sinfall

ahhh makes sense :) we noticed coming off the crew bus a 40ish woman wearing teenage girl clothing with a backstage pass on her shorts.....hmmmmm LOL

jwb

Plus Maynard has that "sweet" paint job on his.

Junior, you know the deal with that?

sinfall

Paul Frank design

junior

Actually wasn't a paint job.
It was a decal (or "wrap", as they like to call it) and was only on there during the first half of 2007.
He has a good friend that works for Paul Frank.

junior

That sounds like a description of the tour riggers wife (I know, boring answer).
They are from the D.C. area.

jwb

So who did you roll with, and how were the living conditions?

jwb

Is anybody planning on going to the MJK wine bottle signing thingy tomorrow?

sinfall

ahh i see. not a "boring" answer. :)

junior

The conditions are quite nice on any of them.
I probably shouldn't discuss who else was on the bus I was on.

jwb

Fair enough.

Ross

Hey guys check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOGCDc34m-4... Tmax found this it is pretty cool don't know if any of you guys have seen it... Give it a look

sinfall

understandable! so why is it you dedicate so much time to answering our questions?

junior

With Tool not touring at the moment, I'm bored.
For all the things that are kept secretive, I think there are also a lot of things that might as well (and can) be discussed, so what the hell.

Also, I think that just the nature of how close Tool tends to keep their cards leads to a lot of false rumors and conjecture, so a little openness helps diffuse some of that.

junior

that is pretty cool

VinDieselFiesta

i'll bet this has been asked before many times junior so feel free to tell me to fuck off. why the little variation in setlists?

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junior

I don't think there was ever any sort of official word on that, but my take is that they felt they had put together a good set of songs and were satisfied with it.
I know that in the past there have been wild variations now and again, and the history of their setlists has been debated to death in these forums, but there has almost always been at least some form of structure to the setlist for at least as long as I've witnessed (which goes back to 1996).
The "10,000 Days" tour did seem to be less flexible than previous tours, and the exact reasoning for this can only be answered inside of a circle that doesn't reach out as far as me.
I would have liked more variety myself (I saw the show around 200 times!), but if that's the show they wanted to present, then I guess that's their prerogative.
I think on past tours that were more varied they were constantly searching for the right formula, and this time around I think they felt they figured it out and stuck with it.
For the arena tour there was a definite conscious effort to have a very specific build to the show as a whole and that included certain ebbs and flows throughout the course. That was decided on as far back as the warm-up tour, so I reckon that's when they started figuring out the correct song order.

As far as repeat customers go, you can't expect it to be like a Grateful Dead tour. If it bothers people that much, don't read reviews ahead of time and don't go to multiple shows. I can guarantee you that the overwhelming majority of attendees that didn't have any prior knowledge enjoyed it much more because of that. I've been on tours with other acts that might as well have had a printed script, but the audience didn't know that because they hadn't read up on it before they went, and they enjoyed the shit out of it.

I know this doesn't necessarily translate directly to a live band, but if someone goes to see a movie or a play twice they don't expect different stuff to happen. I only bring this up because I think Tool are going more for a Pink Floyd style of concert experience where the band themselves are just a part of the show as a whole rather than being a "traditional" rock band on a stage. There's nothing wrong with the traditional setup and it works just fine for a lot of bands, but I think Tool desire to make something more of it.
Sure, this can come off sounding like they are pretty full of themselves, and I'm not saying they think they are Pink Floyd, but Tool has long had the banner of "Art Rock" swirling around them so I wouldn't expect them to follow the accepted rules of band/crowd relationships.

