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Old 08-21-2012, 02:18 AM   #321
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is anima mundi the lowest or highest?
well if adam kadmon is the cosmic man then its the lowest
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just to add... there's 7 Adam's in that part of the story, which then (created lower beings?) turned their sweat into another form of a man, which had a shady shadow like form, and it made itself's shadow into a man and a woman... or something like that.
is this from blavatsky, or where does this come from?
why 7, and what are they part of, like adam kadmon is reached at kether on the tree of life and orion is the cosmic man
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I'am not sure did I understood that talk about, how Taro-cards are archetypes in The Tree of Life.. does C.Jung have an opinion about this?
im not that big on yung but it seems like it , he introduced the trem archetype, and collective unconscious, and it contains all ideas common to all opeople

the unnconscioussness of a person contains all the parts of him that is suppressed or that he doesnt acknowledge a unconscious part of the personality that the concsious self doesnt reckognize, the whole process of crucifying your ego or pooring your blood into babalons cup

so it could be seen as the negative you

just realized that maybe this is also part of the reason for splitting the tracks into two sides and uniting them each with the oposite on the other side to create harmony
thus uniting unconscious with the conscious.

so magick is the union of the consciouss with unconscious
and the use of ritual to astral project onto the astral plain is the process of expolring the 10 spheres of the astral plane.

and the thing about the archetypes might have somethiomg to do with sacred geometry, see people using the average language like english use individual letters in groups and sentences to communicate , if you look at language like chinese or hebrew , hegyptian, greek or a better example enochian
the alphabet they use convey there message through archetypes or symbolism, which contain an expression of something not individual words , like when crowly did the aethyrs he mentioned that at teh higher parts of the aethyrs what he is describing is impossible to describe correctly, because of this archetypal type of communication
the mind works in symbols, and not in letters or words .

so this is part of the tarot, by containing all types of possible ideas using geometry as a language, which kind of comes back to the mythos or logos



The origins of the archetypal hypothesis date back as far as Plato. In the seventeenth century Sir Thomas Browne and Francis Bacon both employ the word 'archetype' in their writings, Browne in The Garden of Cyrus attempts to depict archetypes in his citing of symbolic proper-names. Jung himself compared archetypes to Platonic ideas. Plato's ideas were pure mental forms that were imprinted in the soul before it was born into the world. They were collective in the sense that they embodied the fundamental characteristics of a thing rather than its specific peculiarities.
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so if jung got his archetype ideas from plato who discoveered the 5 platonoc solids and theorized that all classical elements are constructed of teh 5 solids
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this leads me to the atbash tarot archetype rearangement thing again
on lateralus
youhave the grudge linked to saturn or chronos who ate his children, and chronos is the god of time or father time the old man archetype of yung
who uses personal knowledge of people to tell stories opposed
to the vpice pof god metatron, the scribe seen as a lesser GOD
eon blue apocalypse
deaf , amd triad shiva one of the hidu trinity and is the main aspect of life
patient
the start of the path of initiation or enlightenment or life, refelction the end of the path:
mantra
is a sound, syllable, word, or group of words that is considered capable of "creating transformation" (cf. spiritual transformation).[2] Its use and type varies according to the school and philosophy associated with the mantra.[3]
, and disposition habits or thoughts of mind of someone
schism
division and lateralus transmuttion
parabol heat:
So familiar and overwhelmingly warm
ticks and leeches cold;
You have turned my blood cold and bitter,

parabola as the central track mortality
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vicarious`` EYEON the TV``ain
death and vengeance
viginti tres devide the duration and get 231
the lord of the double wand of the force kophnia, qoph and nia is ain reversed
kophnia adds - 231
lord of the double wand of power means the power over avtive and passive
The formula 0=2
represents a cycle frequently used to describe the mystical result of yoga or sex magick. It may properly be linked to the concept of yin and yang.

The first half of the cycle deals with ascent from the normal to the supernal: the normal result of forcing two equal and opposite things to combine is annihilation of both values. This results in a zero sum.

