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Old 08-15-2006, 04:02 AM   #481
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

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High is the way, but our eyes are upon the ground

I only pray heaven knows when to urge you out
I'm not against the 1st one here (lives/eyes). Could be either IMO.

I will disagree with the 2nd one though (urge). I can definitely hear a final "-ft" for "lift", and I think it makes a lot more sense.

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Ignorant, flippant in the congregation

This little light of mine, it gives your past unto me
"Flippant" has been suggested before, and criticised on the grounds that it is an adjective and not a noun. I can kinda hear an initial "fl-" sound too, but I'm prepared to put that down to distortion. "Flippant" here would be like saying "ignorant angry in the congregation" - just weird grammar.

Next, I agree that "it gives your past unto me" fits more or less equally well for sound, but I find this to be an awkward lyric, and infinitely less powerful than "the gift you passed on to me".
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"Flippant" has been suggested before, and criticised on the grounds that it is an adjective and not a noun. I can kinda hear an initial "fl-" sound too, but I'm prepared to put that down to distortion. "Flippant" here would be like saying "ignorant angry in the congregation" - just weird grammar.
Flippant means to be disrespectful or casual, or even talkative. Either of those would fit in my opinion.
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

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^ OMG, in the post previous to this one (in another thread), I also mentioned the Matrix trilogy... spooky. I'd love to hear examples of the phenomenons...
...a few weeks later, I finally respond. I hope my following rant somehow addresses your request for me to elaborate on "the phenomenons" we originally brought up regarding the Matrix movies.. and perhaps it clarifies how I could possibly consider the "10,000 days" album as having mythological themes embedded within it.



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"If you take different mythologies from different cultures, the names may change and the story lines may vary but there is always something in common. "
-MJK

Well, as far as my understanding goes, these mythological "phenomenons" that are embedded within stories only take affect within the viewer/listener of the art (whether it's a movie or a song or a written narrative) if the viewer/listener is aware of their existence, if he is receiving the story with an awareness that there are common mythical themes purposefully at work within the story, or perhaps the song.

For instance, many people watch the Matrix movies and are completely unaffected by the series of events in the movies, they are completely oblivious to the fact that the Wichowskis have incorporated common mythical themes within the plot of the story for the purpose of emotionally affecting the viewer in some way. They do not notice any similarities between the plight of Neo and their own plight in life, or maybe between Neo and the supposed plight of Jesus. However, if you come to the Matrix movies with a pre-existing awareness that they are somehow related to mythology, and you are able to liken his plight to your own, then you are much more likely to receive the intended emotional affects (the catharsis, as some people say) from those literary/mythological themes. How much emotion you feel is of course relative to how closely you identify with the events in any particular movie/song.

One of the phenomenon's associated with the common affects of mythology on the receiver is that of identifying yourself with the hero figure. Certain things, if not many things, about the hero figure's life are similar to certain things about your own life, so you "introject" the events of the story within yourself and experience it all inwardly as if it were not separate from yourself, as if it were all happening within the world of your mind. It's thought that we are more able to have an emotional release while living vicariously off of a hero myth than we'd be able to if we actually went through the ordeal ourselves. This is because of our distance from real life intensity, from the real life need to actually respond in a life or death situation... the experience of the ordeal is tempered because we at some level know it is not really happening. Our guard becomes let down and we are able to go through the emotional experience at a much more controlled level because we are living vicariously than if we were the ones who were actually facing the hero's problems in our real lives. If we were experiencing the hero's ordeal in our real lives, and not vicariously through a narrative story, the situation would be too intense and we'd block out the flood of experiencing those intense emotions.


ANYWAY, way back in this thread I made the suggestion that the "10,000 days" album might be an attempt to affect such an emotional response from the listeners, or at least certain types of listeners; the ones who can identify in some way with the type of person who is characterized on tracks 7-8. These tracks very specifically characterize an anonymous individual who is trying to be a hero, but falling short. I used to believe also that tracks 3-4 were a masked attempt at getting the listener to identify with the "you" figure in those tracks as well (which at the end of #4 we become disillusioned and find out it is Judith Marie), but now I just think it's not worth the struggle to try and prove since it's very unlikely.

The general theme in tracks 3-4 is that an individual is a "passionate spirit...with a light in [their] eyes that could end all lies", and that they are the "only one who could hold [their] heads up high, to shake [their] fists at the gates". In other words, the "you" figure in tracks 3-4 is being implicated as a hero figure who needs to overcome their "10,000 days in the fire". This is typical for hero myths... that the hero must overcome some overbearing force.

