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Re: Which Version? =)
I like the introduction better on the live version and I can hear a lot of words more clearly, but I think I like the studio version better because I heard that one first. Overall, they really do sound very similar. They're so good live, I sometimes forget which CD I've got in.
I would go out on a limb and say that tehy didn't overdub at all on the live version. If they did it would sound awkward because of the different room accoostics, microphone, speaker cabinet and EQ. I'm not saying it's easy to tell the difference between one and another blind, but singing on a stage of an auditorium full of people sounds very different from singing in a studio, (the stage echoes) and any change from live stage to studio overdub would, in the context of it being in the middle of the song, stick out like a soar thumb. If anything, they woudl have dubbed in keyboard parts, although dubbing guitar and bass is also possible (The guitar inputs get captured right off the soundboard, so they're "sterile" of venue accoostics so they'd be much easier to overdub. Drums have the same problem vocals do, just to a lesesr degree. I think it's pretty darn unlikely that they dubbed anything at all, though.) ...Actually, if I knew that there was one part of hte song that was dubbed and i had to guess which one (which I don't) I would guess it would be the bass drum hits after "Why are you runnin'?" They sound a little odd.
Which version of Third Eye do you like more - the studio or Salival one? Does the live version remind you of hearing it at a show, and the euphoria you undoubtedly felt? =)
If I had to choose, I'd definitely pick the studio version. I'm of the opinion that when a song is put on an album and released, something special happens to it - regardless of how many variations there were before it was recorded and regardless of how many variations there are after, the EXACT version that's on the album is special - it's THE master.
i enjoy very much the think for yourself speech, heard it many times on more than just this track, but the vocals kill it on me for salival. at 4:10 on the salival recording, and 3:51 on aenima is my favorite part of the song, when maynards vocals get sliced up, and when that just didnt ever happen on salival i cant say that it is as good as the studio recording
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I like both versions for different reasons.
The song Third Eye is a journey (like many other Tool songs).
Both versions are different paths on the same journey.
I think the Salival version has more energy behind it. It's a lot more raw, and that's why I would have to pick it over the studio version. I do however like the Bill Hicks intro more.
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they're fairly similar musically but there are a few nuances that are different...obviously the samples...I prefer the Timothy Leary one...I don't like in the live one when they kick back into the "SO GOOD TO SEE YOU" they added the little riff before it, I like it much better in the original when it just kicks back in...also I much prefer the studio version of the whole "shrouding all the ground..." part...it's MUCH more subtle and peaceful and intense
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I actually prefer a version that you can find on a bootleg from Kalamazoo, MI, 1998. I t doesn't have the live Tabla from aloke, but I think the Salival versions guitar is a bit too loud....this version is way better balanced. . . anyone heard it?
I like the introduction better on the live version and I can hear a lot of words more clearly, but I think I like the studio version better because I heard that one first. Overall, they really do sound very similar. They're so good live, I sometimes forget which CD I've got in.
He, exactly why tool is so good. they rock live. most bands nowadays suck balls live. but not tool the dominate.
and i like both versions...for some of the already mentioned reasons.
BUMP :: Not that a "which is better" thread really needed it but ya know. Even after now having truly listened to the Salival version with the earbuds n lights off/eyes closed treatment, I am still...simply unable to arrive at the conclusion that it is better than the studio take of what's probably my favorite song of my favorite band. I imagine many tool songs take on a certain additional quality live that can't help but at least somewhat transcend the studio takes but...
IDK i guess I just feel that Third Eye, even decidedly more than other songs, is fully realized when it includes the studio as an instrument. Even the 'Nard just can't quite bring home that chopped "hey eh eh eh eyyyy" part between the second verse n Adam's double-tracked sonic painting session. speaking of the double-tracked part, that's the other main thing the live version lacks. These are the two examples that stick out in my head as I'm typing this but there are many more instances throughout the song that, when I get to them in the Salival version ,can't help but at that moment wish I was listening to the studio cut.
All that said, Salival track 01 is a hell of take on a hell of a song and I do enjoy listening to it for a change of pace sometimes. Especially, the intro (something that seems to be touted as the main difference for most people, idk I like both just fine) just has this amazing anticipation/tension to it that may slightly surpass the AEnima version. (by intro I mean the whole works right up til "drea, -ming of, that face again, not just the very beginning samples)
I'm of the opinion that when a song is put on an album and released, something special happens to it - regardless of how many variations there were before it was recorded and regardless of how many variations there are after, the EXACT version that's on the album is special - it's THE master.
So you say that the original 72826 Sober is better then the Undertow one?
I read this and found out that Third Eye really DOES have a studio-recorded version...goddamn iPod doesn't have it >.< (I go home and rip my CDs asap, and then listen to them. I know it's backwards.) Glad to have my CDs with me, then I will update on my favorite :D
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The live version is the best in my opinion. I love Maynard's voice in that song. I really don't listen to the studio version much. I could listen to him sing, "So good to see you, I missed you so much" live everyday. Such a great song. As corny as it sounds, I feel a connection to that song when I hear it live. I can just relate to it on a deeper level that I never felt on the studio version. Seeing it live this year was unbelievable. So good there are no words to explain.
I prefer the live 2010 extended version. I enjoyed the megaphone usage for "child's rhyme stuck in my head," and "shrouding all the ground around me."
Awesome thread, great points from each perspective. I prefer live, because well, that's the only time they sound cleaner than their recordings =)
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I have to go with the Salival version. The emotion is there and it sounds so good. I always prefer a good, clean live version of a song. Anything can be done in the studio, when the song is done live, there is one shot, one take. I wish Tool would release more live stuff, a DVD would be so fuckin sweet, but some officially released live concert recordings from the master recordings of them would really be nice. I know people would buy them. But I have to give them credit, they dont have to do it, unlike some bands that do it to just to make some money, they will do it when the time is right.
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I like the sound clarity that comes with a studio version, but the Salival version is about as good a performance as you can get. Both do it for me, but I naturally prefer a studio recording.
ya'll need to download some bootlegs. there are some truly incredible shows recorded by amateurs floating around out there - the 2010 tour version of Third Eye is fucking ridiculously awesome, much better than the Salival version
Thanks to this thread, I put on my pirate hat and found quite a few versions of Third Eye I haven't heard before, because I'm suggestible like that.
The 2010 extended version was awesome, but my favorite part of the song has always been the Danny's drumming, of which you can hear in crystal clarity on the Salival version. Plus, the first time I heard it; it blew me away.