When mayanard says. " over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind."
It seems to me like he is saying its a bad thing to separate the body from the mind. However I don't think its totally bad to do this. For example when trying to project your mind through astral projection you want to do just that, "seperate the body from the mind."
Im wondering what everyone else thinks about this line in Lateralus.
__________________ The mind is designed to design realities.
Astral journeys may allow the mind to travel beyond the limits of the physical body, but must always remain safely grounded. If one forgets that their mind is rooted in the body - in neurological function - then one could start to believe that astral exploration can lead to danger... falsely believing that troubles encountered out/in there are actually dangerous.
The neurological studies conducted by Andrew Newberg and the late Eugene d'Aquilli study just such journeys. When the brain focuses hard enough, it can forget the physical body. Your mind does not technically separate from the body; it just looks elsewhere.
So Maynard's message can still hold true as a warning.
Separation leads to disconnection; we want unity. We want connection.
We want to dissolve our one into the One.
I hope this makes sense.
~ Dave_Toms
~ Rhythmic_Reflection
Well... It could actually be a bad thing, like Maynard says, if you look at the part afterward, too: Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind.
I feel like he's saying that when you overthink things, you are separating yourself from your pure mind; your Id (as in Freud, and the subconscious). You can see this sentiment in the end of the famous Hamlet speech as well:
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.
If you listen too closely to your conscience (and your conscious ego, too, I suppose), you will be basing your actions too closely on what society has taught you; what you have learned in life, and not enough on what your inner voice says. This overthinking leads to the "withering of the intuition," and therefore the disappearance of the opportunities that you might otherwise take, were you choosing your path based on your natural instincts.
Basically, a couple good answers here. I used to ponder and ponder, and...(overthink overanalyze) why this is not a contradiction also. Well, as explained, transcendence is not about seperation, but about going new or different directions, and past boundries and deffinitions...I guess, this is a pretty important little lesson as far as that goes. At first impression, one may think that to cross all these paths, and break these "boundries", it would be a sort of seperation from "reality" or body in general. Therein is the importance of realizing this is not a seperation but an expansion...very important...
Reality does not "own" your body, as some sort of seperate portion of your existance. Reality only IS, as your mind, and body, exist as one.
Ramble on...*air guitar ensues*
__________________ stop trying to pull me out of my self indulgant pitifull hole
consider the bill hicks rant...
"And I'm glad [mushrooms] are illegal. Because you know what happened when I took 'em? I laid in a field of green grass for four hours going, 'My God ...I ...love ...EVERYTHING.' The heavens parted, and God rained gifts of forgiveness onto my being, healing my psychically, physically, and emotionally. I realized that our true nature was spirit not body; that it is only an illusion that we are separate from God or that we are alone. The reality is that we are at one with God and he loves us. Now if that's not a danger to society...I mean, how are we gonna keep building nuclear weapons, you know what I mean? What's gonna happen to the arms industry once we realize that we're all one? It's gonna fuck up the economy! The economy that's FAKE anyway!" (apply this quote to parabol/parabola already)
then, try to wrap your head around this (i believe it involves the tree of life?):
Code:
2584 8:31 spiral out, keep going -_-
1597 8:27 spiral out, keep going
987 8:23 spiral out, keep going
610 8:19 spiral out, keep going
477 8:15 and may just go where no one's been 13. godhead
233 8:11 we'll ride the spiral to the end / 12. crown
144 8:07 we may just go where no one's been ) 11. 45 degrees
89 8:03 and following our will and wind \ 10. third eye
55 7:59 what ever will bewilder me 09. nose
34 7:54 whatever will bewilder me 08. chin
21 7:50 i'm reaching for the random or 07. throat
13 7:46 i'm reaching up and reaching out 06. heart (personal)
8 7:42 i feel it move across my skin 05. heart (christ)
5 7:38 and open wide to suck it in 04. solar plexus
3 7:33 i move myself between the sounds 03. will/ego
2 7:29 and with my feet up on the ground 02. sex
1 7:25 [drums/bass repeat] 01. survival
1 7:21 [drums/bass enter]
0 7:17 [just the guitar, "phirythm 2"] ***start here***
"phirhythm 1" -------------- bass 0:00
-0-0-0-0------ 4:47
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"phirhythm 2" -------------- guitar 7:17
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-0~------x-0--
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Tool and Maynard do not appear to be dualists - the unity of body and mind is important to them. Spinoza is excellent on this discussion:
Through thought we can transcend (not Spinoza's words) our temporary existence and perceive God (NB, Spinoza's God is quite different to any one may be familiar with through modern religions). However, the extent to which we perceive God (or infinity, everything that must be) is limited by our bodies, since our mind which thinks is a part of our body. Spinoza would be one who Maynard would say 'overanalyses', but Spinoza is careful not to separate his body from his mind in his work (even if he lived differently) and his discussion of the passions that is rooted in his particular mind/body distinction is quite relevant when trying to understand Tool.
I have no idea what iAMtheMA!'s code is, but I would like to.
__________________ There is no error more dangerous than CONFUSING THE EFFECT WITH THE CAUSE: I call it the genuine corruption of reason. Nevertheless, this error is one of humanity's oldest and most contemporary customs: It has even been made sacred among us, it bears the name of 'religion' and 'morality.' EVERY statement formulated by religion and morality contains it; priests and moral lawgivers are the ones who originated this corruption of reason.
- Nietzsche, plagiarising Spinoza (Ethics, Part I-appendix).
I have thought about this very thought, what if maynard meant it be good for a seperation of body and mind, like buddhists teach. If pain is an illusion, than shouldnt we seperate the body and not focus on physical pain?
I have thought about this very thought, what if maynard meant it be good for a seperation of body and mind, like buddhists teach. If pain is an illusion, than shouldnt we seperate the body and not focus on physical pain?
True but if the body and the mind are seperated, wouldn't there be the possibility of losing control of one's physical actions?
__________________ Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intratef
then, try to wrap your head around this (i believe it involves the tree of life?):
Code:
2584 8:31 spiral out, keep going -_-
1597 8:27 spiral out, keep going
987 8:23 spiral out, keep going
610 8:19 spiral out, keep going
477 8:15 and may just go where no one's been 13. godhead
233 8:11 we'll ride the spiral to the end / 12. crown
144 8:07 we may just go where no one's been ) 11. 45 degrees
89 8:03 and following our will and wind \ 10. third eye
55 7:59 what ever will bewilder me 09. nose
34 7:54 whatever will bewilder me 08. chin
21 7:50 i'm reaching for the random or 07. throat
13 7:46 i'm reaching up and reaching out 06. heart (personal)
8 7:42 i feel it move across my skin 05. heart (christ)
5 7:38 and open wide to suck it in 04. solar plexus
3 7:33 i move myself between the sounds 03. will/ego
2 7:29 and with my feet up on the ground 02. sex
1 7:25 [drums/bass repeat] 01. survival
1 7:21 [drums/bass enter]
0 7:17 [just the guitar, "phirythm 2"] ***start here***
"phirhythm 1" -------------- bass 0:00
-0-0-0-0------ 4:47
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|. . . . |
|. . . |
"phirhythm 2" -------------- guitar 7:17
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-0~------x-0--
-0~------x-0--
-0~------x-0--
So some genius applied the chakra system to the song? I don't get it?
__________________ "Nobody is what he was meant by existence to be." ~Osho