I speculated that MJK might be working with casting a version of the hero myth within his lyrics for this album because other popular recording artists have apparently been doing it, each in their own ways. These other recording artists have casted the listener as a savior-type figure who needs to overcome their obstacles in life... and these artists have been carrying on this lyrical theme consistently throughout many of their albums.. so, I guess I began considering that MJK was incorporating this theme into his lyrics as well... just in a very original way.

I no longer really care to look much further into this possibility. It's far-fetched in the particular case of Tool. If anything, with this album they are CRITICIZING how certain other artists have taken on the role of sympathizers by incorporating this "you, the listener, are the hero" theme into their lyrics.

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Ignorant fibbers in the congregation, gathered around spewing sympathy. Spare me.
I considered here that he might be referring with "the congregation" to the surrounding trend of other popular culture artists, who offer such general sympathy in their lyrics. ex, "look how the stars shine for you" (Coldplay), "you be my angel, YOU" (Dave Matthews), "I'm handing it over. I'm saying that you're the only one" (Rufus Wainwright). All of these artists, and probably many more, continually offer sympathy in their lyrics that are meant to cast the listener of their music in the hero role within their own lives, which then is meant to have a positive emotional affect on that listener if they take the music to heart. :-\

MJK might be saying with the overall message of this album, "hey, if you think you're being cast as the 'chosen one' from this album, then you must be into some serious deadhead chemistry. I threw you a psychological curveball, mofo!".

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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

"This little light of mine, a gift you passed on to me, I'm gonna let it shine and guide you safely on your way...."

"This little light" is the title of a christian Sunday-school song, which has already been covered in posts above, as are it's lyrics. Another connection is the line "You were the one who iluminated your little piece of the divine...." Your little piece of the divine referring of course to MJK as his mother's child (after all,what is more "divine" to a mother than their child?), and now he's giving that "light" back to her in the form of this song. "Illuminated" in its use here doesn't necessisarily mean light in the literal sense, but could refer to education, beliefs, shared wisdom, or most importantly, in this case, love.

Other connections to "light' show up in the song "jimmy" from Aenima, and I think refer to the same thing.....
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

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Flippant means to be disrespectful or casual, or even talkative. Either of those would fit in my opinion.
I think you've missed my point. The problem isn't with the meaning of the word "flippant", but with the kind of word that it is.
It is an adjective or "describing word" just like "angry". Compare:

Adjectives: (Correct use)
There is an ignorant flippant person in the congregation
There is an ignorant angry person in the congregation


Nouns: (Incorrect use)
There is an ignorant flippant in the congregation
There is an ignorant angry in the congregation


An earlier post making the same point:
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=flippant

flippant is an adjective. you don't call someone "a flippant".. you say they are "being flippant," or "making flippant remarks."

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^ there are exceptions...
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Godin: I read your long post. Interesting. Although im pretty clear that xkd is an ode to his mother (exclusively), the hero myth for me is more present in tracks 7,8, not really in 3,4. and the ignorant fibbers/flippants in the congregation are, for me, the followers who attended church with Judith. simple as that. no need to look any further. the song is very straightforward.

the hero myth is FO SHO present in the matrix... ;)
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

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^ there are exceptions...
Can you provide an example of such an exception?
I've never seen or heard "flippant" being used as a noun before. Nor have I ever seen it listed as a noun in any dictionary. To anyone like me who knew of the word and its use before coming across it here, it's suggested use in this lyric just sounds silly.

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^ I knew you were gonna ask for examples!

Ok, um, one that comes to mind (hardly the fittest) is "yellow coward". You know how people call others simply "yellow", or "yellah". So there. I know it's not the best, but there you go.

I guess if you were already familiar with the word "flippant", and now see it used unproperly, then you're probably right. But there's always room for exceptions.

WTF is a fibber, anyways?

C&H is beyond cool comic. BR is more a philosopher than a mathematician, but I like him as well!
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

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^ I knew you were gonna ask for examples!

Ok, um, one that comes to mind (hardly the fittest) is "yellow coward". You know how people call others simply "yellow", or "yellah". So there. I know it's not the best, but there you go.

I guess if you were already familiar with the word "flippant", and now see it used unproperly, then you're probably right. But there's always room for exceptions.

WTF is a fibber, anyways?

