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05-04-2006, 08:50 PM
Does anyone else notice all the white noise on this record? I'm listening to it with good headphones through a 96khz audio interface... I couldn't hear this stuff through the stereo, but there seems to be this rediculous, unnesessary amount of white noise throughout the album. And there are also a lot of little clicks and distortions that seem to be coming from the drums.
A few examples
Right in Two: about 13 seconds in, white noise just fades in and out
Jambi: 6:37 What the fuck is that? This is coming right from the cd and it sounds like an mp3.
Rosetta Stoned: about 6:54.... not so much white noise but weird glitchy/clicky distortions. You can hear it well during the drum roll right after that.
When Vicarious kicks in you can hear clicky distortions that seem to be coming from the drums.... but then it goes away as soon as the words start.
Anyone else hear this? And don't just be like "DUZ RETARD I HAVENT NOTICEDED OMG loL!!!" Get some good headphones and you'll be able to hear it.
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Production problems/distortion/white noise
Does anyone else notice all the white noise on this record? I'm listening to it with good headphones through a 96khz audio interface... I couldn't hear this stuff through the stereo, but there seems to be this rediculous, unnesessary amount of white noise throughout the album. And there are also a lot of little clicks and distortions that seem to be coming from the drums.
A few examples
Right in Two: about 13 seconds in, white noise just fades in and out
Jambi: 6:37 What the fuck is that? This is coming right from the cd and it sounds like an mp3.
Rosetta Stoned: about 6:54.... not so much white noise but weird glitchy/clicky distortions. You can hear it well during the drum roll right after that.
When Vicarious kicks in you can hear clicky distortions that seem to be coming from the drums.... but then it goes away as soon as the words start.
Anyone else hear this? And don't just be like "DUZ RETARD I HAVENT NOTICEDED OMG loL!!!" Get some good headphones and you'll be able to hear it.
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05-04-2006, 08:53 PM
The distortion on the bass/drums seems a little out of place here and there too.
Whatever. Maybe they did it on purpose. Or something.
Edit: Yeah you said that. Maybe I should have read your post.
heh.
I noticed it too, anyway. Dunno...
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
The distortion on the bass/drums seems a little out of place here and there too.
Whatever. Maybe they did it on purpose. Or something.
Edit: Yeah you said that. Maybe I should have read your post.
heh.
I noticed it too, anyway. Dunno...
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05-04-2006, 09:03 PM
Actually there are quite a few weird noises in Jambi.
I posted about it:
http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=44827
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I know exactly what your talking about. I hear it too.
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I know exactly what your talking about. I hear it too.
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I can hear it, but only if I'm trying to listen for it (and I'm listening to Sennheiser HD650's through a X-Canv3, so it's not for lack of decent equipment). My guess is that it's so clear to you because you're upsampling the audio stream to 96khz instead of listening at the regular 44.1khz. Did you try listening at 44.1khz to see if it was as obvious?
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
I can hear it, but only if I'm trying to listen for it (and I'm listening to Sennheiser HD650's through a X-Canv3, so it's not for lack of decent equipment). My guess is that it's so clear to you because you're upsampling the audio stream to 96khz instead of listening at the regular 44.1khz. Did you try listening at 44.1khz to see if it was as obvious?
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05-04-2006, 10:18 PM
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I think those are distorted vocal sounds. But what is up with Wings II? Is anyone getting the volume fading in and out?
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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I think those are distorted vocal sounds. But what is up with Wings II? Is anyone getting the volume fading in and out?
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I think those are distorted vocal sounds. But what is up with Wings II? Is anyone getting the volume fading in and out?
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If you listen to the song on a good system with a decent sub, you will understand what that whole fading in and out deal is all about.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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I think those are distorted vocal sounds. But what is up with Wings II? Is anyone getting the volume fading in and out?
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If you listen to the song on a good system with a decent sub, you will understand what that whole fading in and out deal is all about.
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05-04-2006, 11:05 PM
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I can hear it, but only if I'm trying to listen for it (and I'm listening to Sennheiser HD650's through a X-Canv3, so it's not for lack of decent equipment). My guess is that it's so clear to you because you're upsampling the audio stream to 96khz instead of listening at the regular 44.1khz. Did you try listening at 44.1khz to see if it was as obvious?
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Yes. Sounds exactly the same. I thought thats what it was at first.
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I can hear it, but only if I'm trying to listen for it (and I'm listening to Sennheiser HD650's through a X-Canv3, so it's not for lack of decent equipment). My guess is that it's so clear to you because you're upsampling the audio stream to 96khz instead of listening at the regular 44.1khz. Did you try listening at 44.1khz to see if it was as obvious?
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Yes. Sounds exactly the same. I thought thats what it was at first.
