I don't understand why everyone thinks they need to be up there as the greats by most people. They're greats for all of us, aren't they? Why does everyone else need it? I agree with Tool being recognized for their work and all that, but they don't NEED to be compared to Zepellin of Floyd. I think they're right up there for us, and that's all that's important.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks they need to be up there as the greats by most people. They're greats for all of us, aren't they? Why does everyone else need it? I agree with Tool being recognized for their work and all that, but they don't NEED to be compared to Zepellin of Floyd. I think they're right up there for us, and that's all that's important.
See that's like being a fan of a sport's team and never wanting them to win a championship. It's not that were saying they NEED to... just that it would be cool. It would be nice for them to gain some serious recognition for the same reasons that we all (well most of us) still appreciate them. It would be a shame for something of their artistic caliber to be a blimp in music and art history in the next 100 years.
Kids aspire to be rock gods, wouldn't it be nice for them to aspire to be something like Tool rather than oh.... Bon Jovi? (lol, just trying to make a point)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bent out of shape over this... it's just an interesting thing to discuss.
Edit: Also it's not just Tool that is in this boat. There are plenty of other examples... so maybe we should just drop this whole convo... or not, i dont really care. This thread is like a chat room anyways.
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Oh no, I'm all for them being recognized. Really, it would be cool. But I mean it kind of sounds like to some guys that they won't be recognized as greats by those particular fans unless they're recognized as greats by the majority of people, which I'm afraid won't happen in Tool's case. They're just too damn independent XDD Can you imagine Maynard accepting an entrance to the hall of fame?
I totally understand that one, my younger brothers sits in the other room listening to Bon Jovi all the time and then comes in and complains that he can't play them on the guitar. I'd rather be shot. Luckily, my stereo (playing Tool, APC, Puscifer, take your pick) plays a lot louder than his does ;D
I just realized I get around on these forums waaaaay too much (look at recent posts, it's like SpiralOut34....SpiralOut34...Spiral....)
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Speaking of which, I'm listening to the St. Paul show right now. Pretty fantastic sound, interesting too. Maynard does a different version of the time travel line before Intolerance, Adam messes up the intro to Forty Six & 2, and the Lateralus is pretty staggering. Actually, it's been worth listening to every show on the tour just to hear the Intolerance and Lateralus jams. The things I would do to sit in on one of their practice/jam/writing sessions....
St Paul was phenomenal.
How many... of you... are familiar with the term... time machine?
Can you imagine Maynard accepting an entrance to the hall of fame?
Yes, I actually can, especially if it helps his wine sale. ;-)
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I'm afraid won't happen in Tool's case. They're just too damn independent
Exactly, music, among other forms of art, but more so with music, seems to exist in a dichotomy in today's world; you've gotta be either indie or mainstream. One can argue that's primarily due to the fans. Do you remember when Maynard said Paul D'Amour was a victim of "indie guilt"? To drive point closer to home, it didn't really sit well with me when I found out you can play TOOL on Guitar hero because my first thought was "Oh great, TOOL is selling out and going mainstream." But then, Jimmy Hendrix is on GH too, and I never thought he was a sell-out during his time.
Marketing has something to do with it, too. To be mainstream, you have to fit into a preconceived mold conjured up by marketing and focus groups. It's sort of a "safe bet" kind of thing, which of course stifles artistic innovation. And when you're indie and innovate, you are not and cannot be a safe investment to be promoted to the mainstream. This just was not the case during the time of Pink Floyd, Zepplin et al.
And this marketing notion of mainstream/indie feeds right back to the population at large, dividing us right in two as either mainstream or indie--never both, which then perpetuates the marketing/sale motivation explained above. Sad.
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Does anyone else find it amusing that real guitarists suck at guitar hero and guitar hero guys can't play guitar? I've ran into this on several occasions, and I'm one of the guitarists who can't play it worth shit...even on easy. It's hard to play a song the wrong way when you know how to play it right, you know?
Anyway. the above is a good point. The mainstream is never gonna pick up Tool and allow it to become one of those greats, just because they want those cookie-cutter bands. Not Tool, who doesn't fit any mold ever made, imo. And I like how you mentioned "dividing us right in two", because my head immediately yells "Right In Two!!":P
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The terms "mainstream" and "all-time greats" are just concepts in your head though, just remember. They're not real. What's real (or rather, what truly matters), is whether or not a piece of art moves you. I want Tool's music to reach as many minds as possible, who might appreciate Tool, or who would otherwise somehow benefit from hearing them. (I'm thinking of MJK's "positive speech" during the Lateralus tour, specifically from some of the '01 shows, where he stated that he hoped that the music had affected the audience somehow, even if they were simply indifferent to it.) I also feel glad for them that they are financially sound as a result of their musical exploits. I suppose they've earned it. Beyond that, I really don't give a fuck about some arbitrary concept of how much they've "made it". All of us on this board know of their existence. Isn't that enough??? There's no collective, all-knowing body 'out there' that exists to determine which bands categorically lie on the upper echelon of all music. It's ALL FRIGGIN' SUBJECTIVE!! If everyone bought into that sense of false consciousness, then there would be no 'pushing of the envolpe'. There would be no Tool. No Pink Floyd. Perhaps Beethoven would have felt that Classical/Romantic music was bullshit, and resorted to composing Gregorian chants.