C&H is beyond cool comic. BR is more a philosopher than a mathematician, but I like him as well!
That use of "yellow/yellah" is still an adjective. You can describe someone as yellow/stupid/flippant, but you can't call them a yellow, a stupid, or a flippant.
If it is the lyric here then it wouldn't be an exception, it would just be a grammatical error by Maynard.

A "fibber" is someone who fibs, tells lies. (I'm not convinced it is "fibbers" in the song. Sounds like "flibbers" to me, but I know that's not a word!)

Yeah, C&H is the shit. Very philosophical too at times. BR wasn't a mathematician, though he was a logician and a philosopher of mathematics. His writings on religion are very interesting, and I would definitely recommend them to any Toolfan.
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ive heard people call others a yellow, on the streets, of course. not on a dictionary. im sure there are better examples, but im too lazy right now to look for any...

I guess fibbers does make sense. so does flippants (if it were a noun, or an exception :P)

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i'm sure it's not fibbers or flippant, its families, makes much more sense, and if you listen carefully it sounds like a quick families "ignorant families in the congregation"
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Re: 04 - 10,000 Days (Wings pt 2) lyrics

"high is the way but our eyes are upon the ground"

she's going to heaven but everyones looking at the grave...


end of story.........
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i'm sure it's not fibbers or flippant, its families, makes much more sense, and if you listen carefully it sounds like a quick families "ignorant families in the congregation"
nah it really isnt. theres a harder 'b' or 'p' sound. really deinately isnt families. also it doesnt make any more sense than fibbers... infact probably less. he want to be spared from those spewing false sympathy...

ta be honest i swear i here flippers... but thats so clearly not it, that i spose ill put my money behind fibbers. flippant could sound right... but yeh, so very wrong grama and sense wise.
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"high is the way but our eyes are upon the ground"

she's going to heaven but everyones looking at the grave...


end of story.........
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I know i used to say that it was lives, but i hear it now, its eyes. and your interpretation really does cut it for me...
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im sure its families, more pronounced famlies with a very abbrieviated fam, almost fmlies
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I dont think so
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Quote: "she's going to heaven but everyones looking at the grave..."

Nice theory, my one is "high as a wave, but our eyes are upon the ground", refering to back when she lived, meaning that she was "higher" than everybody, but still they look at her from above, because she was weelchair-bound.
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high as a wave...

i gotta ask: why wave, T21?
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i don't mean to be narky, but it's HIGH IS THE WAY BUT OUR EYES ARE UPON THE GROUND

once again, end of story... it sounds like nothing else, and nothing else makes as much sense, the whole time maynard is singing about how everyone seems to have it wrong, read all the previous lyrics in the song and he's clearly singing that point across. and this line 'high is the way' compounds that, everyone is still once again getting it wrong. i think it might even be a celebration of her release from the 10,000 days of fire. he's glad she's gone cause she's gone to buttload of a better place than this pisshole.

when the official lyrics come out i'll be collecting my winnings over this.

love you's all ya smelly bastards!
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i don't mean to be narky, but it's HIGH IS THE WAY BUT OUR EYES ARE UPON THE GROUND

once again, end of story... it sounds like nothing else, and nothing else makes as much sense, the whole time maynard is singing about how everyone seems to have it wrong, read all the previous lyrics in the song and he's clearly singing that point across. and this line 'high is the way' compounds that, everyone is still once again getting it wrong. i think it might even be a celebration of her release from the 10,000 days of fire. he's glad she's gone cause she's gone to buttload of a better place than this pisshole.

when the official lyrics come out i'll be collecting my winnings over this.
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i'm just assuming you're bastards
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when i said "everyone is still once again getting it wrong." i wasn't referring to anyone having the lyrics wrong, i was meaning that it was 'wrong' to be lamenting judith maries passing when they should instead be celebrating her 'ascendance'.

anyone care to talk to me with regards to this idea? i personally think i'm spot on but hey, these are maynards lyrics, i'm sure they mean more than one thing and we might still have no idea of any of the meanings in reality.

i do sincerely loves you all. and you are sincerely smelly bastards

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Quote: "she's going to heaven but everyones looking at the grave..."

Nice theory, my one is "high as a wave, but our eyes are upon the ground", refering to back when she lived, meaning that she was "higher" than everybody, but still they look at her from above, because she was weelchair-bound.
Guys!? he just said "river overruns..." it's wave!

REFERring to a tidal wave, ie people starring at the beach as if hipnotised. Not realizing that the waters on it's way back, with grim consequence.