The other half of the cycle is less readily understood as it deals with the descent from the supernal to the normal: the supernal result of a true union (through love) restores the values to the annihilated opposites, but in doing so sums the absolute values. This results in a sum of two.
ra hoor khuit had a universe in hansd that he crushed so that 0 remians, and the double wand imn the right

jambi union monism, Shine until the two become one
right in 2, division duality
wings 1 death and darknes
Daylight dims leaving cold fluorescents
Difficult to see you in this light
intension, birth or rebirth and light
Pure as light, return to one

10kdays ascension intoi heaven ,
rosettat stoned, an ubduction by aliens

not sure about this , pot who are you to wave you finger
lost keys
Doctor: Name?
Nurse: No sir.
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lipan the central track aprayer meant to invoke the All
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Intermission-Disposition ... I think pairing up these tracks from different albums, so that all symbols, are in that pair.. Looking up somehow which element is in the case and pair it up with a track which most obviously doesn't have that same element as counterpair has. silly explonation would be: Disposition(obvious AIR?) with a "segue" Intermission(obviously not AIR, or any other, except if you find something from the track lenght which lures you to track down the trail of smoke and reason.)
do you mena each track having an element , like the mimor trump is atributed to the 4 elements
but maybe the tracks need to be fitted to the tree of life
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and maybe all of this is just pointless bullshit.

Bullshit
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This article is about the expletive. For other uses, see Bullshit (disambiguation).

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Bullshit (also bullcrap) is a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism BS. In British English, "bollocks" is a comparable expletive, although bullshit is commonly used in British English. Its common meaning is to indicate a falsehood – a false proposition. Hence something which is "bullshit" is said to be false or exaggerated.[1] As with many expletives, the term can be used as an interjection or as many other parts of speech, and can carry a wide variety of meanings.
It can be used either as a noun or as a verb. Used as an interjection, it protests the use of misleading, disingenuous, or false language. While the word is generally used in a deprecating sense, it may imply a measure of respect for language skills, or frivolity, among various other benign usages. In philosophy, Harry Frankfurt, among others, analyzed the concept of bullshit as related to but distinct from lying.
Outside of the philosophical and discursive studies, the everyday phrase bullshit conveys a measure of dissatisfaction with something or someone, but does not generally describe any role of truth in the matter.
Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
2 In the philosophy of truth & rhetoric
2.1 Assertions of fact
2.1.1 Distinguished from lying
2.2 Harry Frankfurt's concept
3 In everyday language
4 See also
5 References
5.1 Notes
5.2 Bibliography
Etymology

"Bull", meaning nonsense, dates from the 17th century,[2] while the term "bullshit" has been used as early as 1915 in American slang,[3] and came into popular usage only during World War II. The word "bull" itself may have derived from the Old French boul meaning "fraud, deceit" (Oxford English Dictionary).[3] The term "horseshit" is a near synonym. Worthy of note is the South African English equivalent "bull dust". Few corresponding terms exist in other languages, with the significant exception of German Bockmist, literally "billy-goat shit".
The earliest attestation mentioned by the Concise Oxford English Dictionary is in fact T. S. Eliot, who between 1910 and 1916 wrote an early poem to which he gave the title "The Triumph of Bullshit", written in the form of a ballade. The first stanza goes:
Ladies, on whom my attentions have waited
If you consider my merits are small
Etiolated, alembicated,
Orotund, tasteless, fantastical,
Monotonous, crotchety, constipated,
Impotent galamatias
Affected, possibly imitated,
For Christ's sake stick it up your ass.
The word bullshit does not appear in the text of the poem, though in keeping with the ballade form, the refrain "For Christ's sake stick it up your ass" appears in each following verse and concludes the envoi. Eliot did not publish this poem during his lifetime.[4]
As to earlier etymology the OED cites bull with the meaning "trivial, insincere, untruthful talk or writing, nonsense". It describes this usage as being of unknown origin, but notes the following: "OF boul, boule, bole fraud, deceit, trickery; mod. Icel bull ‘nonsense’; also ME bull BUL ‘falsehood’, and BULL verb, to befool, mock, cheat." [5]
Although as the above makes clear there is no confirmed etymological connection, it might be noted that these older meanings are synonymous with the modern expression "bull" otherwise generally considered, and intentionally used as, a contraction of "bullshit".
In the philosophy of truth & rhetoric

