As all 'experienced' TooL fans do.

You are trying to speak logic to a 13 year old emo virgin, its futile.

Man Im a big dredg fan but the dude with the name dredg do you not see that dredgs latest cd was the biggest commercialized dung released last year. I mean jesus this isnt tools best record but they are far superior to dredg....
P.S. Leitmotif is great though. el cielo wasnt bad a little too "my vagina hurts" whiney.

Glad to see another Austinite posting on here ^ were you at Encore for the Cd release and free beer?

Naw man I actually received the album that monday at waterloo's cos i have a friend that knows the owner and i got him to get it a day early. I wanted to go but i ended up just listenin to the album and smokin that night.

nm

Cool name man i pictured it in my head and had a good laugh thanks.

I relistend to it--The guitar on track 7 is amazing. And I don't know the tracks by name yet, but there is a solo he does either in track 4 or 3 but it really does kinda hurt my ears. The pitches are really high and i had to turn down my shitty car speakers.

But overall, i think some people are being too hard on him.
He's still adam fucking jones.

bin/lock

100% agreed.

As I listened to the record today, I noticed this exact part that you are talking about. I thought about the great drumming Danny does in the background, and Adam playing a lead over it. I think that this lead is actually somewhat necessary, not only because it fits well with the song. If you notice, the drums are a little fainter than in most other songs, and that is to fit the emotion and mood of the song, to create a more soft approach. If there was no lead in this part, than the drumming would likely take over, and probably completely change the aspect of the mood for the worse in this song. So in conclusion, I don't see anything wrong with this guitar, as it again fits very well.

about ryzurs post--

this solo i see to myself as more of a lead which i talked about in the above posting. I really don't see why some of you think think that this song was ruined by the guitar (not pointing at anyone in particular though). I saw the whole emotion and purpose of this two-part epic as being low key, while gradually building and then returning to the original sound. I think the song is great just the way it is. I do understand the point made of the absence of Adam's development, despite the other three members' new approaches, though I can't find much a problem with this. But w/e, we've all got our opinions, respectfully.

Hear hear

And that is the problem, not just with this track but the entire CD.

Danny is a living legend, and his genius is the backbone of TooL songs. I don't want to STRAIN to find it and have to tune out adams relentless electronic farting.

I agree. The drumming and bass are amazing, full of original ideas and great arrangements, while adam's riffs and solos are uninspired.
This solo doesn't completely suck, but it's not what it should have been at all. It should have powerful and original, not necessarily fast but tense and strong. You're not doing something tense when you're playing this little riff then holding one note. That's what a beginner solist would do. It
Adam is the problem of this album, and the problem of Tool now. They should get a second guitarist (yeah, I'm not Tool so they do whatever they want).

look at each instrument as 'playing the lyrics'. the guitar part just fuckin sobs. I love it.

theyd probebly want you to shut the fuck up for not knowing what the hell youre talking about. But hey, I'm just a musician, whatever tool wants.

actually i listened to this song again, i love adam's solo, i dont care how piss easy it is, its from the heart, and fits the mood of the song

you think adam's work is horrible here
i think it is so moody, it drags you in totally
somber and beautiful..i dont even know if
you are refering to the same song that i have
been listening to. it is so beautiful entirely
haunting and magnificent. i know a lot of people
go on and on about his work, but really from
the depths of me..his guitar does something
to me emotionally that all other guitarists have
failed at.

so beautiful man..i know exactly what you mean here

I know perfectly what I'm talking about. So shut up now. Thank you.

It's a lot of little taps, as if he is trying to play the drums with his guitar, which is not only weak but it hides the real drums.

I like this guy. Thats such a valid point. Mabye thats why i like this cd so much.

You do realize that the whole band had to sit around after this was recorded and say to each other "yes, this is how we want this to sound." There is a REASON why it sounds like it does. They *wanted* it to sound like that. You've been tearing this album to pieces at every chance you get. Why not just...stop listening to it then? What you're saying isn't going to change the album. It's done. And Tool sure as hell isn't going to go to this thread and see *your* little hissyfits and say "boy golly gee that guy's right! Hey Adam, I think you should not suck/play better/not play as loud just like this guy says! He obviously knows more about our music than we do!"


If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Save people the waste of time that is reading your complaints about a fantastic musical experience. I know it's *cool* for you to be different, but it's getting old. Go listen to Lateralus instead.

You do realize that the whole band did not sit around after this was recorded and say to each other "yes, this is how we want this to sound."

Engineers, producer, and, from the sound of it....adam.

Good, as long as you were there to enlighten us all. Perhaps you should start your own band and outplay Tool? Get everything to sound exactly how you want being as how this band can't quite cut it for you.

That would be true, if it weren't for that fact that Tool produced themselves.

