups, according to an interview with the band featured in Revolver magazine.
Point 2: Get your head out of your ass and listen to the rest of the album. Do any of these songs, despite one or two, relate to aliens or trip-recalls? Do none of these lyrics point you in the direction of "things that matter" and "much time devoted"?? Sometimes it takes Maynard as much as a month to write his lyrics. The rest of the band writes nearly all of the music before entering the studio, and this time they did this without his presence b/c he was touring with APC. That way they can focus strictly on the music before Maynard gives his input on his feelings with the work, and eventually they can all agree on where the music leads to next in the piece. So really, they are ALL putting in their share.
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Re: Honestly, Are you serious?
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Originally Posted by weesper
And secondly, yes I am disappointed with them serving up these has-been issues of aliens and trip recalls. Back in the days, Tool was known for writing stuff that actually reflected upon stuff like 'I'm just following orders..' (Intolerance), the malignancy of addiction (Sober) and order issues that actually MATTER!
Now it seems Maynard has chosen to direct that energy towards APC and leave the Tool community to wander about absolutely hollow issues such as trip recalls etc. The album is good but that's because the rest of the band has written some kick-ass confusing time signatures; if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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Point 1: Actually, Maynard is just about finished with his APC project because he decided it was too much work to devote his time between the two groups, according to an interview with the band featured in Revolver magazine.
Point 2: Get your head out of your ass and listen to the rest of the album. Do any of these songs, despite one or two, relate to aliens or trip-recalls? Do none of these lyrics point you in the direction of "things that matter" and "much time devoted"?? Sometimes it takes Maynard as much as a month to write his lyrics. The rest of the band writes nearly all of the music before entering the studio, and this time they did this without his presence b/c he was touring with APC. That way they can focus strictly on the music before Maynard gives his input on his feelings with the work, and eventually they can all agree on where the music leads to next in the piece. So really, they are ALL putting in their share.
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if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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Wow, I think that 95% of the lyrics in this album have completely went over your head.
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05-29-2006, 05:46 PM
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Re: Honestly, Are you serious?
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if only Maynard would've put in his share and written some lyrics about things that matter...
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Wow, I think that 95% of the lyrics in this album have completely went over your head. |
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05-30-2006, 12:55 AM
After listening to this song more, i have changed my opinion of it.
I had previously though it was rather boring, and really diddnt warrent the time it consumed on the album.
Now i think its a total peice of shit, and would still be crap as a filler.
Meh, flame me if you will. and fair enough, i can respect, that somehow, you people like this song. Clearly your seeing something im not, because i cannot begin to describe to you how this song sends me to sleep... (well i probably could, it does it real fast)
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05-30-2006, 12:55 AM
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Re: Honestly, Are you serious?
After listening to this song more, i have changed my opinion of it.
I had previously though it was rather boring, and really diddnt warrent the time it consumed on the album.
Now i think its a total peice of shit, and would still be crap as a filler.
Meh, flame me if you will. and fair enough, i can respect, that somehow, you people like this song. Clearly your seeing something im not, because i cannot begin to describe to you how this song sends me to sleep... (well i probably could, it does it real fast)
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