I haven't been keeping up. Is this title official now?

It depends on what you mean by "official". If by "official" you mean "announced as 'confirmed' by Kabir, Blair (on Toolband and Toolarmy), a bootleg British rock magazine, and an obscure Australian DJ", then yes.

Edit: Wait, it's not announced on Toolband.

Edit: Wait, yes it is.

Edit: Wait, no it's not.

Edit: Wait, yes it is.

Basacally, yes. Either its official or its one hell of a lead up to the April Fools joke.

Not everyone has Toolarmy.

+1

As far as I knew, when tool made something new, it has always been better than the last, no? So....how could lateralus be a step down from aenima?

because some people* think aenima was better than lateralus

*retards ;-)

* people like me

http://www.independentbands.com/cd/b...usanddays.html

lol

fake or not, that most recent description has made my balls warm.

^ which description?

It is 10,000 days.

Kabir has confirmed it.

It's the fact that we're all scarred (exaggerating) from systema encaphale etc... Tool's antics before lateralus came out have caused this.

and people like me

What more proof is there that the album is/isn't called Ten Thousand Days?. Like, stuff we havn't discussed.

And I find a lot of people that have been Tool fans since before Ænima was released prefer it to Lateralus. Just something ive noticed.

Kabit rules.

Care to elaborate on how that discredits my own argument? Here's the point which you're apparently too ignorant to see for yourself:

It should be painfully obvious that Tool didn't release the Systema Encéphale fake album name just as a joke. In fact, I fail to understand how that's a joke in the first place. Using common sense and logic, I interpret Tool releasing that fake album name as another means to do anything and everything they could to prevent leaks too early.

Now, if you're like me and have been a fan of Tool for 5+ years, you'd agree that "10,000 days" sounds like a nu-metal album name, not a Tool album name.

But wait, why do you believe this album name? Because Blair announced it? Do I have to repeat myself? HE DID THE SAME THING WITH Systema Encéphale! What does this mean? YOU CANT BELIEVE ANY ALBUM NAMES UNTIL THE SINGLE COMES!

Sorry for the CAPS, just thought I'd emphasize parts of my post for easy digestion for the eyes of ignorance.

*Flashback*

TOOL CONFIRMS NEW ALBUM NAME: Systema Encéphale!

*ends flashback*

Understand now?

I thought "it must be true" when I read the post on TDN but, it's been said on a thread somewhere else, Kabir was in on the whole Maynard finds Jesus thing, so it's a little harder to believe now.

This isn't a personal attack against you McRoggles, but haven't Tool done an April Fool's joke before, not just once, but on several occassions?

So wouldn't it make sense to make another joke or do the same prank this time around?

I mean, if they announce that the album is actually called something else and that '10,000 Days' was a fake etc., who is really gonna care that much once the album has been out for a while, it sells well, the band tours and everyone loves their new music? I know I won't because they have tricked us in the past and it hasn't really stopped me from enjoying their music...

I don't really care what it is called although I'll go with my gut feeling and call the current title a hoax and that we will get the real title sometime soon, as in closer to the single and/or album being released...

ok ok - so maybe 10,000 Days is another Systema Encephale.

If I remember correctly however...it wasnt very long after the Systema announcement that we learned Lateralus was the title.

We also were given a rather hilarious fake tracklist.

If '10,000 Days' IS NOT REAL - i would wager that the reason its being used is not so the band can fuck with us. i dont think that its a practical joke of any kind.

I would imagine that if we learned of a fake title this early - and we have yet to hear of any others - the band must be protecting the REAL record title/ song title from leaks.

Either way nobody knows but Tool. Therefore im highly suspicious(and you should be too!) of anybody claiming that they know ANYTHING for sure.