Assertions of fact
Bullshit is commonly used to describe statements made by people more concerned with the response of the audience than in truth and accuracy, such as goal-oriented statements made in the field of politics or advertising. On one prominent occasion, the word itself was part of a controversial advertisement. During the 1980 U.S. presidential campaign, the Citizens Party candidate Barry Commoner ran a radio advertisement that began with an actor exclaiming: "Bullshit! Carter, Reagan and Anderson, it's all bullshit!" NBC refused to run the advertisement because of its use of the expletive, but Commoner's campaign successfully appealed to the Federal Communications Commission to allow the advertisement to run unedited.[6]
Distinguished from lying
"Bullshit" does not necessarily have to be a complete fabrication; with only basic knowledge about a topic, bullshit is often used to make the audience believe that one knows far more about the topic by feigning total certainty or making probable predictions. It may also merely be "filler" or nonsense that, by virtue of its style or wording, gives the impression that it actually means something.
In his essay on the subject, William G. Perry called bull[shit] "relevancies, however relevant, without data" and gave a definition of the verb "to bull[shit]" as follows:
To discourse upon the contexts, frames of reference and points of observation which would determine the origin, nature, and meaning of data if one had any. To present evidence of an understanding of form in the hope that the reader may be deceived into supposing a familiarity with content.[7]
The bullshitter generally either knows the statements are likely false, exaggerated, and in other ways misleading or has no interest in their factual accuracy one way or the other. "Talking bullshit" is thus a lesser form of lying, and is likely to elicit a correspondingly weaker emotional response: whereas an obvious liar may be greeted with derision, outrage, or anger, an exponent of bullshit tends to be dismissed with an indifferent sneer.
Harry Frankfurt's concept
In his essay On Bullshit (originally written in 1986, and published as a monograph in 2005), philosopher Harry Frankfurt of Princeton University characterizes bullshit as a form of falsehood distinct from lying. The liar, Frankfurt holds, knows and cares about the truth, but deliberately sets out to mislead instead of telling the truth. The "bullshitter", on the other hand, does not care about the truth and is only seeking to impress:[8][9]
It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.
Frankfurt connects this analysis of bullshit with Ludwig Wittgenstein's disdain of "non-sense" talk, and with the popular concept of a "bull session" in which speakers may try out unusual views without commitment. He fixes the blame for the prevalence of "bullshit" in modern society upon anti-realism and upon the growing frequency of situations in which people are expected to speak or have opinions without appropriate knowledge of the subject matter.
Gerald Cohen, in "Deeper into Bullshit", contrasted the kind of "bullshit" Frankfurt describes with a different sort: nonsense discourse presented as sense. Cohen points out that this sort of bullshit can be produced either accidentally or deliberately. While some writers do deliberately produce bullshit, a person can also aim at sense and produce nonsense by mistake; or a person deceived by a piece of bullshit can repeat it innocently, without intent to deceive others.[10]
Cohen gives the example of Alan Sokal's "Transgressing the Boundaries" as a piece of deliberate bullshit. Sokal's aim in creating it, however, was to point out that the "postmodernist" editors who accepted his paper for publication could not distinguish nonsense from sense, and thereby by implication that their field was "bullshit".
In everyday language

Outside of the academic world, among natural speakers of North American English, as an interjection or adjective, bullshit conveys general displeasure, an objection to, or points to unfairness within, some state of affairs. In this 20th century colloquial usage, "bullshit" does not give a truth score to another's discourse. It simply labels something that the speaker does not like and feels he is unable to change.
See also

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Bollocks
Confabulation
Humbug
Tall tale
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I must say, Reflection is the Abyss/The Void/The Purgatory

http://toolnavy.com/showthread.php?p=3075840#post3075840

Parabol, I'd put this into a place of "lovers" card
The Grudge, I just feel like Kennedy assasination to interpret this.
i still have to read it but im confident in saying that its not, it seems like it if you look at the lyrics, just like pushit seems like the obvious chpice for daath. at first i also thought reflection should be daath

