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I rooted for the monkeys. And the poppy field. And the witch.
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I rooted for the monkeys. And the poppy field. And the witch.
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02-13-2009, 11:28 AM
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speak for yourself, nonsmokey.
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02-13-2009, 11:28 AM
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speak for yourself, nonsmokey.
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led zeppelin's about broken hearts and joy.
tool is about anal fisting, rape, anger and death.
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Just a rhetorical question but if Tool and Led Zepplin are so different why did they choose, as one of the few songs they have ever covered by another band, to cover a Led Zepplin song? Maybe they have a respect for LZ that you don't, huh.
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03-03-2009, 11:54 AM
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Re: pink floyd
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led zeppelin's about broken hearts and joy.
tool is about anal fisting, rape, anger and death.
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Just a rhetorical question but if Tool and Led Zepplin are so different why did they choose, as one of the few songs they have ever covered by another band, to cover a Led Zepplin song? Maybe they have a respect for LZ that you don't, huh. |
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led zeppelin's about broken hearts and joy.
tool is about anal fisting, rape, anger and death.
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epic fail on your part if you call yourself a zeppelin fan.
jimmy page fucking owns boleskine house, or used to anyway i'm not up to date on the status of ownership. its not all about heartbreaks man.
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03-03-2009, 01:43 PM
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led zeppelin's about broken hearts and joy.
tool is about anal fisting, rape, anger and death.
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epic fail on your part if you call yourself a zeppelin fan.
jimmy page fucking owns boleskine house, or used to anyway i'm not up to date on the status of ownership. its not all about heartbreaks man. |
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how much longer will there be ruckus over adam jone's creativity?
Yes, every Tool song is the same 5 to 8 notes in a slightly different pattern.
No, Adam is not entertaining in the least unless in his comfort zone.
But the fact is Adam has become more successful with his band in which he plays lead guitar in, just by using the "less is more" method. If you're only going to be good at one thing in your life, then be as best as you can fucking be at that one thing. That's what impresses me about him, it's amazing that he's considered one of the best metal guitarist today and he never shreds a lick. I respect that more than just playing alot of notes, I don't read a book because it has more pages. It's the quality of adams playing not the quantity. But that's just my opinion of him, I know there are those of you who oppose this completely, but that just means you're fucktarded hahaahaaaaaa
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how much longer will there be ruckus over adam jone's creativity?
Yes, every Tool song is the same 5 to 8 notes in a slightly different pattern.
No, Adam is not entertaining in the least unless in his comfort zone.
But the fact is Adam has become more successful with his band in which he plays lead guitar in, just by using the "less is more" method. If you're only going to be good at one thing in your life, then be as best as you can fucking be at that one thing. That's what impresses me about him, it's amazing that he's considered one of the best metal guitarist today and he never shreds a lick. I respect that more than just playing alot of notes, I don't read a book because it has more pages. It's the quality of adams playing not the quantity. But that's just my opinion of him, I know there are those of you who oppose this completely, but that just means you're fucktarded hahaahaaaaaa
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Nobody outside of Tool fanboys think this, btw.
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Why would I expect a non tool fan to be a fan of adam jones? Think before you type son!
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03-13-2009, 12:38 PM
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Nobody outside of Tool fanboys think this, btw.
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Why would I expect a non tool fan to be a fan of adam jones? Think before you type son! |
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I don't particularly like Audioslave but I dig Morello. I don't particularly like Opeth but I think Akerfeldt's pretty dope. I don't particularly like jazz fusion but Al di Meola is someone I like.
If a guitarist's fanbase is the only group that is hailing him as the best guitarist of all time, then they are not the best guitarist of all time by a long shot. Truly good musicians are respected for their talent regardless of whether their music particularly appeals to those respecting.
Think before you type, bitch.
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You're just beating around the bush with distracting hypothetical situations in which Adam Jones fits nowhere. Adam's fanbase didn't make him number 20something in the top 100 metal guitarist of all time, Guitar World did. Yeah I know it's just a stupid magazine, but I doubt everyone who judged Adam for the list was a Tool fanboy you creamy cunt flake. You just hold no argument anymore, next subject please, this has been going on for years.