And again in closing, I would have liked to hear some different songs, too.

banned

Have you guys seen a Pink Floyd Animals tour set list? It didn't change either...all of Animals, all of Wish You Were Here, Money & Brain Damage for an encore. When Zep toured Physical Graffiti they didn't change the set list much either, played ~4 songs off their new double album. And for the Presence tour they only played two songs off the album while touring initially. I can't imagine the shit that would fly around here if Tool had just completed the 10,000 Days tour having only played Vicarious and Jambi off the new album.

jwb

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't complain if they played all of Aenima, all of Lateralus, and Right in Two & The Pot as an encore...

blp

This is probably been said 1m times over in the other forums regarding setlists, not exactly what you said, but the general idea about setlists...

I just have one opinion to add to this illustrious thread that I can't live a day without checking in on--even though the setlist isn't what maybe I myself had in mind as being "the ideal" or whatever... this is what Tool thought it should be. Since they wrote the music and present the stage show, I kinda trust them.

It's kind of like a good GM, the fans might think his trade sucked, but he knows deep down it makes the overall product better.

And jwb you post quality posts on here, I'm not bagging on your post one bit, because a setlist as you described above WOULD be a great show, but it wouldn't be much different that just listening to an album with visuals mixed in. What you got during the 10k days tour was a refined, well oiled machine that was in prime operating condition. They put it down, every night. Period. I think we ought to just say thanks.

I played in a band for 5+ years, probably played somewhere in the neighborhood of *shrug* i dunno, like I'm guessing 200-300 shows... and to put out the quality of live performance Tool puts out is very very hard to do. Not only to get up for each night (just ask MJK) but to keep the enthusiasm and to play those songs HARD as the first time they came together.

I was at 3 shows during the 10k days tour and each one was subsequently better than the previous. All were A+ shows btw. Especially the last one in SF--seeing Tool do a cover of a great song like Holiday in Cambodia was freaking awesome. They are still the most powerful sounding band in the world imo, even when covering a punk song. Their sound is so huge...

Anyways... digressing... You get the point I think of what I'm trying to say. I don't post often... but maybe I will start posting more. I dig following these conversations and dig the insight Jr. has been providing us...

So while we're at it... I sure wish they would have found the time to play disposition/reflection/triad after they do Lateralus. I love the way those songs move together... And for my money, Lateralus has got to be the best live song I've ever witnessed... and is probably my favorite song (If I had to pick) ever. It's just a damn perfect song... and the message in the lyrics is beyond words amazing.

Just hope they keep going and we get more shows and more music in the future... I will be drooling in anticipation ever since reading Jr's post about how they want to take the show to the next level... what could that possibly be!?!?!

jwb

All good, my friend.
Was being more facetious than anything else. Basically, just remarking out of boredom about the Pink Floyd setlists posted previously. I went to a bunch a shows on the last tour and they were all great. The only real complaint I had was the last 2 shows at the Pearl, when I dropped a lot a cash to go out there for their final shows of the tour, and they didn't switch it up a bit. It was still cool, had a great time, met some nice folks.
Just wanted to hear something... different, for once.
Still, would do it all again in a minute. ;)

blp

For me at the last SF show it was when they played Flood... Had been a while since I'd seen that live. SO great. Man some good times those shows... Wish it was something that could be seen more often, but then I guess it wouldn't be as special.

Hopefully, in about .. 2-3 years we'll get to see it all again.

sonnyboy11

Thanks for that. Very cool. Sent it to a bunch of friends.

sonnyboy11

To be fair about the Zep tour for Presence, they played the two absolutely most badass songs off that album- Achilles Last Stand, which is a 10 minute+ tour de force, and Nobody's Fault But Mine. Now, I am a fan of Presence. It's vastly underrated. And not doing Hots On For Nowhere and Candy Store Rock would have bothered me had I attended that tour. But the latter two songs are a closer comparison to what it would have been like if Tool only played Vicarious and Jambi (actually those are better songs than the either Hots On.. or Candy Store Rock). Achilles Last Stand and Nobody's Fault are more closely compared to Wings 1&2 and Right In Two, if we really have to pull out a Zep comparison.

Just my .02!

VinDieselFiesta

junior, once again you are the man. thanks for sharing the info i really do appreciate it.