This song may obvously be about "Judith Marie..." but it's sung in a metaphoric sense of the end of times and second coming...yada yada.
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nah it really isnt. theres a harder 'b' or 'p' sound. really deinately isnt families. also it doesnt make any more sense than fibbers... infact probably less. he want to be spared from those spewing false sympathy...

ta be honest i swear i here flippers... but thats so clearly not it, that i spose ill put my money behind fibbers. flippant could sound right... but yeh, so very wrong grama and sense wise.
Ah ha! it is flippers!
I myself am from OH and when we wish to say fuckers or fuckin' and we don't want to be quite so rude, often we'll spit out "flippin" (maybe cause we're somwhere like a funeral) or if you happen to be opening a childs new toy, you may say aloud "Why are there so many flippin' staples in this box!"

Hence Maynard thingking to himself (about his family and loved ones)
"ignorant flippers in the congregation,
gather around spewing sympothy, spare me."

Note: the spewed sympathy is not nessasarily(SP) false, he just wishes to be spared the gestures that consolling people often wish to extend.

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A: it's fibbers/figures
B: it's high is the way - i do not care what anyone says, he does NOT say 'wave' listen closely for the V sound... not there is it? cause he doesn't say wave....

when did i ask where you were from? anyone can say flippers instread of fuckers, i don't remember it being legislated to people from ohio only...

spare me

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A: it's fibbers/figures
B: it's high is the way - i do not care what anyone says, he does NOT say 'wave' listen closely for the V sound... not there is it? cause he doesn't say wave....
You're not serious, are you?
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totally serious
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Sorry if this sounded like an asshole - I would be pissed off from that comment.

All I wanna say is that Maynard likes to swallow and add many letters, lol, some words on AEnima sound very strange and I don't think you need to hear a definate v sound to get the possibility of a "wave".
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A: it's fibbers/figures
B: it's high is the way - i do not care what anyone says, he does NOT say 'wave' listen closely for the V sound... not there is it? cause he doesn't say wave....

when did i ask where you were from? anyone can say flippers instread of fuckers, i don't remember it being legislated to people from ohio only...

spare me
Well since Maynard is also from OH, dork. I was relating to the slang used locally. You can also clearly hear FL at the begining of the word, listen to it, when your thinking fibbers, it sounds like a tiny glitch in there. If you think flippers, then it sounds right.
As for way or wave, there's clearly no V sound emphisized(sp) because he says: but are eyes r upon the ground so close to the word wave. If the V were vocalized he would run out of room. Why would it be way? There's too much assumption in "way", the way of what? Again he just mentioned the river, I don't see the confusion.

and we're working on the legislation currently.
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don't call me a dork, i find it extremely hard to believe that the slang 'flippers' is an OH only term. and you're just trying to give credibility to your argument and trying to bring attention to yourself "oh i from ohio, so is maynard, i'm in the "in" club now, i'm cool and i know better cause i'm from the same state as MAYNARD, I KNOW what the lyrics REALLY are...." you say "slang used locally" like it couldn't possibly be used anywhere else. that pressure holds no sway.

spare me

as for your other comments you're purely rationalizing, like i said when the official lyrics are realeased i'll be collecting a big payout for being RIGHT. (run out of room? HAH!)
if by some ridiculous turn of events he does turn out to be saying WAVE i'll punch the little bald prick in the face myself. i suppose he also says "you are the light and the WAVE they'll only read about" ???

i just read your theory about flippers again... i realise it's not even worth talking about.
flippers is ridiculous. i'd be ashamed of maynard for stooping to such a linguistic low.

i'm tired of arguing a moot point anyhow, i think we should move on to meanings of the lyrics. we're at the end of the fucking "i think he says this" rope...

for the last time "high is the way but our eyes are upon the ground" Celebrate ascension, not lament descension.

no hard feelings or anything. but being from ohio doesn't put you in any kind of unique position. you're not better than us. your flippant boring innacurate interpretation of the *incorrect lyrics are testament to that.