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i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
in boosting the signal, the noise is boosted too. in boosting the signal, the clipping point is breached in certain places.
but thats how they got the sound for this album, and the sound is amazing [even if you dont love songs] go joe baressi!
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
in boosting the signal, the noise is boosted too. in boosting the signal, the clipping point is breached in certain places.
but thats how they got the sound for this album, and the sound is amazing [even if you dont love songs] go joe baressi!
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i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
Sorry, that's a load of arse. You can get pristine, clean recordings off a pizzicato violin - even in a live context. There's no need for floor noise off of fucking guitar and bass cabinets, drums and an incredibly powerful vocalist.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
Sorry, that's a load of arse. You can get pristine, clean recordings off a pizzicato violin - even in a live context. There's no need for floor noise off of fucking guitar and bass cabinets, drums and an incredibly powerful vocalist.
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
Sorry, that's a load of arse. You can get pristine, clean recordings off a pizzicato violin - even in a live context. There's no need for floor noise off of fucking guitar and bass cabinets, drums and an incredibly powerful vocalist.
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Not to speak for the person you quoted but I think he/she was getting at that Joe set the sound up like that on purpose for the record, to get the noise.
I'm going to listen to some other stuff that he's mixed / recorded to see if thats what he normally does or whatnot. I did notice a few phantom noises on the last QOTSA album, so it could be him.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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You mean, they don't know how to do a proper job of choosing microphones and gain structures to avoid getting noise?
Sorry, that's a load of arse. You can get pristine, clean recordings off a pizzicato violin - even in a live context. There's no need for floor noise off of fucking guitar and bass cabinets, drums and an incredibly powerful vocalist.
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Not to speak for the person you quoted but I think he/she was getting at that Joe set the sound up like that on purpose for the record, to get the noise.
I'm going to listen to some other stuff that he's mixed / recorded to see if thats what he normally does or whatnot. I did notice a few phantom noises on the last QOTSA album, so it could be him.
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05-05-2006, 04:44 AM
It could be down to faulty equipment, whenever I mix my music I always seem to notice minor interferences in the audio when I play it back on a high quality sound system, this is because I mix all of my stuff on my semi-decent PC rather than in a good studio.
If they mixed it in a studio where the equipment is either a) old or b) crap then that might be the cause of the white noise. They might not have noticed the interferences while they were working on it. Personally I don't think that this was intentional, it doesn't sound like they used it in a creative way, just sounds accidental to me.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
It could be down to faulty equipment, whenever I mix my music I always seem to notice minor interferences in the audio when I play it back on a high quality sound system, this is because I mix all of my stuff on my semi-decent PC rather than in a good studio.
If they mixed it in a studio where the equipment is either a) old or b) crap then that might be the cause of the white noise. They might not have noticed the interferences while they were working on it. Personally I don't think that this was intentional, it doesn't sound like they used it in a creative way, just sounds accidental to me.
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05-05-2006, 04:46 AM
I haven't noticed it yet, i'll have a good listen later.
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I haven't noticed it yet, i'll have a good listen later.
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05-05-2006, 08:49 AM
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It could be down to faulty equipment, whenever I mix my music I always seem to notice minor interferences in the audio when I play it back on a high quality sound system, this is because I mix all of my stuff on my semi-decent PC rather than in a good studio.
If they mixed it in a studio where the equipment is either a) old or b) crap then that might be the cause of the white noise. They might not have noticed the interferences while they were working on it. Personally I don't think that this was intentional, it doesn't sound like they used it in a creative way, just sounds accidental to me.
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Are they not using the same studio as they did on the previous albums? I mean... it's not like they can't afford decent equipment. Fuck, _MY_ recordings sound better than this.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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It could be down to faulty equipment, whenever I mix my music I always seem to notice minor interferences in the audio when I play it back on a high quality sound system, this is because I mix all of my stuff on my semi-decent PC rather than in a good studio.
If they mixed it in a studio where the equipment is either a) old or b) crap then that might be the cause of the white noise. They might not have noticed the interferences while they were working on it. Personally I don't think that this was intentional, it doesn't sound like they used it in a creative way, just sounds accidental to me.
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Are they not using the same studio as they did on the previous albums? I mean... it's not like they can't afford decent equipment. Fuck, _MY_ recordings sound better than this.
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05-05-2006, 08:52 AM
who cares?
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They should try my set. They seem to be less querulous.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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They should try my set. They seem to be less querulous.
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05-05-2006, 10:08 AM
i'll listen for this next time
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
i'll listen for this next time
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OMG TOOL ARE FUCKING ALIENS!!!
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Ever see the movie Contact when they first listen to the signal and figure there is a video stream imbedded as well?
OMG TOOL ARE FUCKING ALIENS!!!