418 is a good start

if you look at it and find the start of the aethyrs and the start of yth calls you whould understand
maybe i should just mention it anyway

the 30 aethyrs start at stinkfist and you add the 18 calls to it ending at the last track of the new albvum
but this wouldnt work if you add the last 2 tracks to the new album
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i still have to read it but im confident in saying that its not, it seems like it if you look at the lyrics, just like pushit seems like the obvious chpice for daath. at first i also thought reflection should be daath

418 is a good start

if you look at it and find the start of the aethyrs and the start of yth calls you whould understand
maybe i should just mention it anyway

the 30 aethyrs start at stinkfist and you add the 18 calls to it ending at the last track of the new albvum
but this wouldnt work if you add the last 2 tracks to the new album
you get the right order of the aethyrs
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so which track on lateralus would be daath
ZAX of coarse
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I see that, hmm.. well a long shot would be that there's two tracks at least, for Daath. Reflection(for the reason that once a man ascends to sin it is almost neccessary to have a near to death experience).. but on his way to sin, this man is more like the two sexed being in that "Schism" -dvd.. and while that being travels down to Malkuth, it might have a glimpse onto that gap.
so now if you read the vision and the voice and follow the tracks you a type of story line that followss the tracks, follow it and think about the combonation tracks i mentioned on larealus and aenima.
if you consider this , the meaning of those tracks included becomes clear

not sure about 2 daaths though , cause its a false sephiroth and its the only path to teh tree pf death

maybe looking at the first tree that was solved as a clue, cpuld be helpful
what happened there was the sepohirth folowed a simple desending or ascending path, probably ascending , regeneration and iluminatrion

but the catch was identifyng daath, and choosing the start at teh bottom or the top in that case it was the top seen as malkuth the start of pathe up the tree and climaxed in viginti tres
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so maybe the albums being paired inti groupd s pof 11 and 13 tracks could also be a clue
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Starting from Malkuth, 15th card would be Chariot, The
15th?
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all thou, I ordered a summary about a while a go, this could be a nice spot to look at what has been done to all questions so far..

So which would be the combo tracks?
Are tracks corresponding Spheres and cards in the TOL?

Hooker, 46&2, Jimmy and Third Eye.. Played and written with Justin.. no info for segues such as: Message to Hairy Manback, Caesaro Summability, (-) Ions?

Opiate anniversary? Another "Gaping Lotus Experience"? and what's to come?
What to do with Salival tracks.. are they dumped and unusable into this piece fitting?
Who came up with that idea about 69 tracks and looping Opiate+Undertow?...
69, faaip de oaid, viginti tres.. eyes, voice and will of god.


aenimma-die eir von satan
pushit
cesaro summability

lateralus-parabola
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faaip de oiad
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aenimma-die eir von satan
pushit
cesaro summability

lateralus-parabola
mantra
faaip de oiad
whats weird about this is that tracks 10-12are on aenima are the same tracks
on lateralus that form triad

so maybe there is something about that?
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all thou, I ordered a summary about a while a go, this could be a nice spot to look at what has been done to all questions so far..

So which would be the combo tracks?
Are tracks corresponding Spheres and cards in the TOL?

Hooker, 46&2, Jimmy and Third Eye.. Played and written with Justin.. no info for segues such as: Message to Hairy Manback, Caesaro Summability, (-) Ions?

Opiate anniversary? Another "Gaping Lotus Experience"? and what's to come?
What to do with Salival tracks.. are they dumped and unusable into this piece fitting?
Who came up with that idea about 69 tracks and looping Opiate+Undertow?...
69, faaip de oaid, viginti tres.. eyes, voice and will of god.
what opiate anniversary
and waht 69 tracks?

not sure about salival, but hy gues is that it was supposed to be a clue to all of the shiyt thats happening on the albums
cause somewhere they mention something about at the end of undertow they decided to include a hidden track, and somewhere else they mention that before aenima was recorded they worked on the ultimate hidden track.

