Well, thank you tool for giving us an album no-one predicted. No-one thought wed get what we got, and im happy for it.

right

erm... did someone say pointless thread

umm, yah me 2.

Flame.

Ive coem to the conclusion Tool could record them selfs pissing in a tin cup and some of you woudl be like..
"OMG its them evolving!! there progressive!!, if you dont like it then you dont get it!!!"

Im betting anyone that has followed Tool since the early 90's and who has attended well over 15 shows isnt impressed with this album..they find it enjoyable yet mediocre.

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wrong bet buddy.

grow up, man.

It's called a joke, blafuckbla

alright.

glad we understand eachother. you see in one of tools songs maynard screams die!!! at the very end. That is why I used it. I mean no harm. I come in peace.

This is rubbish. The new album is utterly fantastic and its just a shame your music taste hasnt evolved since the early 90s. things have moved on, embrace change and dont be so afraid of something new.

I completely agree. Some people feel that since THEY don't think it's great the whole world must agree or they just haven't listened to tools earlier work. But I find the ones that actually do like this album like good music and the ones that don't, listen to the deftones...ok, I made that part up about the deftones.

Well..lets see I havent changed but I watched them young and angry on Opiate...then Maynard comign to terms with his anger by seekign an inner child and openign up about his child hood on Anema...Then a progression into a truely spiritual positive force on Lateralus desribed through inner/outter conflict (having a grudge-being patient--a small thing a schism--then the awakening Parabol/Lat--then lets Reflect) about the problem--..now I get an album full of used riffs, funky song, songs that dont explode or go anyweres..

Seems as there progression has stopped..face it folks this is the end..theres no more pain..no more awakening..its basically a collection of different topics..no general concept..

Yeah, no pain at all. that wings for marie song is really happy.

I like the CD, but okay.

Ok yeah its sad..but theres just no concept..the album is really all over the place..and yes there is alwasy that 1 song that is out there (Hooker&Ticks)..but the album has no real direction..no general thought..

Deftones died when they released White Pony..except for Passenger and House.

Oh golly gee. I was kidding.

I like bjork. there make fun of me.

I'm aware what you are saying about the massive evolution from album to album and it is correct that it has been more striking in the past. But this album is an important piece in the tool puzzle as well. This is a record designed to get things out of maynards system. Issues he wants to resolve, ie with his mother. There has been no room for spiritual or major lifestyle or viewpoint changes as maynard has been dealing with some serious emotional issues. This record is Maynard dealing with his own problems, hopefully clearing the air for the massive evolution to the next record. 10,000 days is important

Maybe so, but it's still no reason to not like the album. Every album doesn't have to be a concept piece. But I do see an overall theme of struggle actually.

I dont think there is really a next step..whats left?

Now he has gotten out his mothers death and rehashed the theme from Stinkfist..did a Stoner song Like Third Eye (yet Third Eye had a meaning deeper then a funny story)..a knocked out a very eMotive Tool Song with Right in Two..

but whats left? Songs about Devo going to College? Songs about his wine? What ever political atrocity happens in the next few years? Will a sibling die??

Theres no weres left for Tool to go..they all have grown up..become mega stars..found there selfs spiritualy..songs are rehashed..lyrics are mediocre and lack metaphor..
Now all we can rely on is current events..

well, you can't convert someone when they think they know the truth.

Man, deftones didn't die when they released white pony, it was when they released their self-titled album (after white pony) when it went to shit, but anyways this isn't a thread about Deftones, it's about Tool, and in my opinion the new album is fantastic and i can't wait until the fall

I do agree with you that any logical routes of progression seem lame. But when have tool ever done what you expected. Im hoping they have something left up their sleeve. Im pretty sure this isnt their last album. I seriously think they will want to go out with some kind of bang, although i have no idea what that really entails

Im nto thinking its there last album..
Im just saying theres no weres left to go to "open my third eye" so to say..

Next album, mark my word..will be great music as usual..but no general concept besides the ones I mentioned that might happen..
No song that will lead me to read a book about 46&2, no wondering what this spiral shit is about, no depth...just current events or rehashed topics..

But that leads me to this question...why does tool have to teach us anything?

missed my point, yo.

your point was you like the deftones and you like the new album right? I'm not that slow.

This statement is proven by the statement below.

Embracing change doesn't mean loving it. It would be counterproductive for me to, for example, stay angry and say the Tool album sucks day in and day out until the next album comes out, rather than just get over it. I accept the fact that in my opinion Tool's new record is not as good as Lateralus or Aenima. I accept the fact they have changed and are different. Too bad, because I don't like the differences. You like it, good, enjoy. I don't need anyone to tell me "how" to like it. I've tried with what energy I think is worth such a cause.

I hope you are right.

I think this album is a change for Tool. Like most people have said before, and will say after, there is no one theme in this album like the previous ones. For me this album seems to be split up into two parts. The first being from Vicarious until the end of Wings(Pt 1 & 2) and then from Right in Two until the end of Vigniti Trees. Both of these parts hold their own themes for me.

there is no puzzle. this album is weak. it is.

listen to the old shit. this album is nowhere near inventive.

I'm back and forth. I'm glad they made some new shit. but this is limp.

if your honest there is no denying it. they didn't work on this with previous passion

I love the new album, but if there's one thing it's NOT, it's unpredictable.

It's almost entirely the album I would have expected them to make.

Hey groan, I also have listened to tool since Undertow's release (admitting I did not know who they were during the opiate year).

While I respect your opinion and you have every right to have it, I feel that when you speak for other people I should defend myself. I disagree about your Tool progression (or lack-thereof) theory. Clearly they are not angst ridden any more and certainly have all grown as musicians idividually and as a collective unit. Maynard is finding better ways of expressing himself than in the opiate days when (as much as i did enjoy the agression) would resort to the shallow Fuck you's and Eat shit lyric. He is much more poetic nowadays so his anger and pain is not straight forward as it used to be. I certainly think there is a lot less of it, but good for him if is is happier than he used to be.

One other note. No tool album is much of a "concept album".
Opiate isn't even a record, but a collection of live and studio songs.
Undertow is possibly symbollic of it's water theme, but that is really only considerate of a couple of tracks as well.
Aenima is all over the board, Stinkfist, H, pushit relationship (ala schism), Eulogy was his religious song (ala opiate, judith, wings), jimmy was his song about his youth (ala wings). Anyways, all of there albums aren't tied into one main idea persay, but rather the records capture a mood. I agree that 10000days does not set in on one mood as much as Aenima and Lateralus, but I also don't think that I want to hear a band who releases every single album with restictions on this sort of thing.

that's cool.

lets concentrate on angels. they are lovely.

maybe we can have a go with santa claus metaphores. he's fit for all seasons

Oh..poor bastard he doesnt like hes favorite cool band´s new album aaaawwww...die

people didn't like lateralus when it came out either.



this is an amazing album. watch some interviews with the band on youtube and you'll see that they think so too. they did put passion into the album, more than anything they've ever done before. you simply want the psychological comfort of people agreeing with you about the album being bad because you're insecure. you feel guilty about disliking it and supress this guilt. it's being released as angst. you will flame me.

Yeah i would have to say that if anyone is a true tool fan maybe they would pick up on the having an open mind and excepting what tool is releasing .......nad not fuckin bitching about what they should do i would love to see any motherfucker that is talking shit on tool's new album be able to write and or record anything near as good as tools worst song ............so FUCK OFF AND QUIT TALKING SHIT ON 10000 DAYS it is areally good album and maybe you would realize that if you were an actual fan and not just some bullshit fake like this fucker above