Is this guy joking? your going to insult the Hammer of the Gods? Mr. Adam Jones?, Sure Danny Carey, is a genious, he proved that when ticks and leeches came out, but alright, I guess so, everyone's got an opinion, unfortunately his has to be ignorant, and in plain sight.

well being a fellow guitarist, and seeing as who i idolize in terms of guitar (Jimmy Page) i would say yes he does suck. then again EVERYONE in comparison to Jimmy Page sucks so it holds little or no weight. Adam has originality, like Jimmy Page. However, he doesn't appear to have the same finesse i suppose you could say. I've always found the strong points of Tool to be Maynard's godly vocals and Danny's amazing drumming so i do have to say i don't believe Adam is all that great. but he sure as hell didn't ruin this song, i liked it just fine.

That part where the second guitar kicks in and harmonizes with the lead for a while = genius.

What you said x 2.

The drums are fucking loud enough, if there's something I love when playing drums it's when the guitar is cranked to the top ripping through everything.

If you have any problems with the sound... just turn up the volume (to 11)

How can you criticize something TOOL created. It is their art...as someone above said the song is that way BECAUSE Tool wants it that way, if they didnt--it wouldn't be on the album like that. "Hi Adam, you Um ruined this song"?????? Doubtful. The song is the way it was intended to be heard. I dont see how any of the members are capable of "ruining" something that is theirs. It is their art and that is obviously the way they wanted it. That is like telling someone they "ruined" their own painting or something. It is the artists..not yours and not for you to say if it is "ruined". Not possible.

Guys..Guys. You are all spending too much time on tis solo thing. What Adam did in this song was done to convey emotion, not show off. That's what I love about Tool's music. It never trys to do anything but give a message. Adam's "solo" is supposed to make you feel something, and if you people would just stop being negative and open your self up, you would feel it. Now I can't tell you what you're supposed to feel, I guess it's differant for everyone, but it's something far more powerful than anything else out there. Now if you want an arrogant 10 minute 1,000 note guitar solo, pop in a soul less Dream Theater CD.

HAY GUYZ, EVERY SONG HAS TO BE FANCY AND THEY HAVE TO PLAY AT LIKE ONE MILLION BPS!!!!!11111oneoneone

dont like it? dont listen to it...

hahaha...zing!!

If you can't hear the drums, get a hearing aid. I agree w/ everyone about the "emotion" in Adam's playing. One of Adam's characteristics that makes him a great guitarist/musician is that he knows when to play and when not to play so that it only adds to the sond and not detract from it. I hate when people measure a guitarist by how fast they can rip a solo - there's more to guitar playing than ball's out shreddin'.

Relevance to the thread = minimal

Already been said in this post even though its irrelevant = multiple times

Read the whole thing before you post this shit again. The makes a valid point. Even people agreed with him that they can't really hear the drums. That Adam drowns out the other (superior?) musicians.

Sub: the electronic farting comment was gold. I lol'd.

On a similar line of thought...perhaps the problem isn't with any particular instrument, but perhaps with the final mixdown.... and I am using the word "problem" very lightly. Besides, It's not like this was supposed to be Danny's big showcase where no one had ever heard him do anyhting crazy on the drums before.

You could think of the neato rolls in said part of the song as subtle touches of Danny the Drum Machine.

And I'm sure there are many songs you have heard before where there was something kinda cool in the background and you thought to yourself "That's cool. But it would be cooler if it were a little louder." There is no need to say that it is ruined just becasue it could be a little louder.

I just felt the need to say... bullshit.
The guitar work on this album is great, it fits the mood perfectly.

Vicarious Jambi - love the heavy guitars
Wings (pt 1) - I saw someone post once about the heavy part at like the 4:00 min mark that suddenly just cuts out, while I agreed at first it was too short I than thought of it as something beautiful that was cut short prematurely, IE Judith Marie.
10,000 Days - The slow dragging out and feedback of the one note for like 7 seconds gave me shivers over the amazing drums (which I can hear just fine)
The Pot - Initially HATED Maynard's vocals but when you start the bass and drums than throw in the guitars it is amazing.
LK/Rosetta Stoned - Do I even need to emphasize this materpiece of MUSIC, the lyrics may be odd but the WAY they are sung is awesome.
Intention - Love the electronic drums and lone guitar.
Right In Two - Love the mandalas, and the guitar while DEFINITLY NOT overbearing is great, even at the end when the shit hits the fan and the song explodes it is amazing.

It sounds awesome, and as for the Bass/Drums not being loud enough, I think it is perfect Tool is one of the few bands that actually attempts to make ALL instruments equal, when I listen to most music I pump my bass all the way up, with Tool I keep it even, because adding to much emphasis on one intrument fubbles the songs and takes away form the awesomeness they hold.

Hi submachine, you um suck....

You deserve to have over one million paper cuts all over your body, then get thrown into a 45 gallon bucket of salt.

well thats my opinion.