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08-03-2008, 01:21 AM
I know, we're still waiting for the live DVD, and I would rather see that. But is there any chance Tool would put out a DVD-Audio version of 10,000 days (or any of their albums)? if you don't know what that is, it's basically the HD form of audio.
speaking of the dvd, i can't imagine why they're holding off on it. what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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I know, we're still waiting for the live DVD, and I would rather see that. But is there any chance Tool would put out a DVD-Audio version of 10,000 days (or any of their albums)? if you don't know what that is, it's basically the HD form of audio.
speaking of the dvd, i can't imagine why they're holding off on it. what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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i use to sell dvd audio at circuit city years ago, it wasn't very popular but very high quality. what if they made blue ray audio players, now that would be something tool would consider, like a 7.1 blue ray release, insane.
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
i use to sell dvd audio at circuit city years ago, it wasn't very popular but very high quality. what if they made blue ray audio players, now that would be something tool would consider, like a 7.1 blue ray release, insane.
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08-26-2008, 03:38 PM
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I know, we're still waiting for the live DVD, and I would rather see that. But is there any chance Tool would put out a DVD-Audio version of 10,000 days (or any of their albums)? if you don't know what that is, it's basically the HD form of audio.
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After exposing my eardrums to music for years, buying a higher quality of music would be just a waste of money.
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speaking of the dvd, i can't imagine why they're holding off on it. what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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After seeing Puscifer flourish, i definately think there is at least one of them NOT afraid of making money, imo.
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
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I know, we're still waiting for the live DVD, and I would rather see that. But is there any chance Tool would put out a DVD-Audio version of 10,000 days (or any of their albums)? if you don't know what that is, it's basically the HD form of audio.
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After exposing my eardrums to music for years, buying a higher quality of music would be just a waste of money.
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speaking of the dvd, i can't imagine why they're holding off on it. what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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After seeing Puscifer flourish, i definately think there is at least one of them NOT afraid of making money, imo.
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08-26-2008, 07:36 PM
allthough the market for hd video is relatively high, most people won't take advantage of hd audio because of the mp3 market. People are still misinformed about sound, and even if they bought such quality audio, they couldn't tell the difference because their equipment (speakers, etc) won't take advantage of it
Secondly, vinyl albums are pretty on par with this idea, and are making a comeback
In either case, it's an audiophile thing
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
allthough the market for hd video is relatively high, most people won't take advantage of hd audio because of the mp3 market. People are still misinformed about sound, and even if they bought such quality audio, they couldn't tell the difference because their equipment (speakers, etc) won't take advantage of it
Secondly, vinyl albums are pretty on par with this idea, and are making a comeback
In either case, it's an audiophile thing
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08-27-2008, 05:33 AM
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what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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I think its a safe bet that money is well on the backburner for Tool (even though thats not entirely necessary to maintain artistic integrity).
When asked about why they aren't making a live DVD, Maynard replied (something like this) "Have you ever seen pictures of the grand canyon? Now, have you been there in person? When you go there, you understand why its so amazing, and that its so much different than just seeing a picture of it. You understand why its something special"
And by that, I totally agree. No live DVD will ever be able to capture the Tool experiance. And I think they have the right attitude about it. "You want to see us? Then fucking come see us."
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
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what are they afraid of? making money? vicarious was cool, but they'd have been better off putting all that efford into a live dvd.
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I think its a safe bet that money is well on the backburner for Tool (even though thats not entirely necessary to maintain artistic integrity).
When asked about why they aren't making a live DVD, Maynard replied (something like this) "Have you ever seen pictures of the grand canyon? Now, have you been there in person? When you go there, you understand why its so amazing, and that its so much different than just seeing a picture of it. You understand why its something special"
And by that, I totally agree. No live DVD will ever be able to capture the Tool experiance. And I think they have the right attitude about it. "You want to see us? Then fucking come see us."
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08-27-2008, 07:51 AM
so then they should just go on another huge tour and charge the cost of a dvd for admission ;)
to save them the hassle of making a live dvd
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
so then they should just go on another huge tour and charge the cost of a dvd for admission ;)
to save them the hassle of making a live dvd
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08-27-2008, 08:03 AM
if they do ever decide to release a live dvd. it will be awesome.