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03-13-2009, 01:14 PM
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I don't particularly like Audioslave but I dig Morello. I don't particularly like Opeth but I think Akerfeldt's pretty dope. I don't particularly like jazz fusion but Al di Meola is someone I like.
If a guitarist's fanbase is the only group that is hailing him as the best guitarist of all time, then they are not the best guitarist of all time by a long shot. Truly good musicians are respected for their talent regardless of whether their music particularly appeals to those respecting.
Think before you type, bitch.
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You're just beating around the bush with distracting hypothetical situations in which Adam Jones fits nowhere. Adam's fanbase didn't make him number 20something in the top 100 metal guitarist of all time, Guitar World did. Yeah I know it's just a stupid magazine, but I doubt everyone who judged Adam for the list was a Tool fanboy you creamy cunt flake. You just hold no argument anymore, next subject please, this has been going on for years. |
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You're right, no one outside of the Tool fan base should be expected to like adams guitar playing because that's just how Tool is.Their fans are super fans, and the non fans are super non fans., but somehow, miraculously, he managed to make it at 29 out of the top 100 metal guitarists that I know every judge couldn't of been a tool fanboy. I could be wrong, but all I'm saying is that his "lot that's just enough in life" is a lot bigger and more of an influence on rock than you, me, and most musicians alive today.
Why you downplay him all the time, I really don't know Rivek.
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03-13-2009, 04:32 PM
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You're right, no one outside of the Tool fan base should be expected to like adams guitar playing because that's just how Tool is.Their fans are super fans, and the non fans are super non fans., but somehow, miraculously, he managed to make it at 29 out of the top 100 metal guitarists that I know every judge couldn't of been a tool fanboy. I could be wrong, but all I'm saying is that his "lot that's just enough in life" is a lot bigger and more of an influence on rock than you, me, and most musicians alive today.
Why you downplay him all the time, I really don't know Rivek.
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protip, dumbass: top 10/20/50/100 lists in specialty magazines are not determined by judges. They're determined by who pays off the editors the best.
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Soooo let ME get this straight, you're saying someone payed off Guitar World, ahem, to get Adam Jones in the 29th , I repeat the 29th, spot on a top 100 list? And what, good sir, benefits do you think Adam would receive by paying someone to be 29th in something? Obviously no one has ever heard of Adam Jones that's why he needs to pay guitar magazines to get noticed.
Get a fucking clue man, what delusional fucked up world do you live in under that red headed nest you call hair? Hahahahaha
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03-14-2009, 02:10 PM
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protip, dumbass: top 10/20/50/100 lists in specialty magazines are not determined by judges. They're determined by who pays off the editors the best.
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Soooo let ME get this straight, you're saying someone payed off Guitar World, ahem, to get Adam Jones in the 29th , I repeat the 29th, spot on a top 100 list? And what, good sir, benefits do you think Adam would receive by paying someone to be 29th in something? Obviously no one has ever heard of Adam Jones that's why he needs to pay guitar magazines to get noticed.
Get a fucking clue man, what delusional fucked up world do you live in under that red headed nest you call hair? Hahahahaha |
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The one in which my cousin works for Guitar World and I get free issues.
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Let's review:
Your cousin works for Guitar World. He's probably the janitor but let's be hypothetical and say he/she is an editor.
You're telling me that your cousin told you that Tool, or someone that works for Tool, or the other way around, payed him or some other editors off to put Adam Jones in the 29'th spot?
Is this what you're telling me? Because you haven't just came out and said it, all you've done is make some vague reference to your cousin working there and that logic somehow leads to Adam cheating...I thought you had amazing wit and intelligence for awhile but this just blows me away.
Let me break it down for you and anyone else who jumped in late here, no one payed Guitar World off to put Adam Jones on the fucking 29th spot. And if they did, so what? He's still one of the most influential metal guitarists out today whether Guitar world thinks so or not. What do you have to argue against that? C'mon spew some more bullshit about how your cousin went on a date with Adam's neighbors sister's friend and they talked for hours about all of Tools secrets. Put the shovel down man, seriously
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03-15-2009, 08:33 AM
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Re: pink floyd
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The one in which my cousin works for Guitar World and I get free issues.