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I tried
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i'll listen for this next time
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05-05-2006, 10:23 AM
i noticed a lot of static like distortion through 10,000 days, i thought it was my sound system but i tried a different one and heard it. i dont like it
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
i noticed a lot of static like distortion through 10,000 days, i thought it was my sound system but i tried a different one and heard it. i dont like it
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05-05-2006, 12:54 PM
Yeah, I'm sure they didn't notice. Just like they didn't notice how the new logo looks like "FOOL"
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Yeah, I'm sure they didn't notice. Just like they didn't notice how the new logo looks like "FOOL"
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05-05-2006, 01:37 PM
original.
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original.
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i noticed a lot of static like distortion through 10,000 days, i thought it was my sound system but i tried a different one and heard it. i dont like it
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I hear the static in my car, especially in Vicarious. I don't recall hearing it at home but I'll try it again. I wonder if it has to do with the HDCD encoding? I don't have an HDCD player so maybe the 16-bits that I get aren't quite enough.
Has anyone heard the CD through an HDCD player?
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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i noticed a lot of static like distortion through 10,000 days, i thought it was my sound system but i tried a different one and heard it. i dont like it
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I hear the static in my car, especially in Vicarious. I don't recall hearing it at home but I'll try it again. I wonder if it has to do with the HDCD encoding? I don't have an HDCD player so maybe the 16-bits that I get aren't quite enough.
Has anyone heard the CD through an HDCD player?
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Not to speak for the person you quoted but I think he/she was getting at that Joe set the sound up like that on purpose for the record, to get the noise.
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No. Anybody in the pro-audio field who deliberately set up wrong gain structures to bring up floor noise on a high-budget album like this one would never work again.
Seriously. The reason you pay for expensive microphones, cables, $100,000 custom-built ultra-shielded PCs with gold conductors everywhere and big-money recording, mix and master engineers is to avoid exactly that issue. If you don't care about floor noise you can nip down to the best sounding room you can find in your area with a $1000 PC and an M-Audio Delta 1010LT and run a few decent microphones through a half-decent pre-amp.
If this was done on purpose then Tool are basically the victim of fraud in the cost of the studio they used.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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Not to speak for the person you quoted but I think he/she was getting at that Joe set the sound up like that on purpose for the record, to get the noise.
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No. Anybody in the pro-audio field who deliberately set up wrong gain structures to bring up floor noise on a high-budget album like this one would never work again.
Seriously. The reason you pay for expensive microphones, cables, $100,000 custom-built ultra-shielded PCs with gold conductors everywhere and big-money recording, mix and master engineers is to avoid exactly that issue. If you don't care about floor noise you can nip down to the best sounding room you can find in your area with a $1000 PC and an M-Audio Delta 1010LT and run a few decent microphones through a half-decent pre-amp.
If this was done on purpose then Tool are basically the victim of fraud in the cost of the studio they used.
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05-05-2006, 03:18 PM
You really think they didn't notice?
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05-05-2006, 03:23 PM
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but there is the theory out there that they recorded this album in 5.1 as well. Maybe they mixed it down for the release and there were a few resulting sounds....
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but there is the theory out there that they recorded this album in 5.1 as well. Maybe they mixed it down for the release and there were a few resulting sounds....
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but there is the theory out there that they recorded this album in 5.1 as well. Maybe they mixed it down for the release and there were a few resulting sounds....
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Well I'm glad they sacrificed the sound quality for the .001% of people that have a proper 5.1 setup.
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I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but there is the theory out there that they recorded this album in 5.1 as well. Maybe they mixed it down for the release and there were a few resulting sounds....
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Well I'm glad they sacrificed the sound quality for the .001% of people that have a proper 5.1 setup.
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05-05-2006, 03:32 PM
not saying they did...but ya never know....anyway..it would be worth buying for this...have you heard "With Teeth" in 5.1?
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not saying they did...but ya never know....anyway..it would be worth buying for this...have you heard "With Teeth" in 5.1?
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not saying they did...but ya never know....anyway..it would be worth buying for this...have you heard "With Teeth" in 5.1?
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NO! I'm really excited about that though, Downward Spiral was released in 5.1 as well, but I don't know anyone with a 5.1 setup.
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not saying they did...but ya never know....anyway..it would be worth buying for this...have you heard "With Teeth" in 5.1?
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NO! I'm really excited about that though, Downward Spiral was released in 5.1 as well, but I don't know anyone with a 5.1 setup.
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Shit I just made a thread about this. My bad.
yea it's all over the place. I think it's the guitar that caused it. it's absolutely ridiculous though. it's all over the place and I can't listen to the album through headphones because of it.
AWESOME JOB GUYS =)
btw, there's no way this is purposefully. the whole end of vicarious sounds like trash. I'm listening (headphones) with sennheiser 280 pros. Awful.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Shit I just made a thread about this. My bad.
yea it's all over the place. I think it's the guitar that caused it. it's absolutely ridiculous though. it's all over the place and I can't listen to the album through headphones because of it.