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if they do ever decide to release a live dvd. it will be awesome.
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08-27-2008, 08:50 AM
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I think its a safe bet that money is well on the backburner for Tool (even though thats not entirely necessary to maintain artistic integrity).
When asked about why they aren't making a live DVD, Maynard replied (something like this) "Have you ever seen pictures of the grand canyon? Now, have you been there in person? When you go there, you understand why its so amazing, and that its so much different than just seeing a picture of it. You understand why its something special"
And by that, I totally agree. No live DVD will ever be able to capture the Tool experiance. And I think they have the right attitude about it. "You want to see us? Then fucking come see us."
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The problem with that though is not everybody can travel across the world to see them live where ever they may happen to be at that time. I would love to see them live as much as I can but I could only afford to do so the one or two times they're in my city during the tour. I agree, a DVD will never supplant the actual live experience but it's the next best thing to watch to relive or reflect I should say on that experience. Why do people take videos of their kids or pictures of things, so they can remember the time. A DVD you can pop in whenever you want to reflect that experience.
I see both sides to it, I just think they should do it anyways. It's not like anybodys going to stop wanting to actually see them live just because they have a Live DVD at home. That's ridiculous.
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
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I think its a safe bet that money is well on the backburner for Tool (even though thats not entirely necessary to maintain artistic integrity).
When asked about why they aren't making a live DVD, Maynard replied (something like this) "Have you ever seen pictures of the grand canyon? Now, have you been there in person? When you go there, you understand why its so amazing, and that its so much different than just seeing a picture of it. You understand why its something special"
And by that, I totally agree. No live DVD will ever be able to capture the Tool experiance. And I think they have the right attitude about it. "You want to see us? Then fucking come see us."
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The problem with that though is not everybody can travel across the world to see them live where ever they may happen to be at that time. I would love to see them live as much as I can but I could only afford to do so the one or two times they're in my city during the tour. I agree, a DVD will never supplant the actual live experience but it's the next best thing to watch to relive or reflect I should say on that experience. Why do people take videos of their kids or pictures of things, so they can remember the time. A DVD you can pop in whenever you want to reflect that experience.
I see both sides to it, I just think they should do it anyways. It's not like anybodys going to stop wanting to actually see them live just because they have a Live DVD at home. That's ridiculous.
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08-27-2008, 09:19 AM
the hallucinogenetics dvd from primus only makes me like them that much more.
i think tools dvd can be just as thought provoking, and a true masterpiece to watch and listen.
i dunno if i like the idea of 6 different shows put together made to look like one. i know they filmed at 6 of the last shows. plus others.
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
the hallucinogenetics dvd from primus only makes me like them that much more.
i think tools dvd can be just as thought provoking, and a true masterpiece to watch and listen.
i dunno if i like the idea of 6 different shows put together made to look like one. i know they filmed at 6 of the last shows. plus others.
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The problem with that though is not everybody can travel across the world to see them live where ever they may happen to be at that time. I would love to see them live as much as I can but I could only afford to do so the one or two times they're in my city during the tour. I agree, a DVD will never supplant the actual live experience but it's the next best thing to watch to relive or reflect I should say on that experience. Why do people take videos of their kids or pictures of things, so they can remember the time. A DVD you can pop in whenever you want to reflect that experience.
I see both sides to it, I just think they should do it anyways. It's not like anybodys going to stop wanting to actually see them live just because they have a Live DVD at home. That's ridiculous.
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Even a live-cd would be welcome, imo. I really enjoyed the live tracks of Salival. The positive aspect of an audio recorded live show is that they don't have to worry about not capturing the visual part of the live experience.
Stick it in your audiosystem, put on yer headphones, close your eyes and imagine beeing there...
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The problem with that though is not everybody can travel across the world to see them live where ever they may happen to be at that time. I would love to see them live as much as I can but I could only afford to do so the one or two times they're in my city during the tour. I agree, a DVD will never supplant the actual live experience but it's the next best thing to watch to relive or reflect I should say on that experience. Why do people take videos of their kids or pictures of things, so they can remember the time. A DVD you can pop in whenever you want to reflect that experience.