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Let's review:
Your cousin works for Guitar World. He's probably the janitor but let's be hypothetical and say he/she is an editor.
You're telling me that your cousin told you that Tool, or someone that works for Tool, or the other way around, payed him or some other editors off to put Adam Jones in the 29'th spot?
Is this what you're telling me? Because you haven't just came out and said it, all you've done is make some vague reference to your cousin working there and that logic somehow leads to Adam cheating...I thought you had amazing wit and intelligence for awhile but this just blows me away.
Let me break it down for you and anyone else who jumped in late here, no one payed Guitar World off to put Adam Jones on the fucking 29th spot. And if they did, so what? He's still one of the most influential metal guitarists out today whether Guitar world thinks so or not. What do you have to argue against that? C'mon spew some more bullshit about how your cousin went on a date with Adam's neighbors sister's friend and they talked for hours about all of Tools secrets. Put the shovel down man, seriously |
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If Tool needed to be advertised, which they don't, they would probably put their money towards more efficient vehicles for advertising, such as TV commercials, radio commercials, magazine ads, billboards - of which you see or hear of NONE. So why would Tool pay Guitar World to advertise their guitarist in a top one hundred genre list? Like Adam wouldn't be included in the list anyway just because he's that influential for his genre.
I know bands pay magazines for advertising ass, I just don't see the logic in this particular situation with this particular band.
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If Tool needed to be advertised, which they don't, they would probably put their money towards more efficient vehicles for advertising, such as TV commercials, radio commercials, magazine ads, billboards - of which you see or hear of NONE. So why would Tool pay Guitar World to advertise their guitarist in a top one hundred genre list? Like Adam wouldn't be included in the list anyway just because he's that influential for his genre.
I know bands pay magazines for advertising ass, I just don't see the logic in this particular situation with this particular band.
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03-16-2009, 04:57 AM
All this non-Pink Floyd rambling got me thinking I should upload some Jimi Hendrix onto my IPOD>? So I did. Even Loose Ends.
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All this non-Pink Floyd rambling got me thinking I should upload some Jimi Hendrix onto my IPOD>? So I did. Even Loose Ends.
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Buying into a magazine covertly doesn't break their "we don't whore ourselves" status.
Which is bullshit, because between Puscifer and wine, maynard is a complete fucking whore.
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So now if you make wine, you're a whore. And I'm sure you've never wanted to achieve anything yourself, what with your so called comedy sketches and scripts and what not, what makes you any less of a whore? You're just ridiculous now, Puscifer isn't an advertising scheme, it's Maynards solo project, everyone has them eventually. Granted he is selling cheap shit at a ridiculous price, but hey, the guys gotta keep makin a living and just because you have a platinum record or 5 doesn't necessarily mean you're anything close to rich. Trust me, I studied the recording industry for 2 years at MTSU one of the nations top recording schools and I know that making gold records just breaks you even at what you paid to make the record in the first place.
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Buying into a magazine covertly doesn't break their "we don't whore ourselves" status.
Which is bullshit, because between Puscifer and wine, maynard is a complete fucking whore.
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So now if you make wine, you're a whore. And I'm sure you've never wanted to achieve anything yourself, what with your so called comedy sketches and scripts and what not, what makes you any less of a whore? You're just ridiculous now, Puscifer isn't an advertising scheme, it's Maynards solo project, everyone has them eventually. Granted he is selling cheap shit at a ridiculous price, but hey, the guys gotta keep makin a living and just because you have a platinum record or 5 doesn't necessarily mean you're anything close to rich. Trust me, I studied the recording industry for 2 years at MTSU one of the nations top recording schools and I know that making gold records just breaks you even at what you paid to make the record in the first place. |
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They definitely make the most doing live shows, everyone knows that, I just think you like to undermine Tool and anything else people associate with awesomeness, to make yourself seem ahead of the game somehow, or more mature/cooler than everyone else because you see how people react to it. Gifted, I must say, maybe that ability does make you cooler than everyone else, congratulations you've won free brain surgery!