AWESOME JOB GUYS =)
btw, there's no way this is purposefully. the whole end of vicarious sounds like trash. I'm listening (headphones) with sennheiser 280 pros. Awful.
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05-05-2006, 04:39 PM
Heh, this thread is one post away from "OMFG IF U DONT LIK TEH ALBUM JUST SHUT UP ABOU TIT OMG!!!!"
Seriously though. Why does this record sound so shitty? We're not talking about opinions of the songwriting here, we're talking about crap production. Clipping, gratuitous white noise, shit fading in and out for no reason...
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Heh, this thread is one post away from "OMFG IF U DONT LIK TEH ALBUM JUST SHUT UP ABOU TIT OMG!!!!"
Seriously though. Why does this record sound so shitty? We're not talking about opinions of the songwriting here, we're talking about crap production. Clipping, gratuitous white noise, shit fading in and out for no reason...
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05-05-2006, 09:15 PM
Interesting. I can't really hear what you are talking about, but I'll listen later on my headphones. There are some things that I don't like about the album concerning the mixing (I guess that's the proper word?) and distortion. For example, 6:56 into "Jambi", what the hell is that clutter of noise I hear? It's like a really bad distortion.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Interesting. I can't really hear what you are talking about, but I'll listen later on my headphones. There are some things that I don't like about the album concerning the mixing (I guess that's the proper word?) and distortion. For example, 6:56 into "Jambi", what the hell is that clutter of noise I hear? It's like a really bad distortion.
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05-05-2006, 09:43 PM
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At 6:57 the GONG! Maybe you blown your speakers?
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While there may be a gong in there, that's not what I'm talking about. It just sounds like a complete clutter of sound. I hear it on my computer, I heard it in my friend's car and I think I hear it in my headphones (I'll check later to make sure). I don't know what it is. It just bothers me.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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Originally Posted by McRoggles
At 6:57 the GONG! Maybe you blown your speakers?
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While there may be a gong in there, that's not what I'm talking about. It just sounds like a complete clutter of sound. I hear it on my computer, I heard it in my friend's car and I think I hear it in my headphones (I'll check later to make sure). I don't know what it is. It just bothers me.
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05-05-2006, 10:03 PM
Jambi at 6:57... static... slop.... quiet drums. I've noticed at a lot of the parts of this album that are supposed to be the 'climax' have the drums turned way the fuck down. Hmmm. The Pot at 5:59 sounds like they _tried_ to make it sound weak.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Jambi at 6:57... static... slop.... quiet drums. I've noticed at a lot of the parts of this album that are supposed to be the 'climax' have the drums turned way the fuck down. Hmmm. The Pot at 5:59 sounds like they _tried_ to make it sound weak.
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That same weird sound is in the live version too....I don't know what the hell that is.
Have any of you ever listened to Joe Baressi's other efforts?
The Melvins, QOTSA, and Kyuss have noise and weird sounding shit all over their albums. Same exact shit we're complaining about right now, but I honestly don't think even the most hardcore fan of any of those bands would care about that shit at all.
I will admit though, a few Melvins albums done by Joe have been mixed way way better than this album. Louder, clearer, and cleaner.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
That same weird sound is in the live version too....I don't know what the hell that is.
Have any of you ever listened to Joe Baressi's other efforts?
The Melvins, QOTSA, and Kyuss have noise and weird sounding shit all over their albums. Same exact shit we're complaining about right now, but I honestly don't think even the most hardcore fan of any of those bands would care about that shit at all.
I will admit though, a few Melvins albums done by Joe have been mixed way way better than this album. Louder, clearer, and cleaner.
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Also, the Melvins have spent 95% of their career working with much lower recording budgets than Tool have available to them these days.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
Also, the Melvins have spent 95% of their career working with much lower recording budgets than Tool have available to them these days.
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i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
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Yeah? Go listen to The Patient again. Really really quiet intro, and then in second minute it explodes so fucking loud and hard it just fucks with your head. And no "white noise". Baressi sucks.
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
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i believe the "white noise" and the random distortion are caused by what makes this album so kicknuts. on the most parts, they are playing really really really quietly, and just boosting the gain epicly.
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Yeah? Go listen to The Patient again. Really really quiet intro, and then in second minute it explodes so fucking loud and hard it just fucks with your head. And no "white noise". Baressi sucks.
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05-06-2006, 03:49 AM
OK people, I had a similar issue - probably the same one - and here's how I solved it.
I turned the overall gain down in Winamp's Equaliser. It was at 0dB, now it's at -2dB, and no more clipping sounds!
Give it a go...
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Re: White noise. Distortion.
OK people, I had a similar issue - probably the same one - and here's how I solved it.
I turned the overall gain down in Winamp's Equaliser. It was at 0dB, now it's at -2dB, and no more clipping sounds!
Give it a go...
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