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don't call me a dork, i find it extremely hard to believe that the slang 'flippers' is an OH only term. and you're just trying to give credibility to your argument and trying to bring attention to yourself "oh i from ohio, so is maynard, i'm in the "in" club now, i'm cool and i know better cause i'm from the same state as MAYNARD, I KNOW what the lyrics REALLY are...." you say "slang used locally" like it couldn't possibly be used anywhere else. that pressure holds no sway.

spare me

as for your other comments you're purely rationalizing, like i said when the official lyrics are realeased i'll be collecting a big payout for being RIGHT. (run out of room? HAH!)
if by some ridiculous turn of events he does turn out to be saying WAVE i'll punch the little bald prick in the face myself. i suppose he also says "you are the light and the WAVE they'll only read about" ???

i just read your theory about flippers again... i realise it's not even worth talking about.
flippers is ridiculous. i'd be ashamed of maynard for stooping to such a linguistic low.

i'm tired of arguing a moot point anyhow, i think we should move on to meanings of the lyrics. we're at the end of the fucking "i think he says this" rope...

for the last time "high is the way but our eyes are upon the ground" Celebrate ascension, not lament descension.

no hard feelings or anything. but being from ohio doesn't put you in any kind of unique position. you're not better than us. your flippant boring innacurate interpretation of the *incorrect lyrics are testament to that.
The fact that you are using Maynard's lyrics to "prove your point" make you look much less credible. Stop using "spare me" in every post you make. We know what the lyrics are and don't need you to continually stick them randomly into your posts.

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[QUOTE=Steedus;1390887]don't call me a dork, i find it extremely hard to believe that the slang 'flippers' is an OH only term. and you're just trying to give credibility to your QuoteEND]



I don't care what you say or where you say it. I never implied this was some OH only saying, it was just a point.

It's pretty offensive to imply that someone is such a loser wannabe.
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So I suppose he just can't say fibbers clearly, is that what you contend? You still have not said much about the sounds of the words themselves. I think you'd rather just blast people than talk about the lyric
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for the last time "high is the way but our eyes are upon the ground" Celebrate ascension, not lament descension..
In the whole song, he never says anything so literaly discribing as you contend that he does here.
Note, when he sings "ignorant fibbers/flippers in the congregation..." A congregation doesn't pertain to a WAKE or SHOWING.
In fact the whole line (that YOU contend) is totally out of context to the song.
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so, benji, whats your guess on that line again?

i happen to agree with steedus, and the line isnt out of context at all. its talking about ascension; judith deserving her wings... i dont think thats out of context!
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so, benji, whats your guess on that line again?

i happen to agree with steedus, and the line isnt out of context at all. its talking about ascension; judith deserving her wings... i dont think thats out of context!
I think he purposely doesn't write so literally.
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Again, while this song is sertainly re. Judith, at least it is to Maynard. I also feel it's sung in a metaphoric theme of the end of days (or at least nearing them) which some feel is upon us. "It's time now" for a new chapter to be written, another savior to be amung us. Give Maynard HIS wings, for being a soulfull believer. Not in christianity but the next step, recognition of, and devotion to, one's own soul as god itself. For being a beacon of inspiration to all, and for all.
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I think there's a consensus up to here in the words, but then I think it's...

"but enough about the collective judas. Who could deny, you were the one who
illuminated a vital piece of the devine."

he's saying that he's heard enough about how Judas (and summarily all critics of the christian faith) are so evil and dispicable. MJK knows all too well that the lesson
of Judas is the final and perhaps most vital of all. That it was better for him to bare witness to his savior than to lie.

"'n this little light of mine, a gift you passed on to me. I'll let it shine to guide you
safely on your way, your way home."

the "light" is the information, the lesson of Judas. Most (if not all) prominent figures in organized religion today denounce the actions of Judas even though Jesus explained them also. This is what seperates all of us, enlightenment.

"high is the wave but our eyes are upon the ground."

talking about all the dumb fucks looking at all the wrong things at all the wrong times. Such as people tend to do.
Ya know, he kinda explains, when in"rosetta stoned" he talks about how the next savior is in a mental hospital somewhere. He also is quoted ON THIS WEBSITE as saying "...hear my music and be inspired to do something great...I don't want to take anyones interopritation away from them..." I think he means, not just great but the greatest. Like hey guy you know if your out there, it's time man, get this thing (the evolution) started.

that's why it's 'wave' and not way.
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well, while your interpretation is indeed elaborate, please allow me to say that from my point of view, youre reading too much into it.

i feel that finally, MJK has decided to write straightforward lyrics, about his FEELINGS, and especially those reserved for his mother. its pretty personal for him (i imagine), and he (or at least I) would want the message to be clear in intention and finality. so, while your explanation is sorta off (not totally), it does coincide with the whole issue of ascension, etc, and in the specific case of this song, its all about Judith and the life she led. let us not forget that Christians believe in Heaven, a higher form of living, a paradise. so, having that in mind, "high is the way, but all eyes (or 'our lives') are upon the ground" makes perfect sense. and thats just not reading too much into it. not abstracting as much.

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