Its possible to love TOOL but not like this album. Granted, I love this album, but don't waste my energy on those who don't. The only thing that "fucker" said that bothered me was that he couldn't stand 4 minute intros anymore. Huh? How can anyone love TOOL and not like long songs?

Exactly. The longer, the better;
and although this album was very hard for me to check, finally I got into it and I adore it.
It's also very hard for me to understand, how somebody can't like 10.000 days. It's a typical Tool-album, maybe a bit more quiet than AEnima and not so complicated than Lateralus, but... at least, it's Tool!

I pretty much agree. I like the message of the songs, and the album is great. But it doesn't hit me like Anema and Lateralus did. However I thought the production quality was excelent.

I'm SURROUNDED by my friends and fellow "TOOL fans" who don't get it.... only I do..... =P

Just looking for my avatar...

Dude! Just fucking hit him! You disagree with him, he disagrees with you, so fight! Fuck, if only people would wake up to this logic, the world would be so much better off....

Thank you. I didn't have a chance to stress that cuz everyone came out flaming. But that is what confused me the most. If you want a song to start and finish b4 you get to the store, tool is prob not 4 u. (but i def recommended "the pot") I don't care if he doesnt agree how sick the album is.

later

10,000 days is a complicated album and some tool fans cant over come that or will just look back on the past albums because they have more of a taste in them. This topic is kind of on the rocks because everyone has different "tastes" in music, i mean look at the rap genre, i guess thats doing well maybe we should live in the "hood" and get "shot" you can always write about that.

And No you shouldn't hit the kid but verbally abuse him.
Violence only leads to more violence then Jail time

Then again you can always pray and see what god comes up with but dont expect an answer soon.

And im not "hating" i mostly agree with you but honestly the kid to me seems like a dumbass............

God you guys are mostly a bunch of bitchy egomaniacal turdsmears. EVERYTHING that ANYONE says is IMMEDIATELY and THOROUGHLY torn to shreds. No one can express anything without an entire posse ganging up on them and showing how "stupid" thry are for not being 8000% objective in every single thing they say....will you annoying little gnats get over yourselves already? This whole board is brought down severely by the heavy weight of all you bastards CONSTANTLY flaming, tearing down, making fun, stabbing at weaknesses, etc....it makes this place suck.
On a related note, 10KD is, infact a masterpiece. It was created by a group of four of the most talented and passionate life-long musicians in the world. Of course such a thing is BOUND to be a masterpiece. It is however, a masterpiece on a subtle plane, one that may easily be missed by the uninitiated, the uninformed, or the immature. This is an album of Emotion, Subtlety, and Intensity....that is their evolution.
Of course there are going to be people who don't see that, or don't *want* to see it.
It is easy to tear someone apart for making such a blanket statement as "they just don't get it", but the fact is, most intelligent and musically aware people who would genuinely call themselves Tool fans, and have felt the deep and intense way that Tool can effect the psyche, should by all means be able to have the emotional depth and perspective to the the absolute beauty and quiet genius of 10KD. If you're just looking for "memorable riffs" etc, there are 1000 other bands that could fulfill this need, and do on a regular basis. Tool simply isn't about that, so for a "Tool Fan" to say that the new album sucks.....hmm....is truly hard to comprehend.

I think they're starting to get it! I agree completely. When people waste the time to write...."You were gonna hit him!? Oh my god! You shouldn't hit him!"

Ummm. I wasnt really gonna hit him. Jokes are funny. I get jokes.

I agree:
Simplify it even more and look at the facts. This can apply to anyone that falls into this category of past Tool fan hating this album, and hence goes to the point of this thread I beleive.
This kid likes previous Tool albums/songs but doesn't like 10 K Days? How can't he? Strictly musically speaking, this album really has something for eveyone doesn't it? If you like rock, how can you truly hate this album? This album kicks some ass whether or not it's Tool.

Thanks for stealing pic, i appreciate it.......

Ummm.....I didn't steal this pic from you. That sucks that they're the same though....hmmm....if you look, mine has parts of the pic that aren't even in yours, so I couldn't have gotten it from you. However, since you've been here ONE MONTH longer than I....I suppose I'll change it.

i don't think it's possible for someone to "get" or "not get" music per se. I don't think the members in TOOL think of it that way either.