and it also could have been used to give fans the artwork of adam
or as an indication of a future box set tha could be released.
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starting from the fool it would change into mental plane and the card would be temperance
why temperance?
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This is in random order, but fill in The Fool if you wish..
Schism, Ticks & Leeches, Hooker With A Penis,
H., Disposition, Rosetta Stoned,
Forty-Six & Two, Jimmy, Right In Two,
Lateralus, Stinkfist, Third Eye,
The Patient, Eulogy, Triad,
Jamb1, Ænema, The Grudge,
Vicarious, Reflection, The Pot.
so would this be startimng at path 1 from kether to chokmah or from malkuth to yesod and
why use different albums, i think maybe they are supposed to be apploied to albums individually not all of them as one.

and the other thing i was wondering about that seems out of place is that each od fthe albums central tracks and total trcaks are attributed to tarot
15devil
13deth
11lust
9hermit

8udjustment
7chariot
6lovers
5hiorophant

and if you dont believe this check it out, check out the eathyrs adn check out the meaning s of the cards adn the albums.
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so would this be startimng at path 1 from kether to chokmah or from malkuth to yesod and
why use different albums, i think maybe they are supposed to be apploied to albums individually not all of them as one.

and the other thing i was wondering about that seems out of place is that each od fthe albums central tracks and total trcaks are attributed to tarot
15devil
13deth
11lust
9hermit

8udjustment
7chariot
6lovers
5hiorophant

and if you dont believe this check it out, check out the eathyrs adn check out the meaning s of the cards adn the albums.
but this doesnt mean its noty possible , maybe its part of the whole process, so maybe then the cards are supoosed to be applied to the paths leading between each sephiroth.

cause i think this whole was created in way for anyone to understansd, so they wouldnt have made it to complicated rto figureout, so i think keeping it simple at first is a good idea .
if doesnt work try something else.
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see im no expert in the occult or tarot, but i realize theres a lot of diffrent paths and arrangements, so findingthe right one could be difficult.

unless you have some sort of point of reference .
like having the tracks assighne to the correct seohiroth.
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so i tried looking at the different paths and got the idea , that croweley`s arrangement isnt correct.
his arrangemet is backwards, but seeing that his works and revolve around equilibrium or balanceof oposites , like the baphomet symbol.
i thought about using the oposite, of the lightning path onn th TOL
and also not aplying it to his arrangement of paths but to the arrangement of frater achad.
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the light ning pathe would then be from
10-malkuth-
fool
9-yesod-
chariot
7-netzach-
hierophant
8-hod-
lovers
6-tiphareth
-moon
4-chesed
-death
5-geburah-
ABYSS
2-chokmah
star
3-binah
universe
1-kether
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On the Evolutionary Path of Feminine Reception (serpent path):
1. Malkuth=Justice
2. Yesod=Hanged Man
3. Hod=Death
4. Netzach=Temperance
5. Tiphareth=Devil
6. Geburah=Tower
7. Chesed=Star
8. Binah=Moon
9. Chokmah=Sun
10.Kether=Judgement
by the way what tree of life arrangement are you usiong
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so i tried looking at the different paths and got the idea , that croweley`s arrangement isnt correct.
his arrangemet is backwards, but seeing that his works and revolve around equilibrium or balanceof oposites , like the baphomet symbol.
i thought about using the oposite, of the lightning path onn th TOL
and also not aplying it to his arrangement of paths but to the arrangement of frater achad.
http://www.necronomi.com/magic/hermeticism/achdtree.gif
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct...P59ZlxOHa04fMg
maybe im soundin g ignorrant, but look at his arrangemnt of the cards and look at the golden daens.
something nis seriously wrong about the GD`s arrangment.
maybe its suuposed tp conceale the true meaning of the paths , because there a secret society afterall, and in there minds only an initiate is supposeed to no the secrets of enlightenment.
but what im talking about is tah if you look at teh book of thoth and th tarot, the deck consists of 22carrds, the fool 1-20 in between and the universe 21 last.
now if you look at the meaning of the catrds youl see that the fool is the complimant to the universe card and if this is so then then they should always be on either side of the tree to complete the cycle. the start and the end
so if thsi is so , why does the lightninf path (acending) satrt on the univers and end on the magician?