I see both sides to it, I just think they should do it anyways. It's not like anybodys going to stop wanting to actually see them live just because they have a Live DVD at home. That's ridiculous.
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Even a live-cd would be welcome, imo. I really enjoyed the live tracks of Salival. The positive aspect of an audio recorded live show is that they don't have to worry about not capturing the visual part of the live experience.
Stick it in your audiosystem, put on yer headphones, close your eyes and imagine beeing there...
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Even a live-cd would be welcome, imo. I really enjoyed the live tracks of Salival. The positive aspect of an audio recorded live show is that they don't have to worry about not capturing the visual part of the live experience.
Stick it in your audiosystem, put on yer headphones, close your eyes and imagine beeing there...
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FUCK THAT, I wanna see it too
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Re: Dvd audio/live dvd
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Even a live-cd would be welcome, imo. I really enjoyed the live tracks of Salival. The positive aspect of an audio recorded live show is that they don't have to worry about not capturing the visual part of the live experience.
Stick it in your audiosystem, put on yer headphones, close your eyes and imagine beeing there...
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FUCK THAT, I wanna see it too
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08-28-2008, 10:53 AM
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FUCK THAT, I wanna see it too
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I want a live-DVD with a live CD as a bonus!
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FUCK THAT, I wanna see it too
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So, would the footage only be from shows post-10KD?
I remember reading someone say they saw cameras filming the shows back during the Lateralus tour. I'd much rather watch a show from that era
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So, would the footage only be from shows post-10KD?
I remember reading someone say they saw cameras filming the shows back during the Lateralus tour. I'd much rather watch a show from that era
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09-15-2008, 07:50 AM
huh. interesting. i wonder if this is another knockoff, bullshit, call it what you will release like others on that same page(maximum TOOL, the lowdown...wtf!?)or if this may actually be something notable. by the sounds of the description there is no new material, other than perhaps a 'rare' performance(another live version of pre-released song). im not banking on it being anything worthy.
huh...
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huh. interesting. i wonder if this is another knockoff, bullshit, call it what you will release like others on that same page(maximum TOOL, the lowdown...wtf!?)or if this may actually be something notable. by the sounds of the description there is no new material, other than perhaps a 'rare' performance(another live version of pre-released song). im not banking on it being anything worthy.
huh...
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huh. interesting. i wonder if this is another knockoff, bullshit, call it what you will release like others on that same page(maximum TOOL, the lowdown...wtf!?)or if this may actually be something notable. by the sounds of the description there is no new material, other than perhaps a 'rare' performance(another live version of pre-released song). im not banking on it being anything worthy.
huh...
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Ten dollars says it's a bootleg or some bullshit DVD.
The Revolver Magazine featuring Tool came out not too long ago, and the cover looks like it borrows an image from that Magazine. Also, anything current with Tool should feature artwork by Alex Grey - I doubt they would resort to artwork dating back to the Undertow era.
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huh. interesting. i wonder if this is another knockoff, bullshit, call it what you will release like others on that same page(maximum TOOL, the lowdown...wtf!?)or if this may actually be something notable. by the sounds of the description there is no new material, other than perhaps a 'rare' performance(another live version of pre-released song). im not banking on it being anything worthy.
huh...
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Ten dollars says it's a bootleg or some bullshit DVD.
The Revolver Magazine featuring Tool came out not too long ago, and the cover looks like it borrows an image from that Magazine. Also, anything current with Tool should feature artwork by Alex Grey - I doubt they would resort to artwork dating back to the Undertow era.
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09-15-2008, 09:52 AM
They should just put a DVD out allready. I know they've filmed a lot and there's no doubt in my mind they have some killer footage they could piece together. It might not be the same as being at a show, but it would be pretty damn close. So why not??
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They should just put a DVD out allready. I know they've filmed a lot and there's no doubt in my mind they have some killer footage they could piece together. It might not be the same as being at a show, but it would be pretty damn close. So why not??
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It might not be the same as being at a show, but it would be pretty damn close.