Furthermore shitting on anyone else for believing or not believing in '10,000 days' is unfounded. Right now we just don't know enough.

yep, it boils down to this.

all of this makes me wonder if the whole 'meshuggah inspired' references are to throw us off too. i grant that the sound is probably harder/different than Lateralus or anything previous, but to explicitly say 'its meshuggah inspired' is to put too fine a point on it.

even after the alleged andy king review, he didn't say anything like 'it sounds meshuggah inspired' -- in fact, he said that one of the tracks sounded commercial, which anything near meshuggah certainly woudn't.

just my $0.02 worth, but it's interesting to note all the same.

perhaps meshuggah inspired just refers to its heavy nature. it wouldnt be likely that it would sound anything remotely like meshuggah.

I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand my point without me detailing down to a T. So here it is:

Doing the exact same thing multiple times goes against their very progressive and original nature....everything they do tends to be pretty divergent from what they've done in the past. The only consistent Tool tradition that is the April Fools joke, and even that is highly variant from year to year.

Thus, if you actually consider the context in which Tool operates, the fact that "theyve done this before" leads credence to the notion that they WONT do it again, rather than the notion that they would. That is why your point contradicts your own argument.

And the idea that they are simply repeating past behavior to prevent leaks again is foolish. It worked the first time because people didn't expect it. But now that we all know to expect a possible fake, releasing one no longer has any value in preventing leaks. The fake out only works once.

As for the rest of your argument and your capslock bullshit, grow up. It doesn't sound "nu-metal" at all. How the hell can you qualify a title so vague as sounding nu-metal when you dont even know the tracks, their lyrics, or what they represent. "Chocolate Starfish and Hot Dog Flavored Water" sounds nu-metal. 10,000 Days sounds anything but.

You're right, how can I say it sounds like nu-metal? What's that Disturbed album again? 10,000 fists? but days is much more elaborate!

The fake out only works once? That's interesting because, if this IS a fake it sure looks like this site is falling for it posting that banner on the front page hm? And it sure looks like you're strongly leaning to the side if it being the real album title. This makes it appear that if this was the "POSSIBLE" fake as you deemed it, it's working great!

So let me get this straight, you're assuming that because of Tool's progressive nature they wouldn't repeat a technique to stop any form of leaks? I don't see how it makes any sense that Tool would NOT do anything and everything they could to stop leaks from coming out too early, just like they did with Systema Encéphale

You keep talking about me contradicting my own argument, but check out what you did:

1. You ADMITTED that you know 10,000 days is a possible fake.

2. If it IS a fake, it's working great, completely contradicting what you said.

Put a quarter in and try it again kid.

Anyone have the fake tracklisting from Systema Encephale? I never saw it...

I hate to be the little bitch, but days really is a hell of a lot less "nu-metal" than fists. Nu-metal is all about being overly angry/"street"/hardcore/etc., and fists really paralells that.

Talk about pretentious...

First of all, how in the hell does Disturbed having an album called 10,000 Fists make 10,000 Days sound nu metal? First of all, 10,000 Days a much different title than 10,000 Fists--the fact that they both have an arbitrary number within them in no way makes them highly "alike". But furthermore, just because a certain set of words has been used by a band in titling an album in the past does not mean that set of words is commited FOREVER to any certain genre or value judgment. If some group like, say the Eagles, releases an album called "Midnight", does that mean any album later released by the same title reflects the Eagles' musical genre or the meaning behind their songs? No, that's a pretty ridiculous assumption that's youre making. Titles are just words. They mean whatever the band wants them to mean. Theyre symbolic, not absolute.

And of course it's a possible fake. That's exactly my point. Everybody here, myself and yourself included, KNOWS it could be a fake. The first time around, with Lateralus, a much higher percentage of people accepted Systema as the title and were content with that until the real title went public.

Now, though, everybody has their doubts, and thus there is absolutely no prevention of "leaks" taking place. Get this through your apparently very clouded brain--with such a high percentage of people doubting 10,000 Days at the title, there is absolutely NO effect on the prevention of leaks. Releasing a name that people know could possibly be fake doesn't prevent leaks any better than not releasing any name at all. How can you be so dense as to not understand this?