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They definitely make the most doing live shows, everyone knows that, I just think you like to undermine Tool and anything else people associate with awesomeness, to make yourself seem ahead of the game somehow, or more mature/cooler than everyone else because you see how people react to it. Gifted, I must say, maybe that ability does make you cooler than everyone else, congratulations you've won free brain surgery!
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If "everyone knows that" then why did you try to point out the equally obvious fact that record sales =/= money so that you could chalk up Maynard's product-whoring to "needing to make money because he's not rich"?
You were wrong, as you have been many times, and once again you backpedal and reverse yourself slightly.
That is an interesting theory. Now let me tell you how it works in reality.
I am a Tool fan, obviously, or I wouldn't be here. However, I don't believe they or any other band warrant the kind of worship that some people give everything they touch, and I don't believe that they are any more influential or "ahead of the curve" than any other prog metal band (porcupine tree, dream theater, etc) and thus do not warrant special merit either.
In addition I feel that Adam Jones, while perfect in the context of Tool's music, is no great shakes outside of it, and the majority that I have spoken with harbor similar feelings on the subject. Also, having met MJK after a Tool show and after an APC show, and having spoken with many others who have been lucky enough to as well, and comparing notes, I can conclude that Maynard really doesn't like his fans, given his derision towards even the ones that say nothing but "hey man, great show, love your music", to say nothing of those that go on long ramblings about what occult things they're into, or what the gong Danny has means, or Blair's latest news post (true story).
I do like their music and it has enriched my life in the same manner that other music that I like enough to dissect has enriched my life. Ask yourself, would I be pointing out the fact that Adam sticks to bar chords, pick scrapes, and odd feedback if I hadn't taken a look and analyzed his bag of tricks? Would I be giving Justin props for being one of the best bassists alive, in my opinion, if I hadn't taken a close enough look to realize that most of the cool shit being heard on the albums he's taken part in are bass tracks rather than guitar? The answer is quite simple.
I can not be blamed if the context of my being here, on a Tool forum, evaporates in your mind, Kody, when I discuss my issues with the band. That is on you. That is your own fault for forgetting just which part of the internet this is, forgetting why someone would be here in the first place, and making faulty assumptions based on these conditions.
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Re: pink floyd
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If "everyone knows that" then why did you try to point out the equally obvious fact that record sales =/= money so that you could chalk up Maynard's product-whoring to "needing to make money because he's not rich"?
You were wrong, as you have been many times, and once again you backpedal and reverse yourself slightly.
That is an interesting theory. Now let me tell you how it works in reality.
I am a Tool fan, obviously, or I wouldn't be here. However, I don't believe they or any other band warrant the kind of worship that some people give everything they touch, and I don't believe that they are any more influential or "ahead of the curve" than any other prog metal band (porcupine tree, dream theater, etc) and thus do not warrant special merit either.
In addition I feel that Adam Jones, while perfect in the context of Tool's music, is no great shakes outside of it, and the majority that I have spoken with harbor similar feelings on the subject. Also, having met MJK after a Tool show and after an APC show, and having spoken with many others who have been lucky enough to as well, and comparing notes, I can conclude that Maynard really doesn't like his fans, given his derision towards even the ones that say nothing but "hey man, great show, love your music", to say nothing of those that go on long ramblings about what occult things they're into, or what the gong Danny has means, or Blair's latest news post (true story).
I do like their music and it has enriched my life in the same manner that other music that I like enough to dissect has enriched my life. Ask yourself, would I be pointing out the fact that Adam sticks to bar chords, pick scrapes, and odd feedback if I hadn't taken a look and analyzed his bag of tricks? Would I be giving Justin props for being one of the best bassists alive, in my opinion, if I hadn't taken a close enough look to realize that most of the cool shit being heard on the albums he's taken part in are bass tracks rather than guitar? The answer is quite simple.
I can not be blamed if the context of my being here, on a Tool forum, evaporates in your mind, Kody, when I discuss my issues with the band. That is on you. That is your own fault for forgetting just which part of the internet this is, forgetting why someone would be here in the first place, and making faulty assumptions based on these conditions.
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