HOWEVER, I do think that a majority of the people who dislike 10K are not musicians themselves. It seems to me that people who don't appreciate music for its originality have a harder time grasping anything that doesn't sound specifically "catchy" or where the lyrics don't immediately jump out to them as being "deep."

10K is a perfect example. I didn't realize some of the things going on until I saw them play in Philly this summer. I play drums and there were still things I didnt catch until the live show. Now imagine if someone doesnt have any musical background and they here Rosetta Stoned or something. Chances are good that they won't like it because the lyrics are hard to understand, the material seems "stupid" and the music isn't readily analyzed.

Same goes for a band like The Mars Volta. Talk about musicianship, but talk about a band that people tend to despise the first time listening to them.

After reading the last 20 posts or so, I got 2 comments:

It's peculiar how the lovers of the new album are still looking for solid reasons to love the new album, and present those reasons to the dissers... maybe they feel that deep down inside, they're right. They get it. *lol* I just can't picture some aerosmith fans trying to convince some aerosmith dissers that they don't get it...

And, for the other comment:

Not liking 10kd for not having "memorable riffs" is like not liking the latest Mercedes Benz because it's yellow. It's stu-pid!

You can go ahead and change Mercedes for your favourite brand automobile, and yellow for the colour you hate the most... make the analogy work for you.

Cheers

Its been 3 months since it came out, so if someone doesn't like the album by now they never will. And that's fine with me. I like 10,000 days, but don't feel the need to explain myself.

This thread started out good, mocking people that bitch about 10,000 Days, as I totally adore the album. But then again, you kinda were a bit too harsh. I see what people dislike about 10,000 Days. And then, in this thread there were some incredible asshole answers from people that just let their anger out and this other stuff that isn't called anger, but "flaming" which gives them a wood.

i love 10,000 Days as an album but with most of the songs i have to fast foward through it.. i really only like certain parts of the songs on 10kdays.. i dont know why.. but i could listen to Ænema and Lateralus all the way through and not be bored at all.. i am still trying to get into it.. iv'e listened to it alot since i got it on may 2nd.. ah.. i dunno.. i have ADHD i guess.

Said it all.

I honestly have a hard time listening to Ænema and Lateralus all the way through these days. I know the albums way too well that I kinda get bored. I love each and every song individually but I'm too familiar with them.

As of right now I can only listen all the way through to 10,000 Days because there are so many interesting things happening (it's so deep, especially Rosetta) and Opiate, cause everything on it is catchy as hell and it's short.

But I would never think less of anyone who doesn't like 10,000 Days. I have a hard time comprehinding why they don't, but it's their loss and that's that. I think it's brilliant. I do think that being a musician helps though, cause there is some crazy stuff going on everywhere. These guys truly are geniuses, all of them. It's in the stubtlety as much as it is in the virtuosity.

I think the main problem people have with Tool, is that Tool put so little effort into their music, that if you're not a bit of a meathead you just crave something with more thought put into it.

ps; Tool songs are not long. Tony Conrad songs are long. There's a difference.

Compared to Britney, Tool songs are long. Compared to my song, Conrad is a mouse! ;)

I think the main problem with people who have this problem with Tool is that they get distracted by the hype that Tool are some uber-musical geniuses that can't be surpassed by anyone.

I try to see things more clearly. It doesn't worry me that some people think Tool are gods. I know they are not and that there is plenty more wonderful music out there. It also doesn't worry me that some say Tool are highly overrated. I don't try to rate and rank everything, I just embrace the beauty of art as it is presented.

This way I can enjoy Tool for what it is: bloody good music.

Yes. especially the first sentence.

man, that "I like weirder music than the rest" attitude is sooo boring... just go and become a member of the lightning bolt fanclub or something, dude...

I think all of their albums are excellent in their own unique way. Opiate and Undertow had a pure hard rock sound, whereas Aenima and Lateralus saw them evolve immensely from that sound, to forge a more prog-influenced epic sound and song structure. 10,000 Days is just another step in their ongoing evolution. And to anyone having grievances with the percieved lack of depth in the lyrics, I read an interview where Maynard said he chose to go in a more personal lyrical direction on this record. Apparently, when people didn't seem to fully absorb and understand the philosophical spiritual lyrics of Lateralus, he kind of became disillusioned I guess. From what I can surmise, he felt alot of people who listened to it were just doing so purely for the enjoyment of the music itself and not trying to delve further into the lyrics in order to truly understand where he and the band were coming from. Granted, I haven't been a fan that long (since late '03) but they have still touched my life in a positive way and helped me through some tough times in my life. Kind of bums me out that people can't except that bands have to grow and change in order for them to remain vital and relevant.