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are you fucking kidding me? it would be a safe bet that you have not been to one of their shows. i cant even believe that you could compare watching a DVD to seeing TOOL in concert. i cant even begin to describe how truly amazing seeing them live was. besides seeing those four with your OWN EYES in front of you, doing what they do best; through some of the worlds best audio equipment, so loud you think your ears are going to bleed. the visuals on the screen mixed the incredible light show had me convinced i was hallucinating. the crowd going nuts at the end of each song. the overall atmospere. did i mention seeing them and hearing them IN PERSON?
nah, id rather watch the DVD...
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It might not be the same as being at a show, but it would be pretty damn close.
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are you fucking kidding me? it would be a safe bet that you have not been to one of their shows. i cant even believe that you could compare watching a DVD to seeing TOOL in concert. i cant even begin to describe how truly amazing seeing them live was. besides seeing those four with your OWN EYES in front of you, doing what they do best; through some of the worlds best audio equipment, so loud you think your ears are going to bleed. the visuals on the screen mixed the incredible light show had me convinced i was hallucinating. the crowd going nuts at the end of each song. the overall atmospere. did i mention seeing them and hearing them IN PERSON?
nah, id rather watch the DVD...
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are you fucking kidding me? it would be a safe bet that you have not been to one of their shows. i cant even believe that you could compare watching a DVD to seeing TOOL in concert. i cant even begin to describe how truly amazing seeing them live was. besides seeing those four with your OWN EYES in front of you, doing what they do best; through some of the worlds best audio equipment, so loud you think your ears are going to bleed. the visuals on the screen mixed the incredible light show had me convinced i was hallucinating. the crowd going nuts at the end of each song. the overall atmospere. did i mention seeing them and hearing them IN PERSON?
nah, id rather watch the DVD...
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are you fucking kidding me? it would be a safe bet that you have not been to one of their shows. i cant even believe that you could compare watching a DVD to seeing TOOL in concert. i cant even begin to describe how truly amazing seeing them live was. besides seeing those four with your OWN EYES in front of you, doing what they do best; through some of the worlds best audio equipment, so loud you think your ears are going to bleed. the visuals on the screen mixed the incredible light show had me convinced i was hallucinating. the crowd going nuts at the end of each song. the overall atmospere. did i mention seeing them and hearing them IN PERSON?
nah, id rather watch the DVD...
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09-15-2008, 11:24 AM
What? I've seen 'em live a number of times. Of course no DVD will be just like being at the show. It would, however, top pretty much any other live DVD.
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What? I've seen 'em live a number of times. Of course no DVD will be just like being at the show. It would, however, top pretty much any other live DVD.
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09-15-2008, 01:02 PM
Mostly because I can't afford a show would the DVD be awesome.
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Mostly because I can't afford a show would the DVD be awesome.
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Interesting. It's plausible. They did say that if they were to release something live they didn't just want it to be a bunch of live shows that it would have more to it.
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Interesting. It's plausible. They did say that if they were to release something live they didn't just want it to be a bunch of live shows that it would have more to it.
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09-21-2008, 02:02 PM
heres why there wont be a live dvd, taken from a music industry insider forum:
"I think the "no performance footage" rule will come to bite them in the ass big-time. A second hand source directly from a band member told me that they didn't film the 10,000 Days tour for DVD or archive in any form - plus they only have stereo soundboards from every show, nothing multitrack. They had planned to shoot the Vegas shows in early 2007, but the drummer got hurt. Remember, that all venues/festivals with jumbotrons had all cameras put away or pointed at the sky.
Some shows were shot for Lateralus.
Except for 5 minutes from 1993, there is NOTHING proshot circulating of TOOL performing. Everything you've seen is single camera by an audience member or a the odd news crew in the mid 90's. "
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heres why there wont be a live dvd, taken from a music industry insider forum:
"I think the "no performance footage" rule will come to bite them in the ass big-time. A second hand source directly from a band member told me that they didn't film the 10,000 Days tour for DVD or archive in any form - plus they only have stereo soundboards from every show, nothing multitrack. They had planned to shoot the Vegas shows in early 2007, but the drummer got hurt. Remember, that all venues/festivals with jumbotrons had all cameras put away or pointed at the sky.
Some shows were shot for Lateralus.
Except for 5 minutes from 1993, there is NOTHING proshot circulating of TOOL performing. Everything you've seen is single camera by an audience member or a the odd news crew in the mid 90's. "
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