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jwb

So did anyone make it out to MJK's wine bottle signing?
Just wondering if he was in his usual "good" mood around a bunch of tool fans.

sinfall

if we didn't live on the east coast, im sure my wife would had been there.

TheDude420

Probably sucks for Maynard when he tries to go out for a wine promotion and he gets swamped with wacked out 'tardoes aggrivating him about Tool and shit like that, or maybe he went out there knowing full well what he was getting into, which he probably already knew that

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sinfall

knowing Tool fans would come out and have to buy a $50 bottle of wine in order to meet him and have him sign it. sounds like a pretty profitable experience.

seriously..a wine bottle signing? I like wine, but I don't seek out the owners autograph..

jwb

Just saw over at AMT.

"...So yeah, Maynard came to the Whole Foods next door to my house to
sign bottles with his business partner. I took one look at the line and
headed home. Rumor has it, and I have no idea if this is true or not,
that he was getting a bit testy with anyone who mentioned Tool or tried
to get him to sign anything besides a bottle."

God bless him...

sinfall

what did he really expect. how many wine makers do bottle signings at grocery stores? on the flip side, you would probably have better luck meeting maynard at a tool concert if you bring one of his bottles to sign

jwb

He had know it would be a clusterfuck of tool fans. Why not just embrace it? Personally, I own a couple bottles and it aint because some guy named Eric Glomski helped make it.

sinfall

my wife wants some, but they don't ship to Maryland.

jwb

Same deal with North Carolina.
I ended up trading an extra Vegas ticket last year for a couple bottles with someone. Still haven't tried it yet, but the guy I traded with said it was pretty strong.

TOOLEYE

just returned from a weekend in the beautiful city of san fran...had lunch at tommy's joint (our preshow hangout) and damn if the memories of december 11th didn't come roarin back to me...i even had the wife walk with me down to the B.G. civic auditorium...what a show it was...what a show it was....may the greatest live band in the world make a quick return with a new cd and another monster tour....see ya there

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MFF0RD6

it looks like maynard will perform at the 5/1 chicago nightwatchman show

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...040808.article

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sonnyboy11

Well.. at least there's always Tommy's Joint! You guys do the sausage and peppers, corn beef and cabbage, or turkey dinner specials by any chance? Oh, and of course they have Boddington's on tap... yum!

Edit- dang just re-read and saw you had 'lunch' there. No matter- whaddya have?

/Love me some Tommy's!

musicmansf

Your tellin me man! I live here! Everytime I'm around civic center I get the memories! i guess listening to the bootleg from the show constantly doesn't help either :)
(or anytime I think of the last girl I dated; SHE TOLD ME ON THAT DAY that she had too much crap going on in her life to be dating, fucked up eh?)
I still haven't heard a fuck up in any of the songs except a snipet in vicarious. I really wish he'd do the damn ending scream...I know, I know it's ironic, but it definetly takes power away from the song to an extent! The again, I can't imagine what that long of a tour does to the vocals...especially with a bunch of a-holes smoking cigs
Actaully, I just realized I'll be strolling by tomorrow as I have to goto a board of supervisors meeting for my reporting class (Oh joy!)

To crack, and more Grudge next time.

sonnyboy11

Hm, well at least you had Tool on the same day she left- I'd take that to soften the blow any day!

We got the closing to Vicarious here at the Nokia show in LA a day before you guys. Not trying to rub it in. In fact, I agree with you. Out of the 12 times I saw this tour, one of the things I usually hoped for during a given show was for him to sing the outro. Getting it the last time I saw them was sweet.

godhenry

to be perfectly honest, that's quite naive of mjk.... and as some previous posters have said, only rock stars autograph bottles of wine they make.

maybe mjk's comment was quoted out of context, but the more i think about it, i more i think mjk's comment is just down right immature and unsophisticated. definitely not something a real wine maker would say. grow up!

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