Having said that, I do sorta see where hushypushy is coming from in the sense that, perhaps we've yet to witness Tool's mighty apex. They could cease from playing together tomorrow, and as sad as I'd be, I'd feel more than content with all of the Greatness that they've delivered to this guy's noggin. On the other hand though, I'm as excited as anyone to experience what they've been working on, especially since seeing/hearing them last month.
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I understand. I was under the impression that Tool was writing again and would be recording, not another APC run. *tears up tablature book in frustration* Stupid wine-making, multi-project playing, brilliant non-human....in the meantime, I do rather enjoy APC. They've got some cool stuff.
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It would be really cool to see them. I don't know how excited my parents would be if I went to a Tool and APC concert all in the same year though, could be expensive XD
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it means they are officially working on a perfect circle
hence the new twitter account with its first post announcing "it's on"
It could just mean that their twitter account is "on". Since they just acquired it. Although the promise was that they would make new music if that dude gave them the twitter acct. I'm sure they were going to do that anyway... but it was an obvious gesture of "Hey dude, can we have this, please?"
To spiral... again, relax dude, see my other post.
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So I don't know if this was already spoken about but... what did you guys think of the extension in intolerance? I didn't like it at first but the version in Seattle is sick.
So I don't know if this was already spoken about but... what did you guys think of the extension in intolerance? I didn't like it at first but the version in Seattle is sick.
the more they played it, the cooler it got IMO. I think there and Lateralus they are truly jamming, just feeling around for what to do. The one in St. Paul was pretty sweet too, as was the one in San Francisco.
Anyone heard/remember the 1997 version of extended Stinkfist? It was way different (it started with the Danny mandala (?) thingy) but they soon settled into the current extended version. At first it was really basic but they've played it literally hundreds of times and now it's one of the sweetest parts of the entire setlist. I REALLY hope they keep extended Intolerance in the lineup for the next (album's) tour and build on it.
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I get the feeling I'm going to get torn to pieces for stating this, but....
I cried during Intolerance. It may be personal experience (which I am not going to go into) But there is something about hearing hundreds of people sing along to this with Maynard. The extended version was awesome. I guess it got better later, I was at the 2nd show of the tour (Houston, June 20th) but I enjoyed it immensely, as it is one of my favorites off Undertow.
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Anyone heard/remember the 1997 version of extended Stinkfist? It was way different (it started with the Danny mandala (?) thingy) but they soon settled into the current extended version. At first it was really basic but they've played it literally hundreds of times and now it's one of the sweetest parts of the entire setlist.
That was cool, but my personal favorite version of Stinkfist was during the 2001 tour when MJK broke into "White Lines" during the break.
Yo people, what's been going on? I've been extremely busy with work and haven't been around lately? What's the latest? Any word on a release for the new album or is it still rumored for spring? Hopefully it will be followed by a full on tour in which I can hit 4 or 5 shows!!!
To those of you freaking out over Maynard working with Billy/APC again: don't. It's been well documented and stated by everyone involved that (and this is the case with a LOT of other bands) the vocals/lyrics are one of the final pieces of the puzzle with Tool.
Adam, Justin and Danny are notorious for meticulously exploring many, many different avenues while jamming/writing and Maynard finds it frustrating to try to write his stuff at the same time. When the structure is changing, it's really, really hard to write lyrics and all that. So...
No need to fret over him using his time wisely. He's proven himself to be quite the multi-tasker, and by all accounts, the relationship between the four guys in Tool is better than ever.
To those of you freaking out over Maynard working with Billy/APC again: don't. It's been well documented and stated by everyone involved that (and this is the case with a LOT of other bands) the vocals/lyrics are one of the final pieces of the puzzle with Tool.
Adam, Justin and Danny are notorious for meticulously exploring many, many different avenues while jamming/writing and Maynard finds it frustrating to try to write his stuff at the same time. When the structure is changing, it's really, really hard to write lyrics and all that. So...
No need to fret over him using his time wisely. He's proven himself to be quite the multi-tasker, and by all accounts, the relationship between the four guys in Tool is better than ever.
Relax. Breathe. Good things are afoot.
In addition to this, Maynard just tweeted for Caduceus that they will be harvesting soon (http://twitter.com/caduceuscellars). All info taken from interviews, APC's website and corresponding twitter accounts suggests that Billy and Maynard have been dabbling, and will now (or very soon) start work on just a handful of new songs (don't expect much more than 2 or 3). These songs will likely be released digitally and may or may not be included in a few soundtracks. There is no indication of an APC tour or new album. Just hopes and rumors.
With regard to Tool, Maynard does have his contributions to the intrumentals, however as Nusense said, he's very good at multi-tasking and it's not pivotal for him to be there. Vocals evolve gradually as Adam, Danny and Justin compose.... but it isn't until they start settling on a final piece that Maynard can get real work done.
And based on where they are at now when compared to the recording timelines of previous records... best guess says the next album will be out early 2011.
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where is the july newsletter? all i see on toolband is the june one. i know its out there cause fourtheye talks about it and so have a few posts on here. link please?