this cant be right you start with the end and end on 1 instead of 0?
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see im no expert in the occult or tarot, but i realize theres a lot of diffrent paths and arrangements, so findingthe right one could be difficult.

unless you have some sort of point of reference .
like having the tracks assighne to the correct seohiroth.
this cpould be wrong but this what i think, seeing that triad is one track the same asa pushit , and the other 2 , it seems tempting to start at grudge as malkuth , but then again you have the vpive of god on the other side , plus the whole reflection reaching the end thing might have to do with reaching kether .
but its also possible that mantra parabola and faaip de oiad could be counted as one.

so this could be the arrangement
1-faaip de oiad
2-triad
3-laterfalus
4-parabola
5-parabol
6-schism
7-mantra
8-patient
9-aeon blue apocalypse
10-the grudge
11-ticks and leeches

or reveresed
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Sleeper thought these might be the Lost Keys(Trumps) but I'd cut this down to 7, because I remember something hazy about 7 lost keys of the universe(from Blavatsky), and one of those keys is "Faith"..another thing is that track seven is Lost Keys and Hofmann is 7 letters. so whdda yathink?
The empress,
The emperor,
Fortune,
Hanged man,
The devil,
The sun,
The aeon,
The universe,
there is something about 7, its the center track of aenima if you use the opsite pairing thing from the poutside inwards, on latreralus parabola is the central track , and lost keys as youve mentioned weel its not the center track but its indicating 7, and i wnot be surprised if on the new album the 7tht track would be problem 8.

well i dont know, but if i look at the arrangement of frater achad all the cards are in gruops exept

4the emperor
7chariot
8adjustment
10wheel
17star
18moon
19-sun

7 cards could be a coincidence, or it could be the 7 keys
what are they supposed to be?
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On the Evolutionary Path of Feminine Reception (serpent path):
1. Malkuth=Justice
2. Yesod=Hanged Man
3. Hod=Death
4. Netzach=Temperance
5. Tiphareth=Devil
6. Geburah=Tower
7. Chesed=Star
8. Binah=Moon
9. Chokmah=Sun
10.Kether=Judgement
well i think you have it it seems to fit correctly if you start malkuth at the grudege
this ties in perfectly with the atbash pairing thing , since the 10 sephiroth has 2 cards attributed to them following the same pattern as the atbash cipher.

this gives a broader scope on the meaning of all the tracks , but see reflection and the cards atributed too it, fucking A.
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I think I am quite in middle of changing it into 4 plane system
well the major trumps seem to be in coorect order and the 10 cards of the suit of swords are o the correct sephiroth, at least it seems like it.
so all thats left is the 4 court cards(planes)
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haha, exactly
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Hey remember Blair's newsletter mentioning that "Lost Keys" was the working title for "Wings"!
true, if you look at the 30 eathyrs and 18 keys or calls and palce them on the tracks(if you start at stinkfist)
the 3-m aethyrs end at 10 000 days.
after that is where the keys begin.

im not saying your wrong , just pointing this out.
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0 = journey begins (plane)
1 to 7 = practical plane
8 to 14 = mental plane
15 to 21 = spiritual plane
i was typing too fast and screwed up that part , its an o not a 0.
i meant the minor arcana
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whaddabout' jamb1, shine on the severed.. belevolent..(19)
and the severed hand for upcoming Pot video.. hmm
see i diidnt know the arm on that picture was for teh pot video, ithought its part of the new stuff
this gives me more reason to believe that what said about the arm becoming alive and killig people is true.
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18moon(Reflection)?
19sun(Right In Two)??
if you look at teh involutionary path of lighning , the card attributed to reflectio would be the high priestess.




II. THE HIGH PRIESTESS


This card is referred to the letter Gimel, which means a Camel. (The symbolism of the Camel is explained later.)