Memorable riffs? Why just riffs? What about memorable moments of music? There are plenty of them on 10,000 Days.

I agree. That's one of the coolest things about all their albums. (Well at least the 2 prior to this)
Out of the 5/6 actual songs on their albums, I'll be in love with 3 of them and kinda forget about a few. Then I do just as you said and give it another listen...and you hear all kinds of shit you've never noticed.
Reflection was like that, and Rosetta stoned was the first one I sorta did that with on this album.

Anyone in this thread who said Tool are less passionate has not seen this album performed live.

Go see a performance and MAYBE you'll 'get it'

I find that people who claim that other people "don't get it", are the ones who really "don't get it". Especially the ones who would consider punching somebody for having a different opinion.

oh goddamnit....

When did TOOL's music become a religion...so fucking 'man-made'? Seriously? "Well MY TOOL is this and that...so they can't be that"

You're taking something that is given to you in a raw unmolested form, and trying to force your own spin on it. Hasn't Maynard (or God if you will), stated on many occassions their music has no linear message? Everything is up for the listener's interpretation. Just because another fan of the music didn't see something you did, doesn't make him "wrong". He simply had a different outlook on it...good or bad. Being a pompous ass and wanting to "throw down" because someone didn't like a song or two is childlish. If you "got" TOOL (your phrasing not mine), you should realize everything is subjective, to think for yourself, and not to force your own viewpoints on others. Instead of looking at him in dumbfoundment, you should have invited him to go grab a beer and discuss the album...or simply stated your own opinion and been on your way

TOOL is just a band (granted, in my opinion the greatest band ever to exist). I'm not trying to downplay their importance on you, or others (because they have impacted my deeply), but other bands have envoked similar meanings to other people. Being a fan doesn't grant you special mystical powers and entitle you to this elitist lifestyle.

Sorry for the rant, and for using you as a scapegoat for my aggression lately. With the entire Street Scene fiasco, and now this post, I am really starting to see why so many people who are not fans of the band have such a vendetta for TOOL fans. Just like religion, people take a great philosophy and bend and twist it to their own personal satisfaction. Live and let live

Amen to that. The fact that the members of TOOL use the band as a spiritual vehicle for self-transformation does not necessarily mean that there is unambigious meaning to be found in their expressions. After all, in several interviews the members have said "Think for yourselves".

As such, on every album in each song there is ambiguity to be found to evoke the stance that we as humans fail to see the whole picture. Take for example the photo on the Aenima CD: is this man involved in sexual activity or not? We cannot be sure because we fail to see the whole picture, in fact it's "undecidable". it's meaning is ambigious. So it is not so important what the picture means - or lyrics of a TOOL song for that matter -. It's more important what the picture means to you. Life's what you make it ...

Generally spoken, how can you relate the music of TOOL to your own life. There are no institutionalized meanings to be found in the music and that's the beauty of TOOL because they intentionally make their music unintentional and we cannot even be sure about that because we fail to see the whole picture.

It is fun though discussing about the meaning of TOOL's music ...

Just my 2 cents.

To lachrymotion and Klep,

You are idiots. If you actually read anything I've written, you'd realize I'm not mad that someone's opinion differs from mine. I simply posed the question, Is it possible to "get tool" and actually dislike 10K Days. Not prefer other albums...Dislike this one.
In my opinion it's not possible.
You are retards. And I WASNT GOING TO BEAT ANYONE UP!!!!
Read b4 you post dicks!

Tink fo yo-sef.

HAHA. Well...That too!

All your jibber-jabber just sounds like a guy who is trying to convince himself and other's they are holier than thou.

Of corse its possible to dislike an album and still "get" TOOL. I dislike mathmatics, but I know that 2 + 2 = 4.

Get off your soapbox...and quit being a jackass. I never hurled insults at you to make a point. That the only way you can make yours?

You sire, are a pathetic motherfucker for wanting to hit someone simply because they disagree with you. That is all.

^ and the word of the week is: probation!

ok, kids, go play in the sand for a while...

You weirdos are unreal!

Read b4 Writing Friends!!! (it's the least you can do to prevent yourself from saying something retarded.)