do you consider this track music or noise/sounds/ambience?

or do you skip it?

i vote sounds, as in a sound collage.

Good song.

i love the vox........ the chorus is amazing.... wow

it's at least as much a song (if not moreso) than john cage's 4'33"

it is a piece of music

I could use a violin to make all sorts of weird noises, or i could just strum randomly at a guitar. Or, in this case, I could record the sound effects of an atari video game and record some vocals at low pitch... and it would be music?

Yes it would.

Radiohead's last few albums are considered music aren't they?

i make music myself and there are times when you can make musical noise but usually it has some context. me and my buddy can make some rhythmic nonsense noise and feedback and have something approaching music result from it.

other times we actually are trying to make a song but musically it just falls apart or whatever and is unlistenable even to me.

so, at times i would call noise or sound collages musical and even music.
other times a full blown song can be nothing but noise and not even close to musical to the listener.

that's it... i have no point.

Every time I see you avatar, I picture that guy getting pounded in the asshole. That's the only time you would ever make a face like that.

ZING!!

That's so funny, I just sprayed my monitor with the OJ I was drinking.

Thanks a lot.

Soundz, u Don't Really Hear Any Lyricz or Anything, So I Dunno, Guess It Couldn't b a Song Juzt Becauze Therez No TRUE Componentz of a Real Song...

"Soundscape"

It depends on my mood. If I'm looking to hear more singing songs, I'll skip and start over again at Vicarious or Jambi. Otherwise I'll let it play through as the "voice" on it is completely freaky and sounds "alien" to me! ;P

Well, to me, it's is part of the album, good to conclude, it's ambience...
When I listen to a tool album "full length" ( don't know how to say it in a better way ) I llsten to it... but it's true that it's not the kind of track i choose to listen when I just wanna ear a few tool songs...

haha

yeah, i can see that..


but for the record, he's going "wow!"

I consider it ambience moreso than music. Pretty much it seems to serve as a come down after the rest of the album.

I think I would have been more appreciative of this track had it been placed before Right in Two. In that case, I wouldn't have felt kind of stiffed at the end of it all.

Personally i was disappointed in this track. Since Undertow, Tool has always included sonic interlude pieces, whether humorous (like Msg from H. M.) or not, but they were much stronger than this piece. Think of Cesaro Summability, Ions, or even Disgustipated: Those each contributed more and "fit" the "whole" better than this (frankly) weak piece. It just does not end the album on a satisfying note, imo. ;-(

yeah

as in "WOW, I'm getting pounded in the ass!"

it's a good example of "Music Concrete" and it's alot easier to listen to that most of that sort of music i've heard before. It's just meant to ease you out of that album, the real finale is Right in Two, Vigniti Tres just lets you clam down.

I'm too ignorant to know what this "music concrete" is, but at the end of an album, i Don't Want to be taken out of the state i've gotten into by some well-meaning attempt to ease me out. I prefer to hit a brick wall, as all i've just heard crashes in behind me in one mass effect; to be left saying "Wow, what a ride!!" not "gee, thanks for the gentle let-down, that was thoughtful of you."

Just preference, i guess.

I just ripped my CD to a Memorex cd-r so i can carry the album back and forth to work without messing up the nice jacket -- and i omitted Lipan Conjuring and Viginti Tres. One could argue that it's not the way the band meant the album to be heard, and maybe they'd be pissed off; but frankly, i'd just prefer to do without those two tracks.

Peace.

hahaha

I find this track a great way to release my brain and ears from this album.
Kind of like the credits for a movie.
I was in 10,000 days for over 70 min... now I'm back here, safe, in my living room.
Viginti Tres allows me to be so.

Or maybe the schrooms are wearing off... :D

In and of itself, it is quite an odd track.
I doubt it will get much play on the radio.

love your avatar, paradigm.

first thing my girlfriend did when i got the cd was to take the goggles(?) and make a completely ridiculous face.

all i know is it creeps me out. i thought faaip de oiad was creepy, because of how it gets louder and louder as if they are tracking him down. i wouldnt doubt it if my heart rate goes up when i listen to that song. but viginti tres is just scary to me, in no way is it a let down from the album for me, its almost like its telling you that you arent out of it yet.

That was pure genious... cage's 4'33"

i think thats the best statement ive heard about this track yet

I don't feel it, but I know it has meaning... Tool wouldn't put 5 minutes of worthless noise in there... Its the only part of the album that hasn't grabbed me yet.

yes.

"But didn't I mention, the ongoing WOW!!"

I love the part where it goes "THE SYSTEMUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

you don't know what you're talking about

Viginti Tres is a part of the album, just like Cesaro Summability or Useful Idiot are to Aenima... It must have a purpose/meaning to be a part of this album...


...or maybe it's just Tool tooling with us.

it freaks me out a bit in the dark

come on... lipan conjuring is hilarous !!! it really is well placed i think

this song confuses me