The card refers to the Moon. The Moon (being the general feminine symbol, the symbol of the second order corresponding to the Sun as the Yoni does to the Lingam) is universal, and goes from the highest to the lowest. It is a symbol which will recur frequently in these hieroglyphs. But in the earlier Trumps the concern is with Nature above the Abyss; the High Priestess is the first card which connects the Supernal Triad with the Hexad; and her path, as shown in the diagram, makes a direct connection between the Father in his highest aspect, and the Son in his most perfect manifestation. This path is in exact balance in the middle pillar. There is here, therefore, the purest and most exalted conception of the Moon. (At the other end of the scale is Atu xviii, q.v.)

so this could be right, plus there seems to be some thing important about tiphareth , the sun
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what are the 7 keys suposed to be keys to?
a shorter path to kether, or what?
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about tihpareth, it forms the hexagon in the center of the tree if you include daath there is a second hexagram or wheel intersecting the 1st wheel, forming a figure 8 maybe there s something too it.
someth about this was mentioned in one of teh old newsletters where hee talkked about the video of parabola
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555

PARABOL/PARABOLA
Or
MALKUTH HAD IT, KETHER KNEW IT! (Nuit)
but did the readers/viewers?


"...and when the hidden Sephira, Daath, is considered, a perfect circle is formed around Tiphereth..."

From The Qabalistic Tarot by Robert Wang


In the October 2004 REVOLVER-MTV2 HEADBANGERS BALL list of the best metal videos of the new millennium (so far), the readers/viewers selected TOOL's PARABOL/PARABOLA as number 10. According to the article, the highlight of the video (which was directed by Adam Jones) is the scene in which "Three dudes levitate over a table, start to rotate, and then throw up black goo that creates a perfect circle." Even though it is written in Sepher Yetzirah that "Ten are the numbers of the ineffable Sephiroth, ten and not nine, ten and not eleven", too bad that "Parabol/Parabola didn't come in number 11, as that number is perhaps more fitting to the wealth of occult symbolism openly displayed in the video, with eleven being the number of the so-called "false" or "hidden" Sephira of the Qabalistic Tree of Life, it representing the Sphere of Daath (knowledge of higher dimensions). (NOTE: The central sphere of the Tree of Life, Tiphereth (the sixth qabalistic power-zone), represents Ra-Hoor-KHUit, the ever-lasting son within Kether/Nuit and Malkuth/Hadit (i.e. Horus - the Beauty in the Beast), or, as Frater Achad reminds us in his book entitled "The Anatomy of the Body of God", Tiphereth "is a sphere halfway between the Center and the Circumference."

This said, located' on the Middle Pillar in the center of the upper hexagram of the mystical diagram, Daath (which could be said to be both existing and non-existing), is the gateway to the shadow-side (back) of the Tree of Life, whose fruit, according to Kenneth Grant , "is unattainable by man as man." It is also via the accursed Sephira, Daath, after crossing the abyss (Grant's Mauve Zone or others' Divine Twilight), that nightside travelers can access, enter and traverse the 22 tunnels of the qliphoth. And speaking of the qliphoth or shells, the black goo, as the writer of the article refers to the stuff thrown up by three dudes (played in earlier scenes by Maynard, Blair and Lilo), in exoteric terms could be described as the zcrra of the record business. However, in more esoteric terms, it could be seen as Manna from Heaven, or the shit of the gods.
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so this got me thinking that if the pot was tiphareth and its seen as a fulcrunm point,
maybe the 7 keys are supposed to be connected to tiphareth the center of the tree.
if you fold the tree up you get the 7 chakras
which could give you 7 paths on your way from malkuth to kether
the aeon the moon
hanged man, wheel
chariot hyrophamt
high priestess(to connect daath)
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noticed this in wikpedia it mentions the holy gif as forming a spiral, at first i couldnt see how it forms a spiral but then i found this
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Of course like all mythological themes, the hero’s journey home is a psychological experience as well. The hero sets out into the unknown (the unconscious) and soon comes face-to-face with his or her monster (the shadow, or negative animus/anima, or negative ego, or a particular crippling complex, etc.). The hero kills or outwits the monster (takes away its power by integrating it into consciousness) and returns home (reclaiming – consciously – his or her Self, for all that it is).
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