But please continue to fill your posts with more childish rhetoric. You're a condescending fool for no reason other than you want to be--you definitely have done nothing to exhibit that you possess a level of intelligence even above average that would warrant your elitist tone.

Pretty soon we're gonna have to set an over/under on how many posts it's going to take you before you make a thought-provoking or even remotely valid point.

I love how everyone argues about the fact that no one knows anything. The title might be 10,000 days, it might not be. Thst's it, you can't defend any other statement than that. We won't know for sure until we see it on Amazon. Then I'll believe whatever that says.

This man is a n00b in post count and join date

but he most certainly knows what's up

So, in summary, both sides of this debate have raised good points as far as I'm concerned. I personally bought into the validity of the title, 10,000 Days (because Kabir said so...and he even pointed out how un-Tool the title sounded himself). I guess I trust TDN more than Toolshed with this sort of thing and I am not a member of Toolarmy. If the title is fake, the irony on me is that I never believed that "Systema Encephile (spelling)?" was the real title for what we all know as Lateralus. It sounded fake to me (It just resembled "System Of A Down" too much to me) , and just because SPIN printed that title with the release date, I didn't see that as evidence of credibility. But with TDN, I do take it as credible. If Kabir did knowingly give out the fake title before the release of Lateralus, I certainly don't remember that. The comparison to the Disturbed CD title hit me just as quick as the Systema.../S.O.A.D. comparison. However, what has not been discussed or researched here is the following: "What significance can we attribute to 10,000 days? Break out your calculators and scrap paper, let's see if there is ANYTHING REMOTELY SIGNIFICANT about this length of time. It works out to 27 years and change, and exactly how long depends whether you factor in leap years. Is there something historical that happened/began/ended 27 or so years ago that could make for TOOL subject matter(furthermore, a whole album's worth)? Or is it a reference to some specific 27-year period in history? Nothing I can think of offhand, but I'm no history scholar. We can't ignore that there will without a doubt be another April-fool's joke, I just didn't think Kabir would assist in one so actively. Or has he helped perpetuate them in the past? I forget. If the title is real, then great, if not, then this was an excellent lesson in skepticism. Everyone go read chapter 12 of Carl Sagan's book "The Demon Haunted World." It seems appropriate for an argument such as this.
---Jim of Hollywood, Floriduh---03/08/06---11:25pmEST---
(Remember: It is very difficult to crucify a T. Rex.)

Maybe it's 10,000 days from the release that means something. Maybe it's 10,000 dumbasses or perhaps10,000 insignifigant dipshits. All I know is that I'm thrilled to hear it as soon as I can

google it. they aren't hard to find.

check the tdn news archive. the possibilities are endless.

How about you just post the tracklist, Mr. Captain Internet.

i did in another thread, maynard.

You should know that I'm the man.

So then I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to argue? The point I was trying to make is that Tool have released a fake album name before to prevent leaks, why wouldn't this be the same thing? You've admitted several times you know it could be a leak, so what's your stance?

Thanks for calling me childish and a fool, your maturity is overwhelming. Unfortunately your only "argument" is calling me names and talking about how un-intelligent my argument is when in fact it's perfectly logical.

1. Tool gave out a fake name in the months prior to the Lateralus release to do anything they could to stop leaks

2. There's no reason they wouldn't do that again, after all... it's to stop leaks!

3. Many people have suspected the title to be a fake, due to it being nothing like any Tool album name in the past nor something most fans could see being a title for a future album.

4. The latest mini-review from someone who heard the album in Australia said the album IS NOT NAMED YET! Wouldnt this mean that the album name is in fact NOT 10,000 days?

So despite how childish I am and how idiotic my argument is, for some reason when you put all the evidence together this name seems like a fake(especially the australian mini-review detailing how the album is NOT named, phew how will you refute that one?). *Waits for Prodigys post that has no counter-argument but rather endless insults*